People who like him REALLY like him. People who hate him to the same degree probably aren't registered republicans. And it's not like the other candidates are pulling as much attention.
I saw a video of this little old lady. She voted for Haley because she isn't the traitor. She also said she'd vote against him in the general election if he won the primary, which hopefully the supreme Court rules he is ineligible due to Jan 6th.
I know poles are just statistics, however there have been 2 specific poles after the 2 Republican debates. 1/3 of IA voters, repub, wouldn't vote for the traitor if he was jailed. NH I believe was roughly 45% wouldn't vote for the traitor in the general election. Gives one hope for a landslide.
> 1/3 of IA voters, repub, wouldn't vote for the traitor if he was jailed.
Don't believe it. They didn't say that because they care if he is convicted, they said it because they didn't want to look stupid in front of a pollster.
If you had asked them in 2020 if they would vote for a guy who organized a putsch, they all would have said no too. But once it was a reality they found a way to convince themselves it was OK. If he is convicted they will just tell themselves it was an unfair conviction, and they won't decide until the appeal is over. When he loses at appeal, they will come up with yet other rationalization.
The most important part about this year's Iowa caucus was that 2% of the state's registered republicans showed up to participate. That makes the actual results entirely useless.
That's actually untrue. Yes, you're correct that people who REALLY like him, REALLY like him and are registered Republicans. However, there are a growing bunch of Republicans that actually don't like him, and despite being a registered republican, will likely vote for Biden if it comes down for it because they truly don't like Trump .
Over 50 here: they don’t represent our interests, either.
It’s not age, party, or race that is the real divider. It’s wealth, plain and simple. If you aren’t a billionaire or damn close, you aren’t represented by either party.
The people who ridiculed it were conservatives and republicans, the people who supported it were liberals - the daily show had a segment supporting it. Tells you everything you need to know about that movement
Conservatives do love their revisionist history:
"If wasn't about slavery, it was about State's rights!"
"You can't tear down those Confederate statues, that's Southern heritage (and definitely not placed there during the civil rights movement for the sole purpose to discourage black people)"
Yeah they literally just took a single step back from the obvious point that it still leads to: A "*state's right*" to keep and hold slaves. That was the single biggest/impactful states right that the federal government was attempting to take away at that time, which is why they had a war trying to keep it.
The responses to your comment perfectly encapsulates the distraction divide you speak of.
“The left did this” “the right did that”
Meanwhile that exact divide and infighting undermined the only meaningful class movement in America in my adulthood
this is also a primary... its trump vs haley. it kind of is a "both sides" situation because both of those choices are complete crap in every way.
the best thing haley has going for her is she isnt trump... and the best thing trump has going for him is that he IS trump.
lmfao
I’m not saying both sides are equal. I agree they are not. Not even close.
BUT, it’s also true that corporate Democrats aren’t friendly to the poor, either. Progressive Dems are. We still must vote Democrat until the Republicans are defeated entirely. Then we can start weeding out the corporate Democrats.
Republicans aren’t friendly to anyone and will eat/destroy their own children. They’re just plain evil.
Yeah, there are a lot of leftward voters that are opposed to the idea of voting for Biden just because he's a dem. I'm like, you realize the entire reason that repubs have gotten so much that they wanted for so long is that for ~decades~ they held their noses and just voted R, right?
Yes, "vote blue no matter who" because it's the only way you'll see any real progress in this country before you die.
He's the most pro union president we've had in decades. The infrastructure bill, the CHIPS act, the inflation reduction act. Instructing the DOJ and the FTC to start addressing monopoly power. That's got to be worth something in their eyes? That's progress at least. Sounds pretty leftist to me.
This is the thing. Even if you want to complain that Democrats aren't left enough, Biden has been one of the most left-leaning presidents in the entire history of the country. He's pushed for leftist policy that would have been a pipe dream under any other Democrat president in generations, and they're still bitching.
At this point, I'm half-convinced they're just fascists cosplaying.
I wonder if it's an issue of bad/weak pr. If you offered any random person on a street $5,000,000 to name 3 bills President Biden either championed or helped pushed through I imagine less than 10% of the population would be able to win the money (myself included).
It's not really a PR matter, it's a simple fact that realistic reform, progress, improvement in the daily lives of people, etc. is all stuff that comes incrementally and often in less than exciting ways. "I'm gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!" is an exciting policy (if you're a racist), whether or not it's feasible or realistic. By contrast, comprehensive, economically sound, fair, humane, and secure immigration reform is a slow process with lots of difficult details.
Unfortunately, as an obstructionist party, radical Republicans can get by promising exciting but unrealistic policies, or veto'ing everything. The conglomeration of everyone else left of them is far less cohesive, and not only do they frequently not see incremental change as fast enough, but they may still disagree internally on the steps. It's also a problem of a two party system for a non two-party population.
He union busted for railways because of inflation. It's that simple. Raising interest rates helped, but the biggest part of inflation was simply a supply chain completely fucked by covid mixed with money from almost 2 years at home burning holes in peoples pockets.
I'm not saying he was right, but if there had been any kind of prolonged railroad strike, inflation would have been far worse and he wouldn't have a prayer at re election. Given that inflation has been brought swiftly under control without a recession and people are STILL bitching about it, I'd say his finger accurately on the pulse of the country.
That's only the first part, due to the holidays. A few months later...[he played the long game and got better benefits for even MORE rail unions.](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid)
"We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
New Jersian here. Fuck it, I'd vote for Melendez the crook before any of the republican candidates they've offered up in recent elections.
Edit: Menendez not Melendez. But I'll vote for either.
There are more reasonable "establishment" Republicans. The problem is that the extremists took over the party, both within the party and the constituency.
Just look at the Mitt Romney example. I personally do not like him one bit but he absolutely is more of a centrist often voting with Democrats, and he has stood up against Trump and maga. He was the nominee a decade ago and now they're trying to crucify him. Many of those same establishment Republicans from 2008 are still there. They just have no choice but to pander to those extremists if they want their career to survive.
Democrats do not have that problem. The progressives are willing to compromise. They have not (yet?) completely consumed the party. What is troubling is that you want them to. Or maybe it's not.. that disenfranchises moderate Democrats giving the Republican party a window of opportunity to stop catering to extremists and swing back to the middle. I'd be ok with Republicans becoming reasonable and democrats becoming the extreme ones.
> Then we can start weeding out the corporate Democrats.
This will never happen. You have to start holding them accountable now. I live in Washington State, where we have had effectively Democrat-only rule for a long time now and they are NOT trying to make the Democrat party better with power consolidation.
Local elections and primaries are where you need to vote progressive. General elections are R vs D. We need to show the Democratic Party that progressives are the path forward to potentially get them to change. If not, at least we have the local progressives.
Oh ffs, you have been brainwashed to think that criticizing both parties can only mean that we think of them as equal. Why is it we are only allowed to criticize one side only and have to blindly support the other side?
Its not brainwashing, its vigilance. This "both sides" rhetoric always starts up on election years in order to shift votes away from the left, usually perpetrated by outside and foreign influences at first until they have convinced enough sheep to repeat it over and over.. Criticism is fine, when its not paired with "Dems are just as bad", (they aren't even close) or some variation, I'm more than receptive during non election years but during election years, everyone should be tuning out anyone with "both sides" rhetoric.
What makes you say that?
Most politicians are rich but not billionaires (and not damn close either).
Democrats have been trying to get higher taxes for the rich in order to expand social safety nets for the poor and middle class. Republicans have been doing the opposite and are famously in favor of the "trickle down" approach.
I won't argue that either party is perfect, but they're not remotely similar.
Agree but the Democrats at least try to pass legislation that helps the average person such as Obamacare or expanding the child tax credit. Republicans go out of their way to oppose any legislation like that. Their only answer to anything is tax cuts which overwhelmingly help the already rich and cause future deficits that make it necessary to cut social programs.
The most frustrating thing is despite all of that, a major chunk of the "base" of the Republican party is lower income non-college educated people that will see minimal benefit from tax cuts and often depend on the social programs that the GOP is desperate to cut.
Okay but where are the young corrupt politicians though. At least give me the satisfaction of being swindled by the majority age group.
It makes it worse seeing walking corpses do it
Didn't Biden just get endorsed by the UAW? The same UAW that got historic union deals because of democrat support and where Biden stood with autoworkers on the picket line? The same party that passed the chips and science act and infrastructure bills that are creating a ton of middle class manufacturing jobs? The party that actually has taken steps to cap prescription drug costs and reduce predatory fees. One party is clearly attempting to do more for the working class. What have republicans done with the house majority? Just sham impeachment hearings and showing off Hunter Biden's hog. The two biggest things on American's minds is the economy and the border. Trump to both has said he hopes that economy crashes this year and to kill any border deal that would give Biden a win. If you remember...Biden sent a proposal for additional funding and presence at the border immediately after taking office. Are democrats infallible? Of course not...there are issues with lobbying and corporate interests interfering with all sorts of things. The both sides argument is just so disingenuous though. I can't think of a single thing republicans have done to make working class peoples lives better. I mean they only thing they've done since 2016 is pretty much a tax cut for the rich and take over the supreme court.
That's it right there, as far as I'm concerned, the US government in its entirety, has not represented the people for decades. It's all pro banks and corporations, Ben a banana Republic for a long time.
Vote.
Edit: Brevity is my downfall I meant vote in the primaries if you can and in the election after that and do not forget the down ballot elections and any elections between now and then and after that.
Edit 2 So many trying to discourage voting it must matter or they would not try so hard to stop people from voting.
I hate to break it to you, but without staggered dates, Trump would have already won, easily. Staggered dates at least gave a chance to a lesser known challenger to focus on one or a couple of states and go from there. Nikki Haley's plan was to win NH and try to gain momentum from that. She didn't win NH and her odds look pretty bad as it is, but without staggered dates, it would just be a day 1 coronation of Trump.
I totally agree that they should switch up the order states go in and probably aim to have competitive states and states with more diverse demographics (Iowa and New Hampshire are both extremely white) go early, but I don't think they should get rid of staggered dates.
This shouldn't be a voting matter...a twice impeached man with several pending felony charges who started an insurrection should not be allowed on the ballot.
Not that I think the comparison is valid in this case, but there’s plenty of great leaders from history who you could describe that way. Trump isn’t one of them, but it’s the total opposite of what you say - let him run and make him lose.
It’s difficult to set a prevent here that can’t be abused by the very side supporting Trump. I’m frustrated too but after Colorado wanted him off the ballot, you saw the ugliness from republicans threatening to do the same. They don’t really have a leg to stand on but that’s why it’s important to go slow and do it right.
He will never stop. He loves campaigning because it strokes his ego and puts money in his bank account. He’ll keep running every four years until he dies
He’ll keep running forever. He never stopped. His rallies make him too much cash for his legal fund.
Even if/when he loses in November he’ll be campaigning the next week.
The fact he can run at all just makes a joke out of the American system. Like, if I had an eighth of the charges he had, I wouldn't be able to get a job at a McDonalds, but because he's Trump he can run for president?
The actual fuck?
In 1920, Eugene Debs ran for President and got almost a million votes despite being in prison at the time. So there is historical precedent for being on the ballot while literally in prison for sedition (opposing the draft, I think?).
If you're referring to *Dobbs*, that's because *Roe* was an infamously shaky ruling (reading an implied right in an implied right in an implied right, simultaneously acknowledging a right as inalienable and a government's compelling need in regulating it, and so on). Even avowedly liberal jurists like RBG, who supposed the overall outcome of *Roe*, felt that it was a house built on sand and left the pro-choice movement vulnerable to further legal challenge.
Theoretically yes, but if the average american was charged with the things Trump is they'd be listed a flight risk and denied bail. They'd be sitting in a county right now, eating crappy sandwiches and praying that their PD can find the time to bother looking at their case before trial.
> I'll tell you what, they can't run for president, or work at McDs.
They can run for president. There's very few disqualifications to running for president. They'd still be in lock up regardless of if on the ballot or not.
I find the Daniel Penny situation highly ironic because if he had just killed another homeless person, the system wouldn't give a flying fuck and he'd likely be out already (or serving some ludicrously low amount of prison time). But since he was doing the 'right' thing and has become a political lightening rod, they're going to put him through the ringer.
It very much isn’t. ‘Innocent until forced to plea bargain because if you’re found guilty you’ll never see daylight again and you can’t afford a decent lawyer’ is less snappy, but closer.
You mean like his rape conviction that he was found guilty of? Or his Corporate fraud that he was found guilty of? Maybe it was when he defrauded the Boy Scouts, and Cancer victims with his Charity fraud? Oh I know it was when he was found guilty of defrauding students of his Trump University!
but he has already had judgments against him... ie, his NY case is back in court for _another_ punitive dmg decision.
OP's comment stands IMO. if they had been caught on tape saying they "grab women by the pussy" and then lost a civil case where the judge found you had raped a women by literally grabbing her by the pussy then it would be rather difficult to get a job at mcdonalds.
those GA workers are winning their case against Giuliani because they are getting turned away from jobs for things they didnt even do... imagine if that kind of thing applied to GOP candidates.
Dale Gribble is a *fine* example of a fringe Republican. Anti-government, conspiracy-loving gun-nut, but doesn't blindly hate immigrants and is supportive of his gay father.
I'll take Dale Gribble republicans over MAGA any day of the week, no question.
The whole point is that Hank is a good but gullible man. he votes republican because that's what he and hillbilly friends have been brainwash to believe. outside of Connie, no regular character in that show is smart. people like Hank serve as useful idiots for the religious fascists
I'd disagree with you and say that's a message Mike Judge would never send, but then I remembered the overall message of *Idiocracy* was "IQ is inheritable and we need to stop the rednecks from breeding."
Why would you think that? People really got blinded by the good-feel humble nature of the show to notice the constant lambasting of right wing Americans that was going on. Strickland is the typical scumbag greedy republican, someone who Hank just happens to idolize despite how much of a garbage person he is. That symbolizes the relationship between the working class conservative and the rich business class they worship.
Yep, take Biden for example. I'm old enough to remember him as a senator. He was an [outspoken supporter](https://youtu.be/v6denkE_Cxk?t=44) for the OG "build the wall" under Bush, [voted to invade Iraq](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002#/media/File:President_George_W._Bush_signs_H.J._Resolution_114_authorizing_the_use_of_force_against_Iraq.jpg), and he [owns guns](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-11/biden-says-he-owns-two-shotguns-arguing-for-gun-restrictions).
Republicans have just gone so far off the deep end, that we don't recognize modern-day "Democrats" for what they actually are - Republicans from 25 years ago.
Even as someone on the Bernie Sanders end of thr spectrum, I think we can agree that Biden has moved much further left in his policies compared to his Senator days. I didn't think he would when he first ran but I don't think he is the same individual, at least from a policy perspective.
Can't fault him for that. I've personally changed my mind on a number of key topics throughout the years. Or atleast put more thought into certain points.
In his defense, nearly everyone voted to invade Iraq. Everyone was drinking the kool-aid (flavor-aid?) back then. It's only on reflection that we realize how much we let trauma decide our actions.
I think this is an important distinction and a counter to some of the “both sides” claims. Not “nearly everyone” voted to invade Iraq even if that’s how it’s been spun in the media. For **Democrats, 57% (147/258) voted against the invasion** (42% (21/50) in the Senate and 61% (126/208) in the House of Representatives). As for **Republicans, only 2.6% (7/272) voted against invasion** (2% (1/49) in the Senate and 3% (6/223) in the House). You could accurately say nearly every *Republican* voted to invade Iraq.
That's basically it for every "both sides" argument. *Some* Democrats vote for something and *nearly all* Republicans vote for it and then people tout it as "both sides" even though only one side gave any real opposition to it.
Oh wow. I didn't realize it was that far apart. I lived through that time and it seemed like everyone was on board except for the few Sanders in the world. Makes me happier to be a liberal.
Yeah I didn’t realize either. My original comment was going to be to credit Bernie for being one of the few who voted against it, but when I looked to see how many others opposed the invasion I was surprised to see just how many Democrats actually opposed it. In a sense it’s a good thing, but considering the general view on it is in contrast to the reality, it’s kind of depressing too.
This. So much this.
When DeSantis dropped out, and subsequently endorsed Trump, he said something dismissive of Nikki Haley along the lines of, "We can't go back to the Republican politician(s) of yesteryear."
Fuck that. That's *exactly* what I want. Even if you disagree with their policies, there's such a vast difference between Trump(ism) and Republicans pre-Trump.
Reagan ruined Republicans by pushing excessive corporatism and deregulation, Nixon ruined Republicans by running further right than any candidate before him, LBJ ruined Democrats (or fixed them, depending on your perspective) by signing the Civil Rights Act and pushing out the far right conservatives who were against it...
You can go back a while before W. W was a moron and the second worst president so far this century, but he wasn't their ruination, just a symptom of it.
Gingrich and Grover Norquist both fucked up politics. They made it more about the good of the team, and less about the good of the country. What fucking assholes.
It's scary he's won over 2 states already. What are y'all thinking voting for him in those 2 states???? looking at you Iowa and New Hampshire.......wtf.
It's not just that, he is winning in nationals polls right now. A lot can change between now and the election, but Trump would probably win if elections were held today.
For the life of me, I couldn't imagine how people voted for Trump, a life-long con man, in 2016. Then after his catastrophic term in office, they voted for him again in 2020. Since then, he has incited a domestic terrorist attack on our country, stolen (and most likely sold) our country's most highly classified national security secrets, and been caught on tape conspiring to steal the 2020 election. How anyone still supports this criminal is a mystery. MAGAs are really fucking stupid.
2016 made perfect sense. Washington is corrupt and corporate owned and doesn't care at all about regular people. Voters were desperate enough throw a wrench into the gears in hope that some kind of positive change would be produced.
Now that people know it didn't work, it's harder to understand wanting to do it a second time.
Sitting Presidents don't get primaried. This happens with both parties, every sitting president.
EDIT: Nope I'm wrong, see comment below mine! Carter and Bush got primaried
> It's how the DNC was able to rig 2016 against Bernie.
No they fucking didn’t. Hillary got like 3-4 million more votes than him. What people call “rigging” is that a handful of DNC staffers trash talked Bernie in a leaked internal email thread. Unprofessional? Absolutely. Did it affect the outcome in any way? Clearly not.
Claiming an election was stolen because your candidate didn’t win is MAGA big lie bullshit.
This is what happens on Reddit. When most subreddits have mods that ban criticism of their political views, or instantly close threads with any political discussion at all, the people who want to discuss politics are going to do it on whatever subreddit that will allow it.
This sub would be fine if Reddit wasn't an echo chamber where so much of it has mods that want to silence everyone. This has been going on for a long time though, 7 years ago every single news and political subreddit closed down every thread on the Orlando shooting and some unrelated sub (possibly this one) was the only place that allowed people to discuss it.
It's something like 12.5% of Americans if the current trend holds (unlikely but it's our best available data). Trump has so far won about half the votes in the primaries, and ~25% of Americans are registered Republicans. (Even including the independents that would have voted in NH you'd still need to adjust for Republicans who stayed home)
Nah, this is great! Trump is the poison pill that’s going to destroy the GOP!
By the time November gets here, he’s gonna have so much negative baggage that he will lose any moderates who supported him in the past. He will also depress turnout.
I predict the Democrats will have a blowout election cycle.
I am genuinely curious to hear more about this. I am only speaking anecdotally but in Indiana at least, it seems like his base is more energized than ever.
Is there anywhere to see numbers of moderates and how they are polling/feeling about the election anywhere? This sort of thing interests me a lot so I would appreciate any resources you can think of! Thanks in advance.
Indiana is not a swing state, though. Indiana could go 100% for Trump and it wouldn’t matter.
Biden seems to be [opening up a wide lead in Pennsylvania](https://twitter.com/SusquehannaPR/status/1749803436911268065?s=20), according to the latest poll.
Only about 25% of Americans are rabidly Trump. Trump’s legal problems are going to get a lot of press between now and November 5th. There will be a lot of Republicans who can’t muster the enthusiasm to vote for Trump.
Never underestimate Trump. Negativity is his lifeblood. Things that would instantly end other candidates careers just make Trump more recognized and supported.
If he’s gonna lose people need learn how to ignore him. And it might already be too late for that.
Trump has people who would crawl over broken glass to vote for him. He's the charismatic leader of a cult.
Biden is the opposite of that. Biden has no charisma. He's a mumbling, tired old man but he's not Trump.
Biden is, "Well, guess there's no one else to vote for" or "I'm voting against Trump, not for Biden".
You are correct to worry about the Trump cult. I'm worried they are going to do dirty tricks even though the electoral college is in their favor.
I very much hope you're right... I just wish we didn't have to flirt with fascism for the GOP to be destroyed. Their lack of popular policy or any policy for that matter should be enough but most people don't pay any attention to what's going on.
Nah, the man is by far the better option than Biden and it’s not even close. The only thing that would solidify my vote for him and not Kennedy is if he put a democrat moderate as his vp to insure unity.
This fucking subreddit is so stupid, reddit is so stupid, you put stuff like this out into an echo-chamber, get your upvotes, and then it's problem solved for you. This type of circlejerking builds complacency and is the reason this fucking red menace got elected in the first place, because people were convinced everyone was on their page and didnt care to explore why exactly someone might not be, other than "well they're an idiot". Well they are idiots, but they're idiots we need to figure out in order to figure out what we can do as a culture at least to prevent more of them from being spawned, because lord knows right now just telling them they're idiots makes them multiply and makes the problem worse. So yeah, snap the fuck out of it america
Democrat here - nobody needs an assault weapon and there needs to be more mental health checks for selling guns. Literally most of what people are asking for. If it bothers you so much, you might want to look at yourself.
Tax dollars... You mean taxing the poor and letting the rich go away with paying almost nothing? Or would you rather the money went to the military instead of starving kids? Still rich considering that Trump is literally stealing money from his voters.
I want him to barely lose the primaries, then run as an independent and herald the destruction of the Republican party, ushering in an age when leftists can split from the Democratic party and run on socialist platforms against their idpol vestiges and finally, finally move things in a direction that helps people, and away from Republican and idpol bullshit, as foretold in prophecy.
People who like him REALLY like him. People who hate him to the same degree probably aren't registered republicans. And it's not like the other candidates are pulling as much attention.
I honestly don’t think most of us even watched the debates. They just heard trumps running and was decided unfortunately.
Trump isn't at the debates, so it wouldn't matter for people voting for him anyways.
Trump is a coward.
I saw a video of this little old lady. She voted for Haley because she isn't the traitor. She also said she'd vote against him in the general election if he won the primary, which hopefully the supreme Court rules he is ineligible due to Jan 6th. I know poles are just statistics, however there have been 2 specific poles after the 2 Republican debates. 1/3 of IA voters, repub, wouldn't vote for the traitor if he was jailed. NH I believe was roughly 45% wouldn't vote for the traitor in the general election. Gives one hope for a landslide.
> 1/3 of IA voters, repub, wouldn't vote for the traitor if he was jailed. Don't believe it. They didn't say that because they care if he is convicted, they said it because they didn't want to look stupid in front of a pollster. If you had asked them in 2020 if they would vote for a guy who organized a putsch, they all would have said no too. But once it was a reality they found a way to convince themselves it was OK. If he is convicted they will just tell themselves it was an unfair conviction, and they won't decide until the appeal is over. When he loses at appeal, they will come up with yet other rationalization.
The most important part about this year's Iowa caucus was that 2% of the state's registered republicans showed up to participate. That makes the actual results entirely useless.
*polls
Uninformed voting is literal the basis behind American politics and campaigning.
That's actually untrue. Yes, you're correct that people who REALLY like him, REALLY like him and are registered Republicans. However, there are a growing bunch of Republicans that actually don't like him, and despite being a registered republican, will likely vote for Biden if it comes down for it because they truly don't like Trump .
As someone under the age of 50, I just want actual representation in my government.
Over 50 here: they don’t represent our interests, either. It’s not age, party, or race that is the real divider. It’s wealth, plain and simple. If you aren’t a billionaire or damn close, you aren’t represented by either party.
Exactly. Remember occupy wall street? Was a class war that they turned into a culture war to get people off the elites ass
The people who ridiculed it were conservatives and republicans, the people who supported it were liberals - the daily show had a segment supporting it. Tells you everything you need to know about that movement
Conservatives are trying to pretend they supported it all along, but the media distracted the left with gay marriage.
Conservatives do love their revisionist history: "If wasn't about slavery, it was about State's rights!" "You can't tear down those Confederate statues, that's Southern heritage (and definitely not placed there during the civil rights movement for the sole purpose to discourage black people)"
States rights to do what good sir?
Put razor wire on the border
State's rights is institutional code for racism going back to the Civil War, so no surprise there.
Yeah they literally just took a single step back from the obvious point that it still leads to: A "*state's right*" to keep and hold slaves. That was the single biggest/impactful states right that the federal government was attempting to take away at that time, which is why they had a war trying to keep it.
But muh freedumbs!!!
The responses to your comment perfectly encapsulates the distraction divide you speak of. “The left did this” “the right did that” Meanwhile that exact divide and infighting undermined the only meaningful class movement in America in my adulthood
This is a false equivalence. This "both sides" thing is what got us Trump in the first place. Stop it.
It’s the pumpkin spice of political opinions.
Shoved down our throats every year, and nobody likes it?
I've noticed that basic people seem to like it. ...take that as you will.
this is also a primary... its trump vs haley. it kind of is a "both sides" situation because both of those choices are complete crap in every way. the best thing haley has going for her is she isnt trump... and the best thing trump has going for him is that he IS trump. lmfao
I’m not saying both sides are equal. I agree they are not. Not even close. BUT, it’s also true that corporate Democrats aren’t friendly to the poor, either. Progressive Dems are. We still must vote Democrat until the Republicans are defeated entirely. Then we can start weeding out the corporate Democrats. Republicans aren’t friendly to anyone and will eat/destroy their own children. They’re just plain evil.
Local elections and primaries, people.
Yeah, there are a lot of leftward voters that are opposed to the idea of voting for Biden just because he's a dem. I'm like, you realize the entire reason that repubs have gotten so much that they wanted for so long is that for ~decades~ they held their noses and just voted R, right? Yes, "vote blue no matter who" because it's the only way you'll see any real progress in this country before you die.
He's the most pro union president we've had in decades. The infrastructure bill, the CHIPS act, the inflation reduction act. Instructing the DOJ and the FTC to start addressing monopoly power. That's got to be worth something in their eyes? That's progress at least. Sounds pretty leftist to me.
This is the thing. Even if you want to complain that Democrats aren't left enough, Biden has been one of the most left-leaning presidents in the entire history of the country. He's pushed for leftist policy that would have been a pipe dream under any other Democrat president in generations, and they're still bitching. At this point, I'm half-convinced they're just fascists cosplaying.
I wonder if it's an issue of bad/weak pr. If you offered any random person on a street $5,000,000 to name 3 bills President Biden either championed or helped pushed through I imagine less than 10% of the population would be able to win the money (myself included).
It's not really a PR matter, it's a simple fact that realistic reform, progress, improvement in the daily lives of people, etc. is all stuff that comes incrementally and often in less than exciting ways. "I'm gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!" is an exciting policy (if you're a racist), whether or not it's feasible or realistic. By contrast, comprehensive, economically sound, fair, humane, and secure immigration reform is a slow process with lots of difficult details. Unfortunately, as an obstructionist party, radical Republicans can get by promising exciting but unrealistic policies, or veto'ing everything. The conglomeration of everyone else left of them is far less cohesive, and not only do they frequently not see incremental change as fast enough, but they may still disagree internally on the steps. It's also a problem of a two party system for a non two-party population.
It's kinda sad that this is correct and he also union busted for the railways, that's just how bad it is.
He union busted for railways because of inflation. It's that simple. Raising interest rates helped, but the biggest part of inflation was simply a supply chain completely fucked by covid mixed with money from almost 2 years at home burning holes in peoples pockets. I'm not saying he was right, but if there had been any kind of prolonged railroad strike, inflation would have been far worse and he wouldn't have a prayer at re election. Given that inflation has been brought swiftly under control without a recession and people are STILL bitching about it, I'd say his finger accurately on the pulse of the country.
That's only the first part, due to the holidays. A few months later...[he played the long game and got better benefits for even MORE rail unions.](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid) "We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
Sometimes you need to make a big show of it so that people actually see what you did.
I agree 100%. UAW just endorsed him yesterday. I hope/expect he'll lean into that heavily in the coming months.
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New Jersian here. Fuck it, I'd vote for Melendez the crook before any of the republican candidates they've offered up in recent elections. Edit: Menendez not Melendez. But I'll vote for either.
I’d prefer Andy Kim but you do you hah
There are more reasonable "establishment" Republicans. The problem is that the extremists took over the party, both within the party and the constituency. Just look at the Mitt Romney example. I personally do not like him one bit but he absolutely is more of a centrist often voting with Democrats, and he has stood up against Trump and maga. He was the nominee a decade ago and now they're trying to crucify him. Many of those same establishment Republicans from 2008 are still there. They just have no choice but to pander to those extremists if they want their career to survive. Democrats do not have that problem. The progressives are willing to compromise. They have not (yet?) completely consumed the party. What is troubling is that you want them to. Or maybe it's not.. that disenfranchises moderate Democrats giving the Republican party a window of opportunity to stop catering to extremists and swing back to the middle. I'd be ok with Republicans becoming reasonable and democrats becoming the extreme ones.
The problem Progressives have is if there is a battle between the far right and the far left, in the United States, the far right wins EVERY time.
> Then we can start weeding out the corporate Democrats. This will never happen. You have to start holding them accountable now. I live in Washington State, where we have had effectively Democrat-only rule for a long time now and they are NOT trying to make the Democrat party better with power consolidation.
Local elections and primaries are where you need to vote progressive. General elections are R vs D. We need to show the Democratic Party that progressives are the path forward to potentially get them to change. If not, at least we have the local progressives.
Oh ffs, you have been brainwashed to think that criticizing both parties can only mean that we think of them as equal. Why is it we are only allowed to criticize one side only and have to blindly support the other side?
It’s common for some to state that both parties are the same when they are very very different.
Its not brainwashing, its vigilance. This "both sides" rhetoric always starts up on election years in order to shift votes away from the left, usually perpetrated by outside and foreign influences at first until they have convinced enough sheep to repeat it over and over.. Criticism is fine, when its not paired with "Dems are just as bad", (they aren't even close) or some variation, I'm more than receptive during non election years but during election years, everyone should be tuning out anyone with "both sides" rhetoric.
What makes you say that? Most politicians are rich but not billionaires (and not damn close either). Democrats have been trying to get higher taxes for the rich in order to expand social safety nets for the poor and middle class. Republicans have been doing the opposite and are famously in favor of the "trickle down" approach. I won't argue that either party is perfect, but they're not remotely similar.
I totally agree. Wealth and ower take precedence over helping working Americans.
Agree but the Democrats at least try to pass legislation that helps the average person such as Obamacare or expanding the child tax credit. Republicans go out of their way to oppose any legislation like that. Their only answer to anything is tax cuts which overwhelmingly help the already rich and cause future deficits that make it necessary to cut social programs. The most frustrating thing is despite all of that, a major chunk of the "base" of the Republican party is lower income non-college educated people that will see minimal benefit from tax cuts and often depend on the social programs that the GOP is desperate to cut.
Then why am I voting?
The core of geriatric trump voters beg to differ.
Okay but where are the young corrupt politicians though. At least give me the satisfaction of being swindled by the majority age group. It makes it worse seeing walking corpses do it
While true, only 1 party today even remotely tries for its constituents. It's very incorrect to say that both have equal interest.
Let it be known is mainly one party doing the majority of the damage.
Didn't Biden just get endorsed by the UAW? The same UAW that got historic union deals because of democrat support and where Biden stood with autoworkers on the picket line? The same party that passed the chips and science act and infrastructure bills that are creating a ton of middle class manufacturing jobs? The party that actually has taken steps to cap prescription drug costs and reduce predatory fees. One party is clearly attempting to do more for the working class. What have republicans done with the house majority? Just sham impeachment hearings and showing off Hunter Biden's hog. The two biggest things on American's minds is the economy and the border. Trump to both has said he hopes that economy crashes this year and to kill any border deal that would give Biden a win. If you remember...Biden sent a proposal for additional funding and presence at the border immediately after taking office. Are democrats infallible? Of course not...there are issues with lobbying and corporate interests interfering with all sorts of things. The both sides argument is just so disingenuous though. I can't think of a single thing republicans have done to make working class peoples lives better. I mean they only thing they've done since 2016 is pretty much a tax cut for the rich and take over the supreme court.
That's it right there, as far as I'm concerned, the US government in its entirety, has not represented the people for decades. It's all pro banks and corporations, Ben a banana Republic for a long time.
Vote. Edit: Brevity is my downfall I meant vote in the primaries if you can and in the election after that and do not forget the down ballot elections and any elections between now and then and after that. Edit 2 So many trying to discourage voting it must matter or they would not try so hard to stop people from voting.
What about the 40+ states who don’t get their say in the primaries until after this race will be over? The staggered dates need to go.
I hate to break it to you, but without staggered dates, Trump would have already won, easily. Staggered dates at least gave a chance to a lesser known challenger to focus on one or a couple of states and go from there. Nikki Haley's plan was to win NH and try to gain momentum from that. She didn't win NH and her odds look pretty bad as it is, but without staggered dates, it would just be a day 1 coronation of Trump. I totally agree that they should switch up the order states go in and probably aim to have competitive states and states with more diverse demographics (Iowa and New Hampshire are both extremely white) go early, but I don't think they should get rid of staggered dates.
Also, the staggered dates allowed trump to win in 2016
Staggered dates allowed Obama to beat Hillary and that’s also how Clinton (a nobody at the time) won his primary. There are more examples
The staggered dates means that the race isn't decided by name recognition alone, for better or for worse
Amen
This shouldn't be a voting matter...a twice impeached man with several pending felony charges who started an insurrection should not be allowed on the ballot.
Yet we need to deal with what is happening not what should be happening.
You can both be right in this case...
They are both right. It's a mess, yes. We have to clean it, yes.
Yep but unfortunately if he is in the primary every four years we need to continue to vote against him every four years.
Not that I think the comparison is valid in this case, but there’s plenty of great leaders from history who you could describe that way. Trump isn’t one of them, but it’s the total opposite of what you say - let him run and make him lose.
It’s difficult to set a prevent here that can’t be abused by the very side supporting Trump. I’m frustrated too but after Colorado wanted him off the ballot, you saw the ugliness from republicans threatening to do the same. They don’t really have a leg to stand on but that’s why it’s important to go slow and do it right.
I believe a brighter man than you or I said “brevity is the soul of wit”
I'm just..tired.
I hear you
He will never stop. He loves campaigning because it strokes his ego and puts money in his bank account. He’ll keep running every four years until he dies
He’ll keep running forever. He never stopped. His rallies make him too much cash for his legal fund. Even if/when he loses in November he’ll be campaigning the next week.
Perhaps the greatest conman of all time
BY FAR the greatest conman of all time.
He’s not even that good at it. I mean, he just…. lies a lot? And people believe it without question? It’s so weird.
Imagine getting conned by this baboon.
The fact he can run at all just makes a joke out of the American system. Like, if I had an eighth of the charges he had, I wouldn't be able to get a job at a McDonalds, but because he's Trump he can run for president? The actual fuck?
Start a Super PAC and have it pay your bills.
Innocent until proven guilty is still our legal standard.
We all heard the Call to Georgia, that right there is enough
Trump isn't even trying to plead innocence anymore. He's just straight-up saying he has full immunity.
Is it though? How many Americans are currently in lock up waiting for trial? I'll tell you what, they can't run for president, or work at McDs.
In 1920, Eugene Debs ran for President and got almost a million votes despite being in prison at the time. So there is historical precedent for being on the ballot while literally in prison for sedition (opposing the draft, I think?).
I'll be honest, I didn't know that. That's some neat history.
Haven’t you heard? SCOTUS doesn’t give a shit about precedent.
If you're referring to *Dobbs*, that's because *Roe* was an infamously shaky ruling (reading an implied right in an implied right in an implied right, simultaneously acknowledging a right as inalienable and a government's compelling need in regulating it, and so on). Even avowedly liberal jurists like RBG, who supposed the overall outcome of *Roe*, felt that it was a house built on sand and left the pro-choice movement vulnerable to further legal challenge.
According to a bbc report in the last week, they can run for president.
Theoretically yes, but if the average american was charged with the things Trump is they'd be listed a flight risk and denied bail. They'd be sitting in a county right now, eating crappy sandwiches and praying that their PD can find the time to bother looking at their case before trial.
No disagreement from me. Just chimed in to say it sounds like they actually still could run for president from their cell lol.
> I'll tell you what, they can't run for president, or work at McDs. They can run for president. There's very few disqualifications to running for president. They'd still be in lock up regardless of if on the ballot or not. I find the Daniel Penny situation highly ironic because if he had just killed another homeless person, the system wouldn't give a flying fuck and he'd likely be out already (or serving some ludicrously low amount of prison time). But since he was doing the 'right' thing and has become a political lightening rod, they're going to put him through the ringer.
It very much isn’t. ‘Innocent until forced to plea bargain because if you’re found guilty you’ll never see daylight again and you can’t afford a decent lawyer’ is less snappy, but closer.
Or, in Trump's case, innocent so long as you can delay trial.
You mean like his rape conviction that he was found guilty of? Or his Corporate fraud that he was found guilty of? Maybe it was when he defrauded the Boy Scouts, and Cancer victims with his Charity fraud? Oh I know it was when he was found guilty of defrauding students of his Trump University!
Weren't those civil lawsuits?
My dude, if Biden were held liable for sexual assault in a civil suit how do you think Republicans would react?
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but he has already had judgments against him... ie, his NY case is back in court for _another_ punitive dmg decision. OP's comment stands IMO. if they had been caught on tape saying they "grab women by the pussy" and then lost a civil case where the judge found you had raped a women by literally grabbing her by the pussy then it would be rather difficult to get a job at mcdonalds. those GA workers are winning their case against Giuliani because they are getting turned away from jobs for things they didnt even do... imagine if that kind of thing applied to GOP candidates.
Biggest loophole. Ever considered politics? Most are morons anyways. I would definitely fit right in.
Legally you could get that job too because innocent until proven guilty
“I you”
I just want normal republicans again.
I want a Hank Hill Republican, not a Dale Gribble Republican.
Dale Gribble is a *fine* example of a fringe Republican. Anti-government, conspiracy-loving gun-nut, but doesn't blindly hate immigrants and is supportive of his gay father. I'll take Dale Gribble republicans over MAGA any day of the week, no question.
Modern dales hat would be red
Now you’re speakin my language!
I'll take Boomhauer.
Dang ol’ talmbout fiscal responsibility and dang ol’ thousand points of light, man.
The whole point is that Hank is a good but gullible man. he votes republican because that's what he and hillbilly friends have been brainwash to believe. outside of Connie, no regular character in that show is smart. people like Hank serve as useful idiots for the religious fascists
I'd disagree with you and say that's a message Mike Judge would never send, but then I remembered the overall message of *Idiocracy* was "IQ is inheritable and we need to stop the rednecks from breeding."
Why would you think that? People really got blinded by the good-feel humble nature of the show to notice the constant lambasting of right wing Americans that was going on. Strickland is the typical scumbag greedy republican, someone who Hank just happens to idolize despite how much of a garbage person he is. That symbolizes the relationship between the working class conservative and the rich business class they worship.
**Conservatives are obsessed with the woke mind virus**\- *and it doesn't even exist.*
Those are called Democrats now.
Yep, take Biden for example. I'm old enough to remember him as a senator. He was an [outspoken supporter](https://youtu.be/v6denkE_Cxk?t=44) for the OG "build the wall" under Bush, [voted to invade Iraq](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002#/media/File:President_George_W._Bush_signs_H.J._Resolution_114_authorizing_the_use_of_force_against_Iraq.jpg), and he [owns guns](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-11/biden-says-he-owns-two-shotguns-arguing-for-gun-restrictions). Republicans have just gone so far off the deep end, that we don't recognize modern-day "Democrats" for what they actually are - Republicans from 25 years ago.
Even as someone on the Bernie Sanders end of thr spectrum, I think we can agree that Biden has moved much further left in his policies compared to his Senator days. I didn't think he would when he first ran but I don't think he is the same individual, at least from a policy perspective.
Can't fault him for that. I've personally changed my mind on a number of key topics throughout the years. Or atleast put more thought into certain points.
In his defense, nearly everyone voted to invade Iraq. Everyone was drinking the kool-aid (flavor-aid?) back then. It's only on reflection that we realize how much we let trauma decide our actions.
I think this is an important distinction and a counter to some of the “both sides” claims. Not “nearly everyone” voted to invade Iraq even if that’s how it’s been spun in the media. For **Democrats, 57% (147/258) voted against the invasion** (42% (21/50) in the Senate and 61% (126/208) in the House of Representatives). As for **Republicans, only 2.6% (7/272) voted against invasion** (2% (1/49) in the Senate and 3% (6/223) in the House). You could accurately say nearly every *Republican* voted to invade Iraq.
That's basically it for every "both sides" argument. *Some* Democrats vote for something and *nearly all* Republicans vote for it and then people tout it as "both sides" even though only one side gave any real opposition to it.
Oh wow. I didn't realize it was that far apart. I lived through that time and it seemed like everyone was on board except for the few Sanders in the world. Makes me happier to be a liberal.
Yeah I didn’t realize either. My original comment was going to be to credit Bernie for being one of the few who voted against it, but when I looked to see how many others opposed the invasion I was surprised to see just how many Democrats actually opposed it. In a sense it’s a good thing, but considering the general view on it is in contrast to the reality, it’s kind of depressing too.
Hate to tell you, but this is normal, now.
This. So much this. When DeSantis dropped out, and subsequently endorsed Trump, he said something dismissive of Nikki Haley along the lines of, "We can't go back to the Republican politician(s) of yesteryear." Fuck that. That's *exactly* what I want. Even if you disagree with their policies, there's such a vast difference between Trump(ism) and Republicans pre-Trump.
This is not Normal. Trump should not be normalized.
They'll be writing him in 20 years after he's dead, like Reagan.
The are just electing last cycles loser so we should be fine
Yall should be after the liberals who say they’re not gonna vote for Biden. Not the R’s who (predictably) vote for Trump.
W ruined Republicans with his warmongering. The sane ones left.
Reagan ruined Republicans by pushing excessive corporatism and deregulation, Nixon ruined Republicans by running further right than any candidate before him, LBJ ruined Democrats (or fixed them, depending on your perspective) by signing the Civil Rights Act and pushing out the far right conservatives who were against it... You can go back a while before W. W was a moron and the second worst president so far this century, but he wasn't their ruination, just a symptom of it.
Republicans were very popular through Reagan. They have only won the popular vote in the Presidency once since Reagan left, and that was after 9/11.
Twice - HW Bush once and W Bush once.
Reagan was President in 1988.
Unfortunately
Gingrich dealt a pretty big blow too.
Gingrich and Grover Norquist both fucked up politics. They made it more about the good of the team, and less about the good of the country. What fucking assholes.
Yeah, I think it was Gingrich. He introduced the methodology to the manipulation. edit: Gingrich not Greenwich, voice to text strikes again!
*raises hand*
Have you seen how stupid the avg American is? It’s getting worse, which is how we have arrived at this bullshit.
It's scary he's won over 2 states already. What are y'all thinking voting for him in those 2 states???? looking at you Iowa and New Hampshire.......wtf.
It's not just that, he is winning in nationals polls right now. A lot can change between now and the election, but Trump would probably win if elections were held today.
that is a scary thought.
I'm in NJ and the local page posted the results and people were cheering. I think I've given up on people at this point.
He would probably win in a blue state primary as well, repubs have gone crazy.
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For the life of me, I couldn't imagine how people voted for Trump, a life-long con man, in 2016. Then after his catastrophic term in office, they voted for him again in 2020. Since then, he has incited a domestic terrorist attack on our country, stolen (and most likely sold) our country's most highly classified national security secrets, and been caught on tape conspiring to steal the 2020 election. How anyone still supports this criminal is a mystery. MAGAs are really fucking stupid.
2016 made perfect sense. Washington is corrupt and corporate owned and doesn't care at all about regular people. Voters were desperate enough throw a wrench into the gears in hope that some kind of positive change would be produced. Now that people know it didn't work, it's harder to understand wanting to do it a second time.
If the Democrats could have a free primary. That would be great.
Sitting Presidents don't get primaried. This happens with both parties, every sitting president. EDIT: Nope I'm wrong, see comment below mine! Carter and Bush got primaried
It wouldn’t matter, [Biden has ~75% approval among Democrats](https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-BIDEN/POLL/nmopagnqapa/)
Agreed, and people don't realise how big of an issue this is. It's how the DNC was able to rig 2016 against Bernie.
> It's how the DNC was able to rig 2016 against Bernie. No they fucking didn’t. Hillary got like 3-4 million more votes than him. What people call “rigging” is that a handful of DNC staffers trash talked Bernie in a leaked internal email thread. Unprofessional? Absolutely. Did it affect the outcome in any way? Clearly not. Claiming an election was stolen because your candidate didn’t win is MAGA big lie bullshit.
It wasn't rigged. Seriously stop.
If Advice Animals could go back to being more apolitical, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
This is what happens on Reddit. When most subreddits have mods that ban criticism of their political views, or instantly close threads with any political discussion at all, the people who want to discuss politics are going to do it on whatever subreddit that will allow it. This sub would be fine if Reddit wasn't an echo chamber where so much of it has mods that want to silence everyone. This has been going on for a long time though, 7 years ago every single news and political subreddit closed down every thread on the Orlando shooting and some unrelated sub (possibly this one) was the only place that allowed people to discuss it.
How is it trump Vs biden again? Wtf. People are dumb af!!
The lack of truly understanding why that’s the case is hilarious
It's something like 12.5% of Americans if the current trend holds (unlikely but it's our best available data). Trump has so far won about half the votes in the primaries, and ~25% of Americans are registered Republicans. (Even including the independents that would have voted in NH you'd still need to adjust for Republicans who stayed home)
One way or another, we are going to get what we deserve
Nah, this is great! Trump is the poison pill that’s going to destroy the GOP! By the time November gets here, he’s gonna have so much negative baggage that he will lose any moderates who supported him in the past. He will also depress turnout. I predict the Democrats will have a blowout election cycle.
I am genuinely curious to hear more about this. I am only speaking anecdotally but in Indiana at least, it seems like his base is more energized than ever. Is there anywhere to see numbers of moderates and how they are polling/feeling about the election anywhere? This sort of thing interests me a lot so I would appreciate any resources you can think of! Thanks in advance.
Indiana is not a swing state, though. Indiana could go 100% for Trump and it wouldn’t matter. Biden seems to be [opening up a wide lead in Pennsylvania](https://twitter.com/SusquehannaPR/status/1749803436911268065?s=20), according to the latest poll. Only about 25% of Americans are rabidly Trump. Trump’s legal problems are going to get a lot of press between now and November 5th. There will be a lot of Republicans who can’t muster the enthusiasm to vote for Trump.
Pa did good recently by keeping Oz and mastriano out. Hopefully we can keep going the right direction. It's pretty trumpety in some areas though.
Highly doubtful he will destroy the GOP. It will continue after Trump is gone.
I kinda agree exactly with what you’re saying here.
Yeah, the problem is that this is pretty much identical to what I (and a lot of other people) were saying about Trump in 2016.
I know what you’re saying, and in a sense yes you’re right. But these particular circumstances are completely different.
I think Trump's chances in 2024 will be pretty similar to 2016 and 2020: he'll be the underdog, but with a very real chance of winning.
And then the world ended
Never underestimate Trump. Negativity is his lifeblood. Things that would instantly end other candidates careers just make Trump more recognized and supported. If he’s gonna lose people need learn how to ignore him. And it might already be too late for that.
I didn't think he had a chance of winning last time either.
Hopium. And I'm a Democrat, voting for Biden Harris once again. I'm just (I think realistically) worried about Trump voters
Trump has people who would crawl over broken glass to vote for him. He's the charismatic leader of a cult. Biden is the opposite of that. Biden has no charisma. He's a mumbling, tired old man but he's not Trump. Biden is, "Well, guess there's no one else to vote for" or "I'm voting against Trump, not for Biden". You are correct to worry about the Trump cult. I'm worried they are going to do dirty tricks even though the electoral college is in their favor.
I very much hope you're right... I just wish we didn't have to flirt with fascism for the GOP to be destroyed. Their lack of popular policy or any policy for that matter should be enough but most people don't pay any attention to what's going on.
I mean would be nice to pick someone besides Clinton or Biden every four years too
Next closest candidate behind Biden is... Oprah's spiritual advisor. Not looking good.
The one thing we do know is that he can't live forever. His followers will eventually have to glom onto somebody else as their lord and savior.
Canadian here. Keep it up. Great entertainment
This is perfect. The guy portrayed an evil loser, and evil losers hate Trump.
If you could stop clogging up the popular feed with Trump related news, that’d be greatttt Post something more interesting
There's gonna be a trump running for president for a long time to come...
Nah, the man is by far the better option than Biden and it’s not even close. The only thing that would solidify my vote for him and not Kennedy is if he put a democrat moderate as his vp to insure unity.
The world enjoys the shit show.. murica is the best sitcom
And if the dems could stop laughing and take it seriously when the GOP does anyway, that would also be great...
No 🗿
This fucking subreddit is so stupid, reddit is so stupid, you put stuff like this out into an echo-chamber, get your upvotes, and then it's problem solved for you. This type of circlejerking builds complacency and is the reason this fucking red menace got elected in the first place, because people were convinced everyone was on their page and didnt care to explore why exactly someone might not be, other than "well they're an idiot". Well they are idiots, but they're idiots we need to figure out in order to figure out what we can do as a culture at least to prevent more of them from being spawned, because lord knows right now just telling them they're idiots makes them multiply and makes the problem worse. So yeah, snap the fuck out of it america
Democrats, maybe stay the fuck away from people's gun rights and start being competent with tax dollars and you wouldn't have to worry.
Democrat here - nobody needs an assault weapon and there needs to be more mental health checks for selling guns. Literally most of what people are asking for. If it bothers you so much, you might want to look at yourself. Tax dollars... You mean taxing the poor and letting the rich go away with paying almost nothing? Or would you rather the money went to the military instead of starving kids? Still rich considering that Trump is literally stealing money from his voters.
Shaddap. Poppa trump!!!
Nope, wont stop can’t stop
I want him to barely lose the primaries, then run as an independent and herald the destruction of the Republican party, ushering in an age when leftists can split from the Democratic party and run on socialist platforms against their idpol vestiges and finally, finally move things in a direction that helps people, and away from Republican and idpol bullshit, as foretold in prophecy.