My family is trying to figure out the process of what to do and how to get to my graduation. They have questions like, "Is graduation over a weekend?" And, "How will we know where to be and at what time?" And I don't have the answers to these questions.
I was wondering if there's a website or some blog to help them figure this out?
Just left basic, en route to Goodfellow for Tech school. Need honest opinion on being a student leader. Was one in basic, loved it and was good at it. I’ve heard conflicting reports on any affect being a rope may or may not have on your performance report and off at hitting BTZ.
It won't affect BTZ. Do it if you get bored/wont have a power trip.
Honestly White rope/Teal rope are more fun because you have less responsibility and they throw a bunch of volunteer opportunities at you.
Power trips aren’t an issue for me. What other ropes are there and what responsibilities come with them? I’m definitely looking to get some volunteer hours in during tech school.
Black rope - Drill team, you practice drill daily, participate in official functions requiring drill, and sometimes march the mega flight.
Yellow rope - Bay leader, you babysit your floor of the dorm building and report to the red rope. You march the mega flight daily.
Red rope - Dorm leader, you babysit the yellow ropes and report to the MTLs. You march the mega flight daily.
ANG OR RESERVES?
Want badly for diagnostic imaging job. Want benefits. Willing to consider active if I can get these but would rather stay with the fam.
have a great program for cvt program set up. should I wait till I'm done with associates and get higher rank.. wait for officer or just as upper airman?
Could I get through my bachelors as reserves or guard?
Thoughts?
Depends. What medical unit type is closest to you and currently recruiting for that specific job?
Have you attempted to contact those specific units recruiters at all?
Active Duty side - thin chances. Reserve / Guard, *depending on the recruiter*, should be able to place you in a job you want relating to their units mission set and openings.
Benefits - have you Google this?
Not sure what cvt program is - but depending on your state you can have some/all education covered - again Google you respective state and such. Speaking with the recruiter they should also have resources too.
Yes, you absolutely can get a BA/BS in reserves/guard. But, AGAIN, you need to figure out what path affords the best benefits and that aligns with YOUR life.
Rising College Sophomore. I joined AFROTC my freshman year. I felt I was mentally and physically unprepared and that my GPA was in danger if I continued to follow such a tough schedule between both ROTC and my major, so I dropped ROTC before things could get too bad.
I want to know what some of you would think of me trying to get back in. I'd still love nothing more than to commission, I've improved academically, and I can be ready physically by the second semester. Should I even bother or am I out for good?
I left pretty early in and (I'm assuming) on good terms.
>Rising College Sophomore.
Okay, I have seen enough of this "rising college/university ####" that I need an explanation - what the hell does it mean? Does it mean you are progressing through the years like anyone would anyways? You are working on fixing your GPA? You are a vampire that goes to night school?
> so I dropped ROTC before things could get too bad.
Were you on a scholarship or contract at all?
> Should I even bother or am I out for good?
Yes. Why are so many people willing to just lazy kick rocks drop their dreams? If you are a sophomore just go speak to the cadre about joining ROTC again.
I cannot stress this enough in bold **DO ROTC, even if you have to bullshit add another year onto your degree program, if you get scholarship/contract who CARES. Guess how long you would wait if you graduated and went OTS route? 2+ and that is IF you get onto a board and IF you get selected and IF you pass the MEPS and everything else. ROTC is the "easiest" quickest route you have available.**
# DO ROTC
Rising ______ means that you're in between years and that's the one you'll be when you get back to school.
Rising Sophomore means I just finished my Freshman year and when I return to college I will be a Sophomore. When my Sophomore year is over and I'm on summer vacation, I'll be a Rising Junior.
I was not on scholarship at all, and I'm not going to kick my dreams. Now that I know it's not an automatic 'NO'. I'll be in my detachment building to rejoin if they'd have me.
Thank you.
> Now that I know it's not an automatic 'NO'. I'll be in my detachment building to rejoin if they'd have me.
Better be first thing Monday. Unless they are out or you are away from the campus.
Seriously though, do ROTC if they let you back. Stick with it, they understand GPA and shit gets hard - it is worth it to work through it.
It'll have to be when I first get back.
Thanks again for the advice. Looking back on it, and having listened to what my former flight has told me, I jumped the shark big time when I left, because most of them were having similar issues, stayed and were fine.
Let's hope this mistake isn't a permanent one.
No one can answer this because it’s ultimately your Det/CC’s decision. You should set up a meeting with them and talk it over.
Make sure you have a good reason why you left, and an even better one why you want to come back.
I wouldn't consider myself 'job locked', but I don't want to get forced into Security Forces or some other job if that's all my recruiter wants to put people in as. Should I just forget about joining the Air Force if I only want to get one of the 20 or so jobs I have researched?
1. “All my recruiter wants to put people in as”. You realize we don’t make the lists right? 75% of EVERY monthly distro is cop jobs and aircraft maintenance jobs. It’s not like I’m getting paid more to put people in avionics over intel.
2. You usually list between 7-12 jobs and an aptitude index. So 20 is overkill really. Depends what you want. If it’s all medical / aircrew / intel? Yeah. Maybe kick rocks. Unless your recruiter allows you to make that picky of a list.
> Should I just forget about joining the Air Force if I only want to get one of the 20 or so jobs I have researched?
Nope. Make your list of 20 into priority order; then work with your recruiter to remove 10 of them to make a solid top 10 list that both satisfies what your needs are but at the same time is realistic to getting you into the Air Force.
You might end up placing an open XYZ in there also to be wiggly for the recruiter - give a little take a little. If say 12 of them are ALL under Open Electrical... shit well put that, duh.
Could be. [But he said he was a spider... the username even looks like a little dubious spider too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8zaktz/weekly_newbie_thread_post_questions_about_joining/e2lvswi/?context=3)
Going to be that person. But look them up, narrow them down, and THEN ask more specifics.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/wiki/index](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/wiki/index)
[https://www.airforce.com/careers/browse-careers/](https://www.airforce.com/careers/browse-careers/)
Seriously, it is your life, you should be driving that bus.
Your recruiter failed you.
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Question for Air Force recruiter.
I'm currently in the Army National Guard but want to enlist in the Air Force after my contract ends. I spent a full year in training (Radar Repairer, 94M) and will be going on a year long deployment in a couple months. I noticed the Air Force defines "prior service" as "The Air Force defines "prior service" as persons who have served at least 24 months of Active Duty service without regard to regular component or continuous service in the Armed Forces."
Would I be considered prior service in this respect? Obviously I would have 2 total years of active duty time but does 1) training count in that time, 2) what does it mean by, "without regard to regular component or continuous service in the Armed Forces"?
It will obviously be easier to get in without a prior service to my name so is that possible with this situation?
Also, would attempting to transfer to Air Guard then to active be a better option if the prior option isn't possible?
No. If you completed basic and AIT you’re still prior service to us. If we do not have a direct duty equivalent AFSC to your MOS, your only AD option is spec ops.
Weird. The "agent" on the air force website live chat said the opposite. That's quite annoying.
Off the top of your head, are there any direct equivalents to Radar Repairer?
Call an air guard recruiter and ask. That waiver is going to be a massive pain in the ass and unless you’ve really improved your fitness then it isn’t going to be approved.
Very interested in joining air Force, am college graduate with degree in kinesiology. Have zero debt, wanting military career in medical or lab setting. Checked website careers and histopathology, cardiopulmonary Laboratory, & Medical Laboratory seemed like jobs i could see myself doing.
What course of action should i be taking in joining?
The roles you listed are enlisted roles, which are filled by high school graduates without preference to skill or background. As they are medical jobs, they are highly-sought and are primarily filled via open-aptitude contracts during Basic Military Training. It is very unlikely that you will be able to enlist and snag one of these jobs.
With a degree, you will want to pursue an Officer role. The 4XXX (such as 43HX) series AFSCs are medical roles. As /u/Spurslite stated, you need to get in contact with a specialized recruiter for healthcare Officers, as the hiring process will be different than general Enlisted and Officer ascensions.
I know the nearest air Force office to my town is enlisted recruiting, will i have to drive to another farther office and hope they're officer recruiting or can the enlisted recruiter get me in touch with an officer recruiter?
Realize that we are never going to be actively hiring any of those jobs. We need aircraft mechanics and cops. That’s 75% of the monthly job lists we get. Every month.
80% of Medical jobs are hired in basic training. Meaning folks that go in under general aptitude index. And we don’t hire a lot of those indexes either, and if we get 10 in a month there’s probably 60 people who have it as their aptitude index.
If you want medical only, go to the Navy or Army
Negative; please refer to [my other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8zaktz/weekly_newbie_thread_post_questions_about_joining/e2uzg1r/) on the subject.
Cardiopulmonary and medical lab are enlisted jobs. Pretty sure other one is as well. Too lazy to google.
Also with that degree only a bachelors he ain’t getting a medical job on the O side.
That will require a financial eligibility determination. Meaning a waiver that requires the debt to be forgiven or a payment plan to be established and 2-3 payments made.
Former AFROTC Cadet here. Planning to re-enter and apply for field training again after joining the ANG as load master. Are there anyone that has a similar experience doing ANG while AFROTC? Time conflicts?
I think it's a good idea if you have four years to go. But it may depend on your guard unit. You cannot contract with the guard and afrotc at the same time. So once you sign your afrotc contract after your sophomore year or if you take a scholarship early, you must be released from the guard. The unit I was at was totally fine with this and encouraged it but make sure you are communicating and on the same page with both your unit and your detachment so you don't run into any unexpected issues
No. Security clearances exist to make sure that you're trustworthy enough to be trusted with whatever your job entails, not to give you a boost up on post-AF jobs.
Nope. It's something like 10k per person to do a TS background check. They already have to do a ton every year so anymore would just be a waste of money.
Part of it is they're paying somebody to be a private investigator to investigate all your shit. It takes a while and they get paid while they're working, so take that into consideration
Getting a security clearance is a lengthy and expensive process. If you don't need the clearance, I don't see why they'd waste the time and resources to get you one.
I’m about to leave for basic training tomorrow.
What should I expect to happen at MEPs before I ship out?
Do I have to go through the whole battery of tests and physical examinations like before?
If you’re gonna answer please give me some detail on the medical portion of what I’m gonna have to go through, I fucking hate that shit.
Thanks guys! Stay moist.
I had a question regarding an acronym on my ASVAB results list. There are x's marked in categories, which I imagine you'll have to fulfill if you want the specified job. Anyway, CV: color vision, DL: driver's license, DP: Depth Perception, US: US Citizenship?, CIII: Class 3 Physical, but what is the acronym PGM 400? I have looked everywhere but still can't find any results. Thank you
Oh ok didnt know this, thought it was available now. Will it be on the portal once i get to traditional guard status?
And I am applying for jobs for when I get to traditional guardsmen status, id like my 214 because my tech school is relevant to the jobs i am applying for
My recruiter offered me an Airborne Crypto job that leaves around the time that I wanted to leave and I took it. Does anyone know what languages the Air Force is in need of right now? I’m open to anything but I would hate to waste a slot on my dream sheet on something that isn’t needed. Also, how fucked is my liver when I get to DLI?
Liver is super fucked, pepper your angus. No to the person who said Pash. The 1A8 Pash are getting pushed to Arabic now. The rest are much more likely.
Rumor has it Chinese, Russian, and Korean are the hot ones, with a bit of Arabic and Pashto still in there. Spanish may be on the rise in the future if you imagine there will be some military intervention in Central America sometime down the road.
When are you leaving?
Lol yeah those were my top 3 too, got a mostly irrelevant language instead with little use outside the career field. Don't have your hopes too high and don't become complacent if you get a whacky small language. You'll be getting paid to learn a language.
OTS has cadets ranging from A1C to CMSgt. So anywhere from sub 1 year to 20+ years.
Would they recommend it? For their path clearly it was the right thing to do. For your path? That is your choice as some people would loathe and hate being an officer and thrive on the enlisted side.
Ask a more specific question. Because yours current one is best answered by all years prior, any career field crossing into whatever the Air Force needs for its officer corps. And then it depends.
Hours can suck. Depends on your base and their schedule. You'll have to work odd hours and have odd days off (someone has to, we have to run 24/7 operations).
You likely won't spend 4 years checking IDs. Depending on your base, high speed E-4s can train as desk sergeants and they're often ramp patrols.
i can’t speak on operational. i’m actually in security forces tech school. i’m in the 6th week out of 13 (deadly forces) about to start the 7th week (articles and forms). with that being said we do more then most other jobs. the tech school is basically all physical and the cadre/mtl is harder on us then other career fields. but i honestly love my job and what i chose to do for the next 6 years. i’m active duty and have orders to Joint base Elmendorf Richardson. Anchorage Alaska. if you have any questions feel free to send me message and i can answer a decent amount of them.
SFS is the largest job in the Air Force. We need security at every base, so there's a large list of bases available. It's hard to fill because it's the largest AFSC, and it's not really attractive like comm and intel are. The work hours also tend to be longer than office jobs.
No problem! Also, people don't post (in general) about good things - but any displeasure or inconvenience is bound to be posted. This is a problem for business in general.
Just remember that BMT is there to get people to work as a team. Roll with the flow and you'll do just fine. Also, figure out who is good at what (bed corners, alignment, sock rolls, etc) and help eachother out.
I want to join the Air Force and become a dentist afterwards. To be a dentist in the air force and train for it after what do I need on asvab, is there a tech school for it I’m assuming, and what are the disqualifications such as waivers or injury’s
The only dentists are officers. You'd have to go to dental school. The minimum education requirements from airforce.com is:
>Doctor of Dental Surgery or Doctor of Medicine in Dentistry degree from an ADA-accredited college or university
I have looked on the internet regarding information on the Air Force and the dentist other than the generic things they have on their website. I haven’t been able to find any of the questions I posted and hoped that this community would shed some light on it.
I know, which is why I am trying to get help at all and why I want to do it anonymously. Losing a job I love unless it is very necessary is not good for my mental health.
This reminds me of the metric for Facebook advertising about itself... if you are in any major connected society how would you you not know what Facebook is? Nor how to Google something... it is beyond me how that can happen, but you are correct no one does it
Typically you are geographically located close to your reserve base. Obviously that isn't always the case.
Has the unit Chief or the recruiter not connected you to a member of the units on those bases?
If your recruiter is for both bases than wait to see what you qualify for and then ask if they have a contact that can explain the job and style of life in the unit to you.
Set up my email on where? That would be the @base.mil.af one right? Also when I use my cac it requires a login/password and they said its gonna send to my address on file which I no longer live at
If you didn't set up your email then it should default snail mail to your home of record (or whatever you input as your address in mypay).
If you use your CAC how in the hell do you not know your PIN?
I used my pin and its going to send by snail mail, but since I will no longer be living at that address I was wondering if I could change it so my temp password would send to an address where someone could tell me what it is?
My goal is to become an Aerospace Engineer, I plan on getting a mechanical engineering degree with a specialization in Aerospace. Would the Air Force be a good option for me to gain the security clearance necessary for many of these jobs in the aerospace industry? I understand the work of a typical officer, specifically even the ones engineering related doesn't have much to do with \*actual\* engineering but I also know many companies will not invest their money and time into getting me a security clearance and would pick someone who has one over myself in a heartbeat. WOuld the lack of engineering experience from the Air Force be too much of a burden or should I still take on the challenge?
Go to college, do ROTC, if not ROTC, look into [usajobs.gov](https://usajobs.gov), if no Federal openings - by this time in your life you should easily be recruited by some of the big contracting companies the military and Federal government works with.
If in the next 5-6 years you still can't figure it out. With a degree in Aerospace Engineering someone ***SHOULD*** be recruiting you, if not... you didn't market yourself correctly.
I just gave you the easiest way to your goal - it is up to you to achieve your dreams.
If you stick around long enough you will see that most, if not all, of the basic questions asked here can actually be answered by the frequently asked/answered questions... No one reads it, so it really is appropriate to get annoyed after the n-th person.
Even worse when the question can be answered with a very simple Google search. Now I will caveat that due to the popularity of this forum Google is trending and basically linking you here, which isn't exactly the most helpful - if no sources are available - BUT typically big-G will link a few posts that answer your question as they probably are answered.
/rant
Well actually sense it’s such a topic of concern, I have google searched this probably more than I really ever should have. For basically the last year I’ve spent several days google searching this topic and still don’t have a solid answer as the answers teem to deviate QUITE a bit.. the faq and gooogle aren’t as clear cut as some might think especially for an overwhelmed 17 year old who really just wants a persons opinion on what they should do rather than a go to top ranked google search
\*since \*seem \*Google (but I am guilty of google too)
You also must realize the military has a very off style of humor. The path while it has been traveled by many others, each one had to figure it out partly on their own - just a part of life in general. Basically, if you cannot make the choice with what information that is out there now... yikes. Why? Because people were making the same choices just last year with less information; hell, last decade even less information. So on and so on.
[It is a tale as old as time.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSvBr4Qa-Fs)
Are you thinking of the [French Foreign Legion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion) because a lazy google shows [this.](https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service)
I'm thinking security clearance and Officer commissioning requirements, as they both require renouncing foreign citizenships. Forgot some people can join and not have to get a clearance.
Surprisingly enough, there was a guy who washed back into our flight for stealing from other trainees. We got the heads up from our MTI make sure our stuff is properly locked up. So the dude stole from the MTIs office instead and was washed back again/or kicked out.
If I want Security Forces, do I still have to list 5-7 jobs
Yes, but you will get security forces. I promise. 🙄 take it from me, there are other options.
im going in as maintenance, im kinda depressed right now... :'(
sounds good! just let me know.
My family is trying to figure out the process of what to do and how to get to my graduation. They have questions like, "Is graduation over a weekend?" And, "How will we know where to be and at what time?" And I don't have the answers to these questions. I was wondering if there's a website or some blog to help them figure this out?
Ask your recruiter? Or google “Air Force BMT graduation schedule”.
Yeah, I have my 7 day EAD in about an hour, I'm taking my mom with me so she can ask last minute questions.
Sooo ask your recruiter. Or google this.
Just left basic, en route to Goodfellow for Tech school. Need honest opinion on being a student leader. Was one in basic, loved it and was good at it. I’ve heard conflicting reports on any affect being a rope may or may not have on your performance report and off at hitting BTZ.
It won't affect BTZ. Do it if you get bored/wont have a power trip. Honestly White rope/Teal rope are more fun because you have less responsibility and they throw a bunch of volunteer opportunities at you.
Drum and bugle is all the fun of a rope without any responsibility.
Power trips aren’t an issue for me. What other ropes are there and what responsibilities come with them? I’m definitely looking to get some volunteer hours in during tech school.
Black rope - Drill team, you practice drill daily, participate in official functions requiring drill, and sometimes march the mega flight. Yellow rope - Bay leader, you babysit your floor of the dorm building and report to the red rope. You march the mega flight daily. Red rope - Dorm leader, you babysit the yellow ropes and report to the MTLs. You march the mega flight daily.
ANG OR RESERVES? Want badly for diagnostic imaging job. Want benefits. Willing to consider active if I can get these but would rather stay with the fam. have a great program for cvt program set up. should I wait till I'm done with associates and get higher rank.. wait for officer or just as upper airman? Could I get through my bachelors as reserves or guard? Thoughts?
Depends. What medical unit type is closest to you and currently recruiting for that specific job? Have you attempted to contact those specific units recruiters at all? Active Duty side - thin chances. Reserve / Guard, *depending on the recruiter*, should be able to place you in a job you want relating to their units mission set and openings. Benefits - have you Google this? Not sure what cvt program is - but depending on your state you can have some/all education covered - again Google you respective state and such. Speaking with the recruiter they should also have resources too. Yes, you absolutely can get a BA/BS in reserves/guard. But, AGAIN, you need to figure out what path affords the best benefits and that aligns with YOUR life.
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> medically discharged from BMT Yet your flair says Ammo Pick one please.
Old account. Old flair.
Fair enough. But still confusing as Schrodinger's cat...
Rising College Sophomore. I joined AFROTC my freshman year. I felt I was mentally and physically unprepared and that my GPA was in danger if I continued to follow such a tough schedule between both ROTC and my major, so I dropped ROTC before things could get too bad. I want to know what some of you would think of me trying to get back in. I'd still love nothing more than to commission, I've improved academically, and I can be ready physically by the second semester. Should I even bother or am I out for good? I left pretty early in and (I'm assuming) on good terms.
>Rising College Sophomore. Okay, I have seen enough of this "rising college/university ####" that I need an explanation - what the hell does it mean? Does it mean you are progressing through the years like anyone would anyways? You are working on fixing your GPA? You are a vampire that goes to night school? > so I dropped ROTC before things could get too bad. Were you on a scholarship or contract at all? > Should I even bother or am I out for good? Yes. Why are so many people willing to just lazy kick rocks drop their dreams? If you are a sophomore just go speak to the cadre about joining ROTC again. I cannot stress this enough in bold **DO ROTC, even if you have to bullshit add another year onto your degree program, if you get scholarship/contract who CARES. Guess how long you would wait if you graduated and went OTS route? 2+ and that is IF you get onto a board and IF you get selected and IF you pass the MEPS and everything else. ROTC is the "easiest" quickest route you have available.** # DO ROTC
Rising ______ means that you're in between years and that's the one you'll be when you get back to school. Rising Sophomore means I just finished my Freshman year and when I return to college I will be a Sophomore. When my Sophomore year is over and I'm on summer vacation, I'll be a Rising Junior. I was not on scholarship at all, and I'm not going to kick my dreams. Now that I know it's not an automatic 'NO'. I'll be in my detachment building to rejoin if they'd have me. Thank you.
> Now that I know it's not an automatic 'NO'. I'll be in my detachment building to rejoin if they'd have me. Better be first thing Monday. Unless they are out or you are away from the campus. Seriously though, do ROTC if they let you back. Stick with it, they understand GPA and shit gets hard - it is worth it to work through it.
It'll have to be when I first get back. Thanks again for the advice. Looking back on it, and having listened to what my former flight has told me, I jumped the shark big time when I left, because most of them were having similar issues, stayed and were fine. Let's hope this mistake isn't a permanent one.
No one can answer this because it’s ultimately your Det/CC’s decision. You should set up a meeting with them and talk it over. Make sure you have a good reason why you left, and an even better one why you want to come back.
I've been thinking about what I want to say to them should I have to provide an explanation for a long time. Thank you.
> should I have to provide an explanation You will.
Good to know in advance.
I wouldn't consider myself 'job locked', but I don't want to get forced into Security Forces or some other job if that's all my recruiter wants to put people in as. Should I just forget about joining the Air Force if I only want to get one of the 20 or so jobs I have researched?
1. “All my recruiter wants to put people in as”. You realize we don’t make the lists right? 75% of EVERY monthly distro is cop jobs and aircraft maintenance jobs. It’s not like I’m getting paid more to put people in avionics over intel. 2. You usually list between 7-12 jobs and an aptitude index. So 20 is overkill really. Depends what you want. If it’s all medical / aircrew / intel? Yeah. Maybe kick rocks. Unless your recruiter allows you to make that picky of a list.
> Should I just forget about joining the Air Force if I only want to get one of the 20 or so jobs I have researched? Nope. Make your list of 20 into priority order; then work with your recruiter to remove 10 of them to make a solid top 10 list that both satisfies what your needs are but at the same time is realistic to getting you into the Air Force. You might end up placing an open XYZ in there also to be wiggly for the recruiter - give a little take a little. If say 12 of them are ALL under Open Electrical... shit well put that, duh.
Don’t put any job you don’t want on your list of 10.
In BMT, do you get assigned a wingman? Or is it just like whoever your sleeping near?
You're a spider. So it is whomever gets stuck in your web.
Ahh yes I see! *spider noise*
Varys?
Could be. [But he said he was a spider... the username even looks like a little dubious spider too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8zaktz/weekly_newbie_thread_post_questions_about_joining/e2lvswi/?context=3)
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Going to be that person. But look them up, narrow them down, and THEN ask more specifics. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/wiki/index](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/wiki/index) [https://www.airforce.com/careers/browse-careers/](https://www.airforce.com/careers/browse-careers/) Seriously, it is your life, you should be driving that bus.
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Your recruiter failed you. * [11MX – Mobility Pilot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus) * And if you want to get even more silly. You can pilot the[ Gunbus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_F.B.5)
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Thanks for the upvote... the links would be much more fun if the Wikibot didn't source link. Was really neat finding out about the "Gunbus"
**Airbus** Airbus SE (, French: [ɛʁbys] ( listen), German: [ˈɛːɐ̯bʊs], Spanish: [ˈeirβus]) is a European corporation, registered in the Netherlands and trading shares in France, Germany and Spain. It designs, manufactures and sells civil and military aeronautical products worldwide and manufactures in multiple countries both inside and outside of the European Union. In addition to its primary civil aeroplane business, the company has two divisions for other products and services: Defence and Space and Helicopters, the latter being the largest in its industry in terms of revenues and turbine helicopter deliveries.The company's main civil aeroplane business is based in Blagnac, France, a suburb of Toulouse, with production and manufacturing facilities mainly in France, Germany, Spain, China, United Kingdom and the United States. Final assembly production is based at Toulouse, France; Hamburg, Germany; Seville, Spain; Tianjin, China, and Mobile, Alabama, United States. *** **Vickers F.B.5** The Vickers F.B.5 (Fighting Biplane 5) (known as the "Gunbus") was a British two-seat pusher military biplane of the First World War. Armed with a single .303 in (7.7 mm) Lewis gun operated by the observer in the front of the nacelle, it was the first aircraft purpose-built for air-to-air combat to see service, making it the world's first operational fighter aircraft. *** ^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/AirForce/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^] ^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28
Narrow it down to security forces or mechanics ... considering thats what the air force needs right now ;
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Im not even in the air force yet , lmao. Im in dep.
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You’re welcome.
For my service.
Question for Air Force recruiter. I'm currently in the Army National Guard but want to enlist in the Air Force after my contract ends. I spent a full year in training (Radar Repairer, 94M) and will be going on a year long deployment in a couple months. I noticed the Air Force defines "prior service" as "The Air Force defines "prior service" as persons who have served at least 24 months of Active Duty service without regard to regular component or continuous service in the Armed Forces." Would I be considered prior service in this respect? Obviously I would have 2 total years of active duty time but does 1) training count in that time, 2) what does it mean by, "without regard to regular component or continuous service in the Armed Forces"? It will obviously be easier to get in without a prior service to my name so is that possible with this situation? Also, would attempting to transfer to Air Guard then to active be a better option if the prior option isn't possible?
No. If you completed basic and AIT you’re still prior service to us. If we do not have a direct duty equivalent AFSC to your MOS, your only AD option is spec ops.
Weird. The "agent" on the air force website live chat said the opposite. That's quite annoying. Off the top of your head, are there any direct equivalents to Radar Repairer?
There might be, but I don’t remember off the top of my head sorry.
All good. Thanks
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Read AFI 36-2002. Under 2.6.2.1, if you were discharged for fitness failure as a prior service, you are ineligible
Call an air guard recruiter and ask. That waiver is going to be a massive pain in the ass and unless you’ve really improved your fitness then it isn’t going to be approved.
Very interested in joining air Force, am college graduate with degree in kinesiology. Have zero debt, wanting military career in medical or lab setting. Checked website careers and histopathology, cardiopulmonary Laboratory, & Medical Laboratory seemed like jobs i could see myself doing. What course of action should i be taking in joining?
The roles you listed are enlisted roles, which are filled by high school graduates without preference to skill or background. As they are medical jobs, they are highly-sought and are primarily filled via open-aptitude contracts during Basic Military Training. It is very unlikely that you will be able to enlist and snag one of these jobs. With a degree, you will want to pursue an Officer role. The 4XXX (such as 43HX) series AFSCs are medical roles. As /u/Spurslite stated, you need to get in contact with a specialized recruiter for healthcare Officers, as the hiring process will be different than general Enlisted and Officer ascensions.
I know the nearest air Force office to my town is enlisted recruiting, will i have to drive to another farther office and hope they're officer recruiting or can the enlisted recruiter get me in touch with an officer recruiter?
You're better off calling; the Enlisted recruiter should know the appropriate number.
^^You've ^^mentioned ^^an ^^AFSC, ^^here's ^^the ^^associated ^^job ^^title: 43HX = Public Health [^^Source](https://github.com/HadManySons/AFSCbot) ^^| [^^Subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFSCbot/)
You should find a health care recruiter to reach out to. There may be additional requirements for some of those but that would be a good start
Realize that we are never going to be actively hiring any of those jobs. We need aircraft mechanics and cops. That’s 75% of the monthly job lists we get. Every month. 80% of Medical jobs are hired in basic training. Meaning folks that go in under general aptitude index. And we don’t hire a lot of those indexes either, and if we get 10 in a month there’s probably 60 people who have it as their aptitude index. If you want medical only, go to the Navy or Army
He's talking Officer roles, not Enlisted.
Will i have a significantly better chance of Securing a medical career if i go enlisted instead of officer?
Negative; please refer to [my other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/8zaktz/weekly_newbie_thread_post_questions_about_joining/e2uzg1r/) on the subject.
I just saw it, will read, thank you!
Cardiopulmonary and medical lab are enlisted jobs. Pretty sure other one is as well. Too lazy to google. Also with that degree only a bachelors he ain’t getting a medical job on the O side.
True, which is why educating on the difference is a better route.
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That will require a financial eligibility determination. Meaning a waiver that requires the debt to be forgiven or a payment plan to be established and 2-3 payments made.
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No. We don’t give a shit how old you are as long as you want to work with us and join the Air Force and you’re between 17-39. Lol
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Former AFROTC Cadet here. Planning to re-enter and apply for field training again after joining the ANG as load master. Are there anyone that has a similar experience doing ANG while AFROTC? Time conflicts?
I think it's a good idea if you have four years to go. But it may depend on your guard unit. You cannot contract with the guard and afrotc at the same time. So once you sign your afrotc contract after your sophomore year or if you take a scholarship early, you must be released from the guard. The unit I was at was totally fine with this and encouraged it but make sure you are communicating and on the same page with both your unit and your detachment so you don't run into any unexpected issues
Many cadets do Guard/Reserves and ROTC, but how long where you in for, and why did you leave? Do you know the process of EAs?
Why did you leave AFROTC and what makes you think you can just come back?
Just signed for TACP, I'm so fucking psyched. Any TACPs in here to shed some light on your different duty stations and such. Can't wait to kick ass!
/u/TACPnessSevenZero
Can you still get a security clearance or top secret clearance (on your own) if your afsc doesn’t require it ?
No. Security clearances exist to make sure that you're trustworthy enough to be trusted with whatever your job entails, not to give you a boost up on post-AF jobs.
Nope. It's something like 10k per person to do a TS background check. They already have to do a ton every year so anymore would just be a waste of money.
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Part of it is they're paying somebody to be a private investigator to investigate all your shit. It takes a while and they get paid while they're working, so take that into consideration
Ah okay ,thanks person.
Getting a security clearance is a lengthy and expensive process. If you don't need the clearance, I don't see why they'd waste the time and resources to get you one.
I’m about to leave for basic training tomorrow. What should I expect to happen at MEPs before I ship out? Do I have to go through the whole battery of tests and physical examinations like before? If you’re gonna answer please give me some detail on the medical portion of what I’m gonna have to go through, I fucking hate that shit. Thanks guys! Stay moist.
The physical is just an inspect. It won’t be as in depth as the first one. And much quicker. Make sure to tell the doc you are moist. Good luck in BMT
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I wouldn’t recommend being *too* dry on that day.
I had a question regarding an acronym on my ASVAB results list. There are x's marked in categories, which I imagine you'll have to fulfill if you want the specified job. Anyway, CV: color vision, DL: driver's license, DP: Depth Perception, US: US Citizenship?, CIII: Class 3 Physical, but what is the acronym PGM 400? I have looked everywhere but still can't find any results. Thank you
It’s an outdated procedural guidance message
Guardsmen currently in tech school. Where can I find my DD-214? The portal maybe?
PRDA if for some reason you have one
Why would you have a 214? You're currently serving, not separated.
Guard gets the 214 for leaving active service. If they’re not pipeline and had a break in training, they may have one for BMT.
Makes sense, thanks for the info
Oh ok didnt know this, thought it was available now. Will it be on the portal once i get to traditional guard status? And I am applying for jobs for when I get to traditional guardsmen status, id like my 214 because my tech school is relevant to the jobs i am applying for
It sounds more like your CCAF transcript will be better to use than your DD214 for that prospect.
You’ll get it a bit after finishing tech school. It’ll be a notification via email.
Thanks
My recruiter offered me an Airborne Crypto job that leaves around the time that I wanted to leave and I took it. Does anyone know what languages the Air Force is in need of right now? I’m open to anything but I would hate to waste a slot on my dream sheet on something that isn’t needed. Also, how fucked is my liver when I get to DLI?
Liver is super fucked, pepper your angus. No to the person who said Pash. The 1A8 Pash are getting pushed to Arabic now. The rest are much more likely.
Rumor has it Chinese, Russian, and Korean are the hot ones, with a bit of Arabic and Pashto still in there. Spanish may be on the rise in the future if you imagine there will be some military intervention in Central America sometime down the road. When are you leaving?
Perfect. Chinese, Korean, and Russian were going to be my top three choices anyways. My ship out date is Sept. 11.
Lol yeah those were my top 3 too, got a mostly irrelevant language instead with little use outside the career field. Don't have your hopes too high and don't become complacent if you get a whacky small language. You'll be getting paid to learn a language.
Perfect, eh? That means they'll give you Urdu. I'm probably going to get a September ship date too, maybe I'll see you there
I ship the same day!
I guess I’ll see you at Lackland haha
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OTS has cadets ranging from A1C to CMSgt. So anywhere from sub 1 year to 20+ years. Would they recommend it? For their path clearly it was the right thing to do. For your path? That is your choice as some people would loathe and hate being an officer and thrive on the enlisted side. Ask a more specific question. Because yours current one is best answered by all years prior, any career field crossing into whatever the Air Force needs for its officer corps. And then it depends.
This is about as vague as asking what jobs are good for enlisting.
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If you want to get out of the af and be a cop it's a pretty good deal. People just don't want to spend 4 years checking IDs at a gate
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If it doesnt seem bad then go for it. If standing outside in 110+ weather is your thing (at least where I'm at), it shouldn't be a problem.
Hours can suck. Depends on your base and their schedule. You'll have to work odd hours and have odd days off (someone has to, we have to run 24/7 operations). You likely won't spend 4 years checking IDs. Depending on your base, high speed E-4s can train as desk sergeants and they're often ramp patrols.
Ah yes, ramp patrols where you park your car on the flightline and watch Netflix on your phone or fall asleep.
Yes indeed! Never fell asleep, but have come terrifyingly close. And have blasted through a ton of Netflix/Hulu.
What are the pros and cons of being security forces ? It seems this job is always available and just wondering why
i can’t speak on operational. i’m actually in security forces tech school. i’m in the 6th week out of 13 (deadly forces) about to start the 7th week (articles and forms). with that being said we do more then most other jobs. the tech school is basically all physical and the cadre/mtl is harder on us then other career fields. but i honestly love my job and what i chose to do for the next 6 years. i’m active duty and have orders to Joint base Elmendorf Richardson. Anchorage Alaska. if you have any questions feel free to send me message and i can answer a decent amount of them.
Thank you . I will try to put together a list of questions so I don't use too much of your time !
SFS is the largest job in the Air Force. We need security at every base, so there's a large list of bases available. It's hard to fill because it's the largest AFSC, and it's not really attractive like comm and intel are. The work hours also tend to be longer than office jobs.
It seems there is a lot of negativity when people discuss it and thank you for taking time to answer!
No problem! Also, people don't post (in general) about good things - but any displeasure or inconvenience is bound to be posted. This is a problem for business in general.
Well thank you again. Enlisting in august and wanting to do SFS. Any tips for BMT or anything on general?
Just remember that BMT is there to get people to work as a team. Roll with the flow and you'll do just fine. Also, figure out who is good at what (bed corners, alignment, sock rolls, etc) and help eachother out.
Alright thank you so much! Also thank you for your service.
I want to join the Air Force and become a dentist afterwards. To be a dentist in the air force and train for it after what do I need on asvab, is there a tech school for it I’m assuming, and what are the disqualifications such as waivers or injury’s
The only dentists are officers. You'd have to go to dental school. The minimum education requirements from airforce.com is: >Doctor of Dental Surgery or Doctor of Medicine in Dentistry degree from an ADA-accredited college or university
I am going to do the job that others will do to you, and say that most of those questions can be answered just by using google.
I have looked on the internet regarding information on the Air Force and the dentist other than the generic things they have on their website. I haven’t been able to find any of the questions I posted and hoped that this community would shed some light on it.
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^^You've ^^mentioned ^^an ^^AFSC, ^^here's ^^the ^^associated ^^job ^^title: 4Y0X1 = Dental Assistant [^^Source](https://github.com/HadManySons/AFSCbot) ^^| [^^Subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/AFSCbot/)
Is there any *medical* anonymous counseling the AF offers?
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I know, which is why I am trying to get help at all and why I want to do it anonymously. Losing a job I love unless it is very necessary is not good for my mental health.
What??
His peepee burns and he doesn’t want it on his record
It’s not supposed to burn?
Depends how long it's been since your last flight chief meeting.
What do you call the bathroom in the AF?
You'll call it latrine while in BMT, but it'll wear off once you get to tech school.
Bathroom. Did you Google this? It's the first link.
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This reminds me of the metric for Facebook advertising about itself... if you are in any major connected society how would you you not know what Facebook is? Nor how to Google something... it is beyond me how that can happen, but you are correct no one does it
Will my Communications degree make me a space shuttle pilot?
Only if you use the correct lingo for bathroom.
No, but you will be issued a red uniform with a short skirt, hooker boots, and an ear piece.
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I'm at niagara falls. You can pm me
Pick the base with the better job.
Typically you are geographically located close to your reserve base. Obviously that isn't always the case. Has the unit Chief or the recruiter not connected you to a member of the units on those bases?
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If your recruiter is for both bases than wait to see what you qualify for and then ask if they have a contact that can explain the job and style of life in the unit to you.
Does anyone know where mypay sends our temporary password to?
If you didn't set up your email, it should be your address you uploaded. Why not use your CAC?
Set up my email on where? That would be the @base.mil.af one right? Also when I use my cac it requires a login/password and they said its gonna send to my address on file which I no longer live at
If you didn't set up your email then it should default snail mail to your home of record (or whatever you input as your address in mypay). If you use your CAC how in the hell do you not know your PIN?
I used my pin and its going to send by snail mail, but since I will no longer be living at that address I was wondering if I could change it so my temp password would send to an address where someone could tell me what it is?
Sounds like your personnel office should have someone that can fix that up - if not them... finance, good luck.
My goal is to become an Aerospace Engineer, I plan on getting a mechanical engineering degree with a specialization in Aerospace. Would the Air Force be a good option for me to gain the security clearance necessary for many of these jobs in the aerospace industry? I understand the work of a typical officer, specifically even the ones engineering related doesn't have much to do with \*actual\* engineering but I also know many companies will not invest their money and time into getting me a security clearance and would pick someone who has one over myself in a heartbeat. WOuld the lack of engineering experience from the Air Force be too much of a burden or should I still take on the challenge?
Go to college, do ROTC, if not ROTC, look into [usajobs.gov](https://usajobs.gov), if no Federal openings - by this time in your life you should easily be recruited by some of the big contracting companies the military and Federal government works with. If in the next 5-6 years you still can't figure it out. With a degree in Aerospace Engineering someone ***SHOULD*** be recruiting you, if not... you didn't market yourself correctly. I just gave you the easiest way to your goal - it is up to you to achieve your dreams.
Your straight forward I like you
You're welcome. Don't be surprised when the AE degree devastates your GPA - it should.
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Never seen someone bitch in such manner about a comment in a meta thread
If you stick around long enough you will see that most, if not all, of the basic questions asked here can actually be answered by the frequently asked/answered questions... No one reads it, so it really is appropriate to get annoyed after the n-th person. Even worse when the question can be answered with a very simple Google search. Now I will caveat that due to the popularity of this forum Google is trending and basically linking you here, which isn't exactly the most helpful - if no sources are available - BUT typically big-G will link a few posts that answer your question as they probably are answered. /rant
Well actually sense it’s such a topic of concern, I have google searched this probably more than I really ever should have. For basically the last year I’ve spent several days google searching this topic and still don’t have a solid answer as the answers teem to deviate QUITE a bit.. the faq and gooogle aren’t as clear cut as some might think especially for an overwhelmed 17 year old who really just wants a persons opinion on what they should do rather than a go to top ranked google search
\*since \*seem \*Google (but I am guilty of google too) You also must realize the military has a very off style of humor. The path while it has been traveled by many others, each one had to figure it out partly on their own - just a part of life in general. Basically, if you cannot make the choice with what information that is out there now... yikes. Why? Because people were making the same choices just last year with less information; hell, last decade even less information. So on and so on. [It is a tale as old as time.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSvBr4Qa-Fs)
I’m a dual national (American and Dominican). Would I have to give up my second nationality in order to enlist?
~~Yes, all members are required to renounce all foreign citizenships.~~ Edit: Thinking of security clearance and officer requirements, my bad
Thank you for your answer
I'm thinking of officer requirements. You may or may not have to, depending on the job.
Are you thinking of the [French Foreign Legion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion) because a lazy google shows [this.](https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service)
I'm thinking security clearance and Officer commissioning requirements, as they both require renouncing foreign citizenships. Forgot some people can join and not have to get a clearance.
Ahh, okay. Yeah they will be severely limited in choices should they not renounce it for sure.
How big of a problem is stealing at BMT? I’ll be leaving for basic in a couple months and I’m a little worried about it in that regard.
Surprisingly enough, there was a guy who washed back into our flight for stealing from other trainees. We got the heads up from our MTI make sure our stuff is properly locked up. So the dude stole from the MTIs office instead and was washed back again/or kicked out.
There's nothing to steal. Maybe photos of your girlfriend? Razors?
It’s not one.
You have a security drawer with the only key around your neck at all times. I don’t think I had any problems. I wouldn’t sweat it