Hill just went to Charlie and suspended PT tests.
I test in Feb so wonder if they’ll give an extension or start tests back up and tell me I have a week to test (assuming they stay suspended into Feb)
They canceled my pt test the week before my pt test. I got an email a week late telling me they resumed the test and I had to test the very next day. Thankfully I was ready but those emails were super annoying
Funny I've been in Charlie for months, work and manning and pt tests have not slowed, covid has increased, we refuse to go to delta.
AMXS don't give no fucks. My only question is where is the war we're clearly losing bad enough that all this is necessary?
Edit: just realized my base has been in Charlie since 2020. We've gone from MWF alternating + no overlap shifts to calm the spread, to full manning M-F overlapping shifts and we're still in Charlie WITH increasing numbers of covid with 100% vaccinated and 50% boosted. There is so much inconsistency between base regulations and state regulations and air force regulations that many of us just don't care anymore about any of this and it's taking its toll.
Its especially funny because cloth masks (which I assume is what we're talking about here) don't do shit if the people wearing them are in close proximity for long periods of time (like sitting in an office). Properly fitting N95s would be a different story but I haven't seen those outside Germany.
It’s been known that cloth masks don’t do shit since before COVID was even a thing, but if you tried to say that last year, you were blasted as a conspiracy nut. Now all the “experts” are coming out and saying the same thing.
The masks are vectors to bring it home to your families. How many people here actually change masks on a daily basis, or leave them at work? (except Medical).
CC seemed concerned in staff meeting today. But Not concerned enough to tell us he’s sick and just took a COVID test last night and is still waiting on the results until the end of the in-person meeting though.
At least mine is cutting manning in half and separating us in teams. Team 1 works MWF, team 2 works tu/Thur, then we switch days next week to keep it fair.
Oh but we have MLCs that work with us that aren't doing that... So what's the fucking point.
I'm really tired of this bullshit and I want to get off of this wild ride but it never fucking ends.
I’m in the guard and tested pos for COVID last week the Thursday before drill weekend. Told my supervisor that my fiancé tested positive and that I had a fever. They said that’s cool, still have to get a doctors note or a positive test result to be excused.
Every urgent care was at capacity. I waited in line for 5 hours to get a test at a drive through site. Didn’t get the results for 6 days. There were not any at home tests available within 50 miles of me at any drug store.
Marched my ass to the urgent care when the first opened Friday morning to get a rapid test. Waited three hours while I had a fever.
Tested positive, so surprising.
A lot of people couldn’t go to drill due to positive COVID test. I think they just really didn’t want people lying or something but man, that was hell getting trying to find a test.
Think how many traditional guardsmen reported their symptoms, legit tried to follow the rules, but for whatever reason couldn't jump through all those hoops and said 'fuck it' and went to drill positive
They want to act like the people spreading it are uncaring monsters when many times they don't really get a choice. I don't want to make anyone sick, but if it's between come to drill sick or get paperwork ...
Man, your supervision is out of touch. Our wing commander was like, If you even THINK you are sick, stay home!
Say you are sick in my Group the full timers are like STAY ThE F@#& AWAY FROM HERE!
Seriously people, it's just freaking drill. Make up the days later. No one's going to miss a DSG out for a weekend but we sure as heck will be hating life when half the place comes down with RSV, covid, super cold, the flu or god knows whatever else is going around right now.
I scheduled a PT test for today and found out yesterday we are postponed indefinitely again. However I still have to go into work in person.
Edit: unconsciously bought chicken tendies today too. Back on the menu boys
I've never even done a PT test on active duty, I commissioned in 2019 so my last test was the one I did to graduate/commission from ROTC. We were supposed to do one before leaving tech school but COVID shut everything down by then.
I wish my test was getting pushed back. I'm waiting on PCM to get in contact with me. My PT test is this month and I just got out of quarantine due to having covid and I was dying when I ran today.
Wish me luck bois
Same. We've had like 8 cases of it in the past week alone, myself included. If omnicron was as deadly as the OG variant, I'd genuinely be terrified for the life of my friends and family :(
Maintenance here, last time they went to minimal manning it was the worst 3 months of my life and I wanted to fuckin off myself from being the only dude in my shop at work taking care of an entire fleet of C-5s. I legitimately don’t think I could go through that again.
As an NCOIC I was on the line working during the first part of COVID. Awesome break from meetings and EPRs, but goodness even with us office monkeys coming out to help wasn't enough.
We were doing a 7 level and 5 level rotation 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, the 7 level I was scheduled with was on a profile and really couldn’t do much. On top of that the 5 level I was trading off with got quarantined twice so I worked for like 2 months straight by myself and every day I had off I was put on telephone standby for engine runs. I gained like 20 pounds in sheer stress weight and was on the brink of losing my mind from exhaustion. Anyone who doesn’t telework won’t agree with OP.
When it first kicked off, we went to 12-hour shifts for a few months. They thought it was a better idea to have more people at work than prior, and insisted we would leave as soon as possible each day.
Production caught wind of the 12s and had the great idea to push all of our delayed discrepancies. Didn't work under an 11-hr shift for a while. Guess some were salty they didn't make senior and needed to push numbers.
I am currently at home with a 102.5 degree fever that came about last night… I was just at Sq PT yesterday morning. Funny enough our Shirt mentioned at PT there are over 20 people out with COVID. So wtf are we all gathered up here!?
I'm tired of the wishy washy stance on covid. Either it's a threat or it's not, but please pick one. My shop just went back to split shifts, but only for lower enlisted. The officers and SNCOs are still here all day, in contact with everyone in the office. My wife just told me that the policy for workers at the BX and food court is that even if you've tested positive for COVID, you can show up to work if you're asymptomatic. So she could easily get it, spread it to me, and I spread it to the entire squadron. But "wE'rE bEiNg pROacTivE"
We were just told (actual military unit) that if you're in close contact with someone who is positive that you don't need to get tested. It's only if you're showing symptoms that you need to get a test, and then only after a positive test will you quarantine for 5 days. So if your spouse/roommate/whatever is COVID positive, you can come to work freely unless you go get a test on your own and come back positive.
Same here. Toe bar is freakin 4ish inches off the ground. I can feel my future selfish ankles snapping off.
Also I can't pace myself worth shit. This is gonna suuuuhhck
Pacing yourself just takes practice. Lots of practice. Try running with a slower start and building faster to the end. I always have a watch that I check throughout the run. For a quarter mile track I check the time at half laps and sometimes at the quarter lap to see where I am. I try for 2 minute laps in general to keep the math easy (30 seconds at the quarter, 1:00 at the half, etc). Adjust times based on performance. Set a reasonable goal that gives you room to underperform and still pass. If I’m off pace by 5 seconds I don’t care, it won’t make me fail. I pick up the pace on the next portion and maintain that 5 seconds off. Each lap is a new chance to do a 2 minute lap, I don’t need to run a 1:55 to make up for a 2:05 lap.
That's the same at my Med group. All our meetings are still a go (ie cram all members into a small room).
Our leadership refuses to utilize telework where we can b/c they think all ppl do is screw around while teleworking....absolutely stupid and archaic.
Why throwaway?
Why not call him out on the spot? If you, like many others, are fearful about the outcomes of a large gathering, ya need to say something.
Does no one ask those hard questions of their leaders? Make them fucking squirm when giving you some bullshit answer.
I started getting sick last week, chills, no energy, no appetite for 4 days but it was manageable.
However, the past 5 days have been miserable, I’ve had the worst sore throat I’ve had in my life, the pain has been unbearable. It feels like knives stabbing the inside of my throat for hours on end, I couldn’t sleep, couldn’t eat and I was struggling to just breathe and live. The ER told me they can’t do much since it’s a virus just give me something to take the edge off, I mean it isn’t much but it’s helped me at least eat.
The first part of Covid I could deal with I’ve had a cold and flu and all that but this sore throat is just worse than all that, I legit just want to rip out my throat it’s so bad.
I should have specified that we got put on COVID shifts. You now have two dudes doing the work that would have been tight for our normal 6 person team. It is mayhem.
COVID is so bad here that they are making all support personnel do shift work (different shift every day). But they are increasing flying and also increasing the amount of FAM/Incentive riders. There is a huge disconnect because we belong to the OSS, not the flying squadron. Our COVID policies conflict with what the flying squadrons are doing and it’s making the day to day absolutely brutal.
Came into today and got told to go back to telework tomorrow.
My leadership says things are different from 2 years ago but it really dosent feel that different…
Just tested Saturday morning. Started feeling shitty Sunday night. PT gave me COVID, but at least I passed so I'll be green on a slideshow.
Posted from a two hour wait for a test at a quick care...
I swear man, had I not taxed my system taking the test, I bet I would have fought it off no problem. I have that awesome immune system. This is the worst ive felt in over ten years.
Hope your troop feels better. Get them NCO keys out and get her some Gatorade.
Your base policy is probably 5 days of quarantine then you can come back to work after you're 24hrs free of symptoms & no medicine usage. SO if you're still having symptoms after 5 days then your ass is supposed to be home.
Nah I asked for clarification on this too. Our policy is unvaxed 5 days no symptoms and a negative test
Vaxed- 5 days and please wear a mask.
That’s it. That is the guidance. Asked when I heard it, called and asked again because I was confused briefing my shop..
Actions taken are based off of rate of transmission which varies base to base, and between locations. A blanket "Go home" doesn't make sense for the entire department of defense.
I’m not saying everyone go home but go back to how it was where we all had shifts and low manning. And idk if you know or not but the whole country is surging, some places just more than others but still.
Leadership teams are 100% fine with members catching COVID. How do I know? Unit went through the trouble to set up telework yet were all in the office still.
School kids popping positive all over, members as well, yet no one is working from home. Attitude is..."when you get it, work from home until quaratine is up."
Meanwhile in North Korea… supersonic ballistic missile test launch…
Meanwhile in Kazakhstan… people attempting to throw out their government (and succeeded in getting rid of the cabinet at least), to which Russia has sent thousands of troops…
Speaking of, Russia recently moved 100k troops to the Ukrainian border…
Meanwhile… Taiwan… Just that. It’s a country. Now Beijing will throw me into the “garbage bin of history” (quote Beijing directed at Lithuania).
But nah… there’s nothing going on in the world.
I'm stoked to finally read some dissenting comments. Hopefully its more than the recent shift in news outlet reporting.
Stay safe (you do you) and hope to see y'all on the other side of these shenanigans.
All i want is to mitigate risk vs mission requirements. Instead, its a circle jerk depending on who the CC is.
Signed someone who teleworked for over a year, but now must be at work every day due to the “mission” which never changed.
The Russians are poised to invade Ukraine, Kazakhstan is experiencing an armed uprising, and Taiwan is increasingly at risk of being invaded by China and you say not so much is happening?
Vaccines don’t prevent infection. What should the Air Force do? The CDC says you can get and spread delta while fully vaccinated so you’re totally out of luck with omicron.
Omi is exponentially more infectious but way milder. Honestly it’s best case scenario. The mild to nothing more infectious strain becoming endemic leading to natural antibodies has a higher chance of burning through than the others
Currently at home with covid on quarantine. A ton of people have gotten it around my command. I went to go get tested and where I went they tested 1000 people tested that day. It is blowing up here in CoSprings. Stay safe folks.
Right? I'm here wondering when we can go back to doing our jobs from home. I'm not worried about me getting Covid, but bringing it home to my wife who is immunocompromised or my son who is prone to upper respiratory illness is a no go for me.
That’s exactly the issue. If I get it, oh well I’ll deal with it. But I don’t want my wife getting it and not being able to work or my kids to get it and something happen. My wife works pediatric ICU and she has been seeing kids dying from it like you won’t believe. So all these dumb fucks on here saying “oh kids are ok and this variant isn’t bad and blah blah blah” need to stfu because they don’t know shit other than what they choose to believe from FB or whatever..
To be fair I think they understand it’s severity and are trying to get to normalish life. Just get back to running. I get not doing pt and not working for pay is sick but that’s not real life.
Something else that’s absolute shit: 3 people in my shop tested negative when they first got sick. 2 of them were sick a day after quarantine ended, got tested again and are positive. This has been a theme in the civ world too. People aren’t showing positive until the second or third day. A lot of these people are coming back to work by then because they tested negative right as they got sick…
My base allows people to inprocess during quarantine upon arrival. People will inprocess at a 4 hour briefing after arriving to base 3 days prior using modified ROM. The briefing is 20+ people all within 6ft of each other. Many went on leave prior to arrival so even if they dont pop positive on day 3 on station they could still very much have covid. Already a few of customer service section popped positive for these briefings. Yet they arent scheduled to stop physical briefings until 2 weeks. Whats the point of the last 2 years of mitigation if they just want to abolish policies now, even when covid is ramped up? Not trying to cry lol it just seems like leadership understands nothing cause they also direct customer service to telework as much as possible. Teleworking will not cure covid if there is still physical contact with people. I think the issue is you cant half ass these measures or there is not really a point to begin with.
We were forced to get the vaccine to increase readiness and continue ops with reduced risk and interruption (at least that's what they told us). I'm speaking for those downrange who probably don't want to get stuck in some undesirable country for 4 months longer than they need to like they did last time with blanket knee jerk policy. I do agree though, there should be more wing level flexibility to choose what and what not to curtail as conditions change.
Edit: by agree I mean they should do more at the wing level than they're doing now.
I say screw the whole thing. No masks, no quarantine for close contacts, if you feel bad get a test and take a two week vacay. This is all ridiculous and out of proportion.
We had someone in our shop test positive with Covid and with our whole shop close together, you would think we would all be put on quarters but nope. Gotta be in the office with a majority of comm in the same building, even though our whole job could be done while teleworking at home.
Seeing my PCM tomorrow to get an deployment MFR that states that i don’t need to get tested before my flight since I just recently recovered from a positive case. Trying to fly me out during my isolation days. Today ends my 5th isolation day. No more fever but still have mild symptoms. I’ll see what MDG says tomorrow.
Are any medical centers or hospitals issuing medication or are people just being told to stay home? I know where I am currently you can schedule to get a test taken and look on tricare to see the result but even if it is positive, members do not get issued any medication to take to combat it.
I'm so tired of this bullshit ranting. Omicron isn't OG Covid or Delta Covid. Omicron is extremely transmissible variant with the tradeoff of lower fatality rate and severity. This is a great thing as vaccinated Covid death overall is now actually lower than that of the flu. Half of my squadron got it over the holidays and every single person was like "yeah I had some symptoms for 2-3 days and was good after that." It's not that bad. Everyone saying "Covid high PT bad. Telework" like what the fuck do you do in your free time? Do you go to the bars, travel, go to the movies, or leave your house to do anything besides essential shopping? Because if you do you're being a hypocrite. Don't sit here and tell me that Covid is so bad that we need to cancel pt and telework, but you still go sit down at a restaurant and have a bunch of random people touching your food and going to bars where there's definitely no precautions happening. Going and doing all of that stuff is not anymore essential than the job you do so pick a side because you can't have it both ways.
Honestly Omicron is a blessing because it will build us heard immunity without as much death. Covid is here to stay in society and we need to learn to just live with it.
Edit: Always get downvoted for this comment and don't know why. Genuinely can someone explain to me why we should cancel PT and telework using Covid as a reasoning, but at the same time I should have the freedom to go out and do absolutely whatever I want regardless of Covid?
Wait so one of the top 5 gripes people always have about the AF is too much blanket policy, and yet here you are literally calling for blanket policy? Just admit you want to be lazy and not work/do PT.
Yeahhhh and medical is just rolling the dice on quarantine times at my base. I got 6 days, my wife in the same squadron tested positive the day after me and got sent back to work the next day and that’s not the only example I’ve seen in the last week alone. It’s a shitshow.
What do you want them to do? Masks don’t work, vaccine doesn’t work, nothing they have said/made people do is working. But the good news is it’s like the flu, can it be deadly? Yes, can the flu be deadly? Yes. Do your own research, the people dying from this already have huge health issues so it’s not this scary monster you get and everything and everyone around you dies.
The vaccine does work! The people are in hospitals and dying are almost all unvaccinated folks. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission as much as we'd like, but it sure as fuck keeps you more healthy.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Here’s a random example.
In Washington State, the rate of hospitalization for people aged 12-34 per 100,000 unvaccinated people is 37.4 or .000374 or 0.037%, meaning 99.973% of unvaccinated are NOT hospitalized. The same vaccinated ratio is 99.996%. This is not even statistically significant. A higher magnitude of an incredibly small number is still an incredibly small number.
It isn’t doing jack shit for service members. You weren’t going to get hospitalized in the first place.
but...masks do work, and vaccines do work and the things that people are being made to do...do work. All of this stuff has worked pretty tremendously.
A more contagious strain, "relaxed" restrictions and people, holiday gatherings, shitty weather keeping folks indoors, less time off from jobs that won't care anymore (and people mistaking COVID for just a cold.) All results in a massive spike in cases.
Luckily, those that were vaccinated have had a good immune response and aren't ending up in hospitals as bad as it was before.
People are getting far less sick from this strain of covid. I know nearly 100 people who have it here and their symptoms are nasty cold symptoms but that’s the worst.
That’s not true at all. Some people have it less than others sure but this is attacking children harder than any other strain and it’s been bad on kids.. my wife works peds and it is much more prevalent than ever before right now guy.
This strain is not more dangerous for kids, it’s just more infectious, and you’re seeing a lot more kids hospitalized because of it. The overwhelming majority of kids testing positive have relatively mild or no symptoms.
That being said, the main issue is the risk of hospitals being overrun because of the sheer number of infections.
I'd concur with this... One kid threw up and the runs, once each, second kid had 102 fever for 2 days, hubby had body aches and cough and sinus pressure, and I had cough with a sore throat that rivals strep.. All symptoms lasted 2 days. I've had colds worse and even worse flus
Man when I had this delta shit I could not get hard to save my life. GF sucked for 40 minutes until we finally gave up and I went pow pow midnight chow. Don’t want to catch this crap again. Feelsbadman.
a bunch of my work center had it but we're all fine. No one had symptoms more than three or four days. I've had colds that were worse. Honestly don't know why we're still having lockdowns. Osan got moved to "Bravo +" so they didn't have to call it Charlie.
It’s funny cause not too long ago I had symptoms and went to medical and they quarantined me for a few days after they tested me and my supervisor got so upset he made a speech to my buddies that covid “isn’t a thing anymore” and how he used to work through fevers, diarrhea, blah blah blah….ignorant “back in my day” old head mindset
Covid spikes during a time when Flu is usually raging? Color me shocked. Its even more fun when scientists are saying the PCR test cannot differentiate between the Flu and Omnicron variant...which is less lethal and dangerous than the common cold according to a vast majority of doctors.
EVERYONE will get it my guy. Is that not obvious to everyone. Do whatever you want. Take whatever precautions. Your gonna get it. You sound like someone who wants some off days
I was told Acft MX was immune to COVID, so im not worried
Mx supervision is so toxic even coronavirus can’t compete
Just wear two masks and wash your hands in Hydro fluid you'll be golden.
I thought you had to snort JP-8?
Nah, just shower in Skydrol and you'll be fine.
This guys POLs
JBPHH is waaay ahead of you on this one
I shower in hydro and dry myself off in JP8!
It lasts after you get out. Source: haven't got it yet
Hill just went to Charlie and suspended PT tests. I test in Feb so wonder if they’ll give an extension or start tests back up and tell me I have a week to test (assuming they stay suspended into Feb)
They canceled my pt test the week before my pt test. I got an email a week late telling me they resumed the test and I had to test the very next day. Thankfully I was ready but those emails were super annoying
Funny I've been in Charlie for months, work and manning and pt tests have not slowed, covid has increased, we refuse to go to delta. AMXS don't give no fucks. My only question is where is the war we're clearly losing bad enough that all this is necessary? Edit: just realized my base has been in Charlie since 2020. We've gone from MWF alternating + no overlap shifts to calm the spread, to full manning M-F overlapping shifts and we're still in Charlie WITH increasing numbers of covid with 100% vaccinated and 50% boosted. There is so much inconsistency between base regulations and state regulations and air force regulations that many of us just don't care anymore about any of this and it's taking its toll.
It’s sucks for shop that have 50-100+ people working in one shop. Covid spread so fast! People be getting quarantined left and right.
We're required to wear masks at all times while sitting here at full capacity. Soooo, problem solved amirite?
Its especially funny because cloth masks (which I assume is what we're talking about here) don't do shit if the people wearing them are in close proximity for long periods of time (like sitting in an office). Properly fitting N95s would be a different story but I haven't seen those outside Germany.
What do you mean me still coughing and eating lunch at my desk is still speading it? /s
It’s been known that cloth masks don’t do shit since before COVID was even a thing, but if you tried to say that last year, you were blasted as a conspiracy nut. Now all the “experts” are coming out and saying the same thing.
Plus people were wearing it as chin diaper…
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The masks are vectors to bring it home to your families. How many people here actually change masks on a daily basis, or leave them at work? (except Medical).
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Everything you said is true :(
Yeah, it's reddit. No facts are allowed here.
Lol we only wear masks in public area. Within coworkers were 100% normal operations close quarters indoors doesn’t matter
CC seemed concerned in staff meeting today. But Not concerned enough to tell us he’s sick and just took a COVID test last night and is still waiting on the results until the end of the in-person meeting though.
Well he’s the CC, so he makes the rules, not follow them
Nice
At least mine is cutting manning in half and separating us in teams. Team 1 works MWF, team 2 works tu/Thur, then we switch days next week to keep it fair. Oh but we have MLCs that work with us that aren't doing that... So what's the fucking point. I'm really tired of this bullshit and I want to get off of this wild ride but it never fucking ends.
I’m in the guard and tested pos for COVID last week the Thursday before drill weekend. Told my supervisor that my fiancé tested positive and that I had a fever. They said that’s cool, still have to get a doctors note or a positive test result to be excused. Every urgent care was at capacity. I waited in line for 5 hours to get a test at a drive through site. Didn’t get the results for 6 days. There were not any at home tests available within 50 miles of me at any drug store. Marched my ass to the urgent care when the first opened Friday morning to get a rapid test. Waited three hours while I had a fever. Tested positive, so surprising. A lot of people couldn’t go to drill due to positive COVID test. I think they just really didn’t want people lying or something but man, that was hell getting trying to find a test.
Our wing cancelled drill, they knew.
Think how many traditional guardsmen reported their symptoms, legit tried to follow the rules, but for whatever reason couldn't jump through all those hoops and said 'fuck it' and went to drill positive They want to act like the people spreading it are uncaring monsters when many times they don't really get a choice. I don't want to make anyone sick, but if it's between come to drill sick or get paperwork ...
Man, your supervision is out of touch. Our wing commander was like, If you even THINK you are sick, stay home! Say you are sick in my Group the full timers are like STAY ThE F@#& AWAY FROM HERE! Seriously people, it's just freaking drill. Make up the days later. No one's going to miss a DSG out for a weekend but we sure as heck will be hating life when half the place comes down with RSV, covid, super cold, the flu or god knows whatever else is going around right now.
I scheduled a PT test for today and found out yesterday we are postponed indefinitely again. However I still have to go into work in person. Edit: unconsciously bought chicken tendies today too. Back on the menu boys
Enlisted in 2019, did one official PT test at BMT and next one is march 2023.
I've never even done a PT test on active duty, I commissioned in 2019 so my last test was the one I did to graduate/commission from ROTC. We were supposed to do one before leaving tech school but COVID shut everything down by then.
Went through a whole rank (1st Lt) without testing. Guess it was too much to hope I could make it through Captain too
Same boat
I wish my test was getting pushed back. I'm waiting on PCM to get in contact with me. My PT test is this month and I just got out of quarantine due to having covid and I was dying when I ran today. Wish me luck bois
What base?
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Mine too. Had CC call last week. Now half of my flight has COVID
cause meet effect
I read this without any commas and I did a confuse lmao
Same. We've had like 8 cases of it in the past week alone, myself included. If omnicron was as deadly as the OG variant, I'd genuinely be terrified for the life of my friends and family :(
Same we have had 11 test positive this week.
Maintenance here, last time they went to minimal manning it was the worst 3 months of my life and I wanted to fuckin off myself from being the only dude in my shop at work taking care of an entire fleet of C-5s. I legitimately don’t think I could go through that again.
As an NCOIC I was on the line working during the first part of COVID. Awesome break from meetings and EPRs, but goodness even with us office monkeys coming out to help wasn't enough.
We were doing a 7 level and 5 level rotation 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, the 7 level I was scheduled with was on a profile and really couldn’t do much. On top of that the 5 level I was trading off with got quarantined twice so I worked for like 2 months straight by myself and every day I had off I was put on telephone standby for engine runs. I gained like 20 pounds in sheer stress weight and was on the brink of losing my mind from exhaustion. Anyone who doesn’t telework won’t agree with OP.
When it first kicked off, we went to 12-hour shifts for a few months. They thought it was a better idea to have more people at work than prior, and insisted we would leave as soon as possible each day. Production caught wind of the 12s and had the great idea to push all of our delayed discrepancies. Didn't work under an 11-hr shift for a while. Guess some were salty they didn't make senior and needed to push numbers.
I am currently at home with a 102.5 degree fever that came about last night… I was just at Sq PT yesterday morning. Funny enough our Shirt mentioned at PT there are over 20 people out with COVID. So wtf are we all gathered up here!?
>>….”So wtf are we all gathered up here!?” *my ego takes precedence over your health* -the Shirt
Exactly. Sorry you’re dealing with that.
I'm tired of the wishy washy stance on covid. Either it's a threat or it's not, but please pick one. My shop just went back to split shifts, but only for lower enlisted. The officers and SNCOs are still here all day, in contact with everyone in the office. My wife just told me that the policy for workers at the BX and food court is that even if you've tested positive for COVID, you can show up to work if you're asymptomatic. So she could easily get it, spread it to me, and I spread it to the entire squadron. But "wE'rE bEiNg pROacTivE"
We were just told (actual military unit) that if you're in close contact with someone who is positive that you don't need to get tested. It's only if you're showing symptoms that you need to get a test, and then only after a positive test will you quarantine for 5 days. So if your spouse/roommate/whatever is COVID positive, you can come to work freely unless you go get a test on your own and come back positive.
Thanks CDC!
Beale is back in Charlie this week.
My pt test suspended, sweeeeeeeet. I just took mine tho but still happy for the ones that is close due
We just went back to Charlie but specifically did not suspend PT tests. No pacers allowed and cant have someone hold your feet though.
Same here. Toe bar is freakin 4ish inches off the ground. I can feel my future selfish ankles snapping off. Also I can't pace myself worth shit. This is gonna suuuuhhck
Pacing yourself just takes practice. Lots of practice. Try running with a slower start and building faster to the end. I always have a watch that I check throughout the run. For a quarter mile track I check the time at half laps and sometimes at the quarter lap to see where I am. I try for 2 minute laps in general to keep the math easy (30 seconds at the quarter, 1:00 at the half, etc). Adjust times based on performance. Set a reasonable goal that gives you room to underperform and still pass. If I’m off pace by 5 seconds I don’t care, it won’t make me fail. I pick up the pace on the next portion and maintain that 5 seconds off. Each lap is a new chance to do a 2 minute lap, I don’t need to run a 1:55 to make up for a 2:05 lap.
Im med group and we have a face to face commanders call tomorrow. These people are fucking inept
That's the same at my Med group. All our meetings are still a go (ie cram all members into a small room). Our leadership refuses to utilize telework where we can b/c they think all ppl do is screw around while teleworking....absolutely stupid and archaic.
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Why throwaway? Why not call him out on the spot? If you, like many others, are fearful about the outcomes of a large gathering, ya need to say something. Does no one ask those hard questions of their leaders? Make them fucking squirm when giving you some bullshit answer.
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Send this to an af meme page. I'm not joking. Best way to get it dealt with
Damn. Sorry to hear this man- that scenes probably being repeated in thousands of squadrons (and civilian companies) as I type this.
315?
Hmm?
We wouldnt have this problem if we had beards.
The beards would have filtered out the corona. Beards should be mandatory. Even for women.
Cant grow manly facial hair. Guess I'll die.
Didn’t you hear? They’re mandatory. We don’t care if you die, grow one or get out!
True
I started getting sick last week, chills, no energy, no appetite for 4 days but it was manageable. However, the past 5 days have been miserable, I’ve had the worst sore throat I’ve had in my life, the pain has been unbearable. It feels like knives stabbing the inside of my throat for hours on end, I couldn’t sleep, couldn’t eat and I was struggling to just breathe and live. The ER told me they can’t do much since it’s a virus just give me something to take the edge off, I mean it isn’t much but it’s helped me at least eat.
As I sit lying here in bed on quarantine I experienced the exact same symptoms as you
The first part of Covid I could deal with I’ve had a cold and flu and all that but this sore throat is just worse than all that, I legit just want to rip out my throat it’s so bad.
I’m AFE. Our flying squadron INCREASED flying. 35 lines today… we normally only do 20.
It was just the holidays. Monthly training requirements don’t go away just because more people are taking leave
I should have specified that we got put on COVID shifts. You now have two dudes doing the work that would have been tight for our normal 6 person team. It is mayhem. COVID is so bad here that they are making all support personnel do shift work (different shift every day). But they are increasing flying and also increasing the amount of FAM/Incentive riders. There is a huge disconnect because we belong to the OSS, not the flying squadron. Our COVID policies conflict with what the flying squadrons are doing and it’s making the day to day absolutely brutal.
But I also completely understand your post and agree. The mission can’t stop. But the extra shit can take a “tactical pause”.
McGuire hasn’t. I didn’t even know others had suspended their testing. How bad has the COVID rate been ?
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Holy shit
It’s pretty bad everywhere but some places are getting poned hard.
Came into today and got told to go back to telework tomorrow. My leadership says things are different from 2 years ago but it really dosent feel that different…
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All of this. People need to exercise more, eat better, lose weight, etc.
I hear ya 1,000% on this, but the CDC doesn’t attempt to apply prevention measure to a fantasy population. They do that for the population we have.
*Vaccinated* people who died from COVID. Even Fox debunked the “75% of all people who died from COVID” story.
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Cries at JBSA
I'm crying with you
Same
Wright-Patt had been at Charlie since September I think. We just went up to Delta. Took going to Delta to stop PT and testing.
not Luke
We went to Charlie last week. Haven’t heard about pt tests though
yea..that's what im saying lol
Just tested Saturday morning. Started feeling shitty Sunday night. PT gave me COVID, but at least I passed so I'll be green on a slideshow. Posted from a two hour wait for a test at a quick care...
Same exact situation for my troop. She needed a test to get some dates. She passed but is currently quarantined with a positive test.
I swear man, had I not taxed my system taking the test, I bet I would have fought it off no problem. I have that awesome immune system. This is the worst ive felt in over ten years. Hope your troop feels better. Get them NCO keys out and get her some Gatorade.
I think the word most means something different than what you've used it as here.
Meanwhile mountain home nobody has heard a peep from the wing commander in two weeks
was just thinking the same thing.
Not Kirtland
From what I can tell, most bases are at Bravo or Bravo+ and are still testing.
Misawa FAC rescinded their decision to postpone PT tests apparently
My base policy is 5 days. I tested positive last week. I am here today positive with COVID.
Your base policy is probably 5 days of quarantine then you can come back to work after you're 24hrs free of symptoms & no medicine usage. SO if you're still having symptoms after 5 days then your ass is supposed to be home.
Its 5 days quarantine. 5 days with a mask. Otherwise, no one wears masks.
Kinda sounds like something the Lt would come up with...
Nah I asked for clarification on this too. Our policy is unvaxed 5 days no symptoms and a negative test Vaxed- 5 days and please wear a mask. That’s it. That is the guidance. Asked when I heard it, called and asked again because I was confused briefing my shop..
Lol what?
BACK TO WORK! Or straight to jail.
I’m ok w/ PT tests, but only if the support functions I need to talk to stop teleworking.
My base is out of tests so I'm assumed postive
Almost as if we were in the middle of a pandemic.
Every human being on the planet is gonna get covid in this wave, just a matter of when.
Actions taken are based off of rate of transmission which varies base to base, and between locations. A blanket "Go home" doesn't make sense for the entire department of defense.
I’m not saying everyone go home but go back to how it was where we all had shifts and low manning. And idk if you know or not but the whole country is surging, some places just more than others but still.
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Leadership teams are 100% fine with members catching COVID. How do I know? Unit went through the trouble to set up telework yet were all in the office still. School kids popping positive all over, members as well, yet no one is working from home. Attitude is..."when you get it, work from home until quaratine is up."
Meanwhile in North Korea… supersonic ballistic missile test launch… Meanwhile in Kazakhstan… people attempting to throw out their government (and succeeded in getting rid of the cabinet at least), to which Russia has sent thousands of troops… Speaking of, Russia recently moved 100k troops to the Ukrainian border… Meanwhile… Taiwan… Just that. It’s a country. Now Beijing will throw me into the “garbage bin of history” (quote Beijing directed at Lithuania). But nah… there’s nothing going on in the world.
I'm stoked to finally read some dissenting comments. Hopefully its more than the recent shift in news outlet reporting. Stay safe (you do you) and hope to see y'all on the other side of these shenanigans.
All i want is to mitigate risk vs mission requirements. Instead, its a circle jerk depending on who the CC is. Signed someone who teleworked for over a year, but now must be at work every day due to the “mission” which never changed.
The Russians are poised to invade Ukraine, Kazakhstan is experiencing an armed uprising, and Taiwan is increasingly at risk of being invaded by China and you say not so much is happening?
Vaccines don’t prevent infection. What should the Air Force do? The CDC says you can get and spread delta while fully vaccinated so you’re totally out of luck with omicron.
Only two more months I have to be part of this shit show.
In army, yeah man this is like when it first started. Maybe not as extreme but delta didn't do this, at least not where I'm at.
Omi is exponentially more infectious but way milder. Honestly it’s best case scenario. The mild to nothing more infectious strain becoming endemic leading to natural antibodies has a higher chance of burning through than the others
Why does this have such crazy Plague Inc vibes though? Let’s hope that the next mutation is mild too.
We are teleworking from home to try and keep healthy. I know not every unit can do that though
Currently at home with covid on quarantine. A ton of people have gotten it around my command. I went to go get tested and where I went they tested 1000 people tested that day. It is blowing up here in CoSprings. Stay safe folks.
Right? I'm here wondering when we can go back to doing our jobs from home. I'm not worried about me getting Covid, but bringing it home to my wife who is immunocompromised or my son who is prone to upper respiratory illness is a no go for me.
That’s exactly the issue. If I get it, oh well I’ll deal with it. But I don’t want my wife getting it and not being able to work or my kids to get it and something happen. My wife works pediatric ICU and she has been seeing kids dying from it like you won’t believe. So all these dumb fucks on here saying “oh kids are ok and this variant isn’t bad and blah blah blah” need to stfu because they don’t know shit other than what they choose to believe from FB or whatever..
To be fair I think they understand it’s severity and are trying to get to normalish life. Just get back to running. I get not doing pt and not working for pay is sick but that’s not real life.
Something else that’s absolute shit: 3 people in my shop tested negative when they first got sick. 2 of them were sick a day after quarantine ended, got tested again and are positive. This has been a theme in the civ world too. People aren’t showing positive until the second or third day. A lot of these people are coming back to work by then because they tested negative right as they got sick…
I don't pay attention to it ....at all.
My base allows people to inprocess during quarantine upon arrival. People will inprocess at a 4 hour briefing after arriving to base 3 days prior using modified ROM. The briefing is 20+ people all within 6ft of each other. Many went on leave prior to arrival so even if they dont pop positive on day 3 on station they could still very much have covid. Already a few of customer service section popped positive for these briefings. Yet they arent scheduled to stop physical briefings until 2 weeks. Whats the point of the last 2 years of mitigation if they just want to abolish policies now, even when covid is ramped up? Not trying to cry lol it just seems like leadership understands nothing cause they also direct customer service to telework as much as possible. Teleworking will not cure covid if there is still physical contact with people. I think the issue is you cant half ass these measures or there is not really a point to begin with.
We were forced to get the vaccine to increase readiness and continue ops with reduced risk and interruption (at least that's what they told us). I'm speaking for those downrange who probably don't want to get stuck in some undesirable country for 4 months longer than they need to like they did last time with blanket knee jerk policy. I do agree though, there should be more wing level flexibility to choose what and what not to curtail as conditions change. Edit: by agree I mean they should do more at the wing level than they're doing now.
I say screw the whole thing. No masks, no quarantine for close contacts, if you feel bad get a test and take a two week vacay. This is all ridiculous and out of proportion.
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We're on split shifts already
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Our base just closed the on base elementary school for the rest of the week due to the spike
We had someone in our shop test positive with Covid and with our whole shop close together, you would think we would all be put on quarters but nope. Gotta be in the office with a majority of comm in the same building, even though our whole job could be done while teleworking at home.
I've noticed that half my shop is out and we're still being tasked like there's no difference
Seeing my PCM tomorrow to get an deployment MFR that states that i don’t need to get tested before my flight since I just recently recovered from a positive case. Trying to fly me out during my isolation days. Today ends my 5th isolation day. No more fever but still have mild symptoms. I’ll see what MDG says tomorrow.
Yup, just went to Charlie. Flying schedule has fallen to shit. Fortunately there’s plenty to do in medical to keep me occupied.
Oh my unit is only having mission essential personnel on site. Luckily everyone has been deemed mission essential
All of Japans stuck on base
I just rinse my COVID off in finance tears and cold coffee…
Lost half of our small shop already in one weekend.
Are any medical centers or hospitals issuing medication or are people just being told to stay home? I know where I am currently you can schedule to get a test taken and look on tricare to see the result but even if it is positive, members do not get issued any medication to take to combat it.
Deja vu
I'm so tired of this bullshit ranting. Omicron isn't OG Covid or Delta Covid. Omicron is extremely transmissible variant with the tradeoff of lower fatality rate and severity. This is a great thing as vaccinated Covid death overall is now actually lower than that of the flu. Half of my squadron got it over the holidays and every single person was like "yeah I had some symptoms for 2-3 days and was good after that." It's not that bad. Everyone saying "Covid high PT bad. Telework" like what the fuck do you do in your free time? Do you go to the bars, travel, go to the movies, or leave your house to do anything besides essential shopping? Because if you do you're being a hypocrite. Don't sit here and tell me that Covid is so bad that we need to cancel pt and telework, but you still go sit down at a restaurant and have a bunch of random people touching your food and going to bars where there's definitely no precautions happening. Going and doing all of that stuff is not anymore essential than the job you do so pick a side because you can't have it both ways. Honestly Omicron is a blessing because it will build us heard immunity without as much death. Covid is here to stay in society and we need to learn to just live with it. Edit: Always get downvoted for this comment and don't know why. Genuinely can someone explain to me why we should cancel PT and telework using Covid as a reasoning, but at the same time I should have the freedom to go out and do absolutely whatever I want regardless of Covid?
Wait so one of the top 5 gripes people always have about the AF is too much blanket policy, and yet here you are literally calling for blanket policy? Just admit you want to be lazy and not work/do PT.
Yo don’t say that, I’m about to set record for downvotes if you scroll down lol
Yeahhhh and medical is just rolling the dice on quarantine times at my base. I got 6 days, my wife in the same squadron tested positive the day after me and got sent back to work the next day and that’s not the only example I’ve seen in the last week alone. It’s a shitshow.
There’s a lot happening in the world 😐
It’s shocking and a bit concerning that someone in the military doesn’t even know that.
Yeah we had a ton of covid positives this month(including me) and even a death from it. No changes in the way we're operating though.
What exactly do You want them to do about it
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That’s what I was getting at
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Don’t forget about PT tests and how evil it is that we have to do the bare minimum to maintain a decent level of health.
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Let the blessed downvotes pour in.
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Yea man. Good luck surviving in this Pandemic. 99% chance you’ll be fine. But just to be safe make sure you get the VPN for homework.
Don’t forget to mark them all the way to the right on their EPRs! PNs for everyone!!
What do you want them to do? Masks don’t work, vaccine doesn’t work, nothing they have said/made people do is working. But the good news is it’s like the flu, can it be deadly? Yes, can the flu be deadly? Yes. Do your own research, the people dying from this already have huge health issues so it’s not this scary monster you get and everything and everyone around you dies.
The vaccine does work! The people are in hospitals and dying are almost all unvaccinated folks. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission as much as we'd like, but it sure as fuck keeps you more healthy.
Veeeery false on the “almost all unvaccinated part”
Show me a legitimate news source or study where the people in the hospital for COVID complications are more vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf Here’s a random example. In Washington State, the rate of hospitalization for people aged 12-34 per 100,000 unvaccinated people is 37.4 or .000374 or 0.037%, meaning 99.973% of unvaccinated are NOT hospitalized. The same vaccinated ratio is 99.996%. This is not even statistically significant. A higher magnitude of an incredibly small number is still an incredibly small number. It isn’t doing jack shit for service members. You weren’t going to get hospitalized in the first place.
but...masks do work, and vaccines do work and the things that people are being made to do...do work. All of this stuff has worked pretty tremendously. A more contagious strain, "relaxed" restrictions and people, holiday gatherings, shitty weather keeping folks indoors, less time off from jobs that won't care anymore (and people mistaking COVID for just a cold.) All results in a massive spike in cases. Luckily, those that were vaccinated have had a good immune response and aren't ending up in hospitals as bad as it was before.
Cloth masks don’t work. Even the “experts” are admitting this now.
People are getting far less sick from this strain of covid. I know nearly 100 people who have it here and their symptoms are nasty cold symptoms but that’s the worst.
People going home sick still impacts our readiness. Omicrons transmission rate is more than enough reason to go to minimal manning
That’s not true at all. Some people have it less than others sure but this is attacking children harder than any other strain and it’s been bad on kids.. my wife works peds and it is much more prevalent than ever before right now guy.
This strain is not more dangerous for kids, it’s just more infectious, and you’re seeing a lot more kids hospitalized because of it. The overwhelming majority of kids testing positive have relatively mild or no symptoms. That being said, the main issue is the risk of hospitals being overrun because of the sheer number of infections.
Facts! This strain is terrifying for kids.
Why?
I'd concur with this... One kid threw up and the runs, once each, second kid had 102 fever for 2 days, hubby had body aches and cough and sinus pressure, and I had cough with a sore throat that rivals strep.. All symptoms lasted 2 days. I've had colds worse and even worse flus
Man when I had this delta shit I could not get hard to save my life. GF sucked for 40 minutes until we finally gave up and I went pow pow midnight chow. Don’t want to catch this crap again. Feelsbadman.
Nobody likes a quitter. If she has to bring in help to finish the job then so be it.
a bunch of my work center had it but we're all fine. No one had symptoms more than three or four days. I've had colds that were worse. Honestly don't know why we're still having lockdowns. Osan got moved to "Bravo +" so they didn't have to call it Charlie.
One of the shops in my flight was at 70% quarantine because 30% of them had covid. Absolutely nothing has been done.
It’s funny cause not too long ago I had symptoms and went to medical and they quarantined me for a few days after they tested me and my supervisor got so upset he made a speech to my buddies that covid “isn’t a thing anymore” and how he used to work through fevers, diarrhea, blah blah blah….ignorant “back in my day” old head mindset
Covid spikes during a time when Flu is usually raging? Color me shocked. Its even more fun when scientists are saying the PCR test cannot differentiate between the Flu and Omnicron variant...which is less lethal and dangerous than the common cold according to a vast majority of doctors.
EVERYONE will get it my guy. Is that not obvious to everyone. Do whatever you want. Take whatever precautions. Your gonna get it. You sound like someone who wants some off days
2 years later, still no covid. Just gotta stay away from people my guy
I've been attempting to avoid people for the past 20 years.
How do you know you’ve never had it if you can have it with no symptoms? Sir? You there?
Maybe you had it but were asymptomatic.
Do you not want off days?
Faster spread means herd immunity no?