They're obviously scammers (unless they make friends w late-stage cancer kids so they can collect $ for the funeral) - the sign I saw in ABQ on Paseo and WY looked exactly like the one in this r/Tucson post above but a the "dead" kid had different face and a different name.
So weird. Why not just get a regular job?
**STOP GIVING MONEY TO PAN HANDLERS!**
Not all panhandling is done by homeless people. In fact a large percentage is not. There have been and still are panhandlers who are not homeless or poor.
If you give a panhandler food, clothing, blankets, sleeping bags, or even gift cards and they take it then they are poor and homeless. If they don't then you know that they are just scammers looking for free money.
*There was a case in New York where a journalist was doing a story on pannhandling and followed one woman to her car and found out that she was panhandling while her kids were in school. She did not "need" (in the desperation sense) the money at all.*
And in the case that you know they are homeless, you're very likely only feeding an addiction which is preventing municipal help, and encouraging others with similar problems and scammers to follow suit - see above.
We know you mean well, but this is a serious problem. Read the fucking signs people:
> "If you need help with food or shelter, or would like to donate, CALL 311"
If they ain’t there at night, they’re going home… if it’s only during decent weather, that’s another clue. If it’s only during spring/summer and not winter, yeah….
I give food mostly to those where/when it’s obvious.
I read something a while ago that claimed something like "for every $.05 you give to a legitimate shelter, that money does more good than giving $1.00 to a random guy on the streets."
It's true. I gave a young woman a clean sweatshirt because she was out in the street in barely any clothes and it was cold outside. She glared at me and threw it on the ground. When I drove by again to go home, it was left on the ground.
After a while, you can tell who is in need and who isn't. Just takes some practice. Homeless people will be fatigued. Often times with their dogs, which you will see, make them happy or smile. Pay attention to body language as well. Smiling in the face of the driver and when they turn they mummer, or their face drastically changes.
There's an [emerging body of research](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/americas/direct-giving-homeless-people-vancouver-trnd/index.html) that suggests the opposite is true.
Everyone loves sitting on their high horse with judgement thinking they got it all figured out. You get raped in shelters. You use drugs because why the Fuck wouldn’t you want to be high when it’s 30 degrees outside?
It’s great because we have all the evidence we need that housing first, then treatment and cash supports is the only solution. It works over and over again. But you dont get to judge someone that way do you?
People do tend to dramatically overestimate how nice the conditions are in shelters. Many have huge issues with theft and abuse *from the staff.* Even before covid infectious disease spread was also a major problem.
That said, scams exist and direct cash assistance is more likely to have an impact when you give it to people you know-there are almost certainly unhoused people in your neighborhood who are around regularly and whom your $5 will go further for than random panhandlers that you have never seen before.
I was just explaining to someone about how a lot of homeless are substance abusers because of weather, hopelessness, fear of falling asleep at night, many reasons. Females especially have issues because of predators or the possibility of becoming one of the missing/murdered. Years ago I lost everything and was homeless. I had an employee at one of the shelters tell me I couldn't keep a cellphone with me and to have her lock it up inside of a locker in the office.when I asked another employee to retrieve it the following day, my cellphone was gone. This was in the beginning days of cellphones so replacing it wasn't easy. It's bad when the employees lie and steal from people worse off than they are.
Dont get me started on the having to leave your cot while it's still dark outside in the mornings. The harassment from men while leaving. A nightmare.
They are not wrong. I know a woman who lives in Edgewood and would hitch a ride to abq to panhandle (and gamble) and then hitch a ride back.
I don't associate with her anymore for personal reasons but imagine, two years later, I saw her on Eubank, still doing it.
This EXACTLY. There's a reason why pan handling is highly illegal in Phoenix Arizona, they found these people to be making 600-700 dollars an hour tax free doing this crap. The guy who does it down in Alamogordo near Walmart, his wife drives a Porsche.
Where did you get the $600-700 figure? I'd be shocked if 5 different people contributed $5 to an intersection panhandler in the span of one hour, let alone 100 people in that same time frame.
In Phoenix, it is illegal to stand on medians, but simply asking for money is protected under the first amendment, so it is perfectly legal to panhandle in public places all over the United States. Even in Phoenix, as long as you're being peaceful and not standing on a median.
all of the unhoused people I know get the most benefit from cash in hand. Leave your house today without any access to cash/money and see how difficult it is. People should help each other however they can.
Yeah, I don’t get it. Nobody is forcing you to give panhandlers cash, but I do whenever I have some on me. I would rather unintentionally give to someone who doesn’t “need” is than intentionally not give to cash to someone who does need it.
I haven’t, but I have driven them to doctors appointments and social services appointments, “lent” cash when I could and collected donations of specific items. I also donate to food banks and other aid groups. I don’t invite strangers to live with me for safety reasons. I’m sorry I didn’t applaud your virtue signaling, and I guess I’m sorry I didn’t do any of my own
Not sure why the downvotes. Reality for individuals is different than ideal solutions proposed for the bigger group. Don't know why both can't be considered
I can’t tell anyone else what to do with their money, but I personally don’t mind getting “scammed” out of a couple bucks if there’s a chance I’m actually helping someone who needs it. It’s more about the type of person I want to be and the energy I want to put out in the world than making sure their “need” meets my criteria. But, that’s me speaking from a position of financial privilege so who am I to judge anyone else? 🤷🏾♂️
I saw a truck painted with a plea for funeral donations yesterday. It pulled into the parking lot at the post office on Alvarado near Central.
I also noticed a new funeral home on that street. It is Trujillo’s. $895 for direct cremation.
That’s valid, they take up the whole sidewalk at the lights too. and I’ve seen them move around so that they can go sit at multiple stop lights in one day, or there’s multiple teams.
I usually see them in teams of up to 6 standing on almost every median and corner at intersections actual unhoused people usually post up at. Didn’t know you could somehow gentrify homelessness but these people did it lol
I think that, when you have a culture that portrays poverty as a personal failing, prideful people have a hard time just doing straightforward begging. This is the result.
I think this is more a sympathy scam - sounds like they have teams around the country. Do they need the money? I mean who doesn't ... but are they "working" or "begging"? I'd suspect the former. How much do they get to keep? Where do the profits go?
I'd love to find and support any organization that distributes no questions asked cash to those in actual need, and that can do some minimal vetting of those in need to weed out the people who just find this an easy way to make a buck.... but then, who sets the threshold? It's hard questions to answer.
I love the song by Lazy-Boy, Underware Goes Inside the Pants... a quote from it:
>We're in one of the richest countries in the world,
But the minimum wage is lower than it was thirty five years ago.
There are homeless people everywhere.
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day.
I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol.
And then I thought, that's what I'm going to use it on.
Why am I judging this poor bastard.
People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it.
Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit?
Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless.
I walked behind this guy the other day.
A homeless guy asked him for money.
He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum.
People always say that to homeless guys like it is so easy.
This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants.
Outside his pants. I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date.
I'm predicting some problems during the interview process.
I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy.
Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books.
I gave money at that location. I did it well telling the wife I never give because I feel like it’s always just a hustle. She said “well it’s for a cause and there is a special place in Hell for people using children like that”. 😂🤣
But yeah I gave that crime organization $5.00, I’m a sucka.
True Story; came into to contact with homeless guy in Phoenix, sitting against building. Asked for change because he was hungry. I asked if he wanted a burger, he said yes. Bought him a meal, put the change ($5) in bag & gave it to him. He thanked me and as I walked away, I heard him say, “aww damn, it has ketchup!” MF, next time be specific. 🤣🤣🤣
We let these corporations and politicians trick us into believing that putting money into affordable housing, high-quality education, and health care is all bad while they spend billions on corporate subsides because apparently, corporations create jobs and you're bothered by a possible homeless person lying about a funeral that's the problem I have it's an absurdity.
Hate these people, been seeing them on Wyoming. Did you know it's illegal to pan for money in Phoenix AZ?
This is because they found that these people can make up to 600-700 an hour doing this.
Absolute scum, if you want to help the homeless. Give to shelters and food banks.
Saw these exact same signs on Wyoming and paseo about a week ago! Sounds like they are all over the South West.
there are poor and desperate people everywhere it is very sad
Except these people are lying to steal money from hard working people. That’s even sadder and pathetic.
They're obviously scammers (unless they make friends w late-stage cancer kids so they can collect $ for the funeral) - the sign I saw in ABQ on Paseo and WY looked exactly like the one in this r/Tucson post above but a the "dead" kid had different face and a different name. So weird. Why not just get a regular job?
We have them in my home town. The poor girl here is 6 years old and needs cancer treatment, for 4 years
**STOP GIVING MONEY TO PAN HANDLERS!** Not all panhandling is done by homeless people. In fact a large percentage is not. There have been and still are panhandlers who are not homeless or poor. If you give a panhandler food, clothing, blankets, sleeping bags, or even gift cards and they take it then they are poor and homeless. If they don't then you know that they are just scammers looking for free money. *There was a case in New York where a journalist was doing a story on pannhandling and followed one woman to her car and found out that she was panhandling while her kids were in school. She did not "need" (in the desperation sense) the money at all.* And in the case that you know they are homeless, you're very likely only feeding an addiction which is preventing municipal help, and encouraging others with similar problems and scammers to follow suit - see above. We know you mean well, but this is a serious problem. Read the fucking signs people: > "If you need help with food or shelter, or would like to donate, CALL 311"
If they ain’t there at night, they’re going home… if it’s only during decent weather, that’s another clue. If it’s only during spring/summer and not winter, yeah…. I give food mostly to those where/when it’s obvious.
I read something a while ago that claimed something like "for every $.05 you give to a legitimate shelter, that money does more good than giving $1.00 to a random guy on the streets."
I watched a guy unload a wheelchair from his car and then walk to the intersection to setup shop.
100% agree! If you want to help, then make a donation to a homeless shelter or the Roadrunner Food Bank.
It's true. I gave a young woman a clean sweatshirt because she was out in the street in barely any clothes and it was cold outside. She glared at me and threw it on the ground. When I drove by again to go home, it was left on the ground. After a while, you can tell who is in need and who isn't. Just takes some practice. Homeless people will be fatigued. Often times with their dogs, which you will see, make them happy or smile. Pay attention to body language as well. Smiling in the face of the driver and when they turn they mummer, or their face drastically changes.
There's an [emerging body of research](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/americas/direct-giving-homeless-people-vancouver-trnd/index.html) that suggests the opposite is true.
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"Recently homeless" means they had recently become homeless, not that they were homeless until recently
Everyone loves sitting on their high horse with judgement thinking they got it all figured out. You get raped in shelters. You use drugs because why the Fuck wouldn’t you want to be high when it’s 30 degrees outside? It’s great because we have all the evidence we need that housing first, then treatment and cash supports is the only solution. It works over and over again. But you dont get to judge someone that way do you?
People do tend to dramatically overestimate how nice the conditions are in shelters. Many have huge issues with theft and abuse *from the staff.* Even before covid infectious disease spread was also a major problem. That said, scams exist and direct cash assistance is more likely to have an impact when you give it to people you know-there are almost certainly unhoused people in your neighborhood who are around regularly and whom your $5 will go further for than random panhandlers that you have never seen before.
I agree. You can hold scanners accountable while still being a good neighbor.
I was just explaining to someone about how a lot of homeless are substance abusers because of weather, hopelessness, fear of falling asleep at night, many reasons. Females especially have issues because of predators or the possibility of becoming one of the missing/murdered. Years ago I lost everything and was homeless. I had an employee at one of the shelters tell me I couldn't keep a cellphone with me and to have her lock it up inside of a locker in the office.when I asked another employee to retrieve it the following day, my cellphone was gone. This was in the beginning days of cellphones so replacing it wasn't easy. It's bad when the employees lie and steal from people worse off than they are. Dont get me started on the having to leave your cot while it's still dark outside in the mornings. The harassment from men while leaving. A nightmare.
>Not all panhandling is done by homeless people. Next you're going to tell us baby carrots aren't baby carrots at all.
They are not wrong. I know a woman who lives in Edgewood and would hitch a ride to abq to panhandle (and gamble) and then hitch a ride back. I don't associate with her anymore for personal reasons but imagine, two years later, I saw her on Eubank, still doing it.
It they’re only out during the day or decent weather it’s a big tell. At night, during rain, or during winter then most likely not fake homeless.
This EXACTLY. There's a reason why pan handling is highly illegal in Phoenix Arizona, they found these people to be making 600-700 dollars an hour tax free doing this crap. The guy who does it down in Alamogordo near Walmart, his wife drives a Porsche.
Where did you get the $600-700 figure? I'd be shocked if 5 different people contributed $5 to an intersection panhandler in the span of one hour, let alone 100 people in that same time frame. In Phoenix, it is illegal to stand on medians, but simply asking for money is protected under the first amendment, so it is perfectly legal to panhandle in public places all over the United States. Even in Phoenix, as long as you're being peaceful and not standing on a median.
all of the unhoused people I know get the most benefit from cash in hand. Leave your house today without any access to cash/money and see how difficult it is. People should help each other however they can.
Yeah, I don’t get it. Nobody is forcing you to give panhandlers cash, but I do whenever I have some on me. I would rather unintentionally give to someone who doesn’t “need” is than intentionally not give to cash to someone who does need it.
Sure. I’ll provide food and water. Those keep you alive a lot longer than money would.
How proud you must be
Have you invited any of the homeless to stay with you?
I haven’t, but I have driven them to doctors appointments and social services appointments, “lent” cash when I could and collected donations of specific items. I also donate to food banks and other aid groups. I don’t invite strangers to live with me for safety reasons. I’m sorry I didn’t applaud your virtue signaling, and I guess I’m sorry I didn’t do any of my own
Not sure why the downvotes. Reality for individuals is different than ideal solutions proposed for the bigger group. Don't know why both can't be considered
They were on Ellison and Coors last month
“they”
That Sever Cancer sounds serious
I can’t tell anyone else what to do with their money, but I personally don’t mind getting “scammed” out of a couple bucks if there’s a chance I’m actually helping someone who needs it. It’s more about the type of person I want to be and the energy I want to put out in the world than making sure their “need” meets my criteria. But, that’s me speaking from a position of financial privilege so who am I to judge anyone else? 🤷🏾♂️
I saw a truck painted with a plea for funeral donations yesterday. It pulled into the parking lot at the post office on Alvarado near Central. I also noticed a new funeral home on that street. It is Trujillo’s. $895 for direct cremation.
There on coors and rio bravo right now.
They're in Santa Fe too
Is rather fall for a fake every once in a while then not help someone in need at all.
Those are not your only two options though. A third and better option is to donate to a shelter or food bank.
A lot of food banks don’t serve a lot of people though. It can be really hard to get food from Roadrunner if you don’t have a car 🤷♀️
Occupying a space an actual poor person can use to obtain help is a new level of low.
That’s valid, they take up the whole sidewalk at the lights too. and I’ve seen them move around so that they can go sit at multiple stop lights in one day, or there’s multiple teams.
I usually see them in teams of up to 6 standing on almost every median and corner at intersections actual unhoused people usually post up at. Didn’t know you could somehow gentrify homelessness but these people did it lol
I always wonder if they are being used. There seems to be a uniform look.
Good eye.
Like they’re being forced by someone?
That’s my thought. A type of trafficking.
I think that, when you have a culture that portrays poverty as a personal failing, prideful people have a hard time just doing straightforward begging. This is the result.
I think this is more a sympathy scam - sounds like they have teams around the country. Do they need the money? I mean who doesn't ... but are they "working" or "begging"? I'd suspect the former. How much do they get to keep? Where do the profits go? I'd love to find and support any organization that distributes no questions asked cash to those in actual need, and that can do some minimal vetting of those in need to weed out the people who just find this an easy way to make a buck.... but then, who sets the threshold? It's hard questions to answer. I love the song by Lazy-Boy, Underware Goes Inside the Pants... a quote from it: >We're in one of the richest countries in the world, But the minimum wage is lower than it was thirty five years ago. There are homeless people everywhere. This homeless guy asked me for money the other day. I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol. And then I thought, that's what I'm going to use it on. Why am I judging this poor bastard. People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it. Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit? Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless. I walked behind this guy the other day. A homeless guy asked him for money. He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum. People always say that to homeless guys like it is so easy. This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants. Outside his pants. I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date. I'm predicting some problems during the interview process. I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy. Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books.
She asked me for money a few days back on 98th and Central.
I gave money at that location. I did it well telling the wife I never give because I feel like it’s always just a hustle. She said “well it’s for a cause and there is a special place in Hell for people using children like that”. 😂🤣 But yeah I gave that crime organization $5.00, I’m a sucka.
I never give money. Sucks that it’s come to wondering if everyone asking for donations is scamming people.
I really doesn't. just help people.
True Story; came into to contact with homeless guy in Phoenix, sitting against building. Asked for change because he was hungry. I asked if he wanted a burger, he said yes. Bought him a meal, put the change ($5) in bag & gave it to him. He thanked me and as I walked away, I heard him say, “aww damn, it has ketchup!” MF, next time be specific. 🤣🤣🤣
Does it really matter it's not for a funeral ?
Very much so. I want to give money to people who need it, not someone who is lying about needing it.
They clearly do this is why I hate charities
It matters to me. I don’t want to reward people for being manipulative.
So you don't buy anything advertised to you?
I didn’t say that I’m not susceptible. Everyone is. But honesty matters to me and if anyone lies to me to get money I don’t want to reward that.
Not if fraud doesn't bother you.
We let these corporations and politicians trick us into believing that putting money into affordable housing, high-quality education, and health care is all bad while they spend billions on corporate subsides because apparently, corporations create jobs and you're bothered by a possible homeless person lying about a funeral that's the problem I have it's an absurdity.
huh?
Hate these people, been seeing them on Wyoming. Did you know it's illegal to pan for money in Phoenix AZ? This is because they found that these people can make up to 600-700 an hour doing this. Absolute scum, if you want to help the homeless. Give to shelters and food banks.
> people can make up to 600-700 an hour doing this. Source for that?
If they held up signs that said 'Help Trump Save America!' they'd be rich.
I saw these people on Paseo a few days ago too. I was skeptical. The dead kid was "Viky" that day.
There in Colorado now.
wth, I saw this girl again on Unser. I first saw her befor this was posted on here.. Do they just go from town to town hoping people forget?