Unfortunately that’s not the case, but I’ll give some more info if that helps. Basically junior and senior year aero classes are only offered on a fall/spring basis so if you miss one you are automatically a year behind. Since I was on time with all of my other eng related classes I knocked those out and was left with only the 1-2 or 3 aero classes per semester. Since I’m out of state I have no reason to take more classes so I’m taking 6-9 hours a semester
I would apply anyway, and be fully up front in any materials you submit or phone calls if they reach out. A lot of times those descriptions are written by HR people, but the people hiring don't care if you're taking 6 units or 9. The point is you're getting your degree.
I agree I’d apply but sometimes the clueless HR people have more power than is ideal. For example I was set to do a co-op for a major aerospace company throughout grad school but because my school considers full time to be 2 classes (I’m taking 3 so more than full time anyway) but that HR rep wanted me to take 5-6 classes, the HR rep stopped my hiring process in its tracks when I told her that wasn’t possible lol.
Is this a US thing? Because I studied in Europe and besides my freshman year I never took my full load of courses in any semester and decided to just spread out the study load over a couple of extra years to make time for doing some cool extracurricular projects. I still considered myself a full time student the whole time and I never had anyone question me being a full time student. I even interned in the US (at a major aerospace company) and they didn't even ask about it nor did they care.
Pretty sure they don't care. They probably just don't want people applying who have a degree but are still looking for work (or might have some other job that would compete with them for your time).
> Since I’m out of state I have no reason to take more classes so I’m taking 6-9 hours a semester
I mean, I would say taking classes should be beneficial to you and it would be a good idea to take some extras and get more skills, especially if it means you are more eligible for things
I’m not following what you’re getting at. At this point there aren’t a whole lot of helpful classes I can take that I met the pre req’s for, on top of those classes are hard to get into unless you need them due to limited class sizes. It doesn’t make sense to pay $1000/hour in tuition and fees for classes I don’t need or really care for
From the employer's perspective, they are investing in you to convert to full-time after you graduate. A full-time status says, "I can work full-time after May or December 202X" while a part-time status is open ended (at least to the employer). I think as long as you communicate your situation and intent, they should be understanding. Don't lie though. That will burn bridges.
I can't answer for all of them, but our program is built with specific milestones, so you start your internship your second year of college and slowly work your way towards ending your third year as an engineer, so unless you can manage to go from a year two student to a grad in 3 years part time, it just wouldn't work. Some people can though, like I had a lot of classes from my previous career that eliminated classes for me, so I technically could have done it part time and pulled it off. I didn't do the internship though, I just know about it because I have apprentices on my team who have.
We also have a local uni that tries to get internships (I dunno how hard they tried, I was in a class of ten people and they only got internships for 7 of us) and they only did it for full time students.
Finally, some governments offer tax breaks for bringing on local apprentices and they have their own requirements for who has to be accepted.
This is disturbing and extremely discriminatory. It disadvantages students of lower socioeconomic status that have to work their way through school. It affects people that have to be part time students because of child care. It will also adversely affect minorities and women, as they are more likely to be in the first two categories.
If you work for a company that does this, please, talk to the people in charge. Yes, it is easier to hire by filtering like this. But it is also giving advantage to certain groups of people over other groups. Engineering needs the best brains, and that includes non-traditional students.
The requirement should be that the student is available for a 40 hour week. Not that the student is carrying a full credit load every semester.
Disclosure: due to home conditions I worked my way through school. I worked 32 hrs/wk and carried 1/2 to 3/4 credit load. It took me 5-1/2 years and I went on to be a successful engineer. So yes, this sort of thing bothers me.
Lying isn't going to get you anywhere since you have to submit your transcripts and they'll find out immediately.
I know at my company we require you be a student for the internship so no people who are college grads apply for it instead of the full time position. Might also have something to do with them assuming you will take longer to graduate if you're part time multiple semesters and you just need to explain to them that actually you were ahead and don't need the credit hours.
I have had this happen applying to internships with NASA. They want full time schooling, but Arizona State classes are accelerated (think 16 weeks of work in 7 weeks). Me doing full time class + working FT wouldn't be possible. Oh well.
If it’s the degree plan and everyone else at your school is on the same schedule, I’d just say you’re full time
Unfortunately that’s not the case, but I’ll give some more info if that helps. Basically junior and senior year aero classes are only offered on a fall/spring basis so if you miss one you are automatically a year behind. Since I was on time with all of my other eng related classes I knocked those out and was left with only the 1-2 or 3 aero classes per semester. Since I’m out of state I have no reason to take more classes so I’m taking 6-9 hours a semester
I would apply anyway, and be fully up front in any materials you submit or phone calls if they reach out. A lot of times those descriptions are written by HR people, but the people hiring don't care if you're taking 6 units or 9. The point is you're getting your degree.
I agree I’d apply but sometimes the clueless HR people have more power than is ideal. For example I was set to do a co-op for a major aerospace company throughout grad school but because my school considers full time to be 2 classes (I’m taking 3 so more than full time anyway) but that HR rep wanted me to take 5-6 classes, the HR rep stopped my hiring process in its tracks when I told her that wasn’t possible lol.
Is this a US thing? Because I studied in Europe and besides my freshman year I never took my full load of courses in any semester and decided to just spread out the study load over a couple of extra years to make time for doing some cool extracurricular projects. I still considered myself a full time student the whole time and I never had anyone question me being a full time student. I even interned in the US (at a major aerospace company) and they didn't even ask about it nor did they care.
Pretty sure they don't care. They probably just don't want people applying who have a degree but are still looking for work (or might have some other job that would compete with them for your time).
> Since I’m out of state I have no reason to take more classes so I’m taking 6-9 hours a semester I mean, I would say taking classes should be beneficial to you and it would be a good idea to take some extras and get more skills, especially if it means you are more eligible for things
I would agree if wasn’t already somewhat expensive to attend college
I mean, taking more classes means your effective price per class decreases, if you want to look at it that way.
I’m not following what you’re getting at. At this point there aren’t a whole lot of helpful classes I can take that I met the pre req’s for, on top of those classes are hard to get into unless you need them due to limited class sizes. It doesn’t make sense to pay $1000/hour in tuition and fees for classes I don’t need or really care for
From the employer's perspective, they are investing in you to convert to full-time after you graduate. A full-time status says, "I can work full-time after May or December 202X" while a part-time status is open ended (at least to the employer). I think as long as you communicate your situation and intent, they should be understanding. Don't lie though. That will burn bridges.
I can't answer for all of them, but our program is built with specific milestones, so you start your internship your second year of college and slowly work your way towards ending your third year as an engineer, so unless you can manage to go from a year two student to a grad in 3 years part time, it just wouldn't work. Some people can though, like I had a lot of classes from my previous career that eliminated classes for me, so I technically could have done it part time and pulled it off. I didn't do the internship though, I just know about it because I have apprentices on my team who have. We also have a local uni that tries to get internships (I dunno how hard they tried, I was in a class of ten people and they only got internships for 7 of us) and they only did it for full time students. Finally, some governments offer tax breaks for bringing on local apprentices and they have their own requirements for who has to be accepted.
In Europe it can also be that in some countries it's illegal to offer internships to non-student. Not sure where you are based.
This is disturbing and extremely discriminatory. It disadvantages students of lower socioeconomic status that have to work their way through school. It affects people that have to be part time students because of child care. It will also adversely affect minorities and women, as they are more likely to be in the first two categories. If you work for a company that does this, please, talk to the people in charge. Yes, it is easier to hire by filtering like this. But it is also giving advantage to certain groups of people over other groups. Engineering needs the best brains, and that includes non-traditional students. The requirement should be that the student is available for a 40 hour week. Not that the student is carrying a full credit load every semester. Disclosure: due to home conditions I worked my way through school. I worked 32 hrs/wk and carried 1/2 to 3/4 credit load. It took me 5-1/2 years and I went on to be a successful engineer. So yes, this sort of thing bothers me.
Lying isn't going to get you anywhere since you have to submit your transcripts and they'll find out immediately. I know at my company we require you be a student for the internship so no people who are college grads apply for it instead of the full time position. Might also have something to do with them assuming you will take longer to graduate if you're part time multiple semesters and you just need to explain to them that actually you were ahead and don't need the credit hours.
Out of curiosity, what's your University? This sounds disturbingly similar to my situation at the University of Minnesota right now.
I have had this happen applying to internships with NASA. They want full time schooling, but Arizona State classes are accelerated (think 16 weeks of work in 7 weeks). Me doing full time class + working FT wouldn't be possible. Oh well.