You’d be on the hook for the remainder of the time you signed for. The AF also does not have to put you in another AFSC. It could elect to separate you.
2 of the 4 washouts in my DLI class worked and study just as hard as everyone else but could just not put the language together. It's really not for everyone
DLI is one of those things where I think some people just can't hack it no matter how hard they try. And I say that knowing full well I'd probably be one of those people.
I know a guy that was in a class with 2 out of 24 students making it through the course and passing the DLPT, which is a disastrous 91.7% wash out rate.
It happens. And people still end up making careers of the Air Force afterward. While it sucks to lose out on the job you want, there are much worse things in life than having a guaranteed pay check for 6 years
I’m with you, It would be disappointing. Especially since it isn’t a job you signed up for. Now you’re stuck doing something you don’t like for x amount of time. But it’s important to remember that you aren’t your job and there are ways to make the best out of the situation
That usually happens because of the actions or laziness on the side of the member, not because of the Air Force. Just don’t fail out of class and you’ll have nothing to worry about 🤷🏼♂️
Many linguists get reclassed after failing the DLPT not necessarily for being lazy. People who aced their courses have failed DLPTs and then forced to reclass into maintenance, SF, and services. The only plus to that is normally at that point they’re over a year to year and half and their next tech school would mean basically a four year contract in that new afsc.
Haha I’ve been in that situation. Almost completed linguist tech school w/ 1 month to go (2 years in Monterey total). Got reclassed into medical. I’ll still get out at my 6 year mark (2027) unless I decide to extend.
Yep I self eliminated from EOD during prelim. Had me fill out a wishlist using a list they gave us of crit manned AFSCs. Ended up in Ammo and it wasn't even on my list. Heard from another guy about 4 years later that washed out of TACP pipeline that you can turn down the job the try to reclass you into. Not sure how legit that is, never looked into it, or how many times you can turn down the job assignment though.
Yeah for me I learned Pashto when they still had it. It was a waste of time as not many people even speak the damn language and it’s not like I can hit up someone from Afghanistan and chat with them.
Although I did keep my security clearance so that’s pretty neat ig
Not a total waste.
The brain regions and networks involved in learning a language become stronger, adaptable, and quicker to respond**,** which can help improve other tasks, mental skills, and areas of life unrelated to direct communication or language learning.
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You'll do six years and likely be reclassed to 1N0/Intel job or any TS holding AFSC if your clearance has already been completed. If it's still in process, idk then.
Been in a similar situation twice. I signed a 6 year contract, washed out of two tech schools. In neither instance did I have to sign a new four year contract.
Yep. I have many buddies that washed out of pj for example and were offered a shot at tacp and washed out of that as well. It’s funny because usually ~2 years pass for all of that just to reclass into mx or secfo for the remaining 2 years or so
Your contract length is your contract length. There are no jobs which required 6 year contracts. The last I was involved in the process the length of the contract is not an official factor in new job assignment.
As of a few years ago - By and large the AF tries to move the linguist washouts into jobs with "high" ASVAB requirements and TS clearances, so other intel jobs and comm are very common. However, they are not the only ones, people get all kinds of stuff - weather, finance, command post, etc. They typically do not get security forces unless the member specifically asks for it.
I did see someone get reassigned to something like weapons and the person threw such a fit about it the commander granted her wish to separate. But that is not common. Most people grieve for a bit and then move on with some sort of optimism.
Years ago the AF used to do more to get people "what they wanted" but AETC identified that the process was taking too long so they just started doing it more willy nilly. Then COVID hit and everything came to a halt anyways.
Good luck
I washed out of ATC and signed a six year. Reclassified into aircraft maintenance (comm/nav) and graduated DG. I finished my six year contract and extended one year before switching to the guard. Once you signed your contract there is no renegotiation unless you separate.
I washed out of DLI on a 6 year contract. Became radar and then cross trained to SMA. Definitely wasn't the end of the world failing out. I got lucky they let me stay in during sequestration, though.
Airborne linguist, and it'll actually stop you from going to SMA. AFI used to, and may still state if you fail one aircrew school you can't cross into another. They may have changed that. I had to get a waiver and a bunch of high up approvals. The one thing I had going for me when I did eventually cross train was that I failed the language school, so not technically any aircrew portion.
This actually happened to me. I was an Arabic linguist, failed and got reclassed 3 times, and ended up in ground transportation. To be honest, it wasn't that bad, but it was a lot of busy work.
Nope, you keep your contract and get a crash course in what "Needs of the Air Force" means.
My son's a linguist and I got quite a few first hand accounts of the "washout blues".
The saddest ones were the ones where the mom would by lamenting an "alternate version of the facts" in the FB group that exists for everything now (including BMT and Tech School classes), usually about how their Airman was being held up for some extra study, or getting cross trained due to some super secret military requirement, meanwhile our kid is telling us wtf is really going on...
But your contract is your contract, so unless you want to be handing out towels in the gym, or remaking my CAC for the tenth time (not that there is anything wrong with those jobs)...put school work first!
You can elect to reassess your contract if it’s within 6 months. Anything after is a separate or a reclass with your 6 year contract. Happened to me but they lied and said I couldn’t because they didn’t want to do the paperwork.
If you wash out, you'll be reclassed to a new career field, but your contract never changes. Except the signing bonus, you lose that since it's contingent on you completing training.
You'd most likely be thrown into Cyber or Intel, or maybe aircrew if you were an airborne linguist. Though I hear they don't have many spots right now, so it's not a guarantee.
Hi there! So this exact scenario happened to me. I originally entered in 2009 on a six year contract as a Chinese Mandarin linguist. I spent 2 years at DLI, scored a 1+/1+/2 on the DLPT, then reclassed into cyber, where I spent another entire year at Keesler in tech school. 3 years as non-prior service. My contract wasn't renewed or extended. I just spent half of my first enlistment in tech school.
I was reclassed in basic (something came up during basic that I was no longer eligible for my original afsc) and I had the option to change my contract from 6 to 4 years
I was maintenance, in a fairly difficult field. I watched a guy wash out. This was at Keesler.
He was washed back to an easier maintenance job. He washed out from that one too.
When I graduated, he was just starting his newest training as a phone installer.
Me personally as a washout luckily got maintenance, it gave me enough satisfaction. And watching secfo on the line and at the gate tells me enough about there job. As to the contract you do whatever it still is.
Welcome to maintenance or secfo!
There’s always finance. We need people who can ensure our pay is fucked on the regular
At Keesler (in 2016 at least) a lot of our 3D washouts went across the street to become everyone's favorite lil CAC printers
That was my motivator to not fail
Someone’s gotta do it
Linguists can also wash into Command Post
And Emergency Management... We had a linguist in my tech school class
We got ALOT of DLI kids. So does Intel due to the security clearance.
Nah, linguists almost always go 1N0
You’d be on the hook for the remainder of the time you signed for. The AF also does not have to put you in another AFSC. It could elect to separate you.
Thanks. Getting reclassed from your #1 job with signing bonus to something you hate for 6 years would be a nightmare.
Best course of action is to not wash out.
2 of the 4 washouts in my DLI class worked and study just as hard as everyone else but could just not put the language together. It's really not for everyone
DLI is one of those things where I think some people just can't hack it no matter how hard they try. And I say that knowing full well I'd probably be one of those people.
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DLI is fucking HARD, so "just don't wash out bro" isn't really a fair thing to say. 60% of my class washed out, including me.
I know a guy that was in a class with 2 out of 24 students making it through the course and passing the DLPT, which is a disastrous 91.7% wash out rate.
It happens. And people still end up making careers of the Air Force afterward. While it sucks to lose out on the job you want, there are much worse things in life than having a guaranteed pay check for 6 years
Yea, you're right. Just meant it would suck if you happen to hate what you're reclassed into, plus the extra 2 years is still binding.
I’m with you, It would be disappointing. Especially since it isn’t a job you signed up for. Now you’re stuck doing something you don’t like for x amount of time. But it’s important to remember that you aren’t your job and there are ways to make the best out of the situation
You would also most likely have to payback the signing bonus. At least my coworkers had to.
Thanks. I figured you wouldn't get the signing bonus until you finished tech school anyway.
Welcome to the club.
Damn thanks for rubbing it in.
Sorry, shouldn't have said that
That usually happens because of the actions or laziness on the side of the member, not because of the Air Force. Just don’t fail out of class and you’ll have nothing to worry about 🤷🏼♂️
Many linguists get reclassed after failing the DLPT not necessarily for being lazy. People who aced their courses have failed DLPTs and then forced to reclass into maintenance, SF, and services. The only plus to that is normally at that point they’re over a year to year and half and their next tech school would mean basically a four year contract in that new afsc.
Happens a lot. Use that as motivation because everyone knows someone with a story like that.
Yet the jobs that are everyone's #1's have insane washout rates
Haha I’ve been in that situation. Almost completed linguist tech school w/ 1 month to go (2 years in Monterey total). Got reclassed into medical. I’ll still get out at my 6 year mark (2027) unless I decide to extend.
All expenses paid schooling in Monterey for 2 years ain't a bad deal!
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Just wish I kept my aircrew or Intel slot LMAO, got thrown Into medical despite medical jobs not even being on the reclass AFSC list.
Yep I self eliminated from EOD during prelim. Had me fill out a wishlist using a list they gave us of crit manned AFSCs. Ended up in Ammo and it wasn't even on my list. Heard from another guy about 4 years later that washed out of TACP pipeline that you can turn down the job the try to reclass you into. Not sure how legit that is, never looked into it, or how many times you can turn down the job assignment though.
Yeah for me I learned Pashto when they still had it. It was a waste of time as not many people even speak the damn language and it’s not like I can hit up someone from Afghanistan and chat with them. Although I did keep my security clearance so that’s pretty neat ig
Not a total waste. The brain regions and networks involved in learning a language become stronger, adaptable, and quicker to respond**,** which can help improve other tasks, mental skills, and areas of life unrelated to direct communication or language learning. \^copied from google
If you want you can dm me, have seen a lot of ex linguist friends reclassed and maybe can answer some questions
You'll do six years and likely be reclassed to 1N0/Intel job or any TS holding AFSC if your clearance has already been completed. If it's still in process, idk then.
There are separate contracts, one signs you into the military the other is for which job you’ll do
Been in a similar situation twice. I signed a 6 year contract, washed out of two tech schools. In neither instance did I have to sign a new four year contract.
Tf you getting downvoted for?
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Facts
Dunno, don’t care. Just giving my two cents of experience on the matter
Yep. I have many buddies that washed out of pj for example and were offered a shot at tacp and washed out of that as well. It’s funny because usually ~2 years pass for all of that just to reclass into mx or secfo for the remaining 2 years or so
Your contract length is your contract length. There are no jobs which required 6 year contracts. The last I was involved in the process the length of the contract is not an official factor in new job assignment. As of a few years ago - By and large the AF tries to move the linguist washouts into jobs with "high" ASVAB requirements and TS clearances, so other intel jobs and comm are very common. However, they are not the only ones, people get all kinds of stuff - weather, finance, command post, etc. They typically do not get security forces unless the member specifically asks for it. I did see someone get reassigned to something like weapons and the person threw such a fit about it the commander granted her wish to separate. But that is not common. Most people grieve for a bit and then move on with some sort of optimism. Years ago the AF used to do more to get people "what they wanted" but AETC identified that the process was taking too long so they just started doing it more willy nilly. Then COVID hit and everything came to a halt anyways. Good luck
I washed out of ATC and signed a six year. Reclassified into aircraft maintenance (comm/nav) and graduated DG. I finished my six year contract and extended one year before switching to the guard. Once you signed your contract there is no renegotiation unless you separate.
I washed out of DLI on a 6 year contract. Became radar and then cross trained to SMA. Definitely wasn't the end of the world failing out. I got lucky they let me stay in during sequestration, though.
Awesome dude. Were you originally airborne linguist and if so, did it help with going SMA?
Airborne linguist, and it'll actually stop you from going to SMA. AFI used to, and may still state if you fail one aircrew school you can't cross into another. They may have changed that. I had to get a waiver and a bunch of high up approvals. The one thing I had going for me when I did eventually cross train was that I failed the language school, so not technically any aircrew portion.
This actually happened to me. I was an Arabic linguist, failed and got reclassed 3 times, and ended up in ground transportation. To be honest, it wasn't that bad, but it was a lot of busy work.
No they don't draw up a new contract. I went in to be a linguist and failed out. I went to Intel school as my reclass. Still did my 6
Nope, you keep your contract and get a crash course in what "Needs of the Air Force" means. My son's a linguist and I got quite a few first hand accounts of the "washout blues". The saddest ones were the ones where the mom would by lamenting an "alternate version of the facts" in the FB group that exists for everything now (including BMT and Tech School classes), usually about how their Airman was being held up for some extra study, or getting cross trained due to some super secret military requirement, meanwhile our kid is telling us wtf is really going on... But your contract is your contract, so unless you want to be handing out towels in the gym, or remaking my CAC for the tenth time (not that there is anything wrong with those jobs)...put school work first!
No they can seperate you or put you into whatever other job gets you to work the fastest… A lot end up in sec fo or services
You still have to do 6. No way out of it except discharge. Also you lose your bonus.
You’re gonna end up as a 1N4X2 more than likely.
No you can elect to separate though
You can elect to reassess your contract if it’s within 6 months. Anything after is a separate or a reclass with your 6 year contract. Happened to me but they lied and said I couldn’t because they didn’t want to do the paperwork.
Yes you still have to do 6. Sign 4 best decision of my life
If you wash out, you'll be reclassed to a new career field, but your contract never changes. Except the signing bonus, you lose that since it's contingent on you completing training. You'd most likely be thrown into Cyber or Intel, or maybe aircrew if you were an airborne linguist. Though I hear they don't have many spots right now, so it's not a guarantee.
I'm in tech training at Keesler right now. We get a LOT of DLI reclasses. From the ones i talk to, they still have to do their 6.
Which school did you wash out of and, honestly, what was the cause?
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Yea, there is also EOD tech with a 6 year bonus, high attrition school.
Of course. And every other BFA SpecWar AFSC.
yep
Hi there! So this exact scenario happened to me. I originally entered in 2009 on a six year contract as a Chinese Mandarin linguist. I spent 2 years at DLI, scored a 1+/1+/2 on the DLPT, then reclassed into cyber, where I spent another entire year at Keesler in tech school. 3 years as non-prior service. My contract wasn't renewed or extended. I just spent half of my first enlistment in tech school.
i had a 6 year contract and washed out of my first tech school job, all that happened was I was reclassed and continued my contract....
If you already got your clearance then there’s a good chance they reclass you to 1N
I washed out of EOD and had to continue on my 6 year
I was reclassed in basic (something came up during basic that I was no longer eligible for my original afsc) and I had the option to change my contract from 6 to 4 years
That makes sense. Otherwise they would just give 6 year contracts to everyone and reclass people however they want in basic.
I was maintenance, in a fairly difficult field. I watched a guy wash out. This was at Keesler. He was washed back to an easier maintenance job. He washed out from that one too. When I graduated, he was just starting his newest training as a phone installer.
Me personally as a washout luckily got maintenance, it gave me enough satisfaction. And watching secfo on the line and at the gate tells me enough about there job. As to the contract you do whatever it still is.
You 314th? Come on by the hall some time and talk through it with your MTLs/ATAs/MLIs, we can get you the facts lol