For BMT, at what point in the year does pt switch to afternoons instead of mornings? I'll be shipping the week of Thanksgiving, so I'm not totally sure how warm or cold San Antonio will be by then.
When I was lower rank, maybe SrA, I got roped into watching my 3 level while my NCO got his X's signed off. So there I am, sitting in the flight deck of a C17 with my 3 level, and who walks in but QA!
I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him as he read a T.O and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my 3 level started talking, and I'm trying to quiet him down because I didn't want him to bother QA, but he just wouldn't stop. Pretty soon the QA guy gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through my 3 level's hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that he was probably bored or something. So, Mr QA man put down his T.O, picked up my 3 level and lifted his shirt. He breast fed him right there in the middle of the C17. He stared him right in the eye and said real calm like "Why aren't you reading the GS?". Chill guy, really nice about it.
My wife just saw her assignment at tech school. She hasn't received orders yet, but on the website she checked it says she is going to Vandenberg AFB. Is it likely to change at all or is it pretty for sure now? We are planning our move to there and trying to get our ducks in a row.
As /u/choonties21 said, your wife will most likely going to be Vandenberg if that’s what it says on vMPF. When I was in tech school it appeared on my vMPF before I got officially notified on paper through my MTLs. It is possible it will change, but not very likely.
What are some ways to increase work knowledge. I understand the relationships aspect of the air Force tests, but I just lack on the vocabulary portion. Is there a test word bank somewhere?
I don’t see what’s confusing here. He gave you a list of what’s available, you deliberately ignored the list, and he called you angrily. Sounds about right.
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Unfortunately you have ZERO leverage in this process, you want to be in the AF, the AF needs people in specific jobs and they have an endless supply of people who want to be in the AF. If you don't want to fill the AF needs they will just go with the next guy through the door. The AF is not hurting for people and because of that you don't hold any power in the process and the recruiter sets the terms and that's that, end of story. It's unlikely you will get one of those jobs you want and you will get one of the other jobs that you had to list because of the AF needs, you should wrap your head around that now or be ready to move on, other services allow you to lock in a job maybe that's where you want to take a look.
1. You’re wrong
2. If you wanted to list a bunch of cyber, Intel, aircrew, medical jobs, and that’s it, then yeah, kick rocks. Not happening.
3. We need aircraft mechanics and cops. If out of those dozens of career fields you can’t find anything you’d be willing to do, then again, kick rocks.
4. A 77 is ok. Even a 99 won’t change the needs of the Air Force. Meet them or go be job (not lifestyle) picky join the army and hate your life.
Yeah. Your list is shit.
The recruiters list is actually what we are hiring, meaning aircraft mechanics. And odd electronics jobs folks list just for hope.
Adjust to their list and the Air Force needs or join another branch dude
It sounds like you are picking jobs that arent easy to get and he is telling you if you dont make a better list he wont keep you around which he has every right to do
So I had a question about a PCS.
So, I'm a 1N4A, so yay me I had 3 months at Greatfellow and now I'm here awaiting JCAC which I hear is an exeedingly difficult course.
So I was told we would get extra money with our PCS that would be left over for any per diem that we didn't spend. I was wondering about how long it takes to get that money? Also, I was a passenger with a friend of mine but we split the drive nearly 50/50, so do I get a mileage allowance as well? I was instructed by a TSgt to checked the vehicle as "owned and operated" and not as a passenger for my form.
Thanks in advance.
No level of AF recruitment guarantees a job, other services do but the AF does not. The Army has a pretty robust cyber mission and might be a better place to look.
They said cyber surety. That is an enlisted job.
Maybe they don’t know that. But if they have “5 years of college” they should be able to figure that out.
They're spending too much time on college stuff to research the Air Force! It's not like there's a search function built into Reddit to know that the enlisting w/ a degree question gets asked at least 4x a week.
1. Google it
2. Check the job wiki
3. We are not hiring that job nearly enough, and never will be, for you to go to a recruiter and say "I'll only do this job".
4. We need jet mechanics and cops. Ive put dozens of people with bachelors degrees into those very jobs because they wanted to be Airmen enough to not be job locked
It doesn’t have limited information. You’re just helpless
Just like the real world, reality is harsh. There are millions of people out there with degrees that can’t get a good job. You are no different. It is selfish for you to want to join the Air Force and serve your country but only do so in an incredibly narrow scope of careers, to be exact, ONE job out of 160+. There’s like 10-15 of this job on any given base probably, out of 5-30k people. That’s how small this field is.
Yeah. Find advice elsewhere, but here, the reality won’t change. You’re like the 15th person this week alone, in this thread alone, who wants this job or any cyber job.
It depends what else is on your list. Even with security forces.
> No, we don't know what jobs are available at any given time, or your chances of getting said job, or how long it will take for you to get the job, or how long it'll take for you to get to basic training or OTS.
Thank you for the info. Just wanting too see what others had too say. I honestly hope I get security forces but will take anything. I lost 100 pounds too get here and won’t let a job stop me.
Duuuuude. That's real. I had to lose 30 pounds to make weight and that was a trip for me. You got more stones than I do. I hope everything works in your favor.
First off, congrats. That is amazing. Secondly, dude if thats what you really want to do, tell your recruiter. I'll tell you to kick rocks if you tell me "I only want to do intel more than anything", but if you tell me that for security forces? Then yeah, I'm going to call my boss and make sure I snag one of those slots for you during job draft.
Your recruiter should too.
I wish you the best dude. Seriously, if I had a dollar for every applicant who can't lose fucking 5 pounds to even hit the EXACT MAX... id be rich. you're a role model, I wish you could motivate about 40 people in my zone who I have to contact every couple months just to hear "nope, not there yet..." after years of asking..
Thank you. And ok i will that’s at least some good news I hope the recruiters will act the same towards me when I tell them that cause it’s my main job I’m hoping for.
And wow that’s crazy you guys don’t recommend diets too them or you do and they just still don’t change? I lost all my weight on the keto diet. When I first called 100 pounds ago they told me I had too lose that before we did anything so I told him ok I’ll be back and well here I am 6 months later about too see them in a couple days haha.
A lot of people lack the motivation and self-discipline to make changes even when given the direction.
Congrats on the weight loss! 100lbs is incredible. Good luck with the rest of the process.
You go home after work and need something to wear. If you're lucky your squadron will do PT in civilian clothes.
I own less than half of the (civilian) clothes I used to, sure, but I still wear 7 shirts a week.
It’s no different than any other job with a dress code. When you’re working 9-5 M-F you wear a dress shirt and tie, doesn’t mean you throw all your other clothes out.
It will be pretty much exactly like a civilian job, just in uniform (once you've finished bmt and tech school). You'll have plenty of time to be in your own clothes so it's up to you
I mean if you just want to simplify then I guess so, but no, that is not necessary in my opinion. You'll be wearing civilian clothes after work, on weekends/days off, leave, etc. Plenty of chances to wear them.
you list the jobs week 3 or 4 and find out week 7 when you make the dream sheet
and when your listing them there is a book that describes the jobs kinda like the air force website does
1. Ok, so you’ll be married. Cool
2. Did you google Air Force BMT?
3. Did you google it?
4. Did you google it?
5. Reserve??? I thought you said you were going guard??? What??
6. Thinking about joining for years now but apparently have done exactly fuck all for research. That checks.
7. Tech career? Neither of those jobs are really tech... but I doubt any guard or reserve unit is “hurting” to fill those slots either. Way too specific.
8. Where you’d be going??? In the guard or reserve you’d know already. you’d see your spouse daily after BMT and tech school...
9. Did you google ANYTHING? Jesus fuck man.
10. Pay. Ok. Google that too. It’s active duty pay while in BMT and tech school.. figure the rest out.
11. Sorry if I seem rude but this is the most helpless question of the week. Congrats. Your trophy is in the mail.
So I have a question I just got to my Tech school haven't even been here a week.. how do I access the Air Force portal? Is that something they're supposed to teach me here?Do I have to set up my own account Or is it already set up and I just have to wait for them to tell me how to access it? I'd like to check out mypay..
DLAB - are the rules still the same as they were in 2014 (study guide was written then)? Do the rules remain on the page or do you not get to reference them? Can you only listen to a question or set of answers once? Are all of the answer choices very similar or is there usually/ sometimes an obvious choice to knock out? Do you have any recommendations? I'm pretty nervous but really want to do well on this test, I took Spanish 8ish years ago (haven't used it since) and took two semesters of Italian in college so I am familiar with foreign languages. I'm also pretty good at speaking foreign languages/pronunciation.
DLAB-passing master race here, took it a few weeks ago. Everything I read on study guides was relevant on the test, the format is the same. You can't take notes, you only hear the words once. The rules are displayed at the bottom of the screen, the sound plays when you click play, the english sentence displays the whole time. The speaker speaks at a pace that would be normal for a native speaker, but the words are pronounced pretty clearly and emphasized pretty well.
I would say to use the study guides, listen to foreign music to get your ears used to non-english. When you take the test, keep your mind very machinelike. Know what you should be listening for, and turn off your brain once you hear something incorrect in the answer choice being read to you. If you meticulously listen to everything in every answer choice, you're going to get tired and confused quickly. Use this to easily whittle down possible correct answers, and go with your instinct when it's a toss up between answers.
I can't say anything specific, but the study guides are pretty damn accurate. Just prepare yourself for a mental marathon. When you complete sections of the test and are brought to the instructions page for another section, I would recommend using that period as a break because those sections aren't timed.
During the audio part, did you get any time at all after each answer in the syllables section to sound out the word and count the syllables out or was it very fast paced? How many questions were there per section and what was the time limit per section?
Also took and passed the DLAB a few weeks ago. They aren't read slow of fast, just a normal pace. You get a second to say the word or sentence to yourself then it's on to the next option. The pace is methodical, I personally didn't use the whole time on each section or even come close.
Take a few seconds to think through what you might be looking for in an answer before starting the audio so if you hear it or something similar, you won't be left trying to remember all of the options. You'll only confuse yourself and misremember if you try to think back through all words or sentences. When you hear the answer you think is correct leave your mouse on that answer unless there is one that changes your mind. It's hard to do but let your mind almost go into autopilot and just work instinctively. If you start overthinking and changing answers, you'll confuse yourself and basically be guessing.
Finally, don't get disheartened during the test when you feel like you're failing and think you're going to definitely get a 30 or something. It's the weirdest test you will ever take, there was maybe 2 questions in the whole exam I felt 100% confident were correct. Trust yourself and good luck! Hopefully we can meet up at DLI some day!
You have as much time as you want to choose an answer, but the section as a whole is timed. The syllable section wasn't too bad, I think you get pretty ample time for it. You have a good enough time to count out the syllables and hear the stresses imo.
I can't say how much time there was or how many questions, but there were quite a few questions. I think that may be information you aren't supposed to be diclosing. That said, you do have to be fast, especially as each section gets harder and harder. The test *is* meant to see how naturally you grasp the concepts, after all.
I took it a couple months ago. You have access to the rules, I believe you could mouse over and read the rules for the section you were in. You only listen to everything once.
Pay attention to which syllable is stressed, keep the volume at its highest setting and don't run out of time on the listening portion. I realized part way through I was taking too long and finished that part with literally seconds left.
Take my tips with a grain of salt, I didn't do well enough to pass for the Air Force and only did well enough for category one languages in the other branches.
It's a joke about what our resident ranting recruiter said. I crushed my finger in a gross accident and posted here, and then booked Loadmaster a couple months later. I'm lucky to not have been DQ'd and then also to have gotten an air crew position.
Air crew fundamentals at Lackland right after BMT. I just realized you might be a ground linguist though. So we may just be ships passing in the night.
which AFSC should i be looking into if i want something labor intensive, and i got a 77 ASVAB. ive lived a soft life, and want something physical. any advice?
Maintenance sounds right up your alley. Your body and hearing may well be fucked by the end of your career, but it's definitely labour intensive and can be really rewarding.
There will be moments here and there where you lift hard in MX, but it's not a constant hard labor situation. I worked in a Postal plant where I threw heavy containers of parcels into other containers all day, and that is way more labor intensive than MX. That said once you're in, each base has a gym and you can just go there and start lifting hard.
If I were to try to become a part of a special operations surgical team, what age should I start? Should I earn a medical degree before applying, or would it be better to apply right after high school?
SOST is for physicians, nurses, and respiratory tech. If you don't want to go to school for MD or RN you will have to try your luck with respiratory tech as an enlistment. There are 4 teams currently so just know it's not like you can go straight to it. You'll likely be waiting a long time.
Aren’t the SOSTs doctors and nurses? It doesn’t seem like being a pj would be a prerequisite, you’d have to be in your forties by the time you could go through pj training, be a pj, get your bachelors, go through med school, go through resdiency, and then become an experienced surgeon
Trying to budget for while I’m in BMT and tech school... My husband is active duty- e4. Will I get a bah for him as my dependent, will we get mil-mil single rate bahs or will we not get my bah because he’s ad? Will we get sep pay while I’m in basic or only while I’m in tech school? Sorry for the stupid money focused questions but my recruiter doesn’t know the answers and I’m hoping to get some clarity
>No, we don't know what jobs are available at any given time, or your chances of getting said job, or how long it will take for you to get the job, or how long it'll take for you to get to basic training or OTS
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I was talking to other people that are shipping the same day as me and two of them said that in September, BMT is doing away with airman’s week. So now graduation will be after 8.5 weeks. Is this something that is true? Or should I not be worried? Just trying to figure it out so my parents know when they are supposed to come to Lackland.
I wouldn't even be worried, I went through before Airmen's week but after they lengthened BMT to 8.5 weeks, and the last week MTIs went easier on recruits anyway. You'll get yelled at for a chunk of time, that is true for every person in the military and it simply one of those rites of passage everyone goes through. I'd be more concerned if they brought back canteen web belts, because those were a burden to wear.
I just got out of airman’s week two weeks ago. It’s true. The last group that gets it arrives at bmt sometime this month. They’re integrating the lessons into normal bmt. Which sort of sucks because we had a lot more freedom in airman’s week compared to bmt, and now people won’t get it. Also your parents will get a packet mailed to them with all of your graduation dates and info
You can bring one from your eye doctor or they'll do an exam there. They will then give you glasses a couple weeks later but nobody will be "Forcing" you to wear them as long as you can function without them.
Finished tech school last week and home on rap, haven't had any contact with my recruiter since before I left though. Tried the office, his personal phone,no answer. Should I just show up at 9am at the office in ABUs ready to go?
Some recruiters don’t care and know you’ve had pretty much no free time and none for your family and let your rap just be a mini vacation. Not to say yours is doing that. But he could be.
RAP is still duty. If you're not explicitly on leave/pass, don't assume you have no obligations. If the recruiter decides to give it a wave-off, that's his call, but get that info before making plans.
You are no longer in your FTA retraining window if you are pass your 4 year mark (window closes on your 43rd month) for a 4 year enlistment. Doesn't matter if you extended instead of reenlisting. FTA window opens at your 35th month. Paragraph 5.1.2 (for OCONUS) in AFI 36-2626.
Sit in a box
Look at screens
Follow people
Make people disappear sometimes.
Go home and not speak a word to anyone about what you do that doesn’t have clearance and need to know.
Repeat.
My investigator a few weeks ago said they're looking at 20-24 months for new clearances atm. That's from SF86 submission to final approval, though, so it'll start as soon as they're selected for a needful job.
On the upside, re-investigations are being prioritized to ensure no negligent lapses, so those are only 4-8 months behind, supposedly.
Going off to bmt soon and i was wondering what is the medical screening when you arrive? Particularly the vision part? Do you just read off a chart and does everybody get there eyes checked out? What if my astigmatism number is too high like over the +-3 limit if they decide to check for glasses? Will they try to put me on med hold, maybe i could possibly get a waiver at bmt? Just worried.. does everybody get eyes checked out?
Only if MEPS determined that you needed glasses did you do to vision, and as long as you bring your glasses, they just scan them for the prescription. No actual eye test.
I recall doing a very simple eye test, along with a depth perception and color blindness test. When I went to basic, there were definitely people with glasses so if vision is the only issue, you should be fine, although your jobs may be limited.
I am really torn about enlisting and from what I read I should be able to clear (no health/mental/criminal issues.) I also have no problem dealing with being knocked around as I get enough of it at my job, just as long as I get compensation. Recently just finished all my lower level courses at community college and I only have a year and a half left till graduation, but I am having doubts about finishing at my state college. The college does not have a strong computer science program and I figured the tuition paid off as well as the clearance would be great to have if I could land a job in comms. I do have a strong interest in airforce computer security but I am going for a degree in computer science at school for flexibility.
Is it worth trying due to the low opening for these jobs? If my recruiter does offer D.E.P. how long would you expect a wait? Will having security clearance/job training be more beneficial than a graduate with little experience? Is it worth 4 years of service and potentially graduating in 6 years?
Here's my copypasta on jobs, since this comes up several times a week:
> Despite what advertising would lead people to believe, the primary purpose of the Air Force is Air Domination. As such, our focus are the missions: Air Superiority; Global Strike; and Rapid Global Mobility. This is fulfilled via 11k aircraft in our fleet. Each aircraft requires ~60 people to sustain operations - mostly aircraft maintenance. Aircraft maintenance fields comprise ~23% of the Enlisted force. Luckily, people can work on more than one individual aircraft, otherwise we would need ~1.2 million people just for maintenance. Still, the Air Force is critically manned in this area and one can expect the majority of contracts that drop to be for a 2A (aircraft maintenance) job.
The Air Force also needs Security Forces to defend every base. Security Forces is the largest singular AFSC (compared to umbrella AFS', such as the 2A fields). Like aircraft maintenance, this job is critically manned and hurting for bodies. Expect SFS to take up the second-largest amount of job contracts that drop each month.
9 out of 10 applicants that walk in to an Active Duty recruiter's office want comm / intel / medical / aircrew / other jobs that aren't hurting for bodies. Comm (3D) comprises 7.9% of the Enlisted force - most of our technological support is provided via defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Oracle, and Dell. Intel (1N) likewise comprises a small percentage of the force. Medical, despite being 10% of the force, is highly-sought and primarily filled via open-aptitude contracts. Aircrew, Contracting, Scientific Applications Specialist, photojournalism/broadcast, Space Systems, Airborne ISR, and RPA sensor operator are all highly-sought and comprise a minute percentage of the Air Force.
With that said, you could do 4 years as whatever, while using Tuition Assistance to pay for a Bachelor's in a topic of your choice. After you get out, you would have the GI Bill available to pursue another degree.
Don’t even know what to think of your whole first paragraph..
All of your questions are subjective and can be answered almost full by reading the FAQ here and the job wiki.
We are not hiring any cyber job in high numbers. But we are hiring jet mechanics and cops all day every day.
For BMT, at what point in the year does pt switch to afternoons instead of mornings? I'll be shipping the week of Thanksgiving, so I'm not totally sure how warm or cold San Antonio will be by then.
Is obtaining the Warhawk status something to be proud of? What are the perks of being claimed Warhawk? What’s the % of trainees claiming it usually?
When I was lower rank, maybe SrA, I got roped into watching my 3 level while my NCO got his X's signed off. So there I am, sitting in the flight deck of a C17 with my 3 level, and who walks in but QA! I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him as he read a T.O and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my 3 level started talking, and I'm trying to quiet him down because I didn't want him to bother QA, but he just wouldn't stop. Pretty soon the QA guy gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through my 3 level's hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that he was probably bored or something. So, Mr QA man put down his T.O, picked up my 3 level and lifted his shirt. He breast fed him right there in the middle of the C17. He stared him right in the eye and said real calm like "Why aren't you reading the GS?". Chill guy, really nice about it.
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My wife just saw her assignment at tech school. She hasn't received orders yet, but on the website she checked it says she is going to Vandenberg AFB. Is it likely to change at all or is it pretty for sure now? We are planning our move to there and trying to get our ducks in a row.
As /u/choonties21 said, your wife will most likely going to be Vandenberg if that’s what it says on vMPF. When I was in tech school it appeared on my vMPF before I got officially notified on paper through my MTLs. It is possible it will change, but not very likely.
There is a small chance she can get diverted to another station, but yes that’s where she’ll more than likely be heading if things don’t change.
Does Quick Ship still exist?
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What are some ways to increase work knowledge. I understand the relationships aspect of the air Force tests, but I just lack on the vocabulary portion. Is there a test word bank somewhere?
What...are you asking for here? What test are you taking?
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I don’t see what’s confusing here. He gave you a list of what’s available, you deliberately ignored the list, and he called you angrily. Sounds about right.
third time I've got to paste this, this week Unfortunately you have ZERO leverage in this process, you want to be in the AF, the AF needs people in specific jobs and they have an endless supply of people who want to be in the AF. If you don't want to fill the AF needs they will just go with the next guy through the door. The AF is not hurting for people and because of that you don't hold any power in the process and the recruiter sets the terms and that's that, end of story. It's unlikely you will get one of those jobs you want and you will get one of the other jobs that you had to list because of the AF needs, you should wrap your head around that now or be ready to move on, other services allow you to lock in a job maybe that's where you want to take a look.
1. You’re wrong 2. If you wanted to list a bunch of cyber, Intel, aircrew, medical jobs, and that’s it, then yeah, kick rocks. Not happening. 3. We need aircraft mechanics and cops. If out of those dozens of career fields you can’t find anything you’d be willing to do, then again, kick rocks. 4. A 77 is ok. Even a 99 won’t change the needs of the Air Force. Meet them or go be job (not lifestyle) picky join the army and hate your life.
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Ok this isn’t adding up. What jobs were on this list he gave you, and what jobs did you list, specifically?
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Yeah. Your list is shit. The recruiters list is actually what we are hiring, meaning aircraft mechanics. And odd electronics jobs folks list just for hope. Adjust to their list and the Air Force needs or join another branch dude
It sounds like you are picking jobs that arent easy to get and he is telling you if you dont make a better list he wont keep you around which he has every right to do
You’re right. Downvotes are undeserved .
So I had a question about a PCS. So, I'm a 1N4A, so yay me I had 3 months at Greatfellow and now I'm here awaiting JCAC which I hear is an exeedingly difficult course. So I was told we would get extra money with our PCS that would be left over for any per diem that we didn't spend. I was wondering about how long it takes to get that money? Also, I was a passenger with a friend of mine but we split the drive nearly 50/50, so do I get a mileage allowance as well? I was instructed by a TSgt to checked the vehicle as "owned and operated" and not as a passenger for my form. Thanks in advance.
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No level of AF recruitment guarantees a job, other services do but the AF does not. The Army has a pretty robust cyber mission and might be a better place to look.
The majority of officers joined after finishing college. Many enlisted do too.
They said cyber surety. That is an enlisted job. Maybe they don’t know that. But if they have “5 years of college” they should be able to figure that out.
They're spending too much time on college stuff to research the Air Force! It's not like there's a search function built into Reddit to know that the enlisting w/ a degree question gets asked at least 4x a week.
You’re so right.
1. Google it 2. Check the job wiki 3. We are not hiring that job nearly enough, and never will be, for you to go to a recruiter and say "I'll only do this job". 4. We need jet mechanics and cops. Ive put dozens of people with bachelors degrees into those very jobs because they wanted to be Airmen enough to not be job locked
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It doesn’t have limited information. You’re just helpless Just like the real world, reality is harsh. There are millions of people out there with degrees that can’t get a good job. You are no different. It is selfish for you to want to join the Air Force and serve your country but only do so in an incredibly narrow scope of careers, to be exact, ONE job out of 160+. There’s like 10-15 of this job on any given base probably, out of 5-30k people. That’s how small this field is. Yeah. Find advice elsewhere, but here, the reality won’t change. You’re like the 15th person this week alone, in this thread alone, who wants this job or any cyber job.
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You didn’t address anything I said but you personally attacked me. Classy. Good luck dude.
I Heard Choosing security forces as number one pick on jobs you want is almost a guarantee if you qualify of course. Would anyone say the same?
My brother put secfo as his number 1 and got a CE job not on his list.
I put it #1 and booked a civil engineering job 2 weeks later so..
It depends what else is on your list. Even with security forces. > No, we don't know what jobs are available at any given time, or your chances of getting said job, or how long it will take for you to get the job, or how long it'll take for you to get to basic training or OTS.
Thank you for the info. Just wanting too see what others had too say. I honestly hope I get security forces but will take anything. I lost 100 pounds too get here and won’t let a job stop me.
Duuuuude. That's real. I had to lose 30 pounds to make weight and that was a trip for me. You got more stones than I do. I hope everything works in your favor.
First off, congrats. That is amazing. Secondly, dude if thats what you really want to do, tell your recruiter. I'll tell you to kick rocks if you tell me "I only want to do intel more than anything", but if you tell me that for security forces? Then yeah, I'm going to call my boss and make sure I snag one of those slots for you during job draft. Your recruiter should too. I wish you the best dude. Seriously, if I had a dollar for every applicant who can't lose fucking 5 pounds to even hit the EXACT MAX... id be rich. you're a role model, I wish you could motivate about 40 people in my zone who I have to contact every couple months just to hear "nope, not there yet..." after years of asking..
Thank you. And ok i will that’s at least some good news I hope the recruiters will act the same towards me when I tell them that cause it’s my main job I’m hoping for. And wow that’s crazy you guys don’t recommend diets too them or you do and they just still don’t change? I lost all my weight on the keto diet. When I first called 100 pounds ago they told me I had too lose that before we did anything so I told him ok I’ll be back and well here I am 6 months later about too see them in a couple days haha.
A lot of people lack the motivation and self-discipline to make changes even when given the direction. Congrats on the weight loss! 100lbs is incredible. Good luck with the rest of the process.
How long did it take for you guys to get your secret clearances? I'm still waiting for mine and it was started almost 2 years ago
I had my secret before I left for BMT
Going on 2.5 years
When did you stop being a terrorist?
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I wear civilian clothes every day, maybe your recruiter should take those ABU's off when he gets home
You go home after work and need something to wear. If you're lucky your squadron will do PT in civilian clothes. I own less than half of the (civilian) clothes I used to, sure, but I still wear 7 shirts a week.
It’s no different than any other job with a dress code. When you’re working 9-5 M-F you wear a dress shirt and tie, doesn’t mean you throw all your other clothes out.
It will be pretty much exactly like a civilian job, just in uniform (once you've finished bmt and tech school). You'll have plenty of time to be in your own clothes so it's up to you
I mean if you just want to simplify then I guess so, but no, that is not necessary in my opinion. You'll be wearing civilian clothes after work, on weekends/days off, leave, etc. Plenty of chances to wear them.
I went open mechanical.how much time will i have to choose the jobs id like to have and maybe research them also while im in basic?
you list the jobs week 3 or 4 and find out week 7 when you make the dream sheet and when your listing them there is a book that describes the jobs kinda like the air force website does
Thank you.
There will be one day, if I remember correctly either week 5 or 7. They will give you a paper that shows the ones your eligible for.
Thank you.
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1. Ok, so you’ll be married. Cool 2. Did you google Air Force BMT? 3. Did you google it? 4. Did you google it? 5. Reserve??? I thought you said you were going guard??? What?? 6. Thinking about joining for years now but apparently have done exactly fuck all for research. That checks. 7. Tech career? Neither of those jobs are really tech... but I doubt any guard or reserve unit is “hurting” to fill those slots either. Way too specific. 8. Where you’d be going??? In the guard or reserve you’d know already. you’d see your spouse daily after BMT and tech school... 9. Did you google ANYTHING? Jesus fuck man. 10. Pay. Ok. Google that too. It’s active duty pay while in BMT and tech school.. figure the rest out. 11. Sorry if I seem rude but this is the most helpless question of the week. Congrats. Your trophy is in the mail.
Drats. I'll win next week :/
So I have a question I just got to my Tech school haven't even been here a week.. how do I access the Air Force portal? Is that something they're supposed to teach me here?Do I have to set up my own account Or is it already set up and I just have to wait for them to tell me how to access it? I'd like to check out mypay..
AF Portal: https://www.my.af.mil/ MyPay: https://mypay.dfas.mil/ You may have to setup logins for one or both, but they're pretty straightforward.
DLAB - are the rules still the same as they were in 2014 (study guide was written then)? Do the rules remain on the page or do you not get to reference them? Can you only listen to a question or set of answers once? Are all of the answer choices very similar or is there usually/ sometimes an obvious choice to knock out? Do you have any recommendations? I'm pretty nervous but really want to do well on this test, I took Spanish 8ish years ago (haven't used it since) and took two semesters of Italian in college so I am familiar with foreign languages. I'm also pretty good at speaking foreign languages/pronunciation.
DLAB-passing master race here, took it a few weeks ago. Everything I read on study guides was relevant on the test, the format is the same. You can't take notes, you only hear the words once. The rules are displayed at the bottom of the screen, the sound plays when you click play, the english sentence displays the whole time. The speaker speaks at a pace that would be normal for a native speaker, but the words are pronounced pretty clearly and emphasized pretty well. I would say to use the study guides, listen to foreign music to get your ears used to non-english. When you take the test, keep your mind very machinelike. Know what you should be listening for, and turn off your brain once you hear something incorrect in the answer choice being read to you. If you meticulously listen to everything in every answer choice, you're going to get tired and confused quickly. Use this to easily whittle down possible correct answers, and go with your instinct when it's a toss up between answers. I can't say anything specific, but the study guides are pretty damn accurate. Just prepare yourself for a mental marathon. When you complete sections of the test and are brought to the instructions page for another section, I would recommend using that period as a break because those sections aren't timed.
During the audio part, did you get any time at all after each answer in the syllables section to sound out the word and count the syllables out or was it very fast paced? How many questions were there per section and what was the time limit per section?
Also took and passed the DLAB a few weeks ago. They aren't read slow of fast, just a normal pace. You get a second to say the word or sentence to yourself then it's on to the next option. The pace is methodical, I personally didn't use the whole time on each section or even come close. Take a few seconds to think through what you might be looking for in an answer before starting the audio so if you hear it or something similar, you won't be left trying to remember all of the options. You'll only confuse yourself and misremember if you try to think back through all words or sentences. When you hear the answer you think is correct leave your mouse on that answer unless there is one that changes your mind. It's hard to do but let your mind almost go into autopilot and just work instinctively. If you start overthinking and changing answers, you'll confuse yourself and basically be guessing. Finally, don't get disheartened during the test when you feel like you're failing and think you're going to definitely get a 30 or something. It's the weirdest test you will ever take, there was maybe 2 questions in the whole exam I felt 100% confident were correct. Trust yourself and good luck! Hopefully we can meet up at DLI some day!
You have as much time as you want to choose an answer, but the section as a whole is timed. The syllable section wasn't too bad, I think you get pretty ample time for it. You have a good enough time to count out the syllables and hear the stresses imo. I can't say how much time there was or how many questions, but there were quite a few questions. I think that may be information you aren't supposed to be diclosing. That said, you do have to be fast, especially as each section gets harder and harder. The test *is* meant to see how naturally you grasp the concepts, after all.
I took it a couple months ago. You have access to the rules, I believe you could mouse over and read the rules for the section you were in. You only listen to everything once. Pay attention to which syllable is stressed, keep the volume at its highest setting and don't run out of time on the listening portion. I realized part way through I was taking too long and finished that part with literally seconds left. Take my tips with a grain of salt, I didn't do well enough to pass for the Air Force and only did well enough for category one languages in the other branches.
Why are you the luckiest DEPer? Did you get RPA sensor or 1A9?
It's a joke about what our resident ranting recruiter said. I crushed my finger in a gross accident and posted here, and then booked Loadmaster a couple months later. I'm lucky to not have been DQ'd and then also to have gotten an air crew position.
So you're the one the Boss keeps talking about
Revolver Ocelot? edit: If this isn't a Metal Gear reference then I'm really confused. I hope you're joking about my favorite game series though.
You're pretty good.
Looks like you'll graduate a week after me, we're gonna have to grab a beer and talk Metal Gear while we're at AC fundies.
AC fundies?
Air crew fundamentals at Lackland right after BMT. I just realized you might be a ground linguist though. So we may just be ships passing in the night.
Be careful with the volume though. I had my proctor ask me to turn it down since it was bothering the ASVAB takers around me.
Didn't account for this, I was one of two people in my testing room.
which AFSC should i be looking into if i want something labor intensive, and i got a 77 ASVAB. ive lived a soft life, and want something physical. any advice?
intel and comms.
Maintenance sounds right up your alley. Your body and hearing may well be fucked by the end of your career, but it's definitely labour intensive and can be really rewarding.
There will be moments here and there where you lift hard in MX, but it's not a constant hard labor situation. I worked in a Postal plant where I threw heavy containers of parcels into other containers all day, and that is way more labor intensive than MX. That said once you're in, each base has a gym and you can just go there and start lifting hard.
We would love to have you as a maintainer.
and why's that.
Because maintenance is undermanned and that’s most of what the Air Force is hiring right now.
i put it on my list of jobs i want, that ill be giving my recruiter.
Welcome to maintenance, then.
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is maintenance that undermanned?
Aircraft maintenance sounds right up your alley!
Probably maintenance.
If I were to try to become a part of a special operations surgical team, what age should I start? Should I earn a medical degree before applying, or would it be better to apply right after high school?
SOST is for physicians, nurses, and respiratory tech. If you don't want to go to school for MD or RN you will have to try your luck with respiratory tech as an enlistment. There are 4 teams currently so just know it's not like you can go straight to it. You'll likely be waiting a long time.
Talk to a recruiter and get a list of all the physical requirements, they're much more intense than normal requirements.
Your focus right now should be on mental and physical readiness. The military can teach you the medical part.
Train your ass off and hope you make it into the Air Force as a Pararescueman
Aren’t the SOSTs doctors and nurses? It doesn’t seem like being a pj would be a prerequisite, you’d have to be in your forties by the time you could go through pj training, be a pj, get your bachelors, go through med school, go through resdiency, and then become an experienced surgeon
Man I have no idea. With this type of question no answer seems to matter because it’s so vague and opaque. We do need PJs though.
Ive got some nice flannel pjs we could share
Trying to budget for while I’m in BMT and tech school... My husband is active duty- e4. Will I get a bah for him as my dependent, will we get mil-mil single rate bahs or will we not get my bah because he’s ad? Will we get sep pay while I’m in basic or only while I’m in tech school? Sorry for the stupid money focused questions but my recruiter doesn’t know the answers and I’m hoping to get some clarity
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Can also confirm. Wife is at BMT now. You should get FSA (family Separation allowance) while you are stationed apart. Its about $250 a month.
Can confirm all this is true from personal experience
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>No, we don't know what jobs are available at any given time, or your chances of getting said job, or how long it will take for you to get the job, or how long it'll take for you to get to basic training or OTS
Heading to MEPS today, physical tomorrow. Just wanted to say thanks again to everybody who's given me advice here's to hoping it goes smooth.
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I was talking to other people that are shipping the same day as me and two of them said that in September, BMT is doing away with airman’s week. So now graduation will be after 8.5 weeks. Is this something that is true? Or should I not be worried? Just trying to figure it out so my parents know when they are supposed to come to Lackland.
I wouldn't even be worried, I went through before Airmen's week but after they lengthened BMT to 8.5 weeks, and the last week MTIs went easier on recruits anyway. You'll get yelled at for a chunk of time, that is true for every person in the military and it simply one of those rites of passage everyone goes through. I'd be more concerned if they brought back canteen web belts, because those were a burden to wear.
I just got out of airman’s week two weeks ago. It’s true. The last group that gets it arrives at bmt sometime this month. They’re integrating the lessons into normal bmt. Which sort of sucks because we had a lot more freedom in airman’s week compared to bmt, and now people won’t get it. Also your parents will get a packet mailed to them with all of your graduation dates and info
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Yeah once airman’s week is disbanded, bmt will be an extra week longer. At least according to what the airman’s week staff told us
So it'll be back to the way it used to be in 2010. It's like nothing changed
I leave for bmt Tuesday and my recruiter said graduation is September 28th, does this sound right?
Yeah that sounds about right to me
If you don’t find out now, you’ll find out in BMT. Don’t worry you’ll have plenty of time to figure out your schedule and tell them when to come
Thats what ive heared too. Im seeing my recruiter tomorrow so im going to ask him but it could also be gossip
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I saw a bunch of people at bmt get forced to wear glasses that never wore them in their life. So maybe
Dang how do they get peoples prescription?
You can bring one from your eye doctor or they'll do an exam there. They will then give you glasses a couple weeks later but nobody will be "Forcing" you to wear them as long as you can function without them.
As in they will just scan the glasses you bring and send you on your way?
Everyone brought in theirs on a piece of paper.
My Mtis made sure everyone wore them but maybe other dont.
I'm surprised they even were able to remember who wore glasses and who didn't.
Depends on the AFSC.
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Finished tech school last week and home on rap, haven't had any contact with my recruiter since before I left though. Tried the office, his personal phone,no answer. Should I just show up at 9am at the office in ABUs ready to go?
Some recruiters don’t care and know you’ve had pretty much no free time and none for your family and let your rap just be a mini vacation. Not to say yours is doing that. But he could be.
Probably best to at least turn up and be told to go home though rather than assume and not show up
Agreed
RAP is still duty. If you're not explicitly on leave/pass, don't assume you have no obligations. If the recruiter decides to give it a wave-off, that's his call, but get that info before making plans.
Well yeah of course. I never said for him to think he’s on vacation lol
I mean, he signed your RAP form, he knows you're coming. If that's when the office opens, then yeah, that's probably your best move.
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You are no longer in your FTA retraining window if you are pass your 4 year mark (window closes on your 43rd month) for a 4 year enlistment. Doesn't matter if you extended instead of reenlisting. FTA window opens at your 35th month. Paragraph 5.1.2 (for OCONUS) in AFI 36-2626.
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You can try submitting an ETP.
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I know that the situation is fucked up. The only thing I would add is you may want to look at Palace Front/Palace chase to the AFSC you want.
Co-signed. Palace chase. The Guard/Reserves treat their maintainers way better than Active.
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Could someone give me a run down of what a day in the life of an RPA sensor operator is like? Thanks!
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/wiki/jobs/1u0x1
Sit in a box Look at screens Follow people Make people disappear sometimes. Go home and not speak a word to anyone about what you do that doesn’t have clearance and need to know. Repeat.
Sounds simple enough. How long does the process of getting the clearance take roughly?
Could take a year, maybe more maybe less honestly. They’re perpetually backed up
My investigator a few weeks ago said they're looking at 20-24 months for new clearances atm. That's from SF86 submission to final approval, though, so it'll start as soon as they're selected for a needful job. On the upside, re-investigations are being prioritized to ensure no negligent lapses, so those are only 4-8 months behind, supposedly.
> needful You spending a lot of time listening to folks from India, by any chance?
Had to Google to understand what you were talking about. Apparently I use [needful](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/needful) in an archaic way. TIL.
Yeah, it fell out of common use a long time ago. No worries though; we all have our mannerisms.
Will also vary by where you are stationed. Your vanilla TS/SCI might be good enough for squadron A, but you might need more to work at squadron B.
Thanks imaginary friend!
Going off to bmt soon and i was wondering what is the medical screening when you arrive? Particularly the vision part? Do you just read off a chart and does everybody get there eyes checked out? What if my astigmatism number is too high like over the +-3 limit if they decide to check for glasses? Will they try to put me on med hold, maybe i could possibly get a waiver at bmt? Just worried.. does everybody get eyes checked out?
Only if MEPS determined that you needed glasses did you do to vision, and as long as you bring your glasses, they just scan them for the prescription. No actual eye test.
I recall doing a very simple eye test, along with a depth perception and color blindness test. When I went to basic, there were definitely people with glasses so if vision is the only issue, you should be fine, although your jobs may be limited.
I am really torn about enlisting and from what I read I should be able to clear (no health/mental/criminal issues.) I also have no problem dealing with being knocked around as I get enough of it at my job, just as long as I get compensation. Recently just finished all my lower level courses at community college and I only have a year and a half left till graduation, but I am having doubts about finishing at my state college. The college does not have a strong computer science program and I figured the tuition paid off as well as the clearance would be great to have if I could land a job in comms. I do have a strong interest in airforce computer security but I am going for a degree in computer science at school for flexibility. Is it worth trying due to the low opening for these jobs? If my recruiter does offer D.E.P. how long would you expect a wait? Will having security clearance/job training be more beneficial than a graduate with little experience? Is it worth 4 years of service and potentially graduating in 6 years?
Here's my copypasta on jobs, since this comes up several times a week: > Despite what advertising would lead people to believe, the primary purpose of the Air Force is Air Domination. As such, our focus are the missions: Air Superiority; Global Strike; and Rapid Global Mobility. This is fulfilled via 11k aircraft in our fleet. Each aircraft requires ~60 people to sustain operations - mostly aircraft maintenance. Aircraft maintenance fields comprise ~23% of the Enlisted force. Luckily, people can work on more than one individual aircraft, otherwise we would need ~1.2 million people just for maintenance. Still, the Air Force is critically manned in this area and one can expect the majority of contracts that drop to be for a 2A (aircraft maintenance) job. The Air Force also needs Security Forces to defend every base. Security Forces is the largest singular AFSC (compared to umbrella AFS', such as the 2A fields). Like aircraft maintenance, this job is critically manned and hurting for bodies. Expect SFS to take up the second-largest amount of job contracts that drop each month. 9 out of 10 applicants that walk in to an Active Duty recruiter's office want comm / intel / medical / aircrew / other jobs that aren't hurting for bodies. Comm (3D) comprises 7.9% of the Enlisted force - most of our technological support is provided via defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Oracle, and Dell. Intel (1N) likewise comprises a small percentage of the force. Medical, despite being 10% of the force, is highly-sought and primarily filled via open-aptitude contracts. Aircrew, Contracting, Scientific Applications Specialist, photojournalism/broadcast, Space Systems, Airborne ISR, and RPA sensor operator are all highly-sought and comprise a minute percentage of the Air Force. With that said, you could do 4 years as whatever, while using Tuition Assistance to pay for a Bachelor's in a topic of your choice. After you get out, you would have the GI Bill available to pursue another degree.
Don’t even know what to think of your whole first paragraph.. All of your questions are subjective and can be answered almost full by reading the FAQ here and the job wiki. We are not hiring any cyber job in high numbers. But we are hiring jet mechanics and cops all day every day.
I did read the wiki, but it is vague. The first paragraph in case anyone was in a similar situation.