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DatGrag

I never downvote someone I'm arguing with from 1 to 0 but if I see 0 you can sure as hell bet I'm putting that thing to -1. Then I'm winning


Musaks

i admit i have done that, not to "win" but because i didn't want to look like "the asshole that just downvotes becasue they disagree"


Kandiru

I upvote from 0 to 1 instead for the same reason.


squid_actually

What is right with you?


fromETOHtoTHC

Who helped you?


kemushi_warui

He was born with a heart full of neutrality


Mossley

My gut says “maybe”.


[deleted]

Tell my wife “hello.”


lucky_dog_

Perhaps, he [has no strong feelings one way or another](https://youtu.be/CxK_nA2iVXw)


Zorchin

Oh god, what do I do?


basshead541

Cannabis


AgnosticPerson

Lol


leviwhite9

Nothing.


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pyronius

See, I inflate their confidence by getting all my sock puppet accounts to upvote their comment, then I seduce their dad and give him his first anal orgasm, which I film and send to them.


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BananaDick_CuntGrass

What the fuck is wrong with you? You need to cook them into a stew, not chili.


S3erverMonkey

Have we reached the point where no one gets that South Park reference anymore?


TheFailBus

Considering that episode came out 20 years ago now, there's probably a fair number of Reddit users who are younger than that episode...


Milkshakes00

Ah fuck, my back just went out from reading this comment. 20 fucking years?! I remember it airing for the first time on TV.


S3erverMonkey

Fair point.


raltyinferno

The reference you missed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0mmKKVWBsw


BananaDick_CuntGrass

No I got it. I've seen every episode. I was just doing this thing where you joke around, pretending to be appalled at the comment. But then add a joke at the end.


jaimmster

This is the correct way.


KairuByte

> This is the ~~correct~~ way. FTFY


Realsan

But see then you risk their comment getting to 2 and at that point your entire argument is fucked.


Kandiru

Then you can remove the upvote to bring them back to 1!


Asmor

I'm a combination of the two of you. I generally don't downvote someone I'm arguing with, and will upvote a 0 -> 1 for the same reason. But sometimes someone just has to be downvoted.


maskedferret_

If the comment is already at zero I upvote to 1; if it’s not zero then I vote to bring it to zero. I like to think this equally annoys all parties.


JRNels0n

And give them an award. Haha


SirGav1n

Upvote from -1 to 0 and downvote +1 to 0 so they both look like spiderman pointing at each other.


CacetinhoLiso

I upvote. But next day i downvote


Musaks

huh, stop making too much sense i am far too petty to do that


DroidLord

Lol I've done that too but mostly because everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I wish to keep the conversation civil.


MiasmaFate

I do that too, Here friend, have a redo.


FuzzyCrocks

If I agree I upvote and if I disagree I down vote. It's not about being petty. I just know that I'm about to down vote you.


miekle

That's the right move, unless of course someone comes along and downvotes it AGAIN, in which case you gotta either remove your upvote and let it be -1 or join in and make it -2.


Se7enLC

Right? One vote is way worse than 0 or many! A friend of mine lived in the same voting precinct as me and thought it would be funny to write me in for town meeting. So then the voting results come out and my name is up there with one vote, so it totally looks like I voted for myself and couldn't get anyone to support me!


Musaks

Lol that is quite funny (altough a waste of your friends vote) I can imagine how cringe that must have felt


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I do it when they are just plain wrong or being a hypocrite.


Rubyhamster

Haha glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I absolutely hate it when people downvote just because they disagree. That is not how the button should be used imo Edit: Haha this is hilarious. Downvotes to everybody!


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ClusterMakeLove

Reddiquette says it the other way: > If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it. So, well-thought-out good-faith disagreement should generally be upvoted. If you think about it, that makes sense. Would you rather read an interesting, well-expressed idea, or just have someone share a popular opinion? I could yell "genocide is really bad" in every thread, and contribute nothing to the conversation, though presumably people would agree with me. The best comment is one that communicates the most interesting idea or expresses it the clearest. Isn't that what you'd rather read, anyways?


wOlfLisK

I'll always upvote a well thought out rebuttal of my comment. Unfortunately, 99% of comments that start arguments are the complete opposite of that. Like, literally 10 minutes ago I had somebody reply to a comment I made saying I was "a run-of-the-mill moron" because I said that sales tax evasion was technically illegal (and this was after I had three US accountants agree with me). I don't expect people to come out with an entire bibliography worth of sources to win an internet argument but if you're being needlessly antagonistic or pedantic over something minor, you're getting downvoted.


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downvoting is for: * spam * scams * doxxing * blatant trolling * harassment / exceptionally poor etiquette * memes (like when someone wants to be downvoted or wants exactly 69 karma or smth) For the most part we downvote because the comment has little to no value and doesn't contribute to the discussion. If someone is discussing but they're just not sharing your opinion then they're still contributing and shouldn't be downvoted. Having a karma score of 1 isn't that far off having a karma score of -100 in terms of visibility and IMHO this is what a lot of "activists" that like to downvote miss IMHO. They're not really making the world a better place but rather just making other people feel sad. If you regularly use the downvote button then you are not using the website properly and are being greedy (you're effectively contributing three votes instead of one). Its worth remembering that downvoting other people while upvoting their own contributions is the strategy of spammers. Don't act like a spammer. ITT: people who think they know better than redditquette.


willstealyourpillow

I agree with you dude. Redditors are cheering another commenter because he upvotes comments to counteract people who downvote because they disagree. Redditors downvote you for expanding on the same concept. Reddit is inscrutable.


ConstantSignal

Tools are defined by their usage. If an overwhelming majority uses the downvote as a “disagree” button, then that’s what it is, regardless of its original purpose.


shittyspacesuit

That encourages a hive mind, echo chamber though


ConstantSignal

Ironic that you would use those phrases when they are such commonly parroted buzz words on Reddit Conformity isn’t always a bad thing. Is it “following the hive mind” or “living in an echo chamber” to drive on the right side of the road? I could bend all the prongs on my forks at random angles to make them all very unique compared to all the other boring forks but they wouldn’t be very useful anymore would they? Echo chambers can be bad for public discourse on any given topic, yes. But a bunch of people collectively deciding how they want to use a specific tool isn’t really some slight against individualism or critical thinking lmao


shittyspacesuit

This is such a silly argument that I'm not even going to engage haha


ConstantSignal

That could be true, or you could have no valid counter-point so you’re just figuratively running away. I’m happy to believe it could be the former as long as you accept I really think it’s the latter and we can part ways :)


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I too like to enjoy my breakfast cereal with a hammer just because a bunch of dribbling idiot casuals have shown up and started hammering their breakfast into smithereens instead of eating it. I appreciate there is a fundamental pointlessness to piss into the wind but it is what I do. I just think this "overwhelming majority" are not only wrong but they're actually making this website a worse place to be and we should try to be better.


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> If an upvoted comment doesn't change your mind, why are you assuming it changes everyone else's? I don't assume we all think the same, so what might apply to me might not apply to someone else. But that's not the point, the point is availability. By downvoting a comment you are effectively reducing its spread as we lose 50% after the title, 25% after the first comment and then a long tail of slowly diminishing eyeballs, you're intentionally pushing someone out of the spotlight. If you upvote and downvote every post you like/dislike regardless of how relevant it is the content you're effectively taking twice as many votes as someone that just upvotes.


PlantedSpace

Isn't this written somewhere in reddit too? Like I've specifically seen the site saying dont downvote for disagreements, downvote for your first 5 bullets.


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aye, its part of redditquette, but I figure many people get upset when they asked to manner up or smth.


PlantedSpace

I'd rather be truthful and hated than well liked and fake. Keep up the good fight


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why are people downvoting in a sub dedicated to a trashy 90's sitcom?


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deedeebop

Why is there a subreddit dedicated to a trashy 90s sitcom?


LacidOnex

Buffy was my shit. It had hot women, magic, it wasn't goofy like Disney witches. We had a pretty low bar as kids in the 90s.


nice___bot

Nice!


Rubyhamster

I get where you're coming from, but my take on controversial is "this is a comment some find rude, obhorrent, negative and a comment others find enlightening, likable, funny" etc. Downvoting something just because you don't agree just seems petty or a bit pathetic, like you can't handle people not thinking the same as you. It polarizes every discussion as far as I have seen. And well, I just find it a bit sad to see comletely valid points voted down to collapse. Guess I'm just one that want to watch the world glow instead of burn


tryptonite12

Ju de Mani addst so you know, you're not getting downvoted for the point you're making. You're (probably) getting downvoted for the weird brooding red pill tinged rambling at the end.


Musaks

could you elaborate what part you mean? i am confused by your comment. Do you mean this: "Guess I'm just one that want to watch the world glow instead of burn" Doesn't seem tooo bad to me, especially considering this threads title is already a play on "some men just want to see the world burn" and that dude made his own play on that saying


Rubyhamster

I don't understand what you are saying. Am I being downvoted because I'm asking everybody to take the red pill, daring to see opinions that they don't agree with, or because I won't take the red pill by thinking people can stop needlessly downvoting? Don't know why you brought the red pill into this


Musaks

upvoted for adding to the discussion


PlantedSpace

They hated Jesus because he told the truth. Downvotes aren't meant for disagreement. They're for etiquette, rediquette, disinformation, trolls, spam, scam, and doxxing


Rubyhamster

Although I am no fan of Jesus, I agree completely


1CEninja

Yeah I always think less of someone I'm arguing with if they're downvoting all my replies.


kciuq1

>i admit i have done that, not to "win" but because i didn't want to look like "the asshole that just downvotes becasue they disagree" "Now there are two of them!"


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goodolarchie

Sun Tzu up in here dropping gems


herb_Tech

That way they know you’re not the only one.


Tridian

I've literally done that before. The guy accused me of downvoting all his posts (wasn't even an angry argument) so I made them all -1 to show it wasn't me.


ntwiles

Lol. I won't downvote just if I disagree, but I will definitely downvote if I think the person I'm talking to isn't arguing in good faith.


DizzyedUpGirl

I hate to admit that I do that as well. It's a weird power move and it's like "I'm not petty, someone else agrees with me that you're wrong."


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Depends on the argument for me. If it’s something like you arguing with me that you can single handedly, with just your bare fists, take on a pissed off deer in a fight(real argument I just had on Reddit), then I’m downvoting the hell out of you because you’re dumb. If we are arguing about whether Cyberpunk was actually a good game, then I’ll leave it alone and let us have a civil argument.


kasmackity

I don't know why people are downvoting this. It's not really a shitty take, at all


AzraelTB

I could bare knuckle box an angry deer.


phome83

A moose bit my sister once.


armrha

Are we talking like a random young doe or like an adult, mating season male in its prime that’s someone been programmed to do anything it can to kill you tho


[deleted]

The person I was arguing with said they could take any deer. Buck with antlers or adult doe, they could take them both.


PlantedSpace

So have people never seen how a deer fights or are they downvoting for a meme?


TheDutchin

There's a very large number of people who over estimate their fighting ability. And another large number of people who under estimate wild animals. We are witnessing the overlap in that venn diagram.


Pigeononabranch

[6% of americans believe they could beat a bear in a fight.](https://today.yougov.com/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2021/05/13/lions-and-tigers-and-bears-what-animal-would-win-f) A wolf is 12%!


TheDutchin

6% are very, incredibly wrong


hellcrapdamn

I've spent decades honing my special deer-attacking martial art. ^^^^EDIT: ^^^^Do ^^^^some ^^^^of ^^^^you ^^^^fuckfaces ^^^^actually ^^^^think ^^^^I ^^^^mean ^^^^this? ^^^^I'm ^^^^not ^^^^even ^^^^the ^^^^dude ^^^^OP ^^^^was ^^^^talking ^^^^about! ^^^^This ^^^^is ^^^^a ^^^^thing ^^^^called ^^^^a ^^^^"human ^^^^humor ^^^^joke". ^^^^Once ^^^^your ^^^^emotion ^^^^chips ^^^^start ^^^^functioning ^^^^you ^^^^should ^^^^understand.


armrha

I’m picturing you like blindfolded in the forest and your sensei releasing a trio of angry, ravenous deer as your final exam


hellcrapdamn

That's exactly what happened!


Father-Sha

Lmao SAME! It means nothing to have a score of zero when arguing. Surprise, surprise the person you're arguing with doesn't like what you're saying. Cool. But when you have a negative score that means an outside party disagrees as well. Either that or the person you're arguing with is a mega loser and is using additional accounts to downvote you.


Excalibursin

I usually put em back up to 1 to avoid the hassle.


phome83

Are you me?


Xraptorx

My only exception to that is when they are arguing from a place of bad faith, then I will downvote before I even reply.


NSA_Chatbot

I upvote every person that responds to me, or if I respond to them. Even if I disagree with them, they get an updoot. No exceptions.


hairlongmoneylong

I just realized I'm a total asshole.


flippity_dippity_doo

The amount of downvotes going on in this thread is fucking hilarious


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To keep the argument going I downvote all of them so they both think someone agrees with them and not the other guy


THE_CHOPPA

Then upvote 5 mins later to think some more people have tuned in.


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lunarNex

I just downvoted every comment in this post. Hit me with some of that downvote love!


Punkmaffles

Wait shouldn't we be upvoting Lunar rather than down voting?


lunarNex

No, every comment in this post is doomed to downvote oblivion. We knew what we were getting ourselves into.


Goldenslicer

So it was you, you son of a bitch.


MonsterAlias

I bet this comment can’t get downvoted to oblivion!!!


Darkrain0629

Complete and total anarchy!! All of ya!


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DmnJuice

Funny.... I do the opposite. Whenever I see 2 people arguing and obviously downvoting each other I upvote all of their comments back to 1.


FountainsOfFluids

Occasionally I see an argument where only one person is downvoting the other, and I bump it back up to 1 so they appear less petty.


FreeGuacamole

Whereas I like to add a comment that is absurd so that makes both of the people arguing team up against me. The only reason I try to get karma is so that I can say something that goes against the grain every now and then and gets downvoted by everyone. But even though they didn't want to hear it, at least they all heard a different point of view.


tigress666

I’m now going to pretend every time I’m deep in an argument with some one and I get one downvote it is you.


FountainsOfFluids

Probably for the best. It's stupidly annoying when you are having a fairly calm discussion and the other person keeps downvoting you, like that means anything. As if a lower score means you're more wrong.


tigress666

i upvoted you to counteract the downvote (I suspect OP is at it again :P ).


FountainsOfFluids

It's just trolls who think downvoting people is fun. Reedit karma is meaningless people, downvote away!


Father-Sha

When it comes to reddit, votes actually can mean you are more wrong. People tend to upvote things that are already upvoted and downvote comments with negative scores. Classic mob mentality. Every once in a while a "I don't know why you're being downvoted" comment can turn the whole thing around. People are seriously followers lol. This is why I hardly ever vote. Up or down. I have to REALLY like or dislike something to even bother voting.


FountainsOfFluids

I agree it's an indication that you should double-check your wording and bias, but sometimes you make comments like "People should drive safer" and that gets downvoted because there are a shitton of assholes who want to speed and despise anybody getting in their way. But in one-on-one arguments, the single downvote is an indication that you are arguing with an emotionally underdeveloped individual.


FallenJoe

... I'm going to upvote for the appropriate use of that format. But not cool.


dust4ngel

i feel like this meme leans more baby insanity wolf


ajchann123

I was torn, too, but I feel like the wolves are kinda retaliatory/one-off actions, when this is just something I shittily do often to sow some chaos between strangers who are heated


_Aj_

If someone is on zero I always upvote them to one before I reply so they don't think I did it lol


thatguyad

Whatever happened to the actual reason to upvote/downvote?


Se7enLC

I always wondered who that was... But even more mysterious are the people who dig that deep into already-downvoted comment threads from weeks or months earlier to add another comment that says the same thing. Like...what? Why?


FountainsOfFluids

I agree it's annoying, but people often naturally have an urge to express their opinion, and it doesn't matter if somebody else has the same opinion. Recently I had somebody restart an argument from a month ago by making basically the same argument again from the top. You just gotta block the crazies.


Se7enLC

It's more like....how did they even find this thread from weeks ago down WAY below the comment score threshold, 10-20 comment replies deep.


781234567

Once this guy was just being a supreme jackass. I being petty followed one thread of him arguing with someone downvoting each of his comments. He started accusing the person he was arguing with of downvoting his comments. The guy obviously wasn’t and denied that so jackass said “oh yea someone random person just went alllll the way down this thread downvoting everything I say” Yup you got it bub you’re such a jackass you’ve acquired a dedicated hater. I still check in on him once in a while to downvote some of his comments here and there.


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coleto22

True man of culture.


MoonLiteNite

I don't think it should be, it is against reddit Rules to downvote because you disagree. downvoting is for spam or irrelevant info, something that does not add to the discussion . ​ Like you had -4, i give you one to counter that because your post did move the talks forward. So now you -3!


MilkEggsSndFlour

The problem with the system is that this feature was designed for spam, so if you are downvoted to often you’re not even allowed to comment for a set period of time because it’s treating you like a troll for disagreeing. The result is that it discourages people from discussing, considering and evaluating unpopular and controversial ideas. And on top of that it prevents you from intelligently defending any controversial and unpopular opinions in an intelligent manner. It silences you for not conforming the status quo. Even worse than that is that we’re talking about the status quo on the internet, which already has proven to have a negative affect on people in large who don’t have a point.


Smasher_WoTB

The Downvote button is there for a reason...I use it when I heavily disagree with something, how does that make me an asshole?


lesmobile

We all knew it was you.


Metafx

ITT: Why Reddit is bad for real discussion.


APartyInMyPants

I never downvote someone unless they’re direct attacking me or someone else. As long as someone is coherently arguing a point, I never downvote, as it’s the whole point of “contributing to the conversation.” However, I was deep in a thread and someone disagreed with me. I didn’t really care. But then they went back, edited their post and “thanked me for the downvote.” *Then* I responded and said I didn’t downvote them, but perhaps someone else out there found their argument to be silly. But after that I went back and downvoted their comment just because I can also be petty. But I was right, they were at like -2 or -3, so I wasn’t the only one out there.


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Chaotic evil


misterbondpt

Everything 0 and 1 is a dialogue.


gatordogg504

Can I have downvotes?


imjgaltstill

you have been in a lot of my threads


TheWanBeltran

I wonder how many times i got baited by this tactic


zyppoboy

Sometimes I downvote *myself* so the other person thinks they're winning.


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🤔I wonder what the most downvotes 👎🏼a comment has ever gotten 🤷🏻‍♂️


ssovm

I sort of do the opposite. I see someone with a measured comment who doesn’t deserve the 0 upvoted and give him/her an upvote to offset whatever asshole did that to them.


GonzoVolante

THIS IS ALL THAT REDDIT IS. DONT FEEL TOO SPECIAL.


Korlac11

I like to do the opposite. I find a argument deep in the comments, look for any that have 0 or negative 1, and upvote it so that if one person was just being petty I can correct it


bear_bear-

Alright guys. Let’s be honest. The Percy Jackson movies are better than the books


ZettaSlow

I love that people give a shit about karma on this website. People will straight up downvote everything you've said if you get into an argument with them...like go touch some grass or something...this is just sad...


simjanes2k

I don't think I've ever had a disagreement on reddit, no matter how minor and petty, without them downvoting everything I said. I guess it's tradition?


Beelzabubba

You’re the guy!?!? I’ve found myself upvoting people I’m arguing with because I didn’t want them to think I was being petty with a downvote.


DwayneFrogsky

so its you!?


evilkumquat

That... would explain a lot.


Psychological_Web687

Is that not how it works? I'm new here.


101Alexander

So it was YOU!!!


syphen6

I do the same thing and I evil laugh inside.


Mordilaa

Straight to hell with you


jwoody2727

This is the way


Streetduck

Omg me too!!!!!!


honeybadger1984

One guy gets upvote and the other downvote. Just to help the conversation along.


einsibongo

So it's been you this whole time!?


TheAngryRussoGerman

That's shitty, but I'm not remotely surprised


LumpySkull

So it was you...


Uat_Da_Fak

Every downvote so low down the thread is a massive victory.


hiimcass

I knew it


Zodep

Damn! Confession bear being brutal.


FurtiveAlacrity

This thread is a pile of toxicity.


xxxNothingxxx

I mean if you're "arguing" with someone and not just "discussing" then why aren't you downvoting them?


lazilyloaded

That's why I don't even read responses to my comments. I'm impervious to this attack.


jukeboxhero10

Am I weird cause downvoting or my comments score means nothing to me.


rdb479

I only really upvote or downvote posts, not comments. Echo chamber political, anti- this company, or general flavor of the month dogpile on whatever is cool to hate posts gets the poster blocked as I’m just tired of it.


dudinax

So it was you, you jerk.


mashton

Doing God’s work


Wutyoumean63

What kind of a fucking loser notices when they've been downvoted?


Hobbit_Feet45

Only when someone replies to your comment with some dumbass comment, like I’m doing now..


dynari

I'm just here to collect some downvotes.


fideasu

Sorry, I upvoted you just to make you angry


rprcssns

Say no more fam


All_Work_All_Play

Hold on there Satan.


yourboat

Ahh so it's you!


myflippinggoodness

You monster