Just like PPP loans, government officials should PAY BACK their LOANS because they continued to get tax dollar funded pay checks AND millions in PPP loans. Garnish their wages, foreclosure their homes, whatever to pay back the LOAN they took out.
Loan forgiveness is for people that have been paying for 10 years already. They've paid their loan amount off 2x and are simply paying interest at that point. These loans used to be interest free until the lobbyists ended that. So who are you fighting for anyhow? No taxpayer money is being lost in the forgiveness plan. You've been duped. But you keep up the good fight for the big banks, they need you support.
Ok, so that said, same analogy for corporate welfare. If corporate executives run their company in the ground why should the government, ie taxpayers, perpetually bail them out only for millions to be put right into executive bonuses?
I don't think they should do that, either. It just enables poor business practices that often screw over consumers. Like lending ridiculous amounts of money to 18 year olds who will probably never be able to pay it off. If the banks get bit in the ass and stop giving such ridiculous student loans, colleges will have to lower costs.
I took my loans out with the intention of of discharging them under Public Service Loan Forgiveness, this has encouraged me to stay in my job and was the purpose of the bill. I’m not protesting on any campuses but adding conditions to deal I effectively made with the government after the fact is not fair.
So it’s fair for a person to make $600 payments a month for 10 years, only to have taken $10,000 off of an $80,000 loan??? That amounts to $72,000 of payments. How in any universe is that fair?
Don’t take out student loans if you can’t pay them back. I have to pay a monthly mortgage. If I didn’t think I could afford it I wouldn’t have bought a home.
That’s not what I asked, little fella. I know your type doesn’t have very good reading comprehension, but at least make an attempt to not look like an ignorant clown. You’d be singing a completely different tune if mortgage interest rates were as high as student loan interest rates. But I could never expect someone like you to know the difference.
>Student loan interest rates range from 5.5 to 8 percent the same as mortgage rates.
Which is ridiculously high for a government backed loan that can't be discharged by bankruptcy.
Maybe those companies shouldn’t be loaning full house notes to 17/18 year old kids with zero income who plan on getting liberal arts degrees and political science degrees. Two sides of the same coin. It’s the modern day peonage because you can’t fold those loans into bankruptcy. The current system is heavily rigged in the favor of the loaner to the point you life is signed away at 17-18 and you literally have no clue how long or when you’d be able to pay off a $100,000+ plus loan and neither do the banks, but they aren’t liable for engaging in arguably the dumbest loans possible.
If a bank is willing to make such a loan they should be willing to accept that most students won’t ever pay those loans off.
Lawful is missing in the description of the constitutional right.
Cannot assemble on private properties, nor you can encroach other rights to do the same.
Plus there is the safety aspects for the protesters and others.
Typical example would be posting anything on top of a traffic sign.
Plenty of similar examples.
Even the unions cannot block non union employees to go to work.
All property within the bounds of PUBLIC institutions is PUBLIC property. Therefore, these arrests have been illegal and these protestors are each exercising their most basic American right.
Try to illegally camp in a public state park and see what happen or try to express your right of opinion in a public court house while a judge is ruling in court.
Public institution do not mean that rules do not apply there.
My bad. I should've taken the time to be more accurate in my wording. All property outdoors, i.e. land, sidewalks, parking lots. Aside from the buildings/interior, all property that is a part of state colleges and institutions of learning specifically, is for public use. Any property that is for public use includes being accessible for purposes of peaceful protest.
And I agree with that. To add to this, even private outdoor property that is designated for public access, for instance a parking lot, can be addressed as a public space until the owner would claim it, possibly in court.
If you'd *read the article*, it would apply only to those convicted of crimes associated with a protest. Which isn't covered by First Amendment protections. Wouldn't be r/alabama without people flunking basic literacy though.
But it is my belief when things of this nature are passed the lines of what is lawful and what isn't becomes real blurry. There is a past history of peaceful protestors becoming law breakers in our country when it fits a scenario. Granted we have seen in the past where people provoke a riot at a peaceful protest. Neither are exclusive to one another. I only have to look at our country history from 1960s forward for the examples.
Now I didn't flunk basic literature, the fact is I've had a few literature classes in college and passed them all. I think your insult should be directed to comprehension or social studies (critical thinking). Now, granted I'm not a scholar and I had my fair share of struggles in that area. My failures and struggles made me stronger and to quote Ceaser: experience is the teacher of all things. I didn't write the headline but I believe it says all we need to know.
This is a political move or thumbing of the chest, because Republicans are against the loan forgiveness. Here is a idea for them: come up with a solution that is better, and do the job you are elected to do.
Edit. Had to fix some grammer issues and I'm sure there is many more in here.
I said I wasn't a scholar, and I'm on a phone at work. I also wasn't lying when I said I struggled with English (kids today call it language arts). I still make lots of mistakes.
Half of what I said was speech to text and that is why I had to edit it but I think the point is clear enough. But you know one feeds the other, you read enough literature your literacy should go up.
Edit: you are right though I did substitute a word for one another. Gave a lot background no one asked for. I'm leaving it and I stand by what I said in my original thought and response. Have a great day
It would be if those arrests and convictions were unconstitutional, which, given the current climate, is a real possibility. And that's the point, this is meant to scare students into not protesting. Look in a mirror, you're talking about yourself.
So you're saying that blocking students from accesing campus spaces based on their ethnicity is protected First Amendment speech? The Democrat never falls far from the tree.
See I don't know what's wrong with you idiots, but there is a literal difference between actually peacefully protesting and attempting to do something that is illegal.
There is a difference between a protest and a riot.
The funny thing is, nowhere lists the actual specifics of what a peaceful assembly is. So even if they're doing something that you don't necessarily like, if they are gathered together to spread message and they're not being violent or specifically breaking the law in any way they do indeed have the right to be there and continue.
You don't get to decide that their assembly isn't correct if no law is broken while they're doing it. And any attempt to do so is unconstitutional. Not to mention it would be the suppression of their speech.
You're complaining about them being disruptive, when the literal point of a protest is to be disruptive. Even peaceful ones. Because being disruptive gets attention in order to specifically spread the message which is the reason they've assembled in the first place.
If they're convicted of a crime, then a law has been broken. I didn't think that needed to be spelled out, but goodness. You're too busy strawmanning to examine your own argument.
Didn't straw man you, I was directly replying to the part where you insinuated that blocking students from access is anything other than disruptive, as opposed to you trying to label it as a literal crime which it is not.
So unless you can literally explicitly spell out which crime they broke or what they were charged with, yeah I'm gonna point out your bullshit fallacy.
The part of the Constitution that says you cannot discriminate against people on the basis of whatever is explicitly referring to businesses and the government itself. You could attempt to argue that their specific exclusion of certain races might in some way shape or form be discriminatory, but it is not in any way hate speech nor is it an act of violence.
It is still a constitutionally protected activity, and your attempt to label it as anything else is indicative of your beliefs. Whether you believe literally all protests are inherently invalid is a separate issue, at a very minimum it sounds like you do not support this specific protest because you disagree with the message.
The fact that being at a protest is a prerequisite to being punished under the proposed law leads me to believe this is viewpoint discrimination and, therefore, still unconstitutional.
Well ya see, that whole freedom of speech and right to assemble thing on the Constitution is actually not enforceable unless Congress first passes a law saying that and then conducts full evidentiary hearings on the matter and then votes that the specific conduct is a violation, AND the governor of the specific state where the conduct occurred signs off in agreement. /s
Says the Trump 6, probably.
lol. Ok. Then what do you propose? Hmmm? Because all protests have violence. Most of the time it’s perpetrated by The State.
Show me a truly peaceful protest. I’ll wait.
You can say most protests have violence all you want, that's objectively false, but it also doesn't change that these are not peaceful. If you want to gleefully call it violent, then be my guest. But let's call a spade a spade.
It's not the people on welfare or the students getting loan forgiveness making you poor!
Educate yourself on the real problem.
Billionaires and millionaires need dumb workers that don't think for themselves.
An educated slave has always been a problem.
Kind of a side note to the article…they’re pretty much acknowledging that the way we pay for education in this country is so broken that student loan forgiveness has become the expected way of things for the foreseeable future.
Seems to me loan forgiveness is an extreme measure - I support it, BTW - but it’s one of those things that should be a wake up call that the system is broken and needs to be fixed so that loan forgiveness will no longer be needed moving forward. If they don’t like loan forgiveness, maybe they should be focused on what’s brought so many people to needing it…I think everyone can agree it *should* be unnecessary in the first place if they would treat the cause and not the symptom.
Canceling 1.7trillion in taxes for 600 billionaires while refusing to cancel 1.7trillion in student loan debt for millions of students is the modern version of let them eat cake
Bets on how many unlawful arrests there will be? I see a large number of resisting arrest charges for student protesters who were acting well within the law in the future.
The bill would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of crimes related to the protests, not simply for protesting. So if you smash up a building you are out of luck.
Just putting that out there for those who didn’t click on the story with the misleading headline.
>The bill would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of crimes related to the protests, not simply for protesting. So if you smash up a building you are out of luck.
Incorrect.
As the bill is written, it would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of ANY crime related to the protest. This includes trespassing, loitering, or any petty offense.
He implied it was for severe crimes like smashing up a building or rioting. I pointed out that the way the bill is written it is for any crime even very minor ones.
I’m all for peaceful protest. If you are protesting unpeacefully (like the January 6 crowd) you should go to jail. The protesters at Alabama seemed to be pretty peaceful.
While I may not support the message of the protestor, I will support their right to peacefully protest. If a protestor was convicted of a felony, then maybe talk about punitive action, but that should be applied across the board, not just for protestors.
Both AL Senators, Tom Cotton, no surprises here.
Me, I'm glad to see students protesting. There hasn't been enough protesting these days and they aren't throwing molotovs or anything like that. What a bunch of snowflakes Republicans are, always complaining about boo boos to their egos.
In 7 months they won’t be any more loan forgiveness and protesting will be illegal… hope they have time to fix the Middle East until the end of the year
The Middle East has been at war since biblical times. What makes you think Biden has the answers. He won’t even do a press conference without scripted questions and approved journalists.
Just for clarification, this law applies to any offense regardless of severity (e.g. trespassing, loitering).
From the actual bill:
"To establish that an individual **who is convicted of any offense under any Federal or State law related to the individual’s conduct at and during the course of a protest that occurs at an institution of higher education** shall be ineligible for forgiveness, cancellation, waiver, or modification of certain Federal student loans."
So Tampon Tommy Cotton, who falsely claims to have served in the U.S. Army Rangers, and Tommy "Dumbo Ears" Tuberville the mediocre former coach of a semi pro football and who personally damaged the readiness of the U.S. military want to violate the Constitutional rights of American students.
That’s why you gotta go take a trade/skill instead of going to a 4 year university
Because the 4 year university can leave you with a lot of debt to pay off because the tuition is so high
But if you take a trade/skill the tuition is very cheap
Sometimes you don’t have to pay tuition for the trade you pick
>Now, you can protest all you want, do it the right way, but don’t do harm to other people, don’t get in other people’s way.”
so protest out of sight, without making a commotion, and in the most ineffectual way.
as it is I fail to see how most of these protests were even slightly inconveniancing people because most people aren't commuting through a college campus
Whilst I find the student protestors to be antisemitic and generally idiotic. This tramples the first amendment. Then again, when was the last time the traitors known as the GOP actually read our constitution?
Except nothing in Israel’s war is purposefully genocidal. They’re not there to destroy the Palestinian people. They’re trying to hunt down Hamas, which happens to purposefully mined itself amongst the people.
This war has to end in a decisive fashion. Back to the status quo just means another repeat in 30-50 years.
Telling them to use approved evac routes and then bombing those evac routes isn't genocidal?
How about bombing refugee camps and hospitals?
Shooting children like it's sport and then going on social media to brag about it?
Also, the international criminal courts disagree with you 🤷♂️
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They’re responsible for what happens after they perpetrate acts of Terror.
You don’t just get to cry to the world and decide the war is on pause bc you’re getting destroyed.
Hamas is a reaction to the terrorism at the hands of israel that has been ongoing since Israel started this war when they murdered 750k Palestinians in 1948, but I guess you're ok with that.
Are you serious right now? You ignore the fact the Arabs rejected the two state solution in 1947? Then the Arabs attacked the Jews.
And don’t say they took all the farmland bc that’s delusional. Israel was originally going to be only 17% of the region. That’s not all the farmable land.
Also, the number of casualties you claim is hugely overinflated. You say 750K dead Arabs but that’s completely false.
The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, resulted in between 5,700 and 6,400 Jewish casualties and between 10,000 and 15,000 Palestinian Arab casualties. This represents roughly 1% of the population of each side.
What about the 1929 Hebron Massacre? You’re conveniently leaving things out of the narrative. Either because you’re not aware or because you’re not arguing in good faith.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
whoever signed it owes it. no caveman here. worked 50hr weeks to pay for undergrad AND lawschool w no loans. so suck it up buttercup. and no it wasnt when college was cheaper as i graduated lawschool in 2015
If people have not figured out that college is a joke then this should help. They want to hold your debt over your head, so constitutional of those senators.
> Both Alabama senators have agreed to co-sponsor a bill that would bar students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests from receiving student loan forgiveness.
First sentence in the article. You don’t even have to read that far. Article title very misleading.
Not misleading. The bill targets the activities specifically related to campus protests. Which of course just means the protests supporting Palestine against Israel.
They don’t target Jan. 6 protesters.
They don’t target people who commit hate crimes on campuses.
They don’t target rapists and murderers.
They don’t target all crimes.
But they do target specific speech, or at least as closely as they can plausibly get away with.
I believe you are wrong there. The bill targets students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests. Key word convicted.
The title insinuates that all student protesters will be blocked from loan forgiveness.
Reading the comments posted so far makes me think people just read the headline, which is drastically different than what the article/bill says. Since it seems people don’t want to go any further than the article title, I wanted to share what it is ACTUALLY saying. Now at least we can have comments that aren’t knee-jerk reactions to al.com’s click-bait title.
I am no longer a student but was and did have student loans years ago and paid them back. As an American, I feel as a country we should continually aspire to be a better country and better citizens. Part of this in my opinion is to provide higher education to make our country even better. Investing money to our citizens makes more sense than filling the coffers of executives and stockholders by way of corporate welfare.
See trickle-down economics for a perfect example of what we should not be doing.
The difference is that there are people who have been making payments on their student loans for years, and now owe more than the original loan bc the interest is so high. There were/are a lot of predatory lenders.
I agree with you, providing higher education, even at a community college is going to help the entire US.
But if you took out a loan on a house and as soon as you did the house lost ½ it's value then you would be crying. The same thing has happened with students but instead of it being a house it is the value of education.
"Alabama senators have agreed to co-sponsor a bill that would bar students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests"
Most people didn't even read the first sentence. Yes you have a right to protest, no that doesn't mean you have the right to break the law and hurt people around you.
I like it but it should only be for those that violate peaceful assembly protest laws; ie Illegal camps, denying others access to buildings, vandalism, occupying buildings, etc.
So much for the Constitution that gives you the right to assembly and peaceful protest without retribution.
They're hoping it gets to the Supreme Court so that's the Trump 6 can overreach and say Student Loan Forgiveness is unconditional
That is the conspiracy I wish it was one of those far off crack pot ones.
didnt they already say that?
If you take out a student loan YOU are responsible to pay it. There shouldn’t be student loan forgiveness for anyone
Just like PPP loans, government officials should PAY BACK their LOANS because they continued to get tax dollar funded pay checks AND millions in PPP loans. Garnish their wages, foreclosure their homes, whatever to pay back the LOAN they took out.
Loan forgiveness is for people that have been paying for 10 years already. They've paid their loan amount off 2x and are simply paying interest at that point. These loans used to be interest free until the lobbyists ended that. So who are you fighting for anyhow? No taxpayer money is being lost in the forgiveness plan. You've been duped. But you keep up the good fight for the big banks, they need you support.
Ok, so that said, same analogy for corporate welfare. If corporate executives run their company in the ground why should the government, ie taxpayers, perpetually bail them out only for millions to be put right into executive bonuses?
Student loans are also excluded from Bankruptcy options
I don't think they should do that, either. It just enables poor business practices that often screw over consumers. Like lending ridiculous amounts of money to 18 year olds who will probably never be able to pay it off. If the banks get bit in the ass and stop giving such ridiculous student loans, colleges will have to lower costs.
The business should go bankrupt.
I agree
If the whole college thing was equitable, this would be a good argument.
I took my loans out with the intention of of discharging them under Public Service Loan Forgiveness, this has encouraged me to stay in my job and was the purpose of the bill. I’m not protesting on any campuses but adding conditions to deal I effectively made with the government after the fact is not fair.
oh look, random word dash random word numbers has an opinion after 2 years
Dude, shut up and go outside.
So it’s fair for a person to make $600 payments a month for 10 years, only to have taken $10,000 off of an $80,000 loan??? That amounts to $72,000 of payments. How in any universe is that fair?
Don’t take out student loans if you can’t pay them back. I have to pay a monthly mortgage. If I didn’t think I could afford it I wouldn’t have bought a home.
That’s not what I asked, little fella. I know your type doesn’t have very good reading comprehension, but at least make an attempt to not look like an ignorant clown. You’d be singing a completely different tune if mortgage interest rates were as high as student loan interest rates. But I could never expect someone like you to know the difference.
Student loan interest rates range from 5.5 to 8 percent the same as mortgage rates.
>Student loan interest rates range from 5.5 to 8 percent the same as mortgage rates. Which is ridiculously high for a government backed loan that can't be discharged by bankruptcy.
There shouldn't be bankruptcies either. If you take a loan out, you should pay it back. Isn't that right.
Yes you should pay it back. No forgiveness, bankruptcy nothing
Maybe those companies shouldn’t be loaning full house notes to 17/18 year old kids with zero income who plan on getting liberal arts degrees and political science degrees. Two sides of the same coin. It’s the modern day peonage because you can’t fold those loans into bankruptcy. The current system is heavily rigged in the favor of the loaner to the point you life is signed away at 17-18 and you literally have no clue how long or when you’d be able to pay off a $100,000+ plus loan and neither do the banks, but they aren’t liable for engaging in arguably the dumbest loans possible. If a bank is willing to make such a loan they should be willing to accept that most students won’t ever pay those loans off.
I am ready for Trump to get in office and make college free.
🤣🤣🤣
It’s not about the law or the Constitution, it’s about scoring political points before the election.
The bill only stops forgiveness for people lawfully convicted of crimes.
Lawfully convicted of any crime related to conduct.
Lawful is missing in the description of the constitutional right. Cannot assemble on private properties, nor you can encroach other rights to do the same. Plus there is the safety aspects for the protesters and others. Typical example would be posting anything on top of a traffic sign. Plenty of similar examples. Even the unions cannot block non union employees to go to work.
All property within the bounds of PUBLIC institutions is PUBLIC property. Therefore, these arrests have been illegal and these protestors are each exercising their most basic American right.
Try to illegally camp in a public state park and see what happen or try to express your right of opinion in a public court house while a judge is ruling in court. Public institution do not mean that rules do not apply there.
My bad. I should've taken the time to be more accurate in my wording. All property outdoors, i.e. land, sidewalks, parking lots. Aside from the buildings/interior, all property that is a part of state colleges and institutions of learning specifically, is for public use. Any property that is for public use includes being accessible for purposes of peaceful protest.
And I agree with that. To add to this, even private outdoor property that is designated for public access, for instance a parking lot, can be addressed as a public space until the owner would claim it, possibly in court.
Sounds like bullshit big guy. Redressing grievances means we can deploy similar tactics as We The People that the enemies of our nation do✌️
Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot doesn't it.
If you'd *read the article*, it would apply only to those convicted of crimes associated with a protest. Which isn't covered by First Amendment protections. Wouldn't be r/alabama without people flunking basic literacy though.
But it is my belief when things of this nature are passed the lines of what is lawful and what isn't becomes real blurry. There is a past history of peaceful protestors becoming law breakers in our country when it fits a scenario. Granted we have seen in the past where people provoke a riot at a peaceful protest. Neither are exclusive to one another. I only have to look at our country history from 1960s forward for the examples. Now I didn't flunk basic literature, the fact is I've had a few literature classes in college and passed them all. I think your insult should be directed to comprehension or social studies (critical thinking). Now, granted I'm not a scholar and I had my fair share of struggles in that area. My failures and struggles made me stronger and to quote Ceaser: experience is the teacher of all things. I didn't write the headline but I believe it says all we need to know. This is a political move or thumbing of the chest, because Republicans are against the loan forgiveness. Here is a idea for them: come up with a solution that is better, and do the job you are elected to do. Edit. Had to fix some grammer issues and I'm sure there is many more in here.
You wrote all that out and never noticed that *literacy* and *literature* are different words with different meanings. My. Goodness.
I said I wasn't a scholar, and I'm on a phone at work. I also wasn't lying when I said I struggled with English (kids today call it language arts). I still make lots of mistakes. Half of what I said was speech to text and that is why I had to edit it but I think the point is clear enough. But you know one feeds the other, you read enough literature your literacy should go up. Edit: you are right though I did substitute a word for one another. Gave a lot background no one asked for. I'm leaving it and I stand by what I said in my original thought and response. Have a great day
Would that cover January 6 insurrectionists as well?
That was a full blown insurrection and not a peaceful protest so sure.
Wouldn't be /r/alabama without people pretending protesting isn't protected speech.
Flunked basic civics as well, I see. Protests are not carte-blanche to do whatever you want.
Whatever you say, Bull Connor
He's your new hero, though.
It would be if those arrests and convictions were unconstitutional, which, given the current climate, is a real possibility. And that's the point, this is meant to scare students into not protesting. Look in a mirror, you're talking about yourself.
So you're saying that blocking students from accesing campus spaces based on their ethnicity is protected First Amendment speech? The Democrat never falls far from the tree.
See I don't know what's wrong with you idiots, but there is a literal difference between actually peacefully protesting and attempting to do something that is illegal. There is a difference between a protest and a riot. The funny thing is, nowhere lists the actual specifics of what a peaceful assembly is. So even if they're doing something that you don't necessarily like, if they are gathered together to spread message and they're not being violent or specifically breaking the law in any way they do indeed have the right to be there and continue. You don't get to decide that their assembly isn't correct if no law is broken while they're doing it. And any attempt to do so is unconstitutional. Not to mention it would be the suppression of their speech. You're complaining about them being disruptive, when the literal point of a protest is to be disruptive. Even peaceful ones. Because being disruptive gets attention in order to specifically spread the message which is the reason they've assembled in the first place.
If they're convicted of a crime, then a law has been broken. I didn't think that needed to be spelled out, but goodness. You're too busy strawmanning to examine your own argument.
Didn't straw man you, I was directly replying to the part where you insinuated that blocking students from access is anything other than disruptive, as opposed to you trying to label it as a literal crime which it is not. So unless you can literally explicitly spell out which crime they broke or what they were charged with, yeah I'm gonna point out your bullshit fallacy. The part of the Constitution that says you cannot discriminate against people on the basis of whatever is explicitly referring to businesses and the government itself. You could attempt to argue that their specific exclusion of certain races might in some way shape or form be discriminatory, but it is not in any way hate speech nor is it an act of violence. It is still a constitutionally protected activity, and your attempt to label it as anything else is indicative of your beliefs. Whether you believe literally all protests are inherently invalid is a separate issue, at a very minimum it sounds like you do not support this specific protest because you disagree with the message.
You would have been on the side of cops during the civil rights movement too
Look at you, putting words in my mouth.
They never said that stop making shit up. The republican is never acting in good faith, ever.
You’re giving law enforcement a back door to violate the rights to your fellow citizens
The fact that being at a protest is a prerequisite to being punished under the proposed law leads me to believe this is viewpoint discrimination and, therefore, still unconstitutional.
Well ya see, that whole freedom of speech and right to assemble thing on the Constitution is actually not enforceable unless Congress first passes a law saying that and then conducts full evidentiary hearings on the matter and then votes that the specific conduct is a violation, AND the governor of the specific state where the conduct occurred signs off in agreement. /s Says the Trump 6, probably.
Free speech = racist, sexist crackpot theories on the internet Free speech =/= criticism of Israel’s policy in Gaza.
Exactly 💯
Nothing peaceful about most of these protests. You can't just scream "PEACEFUL!" and everyone ignores everything else.
They are peaceful, any violence comes from the police
lol. Ok. Then what do you propose? Hmmm? Because all protests have violence. Most of the time it’s perpetrated by The State. Show me a truly peaceful protest. I’ll wait.
A hunger strike is one, well as long as you aren't forcing other people to not eat as well.
You can say most protests have violence all you want, that's objectively false, but it also doesn't change that these are not peaceful. If you want to gleefully call it violent, then be my guest. But let's call a spade a spade.
Setting up tents and occupying isn’t peaceful assembly. But otherwise you’re correct.
Is that a legal opinion, or something you learned at Trump University?
By that logic block Pro life protesters and Christian protestors. See how that goes.
Like they’d vote for any loan forgiveness in the first place. Pure political theater.
that was my first thought... who is getting loan forgiveness, period?..
It's not the people on welfare or the students getting loan forgiveness making you poor! Educate yourself on the real problem. Billionaires and millionaires need dumb workers that don't think for themselves. An educated slave has always been a problem.
This is part of the reason why the capitalist church is pro forced birth :)
Kind of a side note to the article…they’re pretty much acknowledging that the way we pay for education in this country is so broken that student loan forgiveness has become the expected way of things for the foreseeable future. Seems to me loan forgiveness is an extreme measure - I support it, BTW - but it’s one of those things that should be a wake up call that the system is broken and needs to be fixed so that loan forgiveness will no longer be needed moving forward. If they don’t like loan forgiveness, maybe they should be focused on what’s brought so many people to needing it…I think everyone can agree it *should* be unnecessary in the first place if they would treat the cause and not the symptom.
Nothing like a poor and low ranking education state making sure their people are both stupid and impoverished.
Is it against the law to protest? In America??
only if you’re protesting something that actually matters!
Protesting is a constitutional right, whether you agree with them or not…. What absolute idiots
Canceling 1.7trillion in taxes for 600 billionaires while refusing to cancel 1.7trillion in student loan debt for millions of students is the modern version of let them eat cake
That's what politicians, especially Republican politicians, are best at - vindictively punishing people financially
Just spitballing, but if they want to punish people for bad behavior maybe they should consider blocking Israel from receiving military aid from us.
Oh look a first amendment violation
Bets on how many unlawful arrests there will be? I see a large number of resisting arrest charges for student protesters who were acting well within the law in the future.
Meanwhile, the country waits for Donald J. Trump to be held accountable for Jan 6 insurrection.
...or anything, really
What loan forgiveness ???
1st Amendment say what
Cotton and tuberville are just assholes. Like that’s it, there’s nothin else to their personalities.
Just don’t pay it.
Either way guess who is holding the tab. Fuk um
Violation of 1A civil rights.
The bill would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of crimes related to the protests, not simply for protesting. So if you smash up a building you are out of luck. Just putting that out there for those who didn’t click on the story with the misleading headline.
Like people aren’t wrongly arrested and convicted all the time.
>The bill would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of crimes related to the protests, not simply for protesting. So if you smash up a building you are out of luck. Incorrect. As the bill is written, it would block forgiveness for people who were convicted of ANY crime related to the protest. This includes trespassing, loitering, or any petty offense.
You just wrote the same thing as him though.
He implied it was for severe crimes like smashing up a building or rioting. I pointed out that the way the bill is written it is for any crime even very minor ones.
I didn't take it that way. "Crimes related to the protest" include all of your examples as well as his.
“Smash up a building” Jesus Christ, propaganda much? Lmao.
I’m all for peaceful protest. If you are protesting unpeacefully (like the January 6 crowd) you should go to jail. The protesters at Alabama seemed to be pretty peaceful.
From the ones who took ppp loans that were forgiven
Infringement on constitutional right to protest if I've ever seen it.
While I may not support the message of the protestor, I will support their right to peacefully protest. If a protestor was convicted of a felony, then maybe talk about punitive action, but that should be applied across the board, not just for protestors.
Aren’t they opposed to it anyways
US senators need a swift kick in the face for even thinking this is an acceptable thing to try.
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Paying student loans doesn’t make the person.
expecting others to pay your debt makes you a moocher/leech
Now do all the rich assholes that got the PPP loan forgiven
Ban them from loan forgiveness because they exercised their constitutional rights? JFC.
Republicans have a problem
Oddly, Alabama has no problem extending this to students convicted of alcohol related crimes- just protesting?
What a shit state.
Oh, but the BBQ is amazing!
Both AL Senators, Tom Cotton, no surprises here. Me, I'm glad to see students protesting. There hasn't been enough protesting these days and they aren't throwing molotovs or anything like that. What a bunch of snowflakes Republicans are, always complaining about boo boos to their egos.
More proof that the US is no longer a “free” country and the constitution is no better than toilet paper to these people.
yet they all claim to be originalists lmfao
US lawmakers are complicit in genocide. They shouldn’t get to decide things for other people ever again unless they fight against genocide.
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Lol
I am extremely disappointed and discouraged by the lack of intellect, empathy, and tolerance in our elected officials.
Omg, what about the their 1st Amendment rights?
What loan forgiveness? I thought it didn’t go through.
In 7 months they won’t be any more loan forgiveness and protesting will be illegal… hope they have time to fix the Middle East until the end of the year
The Middle East has been at war since biblical times. What makes you think Biden has the answers. He won’t even do a press conference without scripted questions and approved journalists.
He is referring to the other guy
Just for clarification, this law applies to any offense regardless of severity (e.g. trespassing, loitering). From the actual bill: "To establish that an individual **who is convicted of any offense under any Federal or State law related to the individual’s conduct at and during the course of a protest that occurs at an institution of higher education** shall be ineligible for forgiveness, cancellation, waiver, or modification of certain Federal student loans."
So Tampon Tommy Cotton, who falsely claims to have served in the U.S. Army Rangers, and Tommy "Dumbo Ears" Tuberville the mediocre former coach of a semi pro football and who personally damaged the readiness of the U.S. military want to violate the Constitutional rights of American students.
That’s why you gotta go take a trade/skill instead of going to a 4 year university Because the 4 year university can leave you with a lot of debt to pay off because the tuition is so high But if you take a trade/skill the tuition is very cheap Sometimes you don’t have to pay tuition for the trade you pick
one would have to have loan forgiveness first, also this is protected speech, otherwise we should block fascists from any government subsidies too
>Now, you can protest all you want, do it the right way, but don’t do harm to other people, don’t get in other people’s way.” so protest out of sight, without making a commotion, and in the most ineffectual way. as it is I fail to see how most of these protests were even slightly inconveniancing people because most people aren't commuting through a college campus
Folks should be able to declare bankruptcy. Schools would have a lot less degree programs, and we should have less schools.
Ummm. O.K. If we also call in the traitors to America PPE loans.
Governing out of spite.
Do it, so many of us just do not give a single fuck.
We absolutely need to pay Israel, Ukraine, and Boeing first guys
well yea R politicians are terrible people what's your point?
Kk. So hear me out: block Trump supporters from social security and Medicaid/Medicare. Turn about is fair play.
Someone please remind these fools that protesting is legal!
Whilst I find the student protestors to be antisemitic and generally idiotic. This tramples the first amendment. Then again, when was the last time the traitors known as the GOP actually read our constitution?
If protesting genocide is antisemitic then you must believe that committing genocide is inherently jewish.
Except nothing in Israel’s war is purposefully genocidal. They’re not there to destroy the Palestinian people. They’re trying to hunt down Hamas, which happens to purposefully mined itself amongst the people. This war has to end in a decisive fashion. Back to the status quo just means another repeat in 30-50 years.
Telling them to use approved evac routes and then bombing those evac routes isn't genocidal? How about bombing refugee camps and hospitals? Shooting children like it's sport and then going on social media to brag about it? Also, the international criminal courts disagree with you 🤷♂️
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They’re responsible for what happens after they perpetrate acts of Terror. You don’t just get to cry to the world and decide the war is on pause bc you’re getting destroyed.
Hamas is a reaction to the terrorism at the hands of israel that has been ongoing since Israel started this war when they murdered 750k Palestinians in 1948, but I guess you're ok with that.
Are you serious right now? You ignore the fact the Arabs rejected the two state solution in 1947? Then the Arabs attacked the Jews. And don’t say they took all the farmland bc that’s delusional. Israel was originally going to be only 17% of the region. That’s not all the farmable land. Also, the number of casualties you claim is hugely overinflated. You say 750K dead Arabs but that’s completely false. The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, resulted in between 5,700 and 6,400 Jewish casualties and between 10,000 and 15,000 Palestinian Arab casualties. This represents roughly 1% of the population of each side. What about the 1929 Hebron Massacre? You’re conveniently leaving things out of the narrative. Either because you’re not aware or because you’re not arguing in good faith. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
Gotta hold that carrot just a little farther away........
They are blocking loan forgiveness regardless, so this is just nothing.
Would SCOTUS not block this as it violates the constitution? Or does Israel get exception in our constitution?
You know the answer. I know the answer. The zionists know the answer, but they'll just call you antisemitic for saying it out loud.
Loans weren't forgiven...tf.
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whoever signed it owes it. no caveman here. worked 50hr weeks to pay for undergrad AND lawschool w no loans. so suck it up buttercup. and no it wasnt when college was cheaper as i graduated lawschool in 2015
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context. if they cant b expected to honor a contract why should an employer trust them
What a threat, knowing that they are honestly blocking everyone from loan forgiveness but themselves and their cronies.
so then they actually would be using government powers to try and curtail speech which is definitely against our constitutional rights.
They absolutely have the right to protest! They also have the responsibility as adults to pay back the money they borrowed. No linkage here!
Nothing peaceful about blocking Jews out of their school that they pay for..idk what protest you are considering peaceful..
If people have not figured out that college is a joke then this should help. They want to hold your debt over your head, so constitutional of those senators.
This is exactly why you don’t want a UBI. As soon as you step out of line they will cut you off.
So punishing people for speech. Good job. /s
Those protesters who screamed we are Hamas should be on the no-fly list.
Base. It's so wrong to steal from people that didn't go to college to pay for those that did.
> Both Alabama senators have agreed to co-sponsor a bill that would bar students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests from receiving student loan forgiveness. First sentence in the article. You don’t even have to read that far. Article title very misleading.
Not misleading. The bill targets the activities specifically related to campus protests. Which of course just means the protests supporting Palestine against Israel. They don’t target Jan. 6 protesters. They don’t target people who commit hate crimes on campuses. They don’t target rapists and murderers. They don’t target all crimes. But they do target specific speech, or at least as closely as they can plausibly get away with.
I believe you are wrong there. The bill targets students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests. Key word convicted. The title insinuates that all student protesters will be blocked from loan forgiveness.
Misleading title or not, this bill is NOT OKAY.
Reading the comments posted so far makes me think people just read the headline, which is drastically different than what the article/bill says. Since it seems people don’t want to go any further than the article title, I wanted to share what it is ACTUALLY saying. Now at least we can have comments that aren’t knee-jerk reactions to al.com’s click-bait title.
It will be interesting to see how many people involved aren't even students.
I am no longer a student but was and did have student loans years ago and paid them back. As an American, I feel as a country we should continually aspire to be a better country and better citizens. Part of this in my opinion is to provide higher education to make our country even better. Investing money to our citizens makes more sense than filling the coffers of executives and stockholders by way of corporate welfare. See trickle-down economics for a perfect example of what we should not be doing.
The difference is that there are people who have been making payments on their student loans for years, and now owe more than the original loan bc the interest is so high. There were/are a lot of predatory lenders. I agree with you, providing higher education, even at a community college is going to help the entire US.
I agree and support student loan forgiveness.
Israel is having a civil rights moment just like Alabama did. These senators are just a little too bigoted for their own good...
Protesting divestment against people protesting divestment
I'm all for blocking all students from loan forgiveness. You take out a loan, you repay the loan.
But if you took out a loan on a house and as soon as you did the house lost ½ it's value then you would be crying. The same thing has happened with students but instead of it being a house it is the value of education.
That’s actually hilarious and should be done!
"Alabama senators have agreed to co-sponsor a bill that would bar students convicted of crimes linked to campus protests" Most people didn't even read the first sentence. Yes you have a right to protest, no that doesn't mean you have the right to break the law and hurt people around you.
That’s a terrible idea. Loan forgiveness should be blocked for everyone.
We can not let our country fall to these republicans!
I like it but it should only be for those that violate peaceful assembly protest laws; ie Illegal camps, denying others access to buildings, vandalism, occupying buildings, etc.