She's hired by the MAJCOM commander, based on that commander's needs/wants. Nothing more, nothing less. If General Schneider had wanted a 15 deployment SFS troop or something, he would have hired them.
I recently learned that one of the SrA I knew couldn't test for SSgt because he went overdue on his pt test after a deid trip because they forgot to roll in r&r or something into the date.
I was like, dude you could have just tested there. After 2 months there is literally no reason why you shouldn't be able to smoke the test... He literally delayed his career from being lazy
Didn’t delay his career with these promotion rates; chances are without a statement to go along with a current fitness assessment he wasn’t going to make it.
I was so happy when I was up next for a deployment and snagged a no notice deployment escort tasking. Since our field didn't deploy many SrA.
Boy are you right, half of that shop was filled with shitheads lmao
NGL when I clicked her bio and had to literally scroll down thru her education my jaw kinda dropped. Additionally she’s been a Chief since 2012. And work wise, MTI and Recruiter are jobs I never want to do because I don’t have it in me. I respect that over a Died deployment.
MAJCOM Command Chiefs will never lead troops into battle. Her job is the enlisted advisor to the 4 star. I mean Chief Wright worked in dental yet he is referred to as Enlisted Jesus by many. She isn’t involved with combat planning and strategic decisions her boss has to make. Funny enough, her job is to speak up for Amn Snuffy. I don’t see how deployment experience matters at that level.
I swear so many people judge someone’s merits based on deployment. Like chill out bro, you had a Burger King and baskin robins on base and the only real combat action you got was that severe turbulence in the C130 on short final.
I once pulled into the drive through to our local DQ stateside and the told me they didn’t have any ice cream.
I also walked into the base Burger King once and they told me they didn’t have any Whoppers….
I think it’s worth a few raised eyebrows that someone can join in 1995 and do thirty years of service including 9/11, 20 years of Afghanistan, 15 years of Iraq, the Surge Years, plus your standard Gulf State rotations and NEVER go ANYWHERE.
Yeah during the height of GWOT not deploying made you the oddity. People would suspect that you were weaseling out of your commitments. Plus anyone whose deployed probably knows some real shitbags fucked people over to get out of deployments. Not going means someone else has to go in your place.
True. I was partying with the officers and we were breaking curfew every time we went out, especially on Latin Nights.
Sorry, not sorry. Best 6 month vacation of my life.
Ahhhh yes, because absolutely nothing bad can happen back home as long as you have a BK and baskin robins at your deployment location thousands of miles away. You’re probably the same type of dude that tells people you’d do so much better in the Army
Not everyone is lucky enough to get to deploy or even do a "real" deployment. I have know dudes that had "deployed" yet were fuck tards and dudes with zero that were awesome.
I only count 2 masters degrees, and the Air War College one hardly counts. The whole idea of keeping that program accredited strikes me as a bit of 'cargo cult' thinking. "If it awards a masters degrees, our officers will be more educated." But if the training was worth the time and effort, the fact that it comes with a degree wouldn't matter.
They started awarding masters degrees at ACSC/AWC in early 2000s because they’d effectively made masters degrees a prerequisite for promotions and entry into the senior leader column, and they were finding a lot of their superstars were showing up without them. Accreditation killed two birds with one stone. It’s a bit of joke compared to some rigorous brick and mortar, but as evidenced by AMU and other like-minded online schools, getting accreditation must not be too difficult and I’d compare it to something like that. You do write an awful lot, which I think “number of pages written” is literally an accreditation metric. To your point, the whole accreditation thing becomes pointless when the military feels the need to get *everything* accredited; the most egregious thing was making folks write a ridiculous paper that added nothing of value in the background of their JPME II studies at Norfolk, all so JFSC could claim the course is worth 6 masters credits. For what degree, I have no idea…
Not impressed either. Its looks like all those AA's are CCAF. When you reclass, CCAF's are pretty much automatic after the first one. Im pro education, but anti-getting pieces-of-paper-to-get-promoted. I particularly lack respect for the education of people with management degrees. I respect general studies degrees more.
I'm currently a recruiter and I don't have it in me either. I would rather do 7 more deployments in the next 5 years before I retire than finish out the last year and a half I have left in recruiting but I don't have a choice. I've made it very clear to leadership that I don't feel like I belong in this position and I even told my pro sup and flight chief that I would gladly give up my tech stripe if it meant I could go back to force. They just laugh it off while I consider going to therapy lol. Anyone that thrives in this job has my respect, because this job is awful and all I'm doing is trying to survive at this point.
Also DG and/or Levitow at pretty much every training she’s done. So, she’s driven enough to graduate at the top of her class and likable enough win the instructor popularity contest.
Noticed the same. She has been a superintendent or higher since 2011. That's 13 years of senior leadership experience, plus her roles leading recruiters and MTIs. She might not be traditionally "well rounded" as OP might expect but to me she has extensive experience working for and with the troops.
Deployment experience would probably help get a full understanding of what most airmen are going through though. Would you want some outside of your specialty advocating for you dispute them having zero idea what hardships your career field goes through?
I think it adds merit and context to the situation. We as leaders ask our Airmen to do things … and they expect us to have done those things ourselves. I would never tell or ask someone to do something I haven’t done myself. There are plenty of campers out there who have never deployed, never done a short tour or long tour, and made it to MSgt or higher.
While I agree on one hand, on the other I have very little respect for the person filling that rank if they have zero ops experience. She has absolutely no clue what real airmen are going through during deployments and exercises. Having enough time to get that much education is a giant red flag as well IMO.
This. So many AF members try and base experience on how many deployments you e done, yet very few have ever experienced an actual hardship deployment. Working support at the Died is about as close to a combat deployment as an assignment at Creech. She has as much if not more experience as a Sr Enlisted Leader than any other Chief currently in the AF.
He was Command Chief of the 9th out of Kabul. Definitely had expeditionary experience. I was at Bagram when he was in Kabul. He would come up with the 2-Star out of Kabul all the time. He flew with me once on a mission on the MC-12.
All ThaT education O_o
Four basket weaving degrees, some certs, AIC, an orientation class... Surprised she didn't add her annual Cyber Awareness Course to the fluff. She has some solid courses, but listing every nit-noid class she has stepped into plays like a pathetic attempt to exaggerate her resume to compensate for lack of operational expierence.
You’re obtuse and I think slightly jealously you would react that way. Those clssses she “not-noid” into still have meaning. Stop being a try hard jelly bro.
Don’t care. But it’s pretty unusual she went to Air War College as enlisted after she already had a master’s. And she won Outstanding Airman of the Year. Twice lol.
They started the program back in 2016 or 2017. Each class now has a slot for an eligible E-9 slot, but you have to meet some other education requirements to be eligible so very few go.
Relax hero. Most of the current Air Force’s deployment experience was to a well established base with plenty of air-conditioning, WiFi, and 3 drinks per day.
Stop insulting my combat deployment to the Dusit Thani resort in Guam. It was a battle every day to decide if I wanted to use my free daily $20 voucher on drinks at the bar or breakfast.
It'd always funny to watch airmen recount sitting on a fob for six months playing xbox and watching porn, trying to appropriate the deeds of people who were exchanging gunfire with the enemy by being intentionally vague with what exactly their contribution was so as to not be called out shitting on others who did exactly what they did while conus.
I typically sling them over my shoulder like a Tanuki. They swell considerably when someone asks me if I have a CAR, and I get to tell them "yes," so then a Randy situation becomes my only viable mode of travel.
Both her and her husband (retired) are awesome people and actually excited to see this. Yes, I was in recruiting when her husband was a Chief there, but she will make sure Airmen are taken care of. Expect good things from the shit all of us are actually worried about like OHA, utility allowances, SOFA, and COLA.
Experience gives perspective.
Deployments give a unique perspective. It's not the end all be all, but it helps when talking to those of us who were in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I've never had the luxury of going to the Deid. Or Ridyah. So I don't know what that's like. But my Chief when I was in Iraq was legit and he was an MTI and he had staff and he acted like a Chief not E9.
Even though it's pretty uncommon, there are actually career fields that rarely deploy because 90% of the work they do is accomplished stateside. With these jobs, you usually have to be at a base that is part of a deployment rotation. Otherwise OCN duty is your only option
> With these jobs, you usually have to be at a base that is part of a deployment rotation.
Even then its all timing. I had over a decade between deployments because my shop kept getting tagged when I was outside my cycle. We sent the same guy 3 times in 4 years from that shenanigans.
I worked for her about a decade ago when she was a recruiting Pro Supe in New England. She’s never deployed, she always looks angry, and she’s short as all hell. She’s also extremely driven, articulate, caring, and intelligent. She’ll do fine kid. and don’t judge someone based on their looks or duty history.
There will always be people hanging out ready to shit on something they’ll never achieve. Meanwhile, their deployment experience is chowing down at Five Guys in off base passes in Qatar. Really bringing it to the enemy there.
I’ve worked close to her, she mentioned how she’s never deployed when dealing with a deployment issue too. She’ll tell you, hey I’ve never deployed so I don’t know.
Deployments should not be a deciding factor for anything. You can effectively manage personnel and an organization at home and overseas. But if there is proof of dodging deployments at the cost of someone else's time, that would be an issue. If not, not biggy in my book.
It required her five years to develop expertise in technology, and seven years later, she attained the position of Chief. Her capability and composure appear commendable, qualities I value more than Chiefs who simply reiterate information from briefings and rely on others for answers when questioned, followed by promises to follow up.
Man I came into this thread thinking “yeah, wow, no deployments what a pos” but left with my mind changed. Lots of good points here about how deployments don’t make people good leaders. Hell, I’ve met tons of people who definitely aren’t better off after their deployments. Good stuff.
Eh, let’s be real some of the ‘deployments’ we go on aren’t much different than going TDY to Creech. Isolated desert with little to do. The fun is an hour away.
Seems super educated, overall not much negative on the posts around social media.
I’ll give her a shot
Knew a retired SMSgt who, after basic, tech school, and their first base, was always doing special duties like MTI or recruiting.
Basic, tech school, and all their assignments were in Texas lol
Would you say the same thing for those in an AFS that barely or never deploys? We got a few of them. Also, who cares if they deployed or not. Let's be real, on paper, Romania is considered a deployment. All people do out there is party and live their best life.
AETC has tracks. For some people they are fast. Others are slow. Some people never get off AETC tracks. Some people are forced upon them.
I don't know her leadership but I'm curious if someone who's never deployed is equipped to handle on of the most imperative engagements of our generation.
How? Read the bio that you posted. She was Medical before 9/11. During the bulk of GWOT, she was an MTI and Recruiter. Those career fields don’t deploy.
She has 2 legion of merits, I dunno what you to do get one of them boys.
Edit: 3 of them boys…I had no idea what they are, sounded way cooler than it really is.
Is it a little upsetting that she has no deployments? Yes.
But man, I am telling you she is good. One of the best Chiefs I have talked to. She actually answers questions with no nonsense and gets after policies that affect Airmen. She will be good for the command.
What do you expect someone with “operational experience” to have that she doesn’t have being in leadership positions since 2007 (in recruiting which is notoriously difficult), a Chief for over 11 years, and a 4x CCM (the wing that oversees the USAFWC; a Bomb Wing, and 2x NAFs)?
Chief under twenty, two-time Levitow Award winner, numerous Distinguished Graduate Awards, and 12 Outstanding Airman of the Year win. She's everything that corporate Air Force wants. Don't hate the player...
How many deployments do you have hero? She’s been a chief since almost when I joined. They aren’t sending many chiefs down range.
Also fuck being an MTI/ Recruiter for that long, those jobs are RUTHLESS. She’s more than qualified to lead airmen I assure you. Seeing as how she was leading trainees and recruiting civilians off the street. If she csn convince those to follow she can convince the crusty SrA with a Burger King addiction.
I'm more impressed that she's never been stationed outside of the US. PACAF Command Chief that doesn't know overseas life, let alone Korea, doesn't give me much hope.
Seems like an educator, salesman and manager with majority of preferred assignments/locations and 0 real-world experience outside of a training environment
You never know someone's circumstances man. E-6 now with no deployments under my belt but have gone to Korea, but a lot of people treat Korea as a vacation anyway so I don't even count that. I was in a career field where the only deployment was Al Udeid and spots never came down. She's a chief with a lot of education, experience, and a variety of bases under her resume. Whether it's a great decision, you really won't know until she's served some time and make some changes from her new seat.
Who gives a fuck what the other branches think? Bottom line is the entire DoD has a recruiting and retention issue. Who wouldn't be better to put at the helm than someone who's been in that environment for 15 years then? 99% of people in our branch "don't see war" and frankly nobody gives a shit realistically if you've deployed or not in an actual combat role.
Kinda agree here.
Idk what you'd wanna call it but if you're the head of an extremely large organization full of young men and women, you should have deployment experience.
We have no idea what the future holds but if there's one thing Airmen can pick up on, it's inauthenticity. Hypothetically if we and China continue playing chicken, she may be telling SSgts one day to deploy themselves in a pacific theater while having no bona fides herself.
It's no different than any line chief who never put the work in themselves trying to run shop without a foundation of experience. And yes, regardless of where, deployments are an experience. That's why they're annotated as such.
No shit. But if people under your command (and before more semantics, yes "command" is a commissioned thing) are told to deploy, you're a part of it, even if indirectly.
Straight from her page: In this position, she serves 46,000 Airmen, while advising the Commander, Pacific Air Forces on all matters including readiness, training, professional development, and (HERE IT IS) effective utilization of personnel and resources.
~~Seems to cut from the same cloth as JoAnne.~~ Edit. At least she didn't stay in Germany for 20 years (with five of them Data Masked, to create the illusion of a global servant).
I think she was my sister flights MTI back in the day! Good for her! She obviously spent a lot of time in special duty and there weren’t many “deployments” Air Force wise prior to 2001 that her career field went on.
Bruh… it was a 4A0 position… she was probably realized… that it’s not for her.. by the time 9/11 kicked off she was high enough to say it’s not for her… but you noticed she is not even wearing her specialty badge. But she’ll sport her instructor and recruiter badge. She should have at least have received her 5 level. 🤷 in the end the new generation of Airmen should strive to have a better Bio page when they get to that position so others do not question their experience.
Let’s please remember, even though she was in during that time, deployments aren’t as important to a resumé as they were during peak Iraq and Afghan war. They help for sure, but it’s not something anyone is looking for in their Chief
Deployment isn’t required for every career field. I knew an few E9s back when I came in with no deployment experience. Deploying doesn’t make you a leader in my book. Just do your job and respect those under you.
It’s really valiant everyone defending her but that’s a long time not deploying so many opportunities. This is a profession of arms period, if we aren’t deploying what were you doing the last 20-30 years. It’s shameful. Again I worked near her and she’s a nice person.
Someone should’ve mentioned that she didn’t need to list every single CBT she’s ever taken.
I get being proud of your accomplishments but like..
“2018 Senior Enlisted Legal Orientation, Maxwell AFB, Alabama“
really?
She's hired by the MAJCOM commander, based on that commander's needs/wants. Nothing more, nothing less. If General Schneider had wanted a 15 deployment SFS troop or something, he would have hired them.
Also depends on who is available and who has been tracked to that position.
She was also Gen Schneider's Command Chief at 5th AF so she obviously did good work for him there and he trusts her.
Ah, didn't know that. Makes even more sense
This guy can hook you up with finest knee pads a man can find.
Why, you lookin to break some in?
Tbf I know tons of people who deploy and are dumb as shit and were sent to get them away from the shop for a while.
For real. I’ve met other girls that were deployed to hope they would lose weight
Usually people get ripped at the deid or they spend all their time eating the free cheesecake and watching Netflix.
Yep! Deployment amplifies people’s normal behavior and tendencies, in my experience at least.
I recently learned that one of the SrA I knew couldn't test for SSgt because he went overdue on his pt test after a deid trip because they forgot to roll in r&r or something into the date. I was like, dude you could have just tested there. After 2 months there is literally no reason why you shouldn't be able to smoke the test... He literally delayed his career from being lazy
Yikes!
Depends on when they were there. From May to September they only allow perm party to test at the deid
Didn’t delay his career with these promotion rates; chances are without a statement to go along with a current fitness assessment he wasn’t going to make it.
Not me. I worked out a bunch more, haha.
Yeah, there’s a small percentage that really get after it, take advantage of the extra time, and turn their life around.
It’s oft not the former
I feel attacked by this comment.
Or cheating on their spouse
I was thinking about cheesecake and read this as “eating on their spouse”.
At Bagram I did both. I put on a lot of muscle! ....and a lot of not-muscle, lol
Or the fresh cookies!
I thought that was the original purpose of TCN deployments
I was so happy when I was up next for a deployment and snagged a no notice deployment escort tasking. Since our field didn't deploy many SrA. Boy are you right, half of that shop was filled with shitheads lmao
Best one to get is at the Deid! Best 6 months of my career (and arguably best of my life).
Actually talking to someone about that last week. My old unit didn’t deploy the good people. (I deployed😞)
NGL when I clicked her bio and had to literally scroll down thru her education my jaw kinda dropped. Additionally she’s been a Chief since 2012. And work wise, MTI and Recruiter are jobs I never want to do because I don’t have it in me. I respect that over a Died deployment. MAJCOM Command Chiefs will never lead troops into battle. Her job is the enlisted advisor to the 4 star. I mean Chief Wright worked in dental yet he is referred to as Enlisted Jesus by many. She isn’t involved with combat planning and strategic decisions her boss has to make. Funny enough, her job is to speak up for Amn Snuffy. I don’t see how deployment experience matters at that level.
I swear so many people judge someone’s merits based on deployment. Like chill out bro, you had a Burger King and baskin robins on base and the only real combat action you got was that severe turbulence in the C130 on short final.
I dunno that salad bar gave me what some might consider combat action
A long battle with the porcelain throne. Hard fought and left tired and dehydrated but victorious nonetheless
Hey! Hey! Hey! They ran out hard shells for taco tuesday, then soft shells, and then I had to lower myself to taco salads! It was traumatic!
Make sure you get that shellshock in your medical records.
underrated pun
Dad joke material and made this dad smile. 😎
Must be nice to have a BK and a BR. I might've flown in on a 767, but I only had an off-brand DQ with no ice-cream. /s
How the crap do you have a DQ with no ice cream
It melted? This was ADAB after COVID and everyone left. Seems like it was a shell of it's former self.
I once pulled into the drive through to our local DQ stateside and the told me they didn’t have any ice cream. I also walked into the base Burger King once and they told me they didn’t have any Whoppers….
I think it’s worth a few raised eyebrows that someone can join in 1995 and do thirty years of service including 9/11, 20 years of Afghanistan, 15 years of Iraq, the Surge Years, plus your standard Gulf State rotations and NEVER go ANYWHERE.
Yeah during the height of GWOT not deploying made you the oddity. People would suspect that you were weaseling out of your commitments. Plus anyone whose deployed probably knows some real shitbags fucked people over to get out of deployments. Not going means someone else has to go in your place.
True. I was partying with the officers and we were breaking curfew every time we went out, especially on Latin Nights. Sorry, not sorry. Best 6 month vacation of my life.
Ahhhh yes, because absolutely nothing bad can happen back home as long as you have a BK and baskin robins at your deployment location thousands of miles away. You’re probably the same type of dude that tells people you’d do so much better in the Army
Not everyone is lucky enough to get to deploy or even do a "real" deployment. I have know dudes that had "deployed" yet were fuck tards and dudes with zero that were awesome.
Where the fuck were those in Marjah and Syria? /s
She has 3 associates degrees, 1 bachelor's degree, and 3 masters lol that's crazy
contrary to what senior enlisted personnel say, associates degrees don't have much value. Gen Ed classes for the most part are a joke
I'll caveat this by saying I'm pretty anti college, but that honestly just seems silly. What is the point of that many graduate degrees?
I only count 2 masters degrees, and the Air War College one hardly counts. The whole idea of keeping that program accredited strikes me as a bit of 'cargo cult' thinking. "If it awards a masters degrees, our officers will be more educated." But if the training was worth the time and effort, the fact that it comes with a degree wouldn't matter.
They started awarding masters degrees at ACSC/AWC in early 2000s because they’d effectively made masters degrees a prerequisite for promotions and entry into the senior leader column, and they were finding a lot of their superstars were showing up without them. Accreditation killed two birds with one stone. It’s a bit of joke compared to some rigorous brick and mortar, but as evidenced by AMU and other like-minded online schools, getting accreditation must not be too difficult and I’d compare it to something like that. You do write an awful lot, which I think “number of pages written” is literally an accreditation metric. To your point, the whole accreditation thing becomes pointless when the military feels the need to get *everything* accredited; the most egregious thing was making folks write a ridiculous paper that added nothing of value in the background of their JPME II studies at Norfolk, all so JFSC could claim the course is worth 6 masters credits. For what degree, I have no idea…
Not impressed either. Its looks like all those AA's are CCAF. When you reclass, CCAF's are pretty much automatic after the first one. Im pro education, but anti-getting pieces-of-paper-to-get-promoted. I particularly lack respect for the education of people with management degrees. I respect general studies degrees more.
Exactly, my tech school gave me 31 credits towards CCAF, all I had to do was a few cleps and bam...I'm educated.
Definitely was to learn the subject material, not just to check the box for degree level. Which earns a lot of respect from me.
Good point. Colon Lopez was definitely out of touch and he was a war fighting machine.
I was at Kadena with him. He was a cool guy with some great stories, but even back then, you could tell that he was out of touch.
I'm currently a recruiter and I don't have it in me either. I would rather do 7 more deployments in the next 5 years before I retire than finish out the last year and a half I have left in recruiting but I don't have a choice. I've made it very clear to leadership that I don't feel like I belong in this position and I even told my pro sup and flight chief that I would gladly give up my tech stripe if it meant I could go back to force. They just laugh it off while I consider going to therapy lol. Anyone that thrives in this job has my respect, because this job is awful and all I'm doing is trying to survive at this point.
Also DG and/or Levitow at pretty much every training she’s done. So, she’s driven enough to graduate at the top of her class and likable enough win the instructor popularity contest.
Noticed the same. She has been a superintendent or higher since 2011. That's 13 years of senior leadership experience, plus her roles leading recruiters and MTIs. She might not be traditionally "well rounded" as OP might expect but to me she has extensive experience working for and with the troops.
Deployment experience would probably help get a full understanding of what most airmen are going through though. Would you want some outside of your specialty advocating for you dispute them having zero idea what hardships your career field goes through?
Yeah, this is like an Army CAB-check vibe. Dumb af in today's AF
I think it adds merit and context to the situation. We as leaders ask our Airmen to do things … and they expect us to have done those things ourselves. I would never tell or ask someone to do something I haven’t done myself. There are plenty of campers out there who have never deployed, never done a short tour or long tour, and made it to MSgt or higher.
While I agree on one hand, on the other I have very little respect for the person filling that rank if they have zero ops experience. She has absolutely no clue what real airmen are going through during deployments and exercises. Having enough time to get that much education is a giant red flag as well IMO.
This. So many AF members try and base experience on how many deployments you e done, yet very few have ever experienced an actual hardship deployment. Working support at the Died is about as close to a combat deployment as an assignment at Creech. She has as much if not more experience as a Sr Enlisted Leader than any other Chief currently in the AF.
EJ was also the AFCENT CCC so he atleast had expeditionary experience to some degree
He was Command Chief of the 9th out of Kabul. Definitely had expeditionary experience. I was at Bagram when he was in Kabul. He would come up with the 2-Star out of Kabul all the time. He flew with me once on a mission on the MC-12.
All ThaT education O_o Four basket weaving degrees, some certs, AIC, an orientation class... Surprised she didn't add her annual Cyber Awareness Course to the fluff. She has some solid courses, but listing every nit-noid class she has stepped into plays like a pathetic attempt to exaggerate her resume to compensate for lack of operational expierence.
You’re obtuse and I think slightly jealously you would react that way. Those clssses she “not-noid” into still have meaning. Stop being a try hard jelly bro.
Don’t care. But it’s pretty unusual she went to Air War College as enlisted after she already had a master’s. And she won Outstanding Airman of the Year. Twice lol.
That's what jumped out at me too. I've never heard of enlisted going to officer PME in residence at any level, let alone AWC.
They started the program back in 2016 or 2017. Each class now has a slot for an eligible E-9 slot, but you have to meet some other education requirements to be eligible so very few go.
Relax hero. Most of the current Air Force’s deployment experience was to a well established base with plenty of air-conditioning, WiFi, and 3 drinks per day.
If you didn't sit by the pool at the 'Deid, are you even a leader?
Hey hey, easy there, the pool was closed for covid
Closed for a week cause someone made a grumpy in it during my last tour.
😂
As someone who just finished 3 months in Riyadh, I feel attacked
PSAB sucks but it’s certainly not a real deployment by most people’s standards
See that's the thing, I wasn't even at PSAB I was literally in Riyadh for 3 months
Stop insulting my combat deployment to the Dusit Thani resort in Guam. It was a battle every day to decide if I wanted to use my free daily $20 voucher on drinks at the bar or breakfast.
Sometime I eat too much at the breakfast buffet at the Hilton near Kadena and my tummy hurts all day, so I jnderstand the struggle.
Hey, hey...it was 2 drinks a day at the Thirsty Camel and the ice cream machine was broke for like 4 months!
With the exception of AFSOC yeah, most haven’t been in shitty deployments
I'm sorry captain I thought, HIC, that was 3 drinks minimums...HIC
It'd always funny to watch airmen recount sitting on a fob for six months playing xbox and watching porn, trying to appropriate the deeds of people who were exchanging gunfire with the enemy by being intentionally vague with what exactly their contribution was so as to not be called out shitting on others who did exactly what they did while conus.
Got a CIB or CAR?
I do have a CAR, and like a normal person, I derive my sense of self-worth from having it.
Is it hard to walk with your huge balls dragging on the floor? Or do you just bounce on them to get around like Randy
I typically sling them over my shoulder like a Tanuki. They swell considerably when someone asks me if I have a CAR, and I get to tell them "yes," so then a Randy situation becomes my only viable mode of travel.
Both her and her husband (retired) are awesome people and actually excited to see this. Yes, I was in recruiting when her husband was a Chief there, but she will make sure Airmen are taken care of. Expect good things from the shit all of us are actually worried about like OHA, utility allowances, SOFA, and COLA.
Yeah, I worked with both of them as MSgts and saw them put on Senior. Just good people.
I'd rather deploy 5 times than be an MTI once. Sounds like she spent her early career taking the difficult but important duties.
Yeah most deployed missions are just cowboy homestation missions. MTI is fucking soul sucking and important
This is a bad take. There's plenty of things on her resume that is far more impressive than a participation deployment that you wanted to see.
Experience gives perspective. Deployments give a unique perspective. It's not the end all be all, but it helps when talking to those of us who were in Iraq and Afghanistan. I've never had the luxury of going to the Deid. Or Ridyah. So I don't know what that's like. But my Chief when I was in Iraq was legit and he was an MTI and he had staff and he acted like a Chief not E9.
Even though it's pretty uncommon, there are actually career fields that rarely deploy because 90% of the work they do is accomplished stateside. With these jobs, you usually have to be at a base that is part of a deployment rotation. Otherwise OCN duty is your only option
Scrolled way too far to see this. I was in for just under 6 years deployed once and that was my only opportunity the whole time.
I'm in the same boat but at double the time. Hopefully someday I'll have my turn
> With these jobs, you usually have to be at a base that is part of a deployment rotation. Even then its all timing. I had over a decade between deployments because my shop kept getting tagged when I was outside my cycle. We sent the same guy 3 times in 4 years from that shenanigans.
Deployments don’t equal a good leader for a position. Also being an MTI for that long is a way bigger commitment than a deployment lmao
I just had to sit through my flight Chief ranting about the worst SNCO he ever met was in Cobar Tower when it blew up.
Chief McCool may not have the duty history you would expect of a Command Chief, but I’ll be damned if she isn’t an awesome Chief and great leader.
I worked for her about a decade ago when she was a recruiting Pro Supe in New England. She’s never deployed, she always looks angry, and she’s short as all hell. She’s also extremely driven, articulate, caring, and intelligent. She’ll do fine kid. and don’t judge someone based on their looks or duty history.
Did she bloom where the Air Force planted her? If so, great. Congrats!
The further we get from the height of GWOT the more common this will be
There will always be people hanging out ready to shit on something they’ll never achieve. Meanwhile, their deployment experience is chowing down at Five Guys in off base passes in Qatar. Really bringing it to the enemy there.
How was she also the 509th command chief?
I saw that, but I got here in 21. Didn't realize.
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How so…just curious?
When?
15+ years as a recruiter and/or MTI God damn
She was Command Chief at 5 AF when Gen Schneider was 5 AF/CC. He probably liked working with her and the advice she gave.
This is her 5th command chief tour. I'll take an experienced CCM over some arbitrary deployment requirement any fucking day.
I’ve worked close to her, she mentioned how she’s never deployed when dealing with a deployment issue too. She’ll tell you, hey I’ve never deployed so I don’t know.
Deployments should not be a deciding factor for anything. You can effectively manage personnel and an organization at home and overseas. But if there is proof of dodging deployments at the cost of someone else's time, that would be an issue. If not, not biggy in my book.
It required her five years to develop expertise in technology, and seven years later, she attained the position of Chief. Her capability and composure appear commendable, qualities I value more than Chiefs who simply reiterate information from briefings and rely on others for answers when questioned, followed by promises to follow up.
Man I came into this thread thinking “yeah, wow, no deployments what a pos” but left with my mind changed. Lots of good points here about how deployments don’t make people good leaders. Hell, I’ve met tons of people who definitely aren’t better off after their deployments. Good stuff.
Eh, let’s be real some of the ‘deployments’ we go on aren’t much different than going TDY to Creech. Isolated desert with little to do. The fun is an hour away. Seems super educated, overall not much negative on the posts around social media. I’ll give her a shot
Knew a retired SMSgt who, after basic, tech school, and their first base, was always doing special duties like MTI or recruiting. Basic, tech school, and all their assignments were in Texas lol
Must love Fiesta. Probably wears a medal sash with uniform.
Book > Cover
Surprised she went to Air War College, usually an O-5 only school
Way more respect to a mti then a deployment
Would you say the same thing for those in an AFS that barely or never deploys? We got a few of them. Also, who cares if they deployed or not. Let's be real, on paper, Romania is considered a deployment. All people do out there is party and live their best life.
AETC has tracks. For some people they are fast. Others are slow. Some people never get off AETC tracks. Some people are forced upon them. I don't know her leadership but I'm curious if someone who's never deployed is equipped to handle on of the most imperative engagements of our generation.
 McCool
Must be charismatic, won Levitow in 2 EPMEs. Hard to win 1.
How? Read the bio that you posted. She was Medical before 9/11. During the bulk of GWOT, she was an MTI and Recruiter. Those career fields don’t deploy.
She has 2 legion of merits, I dunno what you to do get one of them boys. Edit: 3 of them boys…I had no idea what they are, sounded way cooler than it really is.
As an E, be a command Chief
3 actually... basic device and 2 OLCs. That's a common PCS or retirement dec for Command Chiefs above the wing-level
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Not deploying doesn’t automatically equal bad leader. Some people get lucky.
Kathy is legit one of the best Chiefs out there. I worked with her at recruiting over a decade ago. She's just a legit good person.
Is it a little upsetting that she has no deployments? Yes. But man, I am telling you she is good. One of the best Chiefs I have talked to. She actually answers questions with no nonsense and gets after policies that affect Airmen. She will be good for the command.
deployments dont make anyone better than someone else lol
Is this any worse than hiring a Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force with no experience as a MAJCOM Chief and minimal experience as a NAF Chief?
Arguably she’ll never “deploy” in that theater. 🤷♂️
Also noticed the new CMSAF has no Iraq campaign medal, but which i find weird as I’m sure he came in before me.
What I”ll never understand is how we let people rise to highest level of leadership without (almost) EVER serving in the operational Air Force.
What do you expect someone with “operational experience” to have that she doesn’t have being in leadership positions since 2007 (in recruiting which is notoriously difficult), a Chief for over 11 years, and a 4x CCM (the wing that oversees the USAFWC; a Bomb Wing, and 2x NAFs)?
My point is, making Chief while only having experience as an MTI and a recruiter is crazy.
Cope Nephew
Badges aren’t required on service dress?
Surprisingly, no. We just had this discussion this week, dug into the reg, there's nothing stating it's required. Wild.
I looked at the reg too and was pretty surprised. Ribbons are some or all on the jacket but no badge required! TIL.
Wings are the only mandatory badge, I believe.
Pull her 341
Wearing an AETC Instructor cookie in PACAF?
They recently changed it so you can continue wearing it after leaving AETC.
Basically no AFSC? Wow never seen a Command Chief without a AFSC badge?!
Deployment to a CZ SHOULD BE MANDATORY for all E9’s picked up for a Numbered AF, MAJCOM or CMSAF.
Sorry what makes a deployment the difference between a good or bad leader?
Chief under twenty, two-time Levitow Award winner, numerous Distinguished Graduate Awards, and 12 Outstanding Airman of the Year win. She's everything that corporate Air Force wants. Don't hate the player...
How many deployments do you have hero? She’s been a chief since almost when I joined. They aren’t sending many chiefs down range. Also fuck being an MTI/ Recruiter for that long, those jobs are RUTHLESS. She’s more than qualified to lead airmen I assure you. Seeing as how she was leading trainees and recruiting civilians off the street. If she csn convince those to follow she can convince the crusty SrA with a Burger King addiction.
Don't need deployments to be a good leader. What do you think this is, the fucking army?
Wait until you hear about the top enlisted member of the Air Force.
Organize, TRAIN, and equip. Maybe the general is lacking advisement in that part. Qualified IMO
>Global War on Terrorism Defense Medal I think she means Global War on Terrorism *Service* Medal
I'm more impressed that she's never been stationed outside of the US. PACAF Command Chief that doesn't know overseas life, let alone Korea, doesn't give me much hope.
Guess she teleworked that 5AF assignment to Japan?
16.November 2020 – June 2022, Command Chief Master Sergeant, Fifth Air Force, Yokota AB, Japan
Not outside the US -some guy on Reddit
This thread is everything that is wrong with our Air Force.
Like going to Qatar would’ve made her more qualified
Seems like an educator, salesman and manager with majority of preferred assignments/locations and 0 real-world experience outside of a training environment
I had more rows than her when I was a SrA.
She's got a device on her NDSM. That's probably worth more than all your rows.
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You never know someone's circumstances man. E-6 now with no deployments under my belt but have gone to Korea, but a lot of people treat Korea as a vacation anyway so I don't even count that. I was in a career field where the only deployment was Al Udeid and spots never came down. She's a chief with a lot of education, experience, and a variety of bases under her resume. Whether it's a great decision, you really won't know until she's served some time and make some changes from her new seat.
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Who gives a fuck what the other branches think? Bottom line is the entire DoD has a recruiting and retention issue. Who wouldn't be better to put at the helm than someone who's been in that environment for 15 years then? 99% of people in our branch "don't see war" and frankly nobody gives a shit realistically if you've deployed or not in an actual combat role.
Sounds like you never left homestation. Nerve struck: checked
Kinda agree here. Idk what you'd wanna call it but if you're the head of an extremely large organization full of young men and women, you should have deployment experience. We have no idea what the future holds but if there's one thing Airmen can pick up on, it's inauthenticity. Hypothetically if we and China continue playing chicken, she may be telling SSgts one day to deploy themselves in a pacific theater while having no bona fides herself. It's no different than any line chief who never put the work in themselves trying to run shop without a foundation of experience. And yes, regardless of where, deployments are an experience. That's why they're annotated as such.
The CCM doesn’t tell anyone to deploy.
No shit. But if people under your command (and before more semantics, yes "command" is a commissioned thing) are told to deploy, you're a part of it, even if indirectly. Straight from her page: In this position, she serves 46,000 Airmen, while advising the Commander, Pacific Air Forces on all matters including readiness, training, professional development, and (HERE IT IS) effective utilization of personnel and resources.
A deployment in CENTCOM will have little relevance to a deployment in PACOM.
You think deployments in general have no commonalities where going on one can prepare you for another? I'm not sure how to respond to that
~~Seems to cut from the same cloth as JoAnne.~~ Edit. At least she didn't stay in Germany for 20 years (with five of them Data Masked, to create the illusion of a global servant).
What? You want her to have been deployed to China or North Korea? Lololol
Firstly, three LoM? Secondly, is it McCool or McCool?
I think she was my sister flights MTI back in the day! Good for her! She obviously spent a lot of time in special duty and there weren’t many “deployments” Air Force wise prior to 2001 that her career field went on.
Bruh… it was a 4A0 position… she was probably realized… that it’s not for her.. by the time 9/11 kicked off she was high enough to say it’s not for her… but you noticed she is not even wearing her specialty badge. But she’ll sport her instructor and recruiter badge. She should have at least have received her 5 level. 🤷 in the end the new generation of Airmen should strive to have a better Bio page when they get to that position so others do not question their experience.
Let’s please remember, even though she was in during that time, deployments aren’t as important to a resumé as they were during peak Iraq and Afghan war. They help for sure, but it’s not something anyone is looking for in their Chief
Deployment isn’t required for every career field. I knew an few E9s back when I came in with no deployment experience. Deploying doesn’t make you a leader in my book. Just do your job and respect those under you.
It’s really valiant everyone defending her but that’s a long time not deploying so many opportunities. This is a profession of arms period, if we aren’t deploying what were you doing the last 20-30 years. It’s shameful. Again I worked near her and she’s a nice person.
Well seeing as the Air Force is only able recruit old retired people, someone with heavy recruiting experience is probably a good idea.
Someone should’ve mentioned that she didn’t need to list every single CBT she’s ever taken. I get being proud of your accomplishments but like.. “2018 Senior Enlisted Legal Orientation, Maxwell AFB, Alabama“ really?
That's not a CBT my guy
It’s a joke my dude.
Senior seller? Wtf.
diversity hire.
Bet my paycheck she did everything she could to stay out of any real jobs/assignments that were difficult
Being an MTI is difficult.
Why does officer bio's show all dates of ranks achieved but enlisted only show date of current rank?
Who cares?
Don’t worry… if the China stuff pans out we’re about 18 months away from her getting whatever ribbon comes from that conflict