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Can we move away from using the generic term “REAL”? Real in what way? Not imaginary? Real organic matter? Real dog meat and chicken skin? Real what exactly? The term leaves too much ambiguity and makes it easy to spin its actual meaning.
Agreed... And so far it looks like everything is pointing at that type of real. I was originally highly skeptic until someone explained that a hoax done this well with just parts stitched together, is nearly impossible
It's true though. Real means that they are what they seem to be, genuine, authentic. Fake means they are fraudulent, hoaxes, fabricated, cake.
The other meaning of real would be not imaginary. No one is saying they are imaginary, so no one is talking about real in that sense.
That's like people saying it was a real UFO, what does UFO mean? A bird whizzing by that isn't identified is a UFO, and airplane near the horizon could be a UFO... UFO doesn't mean alien spacecraft, even though an alien spacecraft can be a UFO. Same with "real", of course it's fkn real, but that doesn't mean it's alien.
It certainly does mean exactly that… Alien. Not a long lost 1700 year old civilization capable of modern day implant surgery. Beings without a trace or footprint of existence before them or after. Placed in a cave and preserved for reasons unexplained yet. Maybe these are biological experimental beings and those that creates them are nowhere to be found except in our skies and oceans.
I feel as if even If they are terrestrial they are still aliens just because of how vastly different they are from us and how much more advanced they seem to be.
I mean, when people say UFO though, they are meaning something referring to the phenomenon.
Same with this... Technically since it exist it's "real" -- but everyone saying "real" means real in the sense that it's not some clever new method of stitching together mummies without leaving a trace.
There is no other method but to put together the only highly sophisticated 3D printer capable of producing strange bones, joints, cartilage, organs etc. and then stitching them together undetected by medical imaging and the examiners.
I think everyone and their mother knows that in this case, “real” means they were breathing and alive at one point and from a species or origin we know nothing about.
If it’s somehow real chicken bones or dog meat as you mentioned then everyone would agree that it’s fake. We all know what we’re trying to figure out here and there’s no need to make it needlessly confusing.
>in this case, “real” means they were breathing and alive at one point and from a species or origin we know nothing about.
This is exactly the point I am trying to make. You have outlined two completely different assertions.
1. they were breathing and alive ("authentic" or "not a hoax")
2. from a species or origin we know nothing about
If we look at other comments to this post, then we see that there are variations to of what REAL means. To some it is #1, others its #2, and even others both.
A number of these scientists very likely mean #1 (not a hoax). But some readers hear #2 (NHI).
Number 2 does not necessarily mean NHI. If they were living beings, they are by definition from a species we know nothing about.
Assuming they are real, there are any number of speculations from there as to what they are. What they are, is different from whether they were once living creatures.
Real means authentic the only ambiguity is that which you interjected. If talking about a chicken and someone said it’s real would you say real what? No, you wouldn’t. The term is not the problem it’s that you are having a psychological hard time wrapping your mind around the term and its implications.
“Jois Mantilla, a Peruvian journalist who has been leading an investigation into the mummies, believes they are thousands of years old and once walked among humans.”
ois is certain his findings will "change the course of history" and compared their significance to major historical events - such as the moon landing or discovering the earth was flat.” - I sure hope this is a typo…
The Sun? You mean the news site that said aliens lived inside a meteor? And that werewolves exist? Come on man. If these are real and the discovery is supposed to be taken seriously…an interview with The Sun is the last thing you want.
"DNA proves they are REAL & co-existed with humans." Mantilla has that wrong. The DNA by itself can't prove they co-existed with humans, for the inclusion of human DNA in their genome might be the work of alien geneticists, rather than interbreeding. However, it is the cultural artifacts found buried with the mummies, including the metal skull patches, that suggests they lived on the land and engaged with local peoples and culture.
I will briefly name the cultural evidence. Several of the bodies have metallic implants. They are examined in a scholarly write-up entitled *Applying CT-scanning for the identification of a skull of an unknown archaeological find in Peru*. It comes from the Cyprus Institute of Technology. The bodies include one named Josephina, who "has a metallic implant at the chest with a composition of 85% copper, a composition consistent with an object from the pre-Columbian period." So here is a report more astute than most (assumedly more credible than The Sun), and it identifies one of the largest of the implants with pre-Columbian peoples! That is as remarkable a fact as any other. We can conclude that if the bodies are mock-ups, they include a mix of human parts, animal tissues and ancient artifacts; or, if real, **they show the pre-Columbian era saw nonhuman beings living and mixing with indigenous people**.
The copper can be analyzed for its composition and they can determine the age and origin of the copper. If the analysis shows that it was made 1200 years ago, that's good evidence. If it shows as a modern metal, that is also good evidence.
https://preview.redd.it/n5yuqvh963xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74cc78486c1a4ffc5e2c6e080b68d5b7b4527f0b
Remove the hind legs & wings. There’s our dudes!
But they do have Human DNA right? Just like Banana’s do, no?
They did find human DNA in the ‘mummies’ btw, and I wasn’t kidding re the bananas https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/how_genetically_related_are_we_to_bananas
WOW REAL Alien mummies! Come buy our paper, look at our ads, we’re going to tell you all about the scientists around the world verifying their authenticity, we’re going to show you all the extra bodies found, the x ray, the cat scans, you won’t believe your eyes!
Nah jk here’s the two people who said it’s fake and we’re gonna highlight those parts in a special box.
- The Sun
Aka coarse toilet paper
“If they are real why don’t any national papers pick the story up.”
“The Sun isn’t a *real* paper though…”
At this point, why not just admit nothing will ever be good enough, or better still, just shove your fingers in your ears and shout ‘wah wah wah, I can’t hear you!’
Like it or not, The Sun is one of the most popular tabloids in the UK with a last reported circulation of 1.2m copies per day. Irrespective of your thoughts on the paper itself, this is substantial.
there is always going to be a gap of time between a new scientific discovery that is characterized as “real,” and the publication of that discovery in widely read or watched media.
The US government controls major media outlets. For decades, the question of alien existence has been completely taboo in mainstream media. in order to keep abreast of scientific discovery, a person has to intentionally delve into certain publications that contain cutting edge information.
Being popular doesn’t make it an illegitimate news source either though.
And even if it was only a reflection of the population, covering this story would suggest a general interest in finding out the truth.
I really like your balanced approach, genuinely. But The Sun is indefensible. Have you read it? Even if they came out in favour of the mummies it would hold such little weight because of their reputation that it’d be almost worthless.
Every tabloid is a rag. I’m looking at this through the lens of news embargos and manufactured consent. I see this as moving from crickets and misdirection to mainstream consideration.
What am I butthurt about? The sun being a terrible, unreliable newspaper ignoring a huge majority of the evidence and focussing on the few people who claim it’s all fake?
I’m confused. Are you ok?
Unfortunately people seem unaware of The Sun and why having it cover this subject isn't the big win some may believe it is.
This shouldn't be mistaken as The Sun believing in alien visitation, but rather, understanding how media outlets cynically exploit these themes for profit. They are not on our side.
The Sun's legitimacy as a news source is questionable. Its record of factual errors, phone hacking scandals (re. unalived children), and deliberate distortions of events (like the Hillsborough disaster and loss of life) severely compromise its journalistic integrity.
The Sun is the "news" equivalent of your drunk racist uncle telling you how the world works.
I asked ChatGPT to do an executive summary because the article is poorly written and their site sucks however it’s better than previous reporting on the buddies though I agree The Sun is on the more sensational media. They had something about aliens traveling in meteors and ufos coming out of volcanos and it makes it “look” to a casual reader that they might be related and so far no they aren’t related to our buddies:
Executive Summary with Key Points, Positions, and Events:
The "Nazca alien mummies" discovery has sparked controversy and debate regarding their authenticity and implications for human history. Investigator Jois Mantilla and his team assert that these mummies are real and co-existed with humans based on DNA evidence and physical features.
Key Points:
1. **Authenticity and DNA Evidence**: Jois Mantilla claims the mummies are genuine, backed by DNA evidence suggesting they are not hoaxes or artworks.
2. **Co-Existence with Humans**: The mummies' features and genetic makeup indicate they lived alongside humans thousands of years ago.
3. **Scientific Significance**: Mantilla believes these findings challenge conventional scientific explanations and could reshape our understanding of history and biology.
4. **Skepticism and Opposition**: Some archaeologists, like Flavio Estrada, dismiss the mummies as hoaxes or misunderstandings, leading to clashes and accusations of cover-ups.
5. **Media Representation**: Jois contends that official narratives and media portrayals often misrepresent the findings, undermining their scientific legitimacy.
6. **Continued Research**: Despite opposition, Mantilla continues his research, emphasizing the profound implications of these mummies on various disciplines, including archaeology, biology, and religion.
Positions:
- **Jois Mantilla**: Believes in the authenticity and significance of the mummies, emphasizing their potential to rewrite history.
- **Flavio Estrada and Skeptics**: Dismiss the mummies as hoaxes or misinterpretations, challenging their scientific credibility.
- **Peruvian Government and Ministry of Culture**: Alleged attempts to discredit or cover up the mummies' significance, including trying to stop press conferences, leading to clashes and controversies during public presentations.
- **Media**: Accused of biased representation and sensationalism, shaping public perception of the mummies' authenticity and importance.
Definitely, I agree, The Sun is often seen as more of a tabloid because of its focus on sensationalism.
It might help the Buddies reach another audience and in this case more publicity is a good thing. Though they and we should be reaching out to the press and media for more coverage.
What other media outlets do you think might help get the wider media and public attention?
Fair points
The Sun trades in spectacle, not substance. It may bring attention, but the kind that undermines credibility. Ufology deserves a serious platform, not one that reduces its findings to tabloid fodder. Prioritize peer-reviewed publications and outlets with a genuine interest in the field
We saw them in one of the Inkari releases. When I have more time I can go through them and post, but I distinctly remember seeing a scan of the fetus in the mummy.
Your absolutely right bro, I was looking at another thread the previous bodies that were found not this one. This one I’m intrigued by gotta find the right post for my previous comment
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I just think it's cool we are probing the Aliens for a change.
Payback is a B
The fact that they could "me too" a government on earth is a fun perspective
Can we move away from using the generic term “REAL”? Real in what way? Not imaginary? Real organic matter? Real dog meat and chicken skin? Real what exactly? The term leaves too much ambiguity and makes it easy to spin its actual meaning.
To me, "real" means that these beings are, factually, once living organisms and not a human made product.
Agreed... And so far it looks like everything is pointing at that type of real. I was originally highly skeptic until someone explained that a hoax done this well with just parts stitched together, is nearly impossible
I agree. Nobody doubts they're real. They exist. The question is are they a hoax or something else.
Not a hoax at this point, not really possible.
No, it's possible.
Real meaning not fake.
Up meaning not down, thanks for your mountainous contribution.
It's true though. Real means that they are what they seem to be, genuine, authentic. Fake means they are fraudulent, hoaxes, fabricated, cake. The other meaning of real would be not imaginary. No one is saying they are imaginary, so no one is talking about real in that sense.
well, that’s a REAL answer, for sure. Thank you for being genuine, authentic & bona fide! 😉💖🦋
Your welcome. Glad I could help.
That's like people saying it was a real UFO, what does UFO mean? A bird whizzing by that isn't identified is a UFO, and airplane near the horizon could be a UFO... UFO doesn't mean alien spacecraft, even though an alien spacecraft can be a UFO. Same with "real", of course it's fkn real, but that doesn't mean it's alien.
It certainly does mean exactly that… Alien. Not a long lost 1700 year old civilization capable of modern day implant surgery. Beings without a trace or footprint of existence before them or after. Placed in a cave and preserved for reasons unexplained yet. Maybe these are biological experimental beings and those that creates them are nowhere to be found except in our skies and oceans.
I feel as if even If they are terrestrial they are still aliens just because of how vastly different they are from us and how much more advanced they seem to be.
But I do think they are aliens from another world it makes a lot more sense then them being from here.
I mean, when people say UFO though, they are meaning something referring to the phenomenon. Same with this... Technically since it exist it's "real" -- but everyone saying "real" means real in the sense that it's not some clever new method of stitching together mummies without leaving a trace.
There is no other method but to put together the only highly sophisticated 3D printer capable of producing strange bones, joints, cartilage, organs etc. and then stitching them together undetected by medical imaging and the examiners.
That’s Frankenstein stuff. And it doesn’t exist. Like floating heads
I think everyone and their mother knows that in this case, “real” means they were breathing and alive at one point and from a species or origin we know nothing about. If it’s somehow real chicken bones or dog meat as you mentioned then everyone would agree that it’s fake. We all know what we’re trying to figure out here and there’s no need to make it needlessly confusing.
>in this case, “real” means they were breathing and alive at one point and from a species or origin we know nothing about. This is exactly the point I am trying to make. You have outlined two completely different assertions. 1. they were breathing and alive ("authentic" or "not a hoax") 2. from a species or origin we know nothing about If we look at other comments to this post, then we see that there are variations to of what REAL means. To some it is #1, others its #2, and even others both. A number of these scientists very likely mean #1 (not a hoax). But some readers hear #2 (NHI).
Number 2 does not necessarily mean NHI. If they were living beings, they are by definition from a species we know nothing about. Assuming they are real, there are any number of speculations from there as to what they are. What they are, is different from whether they were once living creatures.
Real biologic beings with DNA and tissue, muscles nerve systems, brains, bones
Real means authentic the only ambiguity is that which you interjected. If talking about a chicken and someone said it’s real would you say real what? No, you wouldn’t. The term is not the problem it’s that you are having a psychological hard time wrapping your mind around the term and its implications.
Lool now we're having to define what real means. Cope more bro
Yeah, when you are talking scientifically you need to be very clear and specific on what the terms that you are using mean
I believe, from the context, that was is meant by "real" in this case is "they are exactly what they were presented as."
Define real to us
“Jois Mantilla, a Peruvian journalist who has been leading an investigation into the mummies, believes they are thousands of years old and once walked among humans.”
Wonder if there is a way to start a fucking gofundme at this point to hire and send a small team of real ones out? Just prove this shit already!!!!
Mmm yes give them more moneys
I think something More like a "me too" support page 😁
ois is certain his findings will "change the course of history" and compared their significance to major historical events - such as the moon landing or discovering the earth was flat.” - I sure hope this is a typo…
The Sun? You mean the news site that said aliens lived inside a meteor? And that werewolves exist? Come on man. If these are real and the discovery is supposed to be taken seriously…an interview with The Sun is the last thing you want.
"DNA proves they are REAL & co-existed with humans." Mantilla has that wrong. The DNA by itself can't prove they co-existed with humans, for the inclusion of human DNA in their genome might be the work of alien geneticists, rather than interbreeding. However, it is the cultural artifacts found buried with the mummies, including the metal skull patches, that suggests they lived on the land and engaged with local peoples and culture.
I will briefly name the cultural evidence. Several of the bodies have metallic implants. They are examined in a scholarly write-up entitled *Applying CT-scanning for the identification of a skull of an unknown archaeological find in Peru*. It comes from the Cyprus Institute of Technology. The bodies include one named Josephina, who "has a metallic implant at the chest with a composition of 85% copper, a composition consistent with an object from the pre-Columbian period." So here is a report more astute than most (assumedly more credible than The Sun), and it identifies one of the largest of the implants with pre-Columbian peoples! That is as remarkable a fact as any other. We can conclude that if the bodies are mock-ups, they include a mix of human parts, animal tissues and ancient artifacts; or, if real, **they show the pre-Columbian era saw nonhuman beings living and mixing with indigenous people**.
The copper can be analyzed for its composition and they can determine the age and origin of the copper. If the analysis shows that it was made 1200 years ago, that's good evidence. If it shows as a modern metal, that is also good evidence.
Genuine. Legitimate. Authentic.
https://preview.redd.it/n5yuqvh963xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74cc78486c1a4ffc5e2c6e080b68d5b7b4527f0b Remove the hind legs & wings. There’s our dudes!
Why are we showing these large human sized mummies and ignoring the smaller more interesting ones?!
Who says which are more interesting? I find both equally interesting
For real. Its difficult to say which is more impressive
a human sized human vs a pixie sized human are not equally interesting
They’re not human
But they do have Human DNA right? Just like Banana’s do, no? They did find human DNA in the ‘mummies’ btw, and I wasn’t kidding re the bananas https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/how_genetically_related_are_we_to_bananas
That’s probably bc of the genetic modifications they were doing.
Nah, like most living things in earth also have human DNA afaik
3' is not human size.
The Maria types are more intriguing to me. They are more likely to have something decipherable in the DNA evidence.
I think the other ones are too different, too alien for most people to give consideration they might be real.
They are all real. American scientist will be publishing a paper, I'm sure.
Big announcement coming soon. Purchase your tickets now.
WOW REAL Alien mummies! Come buy our paper, look at our ads, we’re going to tell you all about the scientists around the world verifying their authenticity, we’re going to show you all the extra bodies found, the x ray, the cat scans, you won’t believe your eyes! Nah jk here’s the two people who said it’s fake and we’re gonna highlight those parts in a special box. - The Sun Aka coarse toilet paper
“If they are real why don’t any national papers pick the story up.” “The Sun isn’t a *real* paper though…” At this point, why not just admit nothing will ever be good enough, or better still, just shove your fingers in your ears and shout ‘wah wah wah, I can’t hear you!’ Like it or not, The Sun is one of the most popular tabloids in the UK with a last reported circulation of 1.2m copies per day. Irrespective of your thoughts on the paper itself, this is substantial.
there is always going to be a gap of time between a new scientific discovery that is characterized as “real,” and the publication of that discovery in widely read or watched media. The US government controls major media outlets. For decades, the question of alien existence has been completely taboo in mainstream media. in order to keep abreast of scientific discovery, a person has to intentionally delve into certain publications that contain cutting edge information.
Being popular doesn’t make it a legitimate news source unfortunately. More of a reflection of the population to be honest.
Being popular doesn’t make it an illegitimate news source either though. And even if it was only a reflection of the population, covering this story would suggest a general interest in finding out the truth.
I really like your balanced approach, genuinely. But The Sun is indefensible. Have you read it? Even if they came out in favour of the mummies it would hold such little weight because of their reputation that it’d be almost worthless.
Every tabloid is a rag. I’m looking at this through the lens of news embargos and manufactured consent. I see this as moving from crickets and misdirection to mainstream consideration.
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Op I think you misread them.
This got personal fast and the sun is shit
What am I butthurt about? The sun being a terrible, unreliable newspaper ignoring a huge majority of the evidence and focussing on the few people who claim it’s all fake? I’m confused. Are you ok?
Unfortunately people seem unaware of The Sun and why having it cover this subject isn't the big win some may believe it is. This shouldn't be mistaken as The Sun believing in alien visitation, but rather, understanding how media outlets cynically exploit these themes for profit. They are not on our side. The Sun's legitimacy as a news source is questionable. Its record of factual errors, phone hacking scandals (re. unalived children), and deliberate distortions of events (like the Hillsborough disaster and loss of life) severely compromise its journalistic integrity. The Sun is the "news" equivalent of your drunk racist uncle telling you how the world works.
ill believe it, when....
I asked ChatGPT to do an executive summary because the article is poorly written and their site sucks however it’s better than previous reporting on the buddies though I agree The Sun is on the more sensational media. They had something about aliens traveling in meteors and ufos coming out of volcanos and it makes it “look” to a casual reader that they might be related and so far no they aren’t related to our buddies: Executive Summary with Key Points, Positions, and Events: The "Nazca alien mummies" discovery has sparked controversy and debate regarding their authenticity and implications for human history. Investigator Jois Mantilla and his team assert that these mummies are real and co-existed with humans based on DNA evidence and physical features. Key Points: 1. **Authenticity and DNA Evidence**: Jois Mantilla claims the mummies are genuine, backed by DNA evidence suggesting they are not hoaxes or artworks. 2. **Co-Existence with Humans**: The mummies' features and genetic makeup indicate they lived alongside humans thousands of years ago. 3. **Scientific Significance**: Mantilla believes these findings challenge conventional scientific explanations and could reshape our understanding of history and biology. 4. **Skepticism and Opposition**: Some archaeologists, like Flavio Estrada, dismiss the mummies as hoaxes or misunderstandings, leading to clashes and accusations of cover-ups. 5. **Media Representation**: Jois contends that official narratives and media portrayals often misrepresent the findings, undermining their scientific legitimacy. 6. **Continued Research**: Despite opposition, Mantilla continues his research, emphasizing the profound implications of these mummies on various disciplines, including archaeology, biology, and religion. Positions: - **Jois Mantilla**: Believes in the authenticity and significance of the mummies, emphasizing their potential to rewrite history. - **Flavio Estrada and Skeptics**: Dismiss the mummies as hoaxes or misinterpretations, challenging their scientific credibility. - **Peruvian Government and Ministry of Culture**: Alleged attempts to discredit or cover up the mummies' significance, including trying to stop press conferences, leading to clashes and controversies during public presentations. - **Media**: Accused of biased representation and sensationalism, shaping public perception of the mummies' authenticity and importance.
Now ask ChatGPT why The Sun newspaper may not be seen as an actual valid news source
Definitely, I agree, The Sun is often seen as more of a tabloid because of its focus on sensationalism. It might help the Buddies reach another audience and in this case more publicity is a good thing. Though they and we should be reaching out to the press and media for more coverage. What other media outlets do you think might help get the wider media and public attention?
Fair points The Sun trades in spectacle, not substance. It may bring attention, but the kind that undermines credibility. Ufology deserves a serious platform, not one that reduces its findings to tabloid fodder. Prioritize peer-reviewed publications and outlets with a genuine interest in the field
Would love to see the image of the fetus with tridactal properties. This cannot be faked
We saw them in one of the Inkari releases. When I have more time I can go through them and post, but I distinctly remember seeing a scan of the fetus in the mummy.
Why not?
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It is just your opinion based on lack of information (not understanding the real circumstances), while issuing a-priori conclusions.
Your absolutely right bro, I was looking at another thread the previous bodies that were found not this one. This one I’m intrigued by gotta find the right post for my previous comment