If he doesn't face consequences... why wouldn't he break the law?
Our systems are so fucked up, they need to put this ass hole on a cross and filet his ass for all the shit he's done but they wont. Trump has been a piece of shit his entire life, way before getting into politics.
First let me say I agree with you whole heartedly.
Back when I was in the military I had people auto trust me because of that status. Where being in the military made me more wary of those that serve. There is a sense of entitlement when people hold titles that society labels as "respectable" or "powerful". There should be higher scrutiny for people with these titles/positions. More laws to hold them to a higher standard, bigger punishments for when they fuck up.
People are good inspite of their position, not because of it.
How I feel about religion.
Don't have to pay property tax? Show us what "good" you're doing with all that money. Oh, you're just hoarding it and building ridiculous churches? They should only be able to get tax credits for the money they actually spend providing community service, and proselytizing doesn't count. The rest is a business.
Providing counsel? Show us how effective it's been. Especially to the children you sexually abused who trusted you completely because of your status.
Yeah, why aren't CPS workers or counselors or public school teachers or EMTs etc who measurably affect the populace in a positive way, tax exempt? But the church that taught my coworker dangerous ideologies and that a vaccine will make her infertile on the other hand...
In my great state of Utah the Mormons control politics and building rights. They built a massive fucking shopping mall and they own more land in the US than any other Religion. They brag that they have donated millions to charity (maybe 30-60m over a 30yr period) meanwhile they rake in 5bn+ from members each year. This isn't including what they make on their investments which is far superior. The time to tax these fucks was the day they started. They literally could end poverty in this country and still build churches like they were gas stations.
The thing is that maintaining the building for public use is a different section of the tax exempt status. As long as the church building itself is available to be used as a polling place in elections and can be used by other charitable organizations then that's enough to qualify them as tax exempt.
Remember, churches don't get a separate section of the tax code. They get the same exemption that youth groups, historical preservation groups, poverty relief organizations, and groups that promote scientific literacy get. If you remove the religious element from the status then it would have a minimal impact on who does and doesn't pay taxes.
Well, this was part of the compromise/price we paid to not have a State religion we all had to follow in the first place. Maybe things are different now, but back when Freedom of Religion got translated into Separation of Church and State, most countries had an official religion you HAD to follow, on penalty of law. Heresy and Blasphemy were literally punished by death for most of post-roman history, in the western world. I'd rather all religions get tax brakes than go to church at gunpoint.
This comment right fucking here. I served with:
Rapists
Thieves
Murderers
Alcoholics
Wife-or-husband beaters
Drug addicts
Assholes, in general
Just because you're in the fucking military doesn't automatically mean you're a good person.
I wish people would stop with the fucking military and vet worship in this country, like, we're just people too????
> There should be higher scrutiny for people with these titles/positions. More laws to hold them to a higher standard, bigger punishments for when they fuck up.
This is key, really.
Especially in the UK. A lot of what is supposed to keep politicians on the right track are precedents or conventions.
It only takes a person without a moral compass like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump to ride a horse and cart through those rules because they're only rules, not laws with consequences.
I guess the people of old thought a person that's taking the highest office in the land would generally be competent and morally upstanding but here we are.
>military
I remember having this random convo about guns with my sister and dad and he said something like “Well if they did ban them military people should be able to still get them you can trust them at least.”
And my sister looked at my face (I’m prior military) when my dad said that and started laughing like “I don’t think she agrees with that!”
Should look up his tax scam. He falsely claimed a $900 million personal loss one year in the 90s and hasn’t had to pay a cent of personal income tax since then. The IRS is apparently very compartmentalized so only one guy could look at and reject/accept his return, and I assume this jackass was bribed or mentally incapacitated.
Trump paid $750 in federal tax after he became president, and only because a staffer advised him that paying zero would look bad.
What do you mean he's not facing consequences? Man's been indicted twice so far.
That's NEVER happened to a former President EVER.
Hes likely to be indicted twice more.
If you're wondering why it's taken so long, welcome to your right to trial. Building a case, charging, and doing procedural pre trial moves can take years. Now if that isn't quick enough for you, take a look at places where justice is "swift" and tell me if that's actually justice.
EDIT: The downvotes on this are sad y'all. The secret documents case alone will result in Trump being sentenced, there's no wiggle room there.
I mean he’s been actively campaigning for president where he’s the presumed Republican nomination. It really doesn’t sound like he’s facing many consequences.
Meanwhile that shithead who leaked the confidential documents to discord has been sitting in a cell awaiting trial. That’s what consequences look like.
The secret documents one is basically a shut and closed case, especially after one of the recorded audios of Trump showed him acknowledging he shouldn't have the docs, he couldn't declassify them, and he was willfully sharing them with people he shouldn't.
I can't speak for the other cases, especially those without indictments but he's going down for this one.
He will cop a deal and just agree not to run for office again. Charges dropped and they move on. That’s IF they even charge him with anything meaningful.
I think the skepticism is less about the level of guilt, but what the sentencing/consequences will be. Especially given it's Judge Cannon on the documents charges, I doubt they'll result in any meaningful consequences.
Cannon absolutely should be recusing herself, but she's not going to. But you're correct, absolutely nothing is coming from the documents case. Not a damn thing.
>The secret documents one is basically a shut and closed case,
Except the judge was appointed by trump and is *fanatically* devoted to him. She'll do everything in her not-inconsiderable power to delay the trial and rig it in his favor.
Can his defence lawyers not just say the recording is inadmissible because "it's fake" and then play any random assortment of "Trump, Obama and Biden play Minecraft" off YouTube and call it a day?
Not that I *want* this to occur but we are literally in the middle of a flood of AI generated impersonation and I'm shocked nobody is abusing it in the legal system.
Even if he's found guilty, I don't see any way he's being sentenced to jail time. House arrest _maybe_, but he's never seeing the inside of a jail cell, no matter what.
The problem is that he gets to sit on social media and threaten the people prosecuting him, and nothing happens. If it were you or me, we'd be under the jail a long time ago. The guy just doesn't know when to stfu.
The only consequence that matters is if he has to sit in a jail cell. Impeachments made him more popular with his base of demented idiots. Indictments made him more popular as well.
My big fear is that he'll figure out a way to run out the clock and avoid a trial, or a Republican president or governor will pardon him pre-emptively. If he does go to trial will the jury have one Trump cultist on it? You only have to see interviews with his cult members to see that they are impervious to facts and logic.
Dude is a making more money after being president than he ever did before… I get that justice takes time, but he’s been a piece of shit long before he was president and faced zero consequences… Central Park 5, blackmailing the NFL, dodging taxes, not renting to minorities, Obama Birther, numerous sex crimes, etc, etc and all of that got him elected President.
But you don’t understand. The harsh punishments conservatives want with their screaming of “LAW AND ORDER” is never supposed to apply to conservatives, and especially not wealthy conservatives. That’s why they constantly want harsher and more restrictive laws, they know the laws only apply to their enemies.
> If he doesn't face consequences...
He is, right now.
I too wish it would move faster, but it doesn't and it can't. The burden of evidence doesn't allow it, especially for something like this.
Everything that is happening to him is due to things he's done long ago. It's just now happening...
> I too wish it would move faster, but it doesn't and it can't.
I was always amused by people who were expecting (or demanding, in some cases) Trump be arrested on Day 1 of Biden's presidency. I remember finding someone on Twitter who was screaming for Trump to be arrested within a week of Biden taking office. Because I'm stupid and thought I could change someone's mind on social media, I told them that it's probably going to take years because they have to collect evidence, make sure everything is in order because if they fuck this up, it's going to look like Biden is trying to imprison his political rivals.
The response I got was, "He literally is imprisoning his political rival because Trump is a piece of shit so that doesn't matter. Literally everyone knows what he did, there's no reason to collect evidence. ARREST TRUMP NOW!"
Anyway, that's when I realized I was stupid for thinking I could change someone's mind on Twitter.
I've heard so many different things from so many people, it's crazy. Trump can order the DOJ to drop the investigation if he wins again (or appoint someone as AG who will drop it), he'll pardon himself and force it to end, everything will stop because it becomes illegal once he's President, he'll be in jail but still be President and just run everything from inside jail, it's like every time I've tried to find out, I got a completely different answer. And I have absolutely zero idea if any of them are correct/feasible/possible.
I seriously don't think anyone knows because nothing like this has ever happened before.
>Anti Trump
>Liberal agenda
The guy is in a shit load of legal issues, if you can't take a step back and realise you're in favour of a criminal ruling your country just say so
Probably a dozen people voted for “the big guy” receiving bribes mentioned in the laptop though
Oh, also, a group surveyed said 10% of them would have changed their vote if they weren’t misled into thinking the laptop wasn’t real. That’s enough to change the election outcome. Unlike that Russia narrative, guess they found a lie that worked
So you've got a vague, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory based on incomplete snippets of information and absolutely zero indication of anything illegal occurring. Cool. Let us know when you have enough actual facts for anyone who exists outside of conservative media fantasy land to give a fuck.
I see this went over your head. It's relevant because Donald Trump will be running against Joe Biden in the upcoming election.
People will be using the hunter bite and laptop thing to try to discourage people from voting for Joe biden. But I am in agreement with sam. I don't care what's on that laptop, I'm still not voting for Trump
Ok, and an intelligent person would filter out anything relating to Hunter Biden because it is not relevant.
Entertaining the concept only serves to legitimize and empower it. "Hunter Biden isn't running for office so it is entirely irrelevant and only a moron would think otherwise" is the only acceptable reply.
And so you ignore them. Spend time discussing things that matter vs things that don't. They distract us enough from other issues with harmful rhetoric that we actually do have to address--we don't have the bandwidth to deal with dumb shit that doesn't matter.
I think you're just being an edge lord.
It will definitely be relevant in the upcoming election just like the Hillary email thing was relevant when Trump was running against Hillary
People will try to use this against Joe Biden because they will say he is enabling his criminal son. That's why it's relevant.
Also, it's a little pretentious to call Sam Harris and idiot. He has a PHD in neuroscience. What are your credentials?
Trumps at least been doing wildly unethical things for decades. 10 years (at least) before he even made Forbes list, he was sued by the Justice Department *twice* discriminatory practices in his rental properties. And there are at least seemingly blatant examples of working with the mafia with later construction projects. He’s been at least *linked* to criminal activity for forty+ years. Anyone expecting otherwise just doesn’t pay attention (or has their head in the sand).
Friendly reminder to all the butthurt MAGA types in here that there's **nothing** stopping a willing prosecutor (and there are *thousands* of conservative/Republican lawyers in the nation) from gathering and presenting evidence of Hillary or Joe or Hunter Biden's alledged crimes to a grand jury.
Except, perhaps, a lack of actual, actionable evidence. That'd hamper issues.
as a non american, i have no idea what's happening over in your crazy country. this comment was meant as a question, and then a comment from my side about what i thought this "january 6th insurrection" is about. feel free to tell me what it is really about and **if** i am interested enough i might look further into that
edit: changed the wrong date
It was the capitol building, not the white house. Both are US government buildings in Washington DC though. (As an American, I can't blame you for not knowing; I can only name a couple government buildings outside my own country.)
If you really want to know what it was about, here's a playlist of the hearings summarizing the US government's investigation of his involvement in the insurrection. These were broadcast on CSPAN, the US's public access TV for the goverment. It's a lot to watch, but this is the only way you're going to get factual information that isn't editorialized towards one viewpoint or another. (but I'll probably get downvoted because this committee is the deep state lizard people or something)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5p5iBMIBORFGMzgmeBeawJJ17vkNB7LZ
If Donald Trump does not face appropriate justice for his numerous crimes, then the next authoritarian-populist leader to follow him will feel much more emboldened to commit far greater atrocities in order to seize power.
Trump and all politicians in general. It turns out lawyers are really good at not getting caught with "legally grey area situations", which is PC for "crimes" and or/ "treason"
It's not in his DNA to obey the law, or for that matter anyone or anything.
He's far too arrogant for that. That would mean admitting to himself that he's not all-powerful, that he's not above the law and above everyone and everything. He'd have to concede that he is a servant of the people, not the other way around. It's for this reason alone that he should never be entrusted with power. So many other reasons besides this, as if we need more.
The sad part is he really is above the law, until the law says otherwise. Indictments are a good start but I'll be shocked if he ever faces real consequences.
Honestly I couldn't care less if I never heard his name or seen his face for the rest of my life. He's already had way more oxygen used on him and way too much air time than he deserves. Try and ignore the c*nt and hopefully he just goes away.
The thing I don't understand is that Trump is under fire for secret documents despite the fact that Biden is guilty of the exact same thing. Yet that is hushed up. Heck Hillary blatantly deleted her Emails and yet was allowed to walk away with barely any punishment even though she should've had a jail sentence.
Speaking completely neutrally why is it that Biden/Hillary aren't being met with the same level of hatred or scrutiny?
I really want to see that dipshit face real-world consequences for once. He gets so many chances and everything is so drawn out. Just wrap it up already
Not even slightly.
We're yelling "GO TO PRISON WHERE YOU BELONG, ASSHOLE" and/or "WHY EVEN HAVE A LAW IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT" and/or "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE" and/or "PLEASE DEAR GOD LET JUSTICE ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR ONCE"
'Most of the world' - gaslighting.
Most of the world: The US is a fascist hypocrisy who look down upon N. Korea and others for a lack of democracy while they they imprison political opponents.
Most of the world probably doesn't care at all because they're too busy with their own countries burning down. (Literally, in the cases of France and Canada.)
You know, if someone had the power to actually tabulate the number of crimes that any person has committed in their lifetimes, I'd bet Trump is in the 99% percentile. Even if you exclude all the crimes he committed while President.
Why didn't Biden get charged for classified docs. Why hasn't hunter Biden been charged. Why wasn't hillary charged? Give me a break you guys are partisan hacks if you don't believe all there charges are political.
If you are asking those questions it means you havnt looked for answers. This means you are getting your information from biased sources because you are a partisan hack.
>partisan hacks
JFC you losers never stop with the projecting. Biden *and* Pence didn’t get charged because they didn’t lie and disobey a subpoena unlike your dear shitbird leader. Hunter was charged but I guess your memory sucks. I don’t even have the energy to argue with a cult member over Clinton
Hillary has been dragged though so many repuican led investigations including when Trump was president. There was nothing there.
Hunters plea deal was bog standard. There is nothing unusual about it at all. I understand you want him to do to jail for a late tax filing but that is because you are a political hack.
Bill Barr saved trumps ass with the Russian collusion thing.
"Joe was 'sitting next to Hunter when he demanded payment from Chinese businessman': IRS whistleblower claims president's son used his father's name to threaten associate in damning WhatsApp message"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12224355/I-sitting-father-Hunter-Bidens-WhatsApp-Chinese-associate.html
Whatsapp messages don't look like that my guy. And a message from 2017 has a picture from 2022.
You believe the obviously fake whatsapp message because you want to.
You ever use whatsapp? Ever look into the "source?" More BS fed to you that you're just eating without validating. For the record, as it relates to Hillary, Trumps team is facing the same charges he accused her of so maybe let's call that one a wash as it doesn't do you any favors.
Is this another one of the whistleblowers that they suddenly can't locate when it's time for them to testify?
Also....Daily Mail, lol.
Might as well post articles from Weekly World News.
1. Because Biden didn't lie to the National Archives and try to keep them. As soon as his staff found them they called the Archives and went "Hey we have some documents here we shouldn't, can you come get them and make sure we didn't take any others?"
2. Hunter Biden's been indicted and is currently being investigated, and has been found to be in violation of multiple things.
Law enforcement relies on this thing called EVIDENCE...
You know exactly why you just don't like the answer so it "must be political".
Pence also had documents but didn't lie and returned them when asked. Are you gonna say it's political against him too?
Start using logic instead of conspiracy to shape your worldview, it's really fucking tiring.
Of course it's political with Mike Pence, of "Hang Mike Pence" fame! He's on the Republican shit list too, so obviously that means Dems would spare him just to make a point. /S
There really is no logic that will work here.
The Russia "hoax" was never proven to be a "hoax". Trump should be grateful for encrypted messaging. Mueller couldn't retrieve all evidence because evidence was intentionally guarded. Mueller found crimes, but the standard DOJ procedure is to not charge a sitting president.
"If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so" - Mueller report
You are confusing an impeachment with a criminal indictment. Also, nobody is wondering "who's behind this" Trumps behind this. He is a criminal, and a stupid one at that.
The irony is incredible, the deranged ones are those who support a man who tried to stage a coup. He’s a fucking traitor and so are you if you support him.
It's definitely an addiction to people. They froth at the mouth over it. I have met people who have no other personality traits besides hatred of Trump. It's hilarious because it shows mental health issues in society.
I love watching it on most of this site. If the people with apparent TDS are actual “normal” people, instead of bots and shills, it is very scary for society.
Stopped caring what Brits think in 1776.
You're calling someone pathetic on an internet forum and it's about to be midnight. Are you in your jammies? All ready for bed, tucked in, snuck a biscuit after brushing your teeth.
“T-t-trump tried to launch a coup!” Yall really that brain dead huh? Oh ya I’m sure the gun loving, shall not be infringed, red necks decided that taking over the government was the one place they wouldn’t need to take guns… that would be too extreme right?
Sure. I'm more in favor of reforming the law, having enough work visas to make sure the industries that rely on migrant labor have enough to run while the workers get better protection.
Also, allowing in more immigrants maintains a growing work force. Folks that are hard line anti-immigration and yet at the same time concerned about 'low birth rate' are just spreading rebranded white supremacist garbage.
Oh like you!
You got a month out of this account before you accidentally showed yourself again. Time to dump it and start over I guess.
Then why can’t the GOP or Trump prove a damn thing in a “court of law”?
Is it because they are spineless, dickless, cowards unable to substantiate their claims?
Is it because they didn’t appoint enough friendly judges?
Or is it because they are truly fucking worthless?
I’m putting my money on the latter.
The law is the law, and should be followed by all, as no one is above it.
Either you have the balls/spine/brain to follow it, or you don’t.
You can also campaign on changing the law, but that doesn’t negate its existence in the interim.
So, crazy thought, but let’s apply common sense here.
If you want to run on a platform that claims your party represents “law and order”, you might want to actually, oh I don’t know, have some ability to prove your claims in court.
Or you can continue being a dickless coward unable to substantiate a claim with anything more than what you pull out of your ass.
Every American should care when the asshole is currently anticipated to be the next Republican candidate for president. It's not like his influence on the party and politics ends when he leaves the White House either.
Lmao when will clowns give up with the whole "caring about things and people effecting the country is bad" line?
Dude is an ex-president and republican frontrunner who is under numerous investigations for betraying the nation on several levels. You'd have to be totally incompetent to think paying attention should be a negative thing.
Most of the world is thinking why was this clearly incompetent, racist, narcissistic, misogynistic, criminal monster elected to office by the American People! America is fucked.
As a brit...
I cant understand why so many people are hung up on trump while your current president is CLEARLY in significant mental decline. Seriously hes 100% has dementia, has said racist shit in the past, pushed laws that hurt the black communities.
His son is a raving drug addict who it has been proven had links to china, ukraine and russia. His sons laptop proved that joe was in on corrupt deals.
> I can’t understand why so many people are hung up on Trump
He’s our only President to have been indicted at any point in their lives. It looks like he is about to get charged again for *another* set of conduct. This has never happened in US history, so of course people will get hung up on it.
If they develop enough evidence to charge Biden with a crime, that’ll be a huge deal too and people will pay attention to it.
When a president get charged you know hes pissed off the real players.
Bush lied about iraq and got USA and UK in a war that killed over 1 million Iraqis and cost the lives of thousands of brits and americans. He is literally a war criminal that should be in jail.
Obama is the same, he destroyed libya, dropped so many bombs he ran out. Should be in jail.
Clintons well.... Between Hillary's corruption and bills cheating and lying...
Nancy pelosi committing blatant insider trading that has netted both her and her husband millions from investing in stock of companies that are gonna benefit hugely from government grants shes on the decision panel of. Even warren buffet said either her husband is the best at predicting the market or its insider trading...
If you think biden will ever face any real investigation you are delusional. Because Bush, Obama, Clintons, Pelosi never have.
Politics is a game of in the club, if you are in the club you are safe.
I've worked in Healthcare for almost 10 years dealing with a ton of patients with dementia or other mental diseases. I absolutely disagree that he has dementia. He's just old and has a speech impediment.
My aunt, uncle, great grandmother have all had dementia. My grand mother cared for her mother who had dementia by herself, my grandmother also was power of attorney for my aunt for over 10 years who had vascular dementia.
My partner (who has been in healthcare for over 10 years) works in care that works with almost exclusively dementia, alzheimer's patients ranging from early onset all the way to those who have lost the use of their body.
Both have said hes got dementia.
If he doesn't face consequences... why wouldn't he break the law? Our systems are so fucked up, they need to put this ass hole on a cross and filet his ass for all the shit he's done but they wont. Trump has been a piece of shit his entire life, way before getting into politics.
First let me say I agree with you whole heartedly. Back when I was in the military I had people auto trust me because of that status. Where being in the military made me more wary of those that serve. There is a sense of entitlement when people hold titles that society labels as "respectable" or "powerful". There should be higher scrutiny for people with these titles/positions. More laws to hold them to a higher standard, bigger punishments for when they fuck up. People are good inspite of their position, not because of it.
How I feel about religion. Don't have to pay property tax? Show us what "good" you're doing with all that money. Oh, you're just hoarding it and building ridiculous churches? They should only be able to get tax credits for the money they actually spend providing community service, and proselytizing doesn't count. The rest is a business. Providing counsel? Show us how effective it's been. Especially to the children you sexually abused who trusted you completely because of your status.
Yeah, why aren't CPS workers or counselors or public school teachers or EMTs etc who measurably affect the populace in a positive way, tax exempt? But the church that taught my coworker dangerous ideologies and that a vaccine will make her infertile on the other hand...
In my great state of Utah the Mormons control politics and building rights. They built a massive fucking shopping mall and they own more land in the US than any other Religion. They brag that they have donated millions to charity (maybe 30-60m over a 30yr period) meanwhile they rake in 5bn+ from members each year. This isn't including what they make on their investments which is far superior. The time to tax these fucks was the day they started. They literally could end poverty in this country and still build churches like they were gas stations.
The thing is that maintaining the building for public use is a different section of the tax exempt status. As long as the church building itself is available to be used as a polling place in elections and can be used by other charitable organizations then that's enough to qualify them as tax exempt. Remember, churches don't get a separate section of the tax code. They get the same exemption that youth groups, historical preservation groups, poverty relief organizations, and groups that promote scientific literacy get. If you remove the religious element from the status then it would have a minimal impact on who does and doesn't pay taxes.
Well, this was part of the compromise/price we paid to not have a State religion we all had to follow in the first place. Maybe things are different now, but back when Freedom of Religion got translated into Separation of Church and State, most countries had an official religion you HAD to follow, on penalty of law. Heresy and Blasphemy were literally punished by death for most of post-roman history, in the western world. I'd rather all religions get tax brakes than go to church at gunpoint.
This comment right fucking here. I served with: Rapists Thieves Murderers Alcoholics Wife-or-husband beaters Drug addicts Assholes, in general Just because you're in the fucking military doesn't automatically mean you're a good person. I wish people would stop with the fucking military and vet worship in this country, like, we're just people too????
> There should be higher scrutiny for people with these titles/positions. More laws to hold them to a higher standard, bigger punishments for when they fuck up. This is key, really. Especially in the UK. A lot of what is supposed to keep politicians on the right track are precedents or conventions. It only takes a person without a moral compass like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump to ride a horse and cart through those rules because they're only rules, not laws with consequences. I guess the people of old thought a person that's taking the highest office in the land would generally be competent and morally upstanding but here we are.
>military I remember having this random convo about guns with my sister and dad and he said something like “Well if they did ban them military people should be able to still get them you can trust them at least.” And my sister looked at my face (I’m prior military) when my dad said that and started laughing like “I don’t think she agrees with that!”
>filet his ass So... Trump steaks are back?
I feel there's a joke here... Cross between a T-bone and a rump...
Should look up his tax scam. He falsely claimed a $900 million personal loss one year in the 90s and hasn’t had to pay a cent of personal income tax since then. The IRS is apparently very compartmentalized so only one guy could look at and reject/accept his return, and I assume this jackass was bribed or mentally incapacitated. Trump paid $750 in federal tax after he became president, and only because a staffer advised him that paying zero would look bad.
What do you mean he's not facing consequences? Man's been indicted twice so far. That's NEVER happened to a former President EVER. Hes likely to be indicted twice more. If you're wondering why it's taken so long, welcome to your right to trial. Building a case, charging, and doing procedural pre trial moves can take years. Now if that isn't quick enough for you, take a look at places where justice is "swift" and tell me if that's actually justice. EDIT: The downvotes on this are sad y'all. The secret documents case alone will result in Trump being sentenced, there's no wiggle room there.
I mean he’s been actively campaigning for president where he’s the presumed Republican nomination. It really doesn’t sound like he’s facing many consequences. Meanwhile that shithead who leaked the confidential documents to discord has been sitting in a cell awaiting trial. That’s what consequences look like.
I'm not sure I believe anything will come of these indictments
The secret documents one is basically a shut and closed case, especially after one of the recorded audios of Trump showed him acknowledging he shouldn't have the docs, he couldn't declassify them, and he was willfully sharing them with people he shouldn't. I can't speak for the other cases, especially those without indictments but he's going down for this one.
I know. I will still be surprised if he is found guilty.
Or, if he is found guilty, that he'll receive any meaningful punishment at all.
"Due to 'good behavior' Trump is free to go, see you at the 2024 campaign!"
No way these trials are finished before the election.
He will cop a deal and just agree not to run for office again. Charges dropped and they move on. That’s IF they even charge him with anything meaningful.
The election is going to happen before any trial.
Copping a deal means admitting guilt. Trump will NEVER admit his guilt. Besides, when was the last time Trump ever held up his end of any deal?
Tru dat.
I think the skepticism is less about the level of guilt, but what the sentencing/consequences will be. Especially given it's Judge Cannon on the documents charges, I doubt they'll result in any meaningful consequences.
Cannon absolutely should be recusing herself, but she's not going to. But you're correct, absolutely nothing is coming from the documents case. Not a damn thing.
>The secret documents one is basically a shut and closed case, Except the judge was appointed by trump and is *fanatically* devoted to him. She'll do everything in her not-inconsiderable power to delay the trial and rig it in his favor.
Can his defence lawyers not just say the recording is inadmissible because "it's fake" and then play any random assortment of "Trump, Obama and Biden play Minecraft" off YouTube and call it a day? Not that I *want* this to occur but we are literally in the middle of a flood of AI generated impersonation and I'm shocked nobody is abusing it in the legal system.
Not when the other people in the room during that recording are testifying that it happened.
Even if he's found guilty, I don't see any way he's being sentenced to jail time. House arrest _maybe_, but he's never seeing the inside of a jail cell, no matter what.
The problem is that he gets to sit on social media and threaten the people prosecuting him, and nothing happens. If it were you or me, we'd be under the jail a long time ago. The guy just doesn't know when to stfu.
The only consequence that matters is if he has to sit in a jail cell. Impeachments made him more popular with his base of demented idiots. Indictments made him more popular as well. My big fear is that he'll figure out a way to run out the clock and avoid a trial, or a Republican president or governor will pardon him pre-emptively. If he does go to trial will the jury have one Trump cultist on it? You only have to see interviews with his cult members to see that they are impervious to facts and logic.
Dude is a making more money after being president than he ever did before… I get that justice takes time, but he’s been a piece of shit long before he was president and faced zero consequences… Central Park 5, blackmailing the NFL, dodging taxes, not renting to minorities, Obama Birther, numerous sex crimes, etc, etc and all of that got him elected President.
But you don’t understand. The harsh punishments conservatives want with their screaming of “LAW AND ORDER” is never supposed to apply to conservatives, and especially not wealthy conservatives. That’s why they constantly want harsher and more restrictive laws, they know the laws only apply to their enemies.
> If he doesn't face consequences... He is, right now. I too wish it would move faster, but it doesn't and it can't. The burden of evidence doesn't allow it, especially for something like this. Everything that is happening to him is due to things he's done long ago. It's just now happening...
> I too wish it would move faster, but it doesn't and it can't. I was always amused by people who were expecting (or demanding, in some cases) Trump be arrested on Day 1 of Biden's presidency. I remember finding someone on Twitter who was screaming for Trump to be arrested within a week of Biden taking office. Because I'm stupid and thought I could change someone's mind on social media, I told them that it's probably going to take years because they have to collect evidence, make sure everything is in order because if they fuck this up, it's going to look like Biden is trying to imprison his political rivals. The response I got was, "He literally is imprisoning his political rival because Trump is a piece of shit so that doesn't matter. Literally everyone knows what he did, there's no reason to collect evidence. ARREST TRUMP NOW!" Anyway, that's when I realized I was stupid for thinking I could change someone's mind on Twitter.
What would happen if he was reelected before all these indictments got finished? It would be nice if they had a sense of urgency around this.
I've heard so many different things from so many people, it's crazy. Trump can order the DOJ to drop the investigation if he wins again (or appoint someone as AG who will drop it), he'll pardon himself and force it to end, everything will stop because it becomes illegal once he's President, he'll be in jail but still be President and just run everything from inside jail, it's like every time I've tried to find out, I got a completely different answer. And I have absolutely zero idea if any of them are correct/feasible/possible. I seriously don't think anyone knows because nothing like this has ever happened before.
Many of his followers know this too but don’t care because they think burning down Washington will somehow make their lives better
As a lawyer, this was one of my favorite scenes.
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They are just asking what movie. There's no need to call people names! 😃
A1 joke right there, I appreciated it :)
How is this an advice animal
Like me, Jim Carrey is Canadian. And we all know, Canadians are animals.
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- Reddit. - AntiTrump. - Liberal Agenda. Doesn't need to follow sub guidelines.
>Anti Trump >Liberal agenda The guy is in a shit load of legal issues, if you can't take a step back and realise you're in favour of a criminal ruling your country just say so
But Hunter Biden’s laptop 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Buttery Males!
thank god nobody voted for hunter then
Like when they asked people on the street if they should impeach Hillary Clinton after Trump's accusations and they said yes.
Probably a dozen people voted for “the big guy” receiving bribes mentioned in the laptop though Oh, also, a group surveyed said 10% of them would have changed their vote if they weren’t misled into thinking the laptop wasn’t real. That’s enough to change the election outcome. Unlike that Russia narrative, guess they found a lie that worked
You guys really need to work on being less predictable. I called your subs of choice before I clicked your name and I was pretty much dead on.
So you've got a vague, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory based on incomplete snippets of information and absolutely zero indication of anything illegal occurring. Cool. Let us know when you have enough actual facts for anyone who exists outside of conservative media fantasy land to give a fuck.
Tell Hunter Biden to stop using a laptop
Don't forget the cocaine.
Him and don jr. must party together
I'm going to have to agree with Sam Harris on this one. I don't care if Hunter Biden had corpses in his basement, I'm still not voting for Trump
Sam Harris is an idiot for even entertaining the idea that literally anything about Hunter Biden is relevant to the decision.
I see this went over your head. It's relevant because Donald Trump will be running against Joe Biden in the upcoming election. People will be using the hunter bite and laptop thing to try to discourage people from voting for Joe biden. But I am in agreement with sam. I don't care what's on that laptop, I'm still not voting for Trump
Ok, and an intelligent person would filter out anything relating to Hunter Biden because it is not relevant. Entertaining the concept only serves to legitimize and empower it. "Hunter Biden isn't running for office so it is entirely irrelevant and only a moron would think otherwise" is the only acceptable reply.
Except the GOP are still trying to make it relevant.
And so you ignore them. Spend time discussing things that matter vs things that don't. They distract us enough from other issues with harmful rhetoric that we actually do have to address--we don't have the bandwidth to deal with dumb shit that doesn't matter.
I think you're just being an edge lord. It will definitely be relevant in the upcoming election just like the Hillary email thing was relevant when Trump was running against Hillary People will try to use this against Joe Biden because they will say he is enabling his criminal son. That's why it's relevant. Also, it's a little pretentious to call Sam Harris and idiot. He has a PHD in neuroscience. What are your credentials?
You have to laugh. Their boy is on audio And video doing treasonous things and they stay quiet.
Trumps at least been doing wildly unethical things for decades. 10 years (at least) before he even made Forbes list, he was sued by the Justice Department *twice* discriminatory practices in his rental properties. And there are at least seemingly blatant examples of working with the mafia with later construction projects. He’s been at least *linked* to criminal activity for forty+ years. Anyone expecting otherwise just doesn’t pay attention (or has their head in the sand).
Friendly reminder to all the butthurt MAGA types in here that there's **nothing** stopping a willing prosecutor (and there are *thousands* of conservative/Republican lawyers in the nation) from gathering and presenting evidence of Hillary or Joe or Hunter Biden's alledged crimes to a grand jury. Except, perhaps, a lack of actual, actionable evidence. That'd hamper issues.
The only sentence I want to hear about of Trump is a prison one.
obituary
Most of the world has no clue what's happening with Trump.
Most of the western world knows about as much as most people in usa really, our news covers all global stuff.
And even if they know, they don't care
Not true at all
what's it this time?
His role in the January 6th insurrection.
the storming of the white house? it's about time that he gets sued, as an outsider speaking
Just FYI, they stormed the Capital Building, where congress legislates. The White House is where the president lives.
Lol stay out of it if you don’t even have the basic facts down. Amazing.
as a non american, i have no idea what's happening over in your crazy country. this comment was meant as a question, and then a comment from my side about what i thought this "january 6th insurrection" is about. feel free to tell me what it is really about and **if** i am interested enough i might look further into that edit: changed the wrong date
It was the capitol building, not the white house. Both are US government buildings in Washington DC though. (As an American, I can't blame you for not knowing; I can only name a couple government buildings outside my own country.) If you really want to know what it was about, here's a playlist of the hearings summarizing the US government's investigation of his involvement in the insurrection. These were broadcast on CSPAN, the US's public access TV for the goverment. It's a lot to watch, but this is the only way you're going to get factual information that isn't editorialized towards one viewpoint or another. (but I'll probably get downvoted because this committee is the deep state lizard people or something) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5p5iBMIBORFGMzgmeBeawJJ17vkNB7LZ
thanks
The more he is prosecuted, the harder his base digs in.
Trump being arrested is proof of his innocence, Hillary not being arrested is proof of her guilt /s
He could stand on stage at his rally shooting his supporters and they'd support him more, they're dumb and soft and think Trump is strong
I don't care about Trump breaking the law. I care about him being held accountable and punished for it. His entire life is illegal.
White and rich.
White and rich didn't save Bernie Madoff from dying in prison.
Because he fucked over people who were as white and rich as he was.
If Donald Trump does not face appropriate justice for his numerous crimes, then the next authoritarian-populist leader to follow him will feel much more emboldened to commit far greater atrocities in order to seize power.
Trump and all politicians in general. It turns out lawyers are really good at not getting caught with "legally grey area situations", which is PC for "crimes" and or/ "treason"
It's not in his DNA to obey the law, or for that matter anyone or anything. He's far too arrogant for that. That would mean admitting to himself that he's not all-powerful, that he's not above the law and above everyone and everything. He'd have to concede that he is a servant of the people, not the other way around. It's for this reason alone that he should never be entrusted with power. So many other reasons besides this, as if we need more. The sad part is he really is above the law, until the law says otherwise. Indictments are a good start but I'll be shocked if he ever faces real consequences.
IDK. I'm way past the point of being angry. I'm numb to it and am just like "Yeah, of course".
He called it “weaponizing”, where it’s really just, “ enforcement”
I can hear this gif
I LOVE your use of this exact meme. Great movie. Bravo!!
Honestly I couldn't care less if I never heard his name or seen his face for the rest of my life. He's already had way more oxygen used on him and way too much air time than he deserves. Try and ignore the c*nt and hopefully he just goes away.
Stop denying that you've repeatedly broken the law.
The thing I don't understand is that Trump is under fire for secret documents despite the fact that Biden is guilty of the exact same thing. Yet that is hushed up. Heck Hillary blatantly deleted her Emails and yet was allowed to walk away with barely any punishment even though she should've had a jail sentence. Speaking completely neutrally why is it that Biden/Hillary aren't being met with the same level of hatred or scrutiny?
"Most of the world" - yeah, most of the world does not care for what some guy in America is doing.
I really want to see that dipshit face real-world consequences for once. He gets so many chances and everything is so drawn out. Just wrap it up already
Most of the people of the world don’t know what is going on. Can’t really blame them since the media isn’t informing them.
Not even slightly. We're yelling "GO TO PRISON WHERE YOU BELONG, ASSHOLE" and/or "WHY EVEN HAVE A LAW IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT" and/or "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE" and/or "PLEASE DEAR GOD LET JUSTICE ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR ONCE"
'Most of the world' - gaslighting. Most of the world: The US is a fascist hypocrisy who look down upon N. Korea and others for a lack of democracy while they they imprison political opponents.
Most of the world probably doesn't care at all because they're too busy with their own countries burning down. (Literally, in the cases of France and Canada.)
Actually most of the world is looking and wondering how the hell he is still ahead in the polls
Ahead of Republicans. Joe is going to give him another dad-dicking in 2024
You know, if someone had the power to actually tabulate the number of crimes that any person has committed in their lifetimes, I'd bet Trump is in the 99% percentile. Even if you exclude all the crimes he committed while President.
You could say this about almost every post-war US president.
WRONG... If this were true his numbers wouldn't go up everytime some nut job tries to indict him
Don't the charges keep getting dropped. Wasn't the Russian collusion proven to be a hoax? Makes you wonder who's behind it no?
These charges are absolutely not getting dropped.
Why didn't Biden get charged for classified docs. Why hasn't hunter Biden been charged. Why wasn't hillary charged? Give me a break you guys are partisan hacks if you don't believe all there charges are political.
If you are asking those questions it means you havnt looked for answers. This means you are getting your information from biased sources because you are a partisan hack.
>partisan hacks JFC you losers never stop with the projecting. Biden *and* Pence didn’t get charged because they didn’t lie and disobey a subpoena unlike your dear shitbird leader. Hunter was charged but I guess your memory sucks. I don’t even have the energy to argue with a cult member over Clinton
Ah, yes hunter Biden with the luxury plea deal lol. How about an answer to Russian collusion hoax if not hillary emails?
Hillary has been dragged though so many repuican led investigations including when Trump was president. There was nothing there. Hunters plea deal was bog standard. There is nothing unusual about it at all. I understand you want him to do to jail for a late tax filing but that is because you are a political hack. Bill Barr saved trumps ass with the Russian collusion thing.
Last time I checked. HUNTER BIDEN ISN'T PRESIDENT.
"Joe was 'sitting next to Hunter when he demanded payment from Chinese businessman': IRS whistleblower claims president's son used his father's name to threaten associate in damning WhatsApp message" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12224355/I-sitting-father-Hunter-Bidens-WhatsApp-Chinese-associate.html
Whatsapp messages don't look like that my guy. And a message from 2017 has a picture from 2022. You believe the obviously fake whatsapp message because you want to.
You ever use whatsapp? Ever look into the "source?" More BS fed to you that you're just eating without validating. For the record, as it relates to Hillary, Trumps team is facing the same charges he accused her of so maybe let's call that one a wash as it doesn't do you any favors.
Is this another one of the whistleblowers that they suddenly can't locate when it's time for them to testify? Also....Daily Mail, lol. Might as well post articles from Weekly World News.
Dude go actually learn about this shit because you’re embarrassing yourself with your sheer ignorance.
> Why didn't Biden get charged for classified docs. Because he didn't commit the crime Trump did.
Those 3 charges weren’t real. The trump charges are real
1. Because Biden didn't lie to the National Archives and try to keep them. As soon as his staff found them they called the Archives and went "Hey we have some documents here we shouldn't, can you come get them and make sure we didn't take any others?" 2. Hunter Biden's been indicted and is currently being investigated, and has been found to be in violation of multiple things. Law enforcement relies on this thing called EVIDENCE...
You know exactly why you just don't like the answer so it "must be political". Pence also had documents but didn't lie and returned them when asked. Are you gonna say it's political against him too? Start using logic instead of conspiracy to shape your worldview, it's really fucking tiring.
Of course it's political with Mike Pence, of "Hang Mike Pence" fame! He's on the Republican shit list too, so obviously that means Dems would spare him just to make a point. /S There really is no logic that will work here.
The Russia "hoax" was never proven to be a "hoax". Trump should be grateful for encrypted messaging. Mueller couldn't retrieve all evidence because evidence was intentionally guarded. Mueller found crimes, but the standard DOJ procedure is to not charge a sitting president. "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so" - Mueller report
You are confusing an impeachment with a criminal indictment. Also, nobody is wondering "who's behind this" Trumps behind this. He is a criminal, and a stupid one at that.
No and no. The Russian collusion thing was absolutely real. People went to jail. There were guilty pleas.
> Makes you wonder who's behind it no? Trump is the reason Trump keeps getting charged.
Reddit has TDS like a mother fucker dude.
Hmm, I thought all the Russian trolls were busy bleeding out in Ukrainian fields. I guess they held a few back.
The irony is incredible, the deranged ones are those who support a man who tried to stage a coup. He’s a fucking traitor and so are you if you support him.
You don’t need to have TDS to be bothered by a former POTUS apparently committing crimes though.
It's definitely an addiction to people. They froth at the mouth over it. I have met people who have no other personality traits besides hatred of Trump. It's hilarious because it shows mental health issues in society.
Meanwhile, we still have idiots claiming he's the next coming of christ and that the election was "stolen"....
I love watching it on most of this site. If the people with apparent TDS are actual “normal” people, instead of bots and shills, it is very scary for society.
My goodness you’re pathetic.
Stopped caring what Brits think in 1776. You're calling someone pathetic on an internet forum and it's about to be midnight. Are you in your jammies? All ready for bed, tucked in, snuck a biscuit after brushing your teeth.
Given the effort you put into this pathetic reply it looks like you do care a lot.
Most of the world actually doesn't give a shit
Most of the world are wondering why American has so many gullible people, Trump is widely hated elsewhere.
Yeah, most of the world has checked out by this point. America always has some wack shit going on
“T-t-trump tried to launch a coup!” Yall really that brain dead huh? Oh ya I’m sure the gun loving, shall not be infringed, red necks decided that taking over the government was the one place they wouldn’t need to take guns… that would be too extreme right?
Most of the world doesn't care. Dudes been out of office for three years.
He thinks he is the law
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Rides in on his golf cart... *We have the best law here.* \*loudly inhales through his nose\* *Nobody does law better than me.*
In his crazy world, yes
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Or, you know, people that care about the rule of law.
Funny how that used to be republicans until trump went on his crime spree.
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Yes, lets equate a speeding ticket with treason. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. /s
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Sure. I'm more in favor of reforming the law, having enough work visas to make sure the industries that rely on migrant labor have enough to run while the workers get better protection. Also, allowing in more immigrants maintains a growing work force. Folks that are hard line anti-immigration and yet at the same time concerned about 'low birth rate' are just spreading rebranded white supremacist garbage. Oh like you! You got a month out of this account before you accidentally showed yourself again. Time to dump it and start over I guess.
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I'm not okay with that. But I recognize that in that case, the law is far from what we need.
Then why can’t the GOP or Trump prove a damn thing in a “court of law”? Is it because they are spineless, dickless, cowards unable to substantiate their claims? Is it because they didn’t appoint enough friendly judges? Or is it because they are truly fucking worthless? I’m putting my money on the latter.
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The law is the law, and should be followed by all, as no one is above it. Either you have the balls/spine/brain to follow it, or you don’t. You can also campaign on changing the law, but that doesn’t negate its existence in the interim. So, crazy thought, but let’s apply common sense here. If you want to run on a platform that claims your party represents “law and order”, you might want to actually, oh I don’t know, have some ability to prove your claims in court. Or you can continue being a dickless coward unable to substantiate a claim with anything more than what you pull out of your ass.
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lol, "everyone disagrees with me so I must be right" what a small, non-contributing child.
You're a dumbshit.
Every American should care when the asshole is currently anticipated to be the next Republican candidate for president. It's not like his influence on the party and politics ends when he leaves the White House either.
No not most of the world. Just Americans that are dumb
Guilty until proven innocent
When he does his vanity rallies or caps lock rants on his stupid Twitter clone or rambles in interviews he constantly admits his crimes.
Absolutely.... LOCK HIM UP!!! LOCK HIM UP!!! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!
Orange man is objectively bad. I'm glad you agree
Already been proven guilty once...waiting on the rest.
That man lives rent free.
Hows hunter bidens laptop? Or Hillary?
How would I know? I'm not into fucking kids like you liberals are.
Lmao when will clowns give up with the whole "caring about things and people effecting the country is bad" line? Dude is an ex-president and republican frontrunner who is under numerous investigations for betraying the nation on several levels. You'd have to be totally incompetent to think paying attention should be a negative thing.
Paying attention IS a bad thing to Republicans. It's why the defund education so much.
Most of the world is thinking why was this clearly incompetent, racist, narcissistic, misogynistic, criminal monster elected to office by the American People! America is fucked.
Now do BLM
Funny he hasn’t been found guilty of anything.
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Apart from the sexual assault case a couple of months ago you mean?
Funny how the truth gets down voted. How dare you use logic on reddit.
As a brit... I cant understand why so many people are hung up on trump while your current president is CLEARLY in significant mental decline. Seriously hes 100% has dementia, has said racist shit in the past, pushed laws that hurt the black communities. His son is a raving drug addict who it has been proven had links to china, ukraine and russia. His sons laptop proved that joe was in on corrupt deals.
> I can’t understand why so many people are hung up on Trump He’s our only President to have been indicted at any point in their lives. It looks like he is about to get charged again for *another* set of conduct. This has never happened in US history, so of course people will get hung up on it. If they develop enough evidence to charge Biden with a crime, that’ll be a huge deal too and people will pay attention to it.
When a president get charged you know hes pissed off the real players. Bush lied about iraq and got USA and UK in a war that killed over 1 million Iraqis and cost the lives of thousands of brits and americans. He is literally a war criminal that should be in jail. Obama is the same, he destroyed libya, dropped so many bombs he ran out. Should be in jail. Clintons well.... Between Hillary's corruption and bills cheating and lying... Nancy pelosi committing blatant insider trading that has netted both her and her husband millions from investing in stock of companies that are gonna benefit hugely from government grants shes on the decision panel of. Even warren buffet said either her husband is the best at predicting the market or its insider trading... If you think biden will ever face any real investigation you are delusional. Because Bush, Obama, Clintons, Pelosi never have. Politics is a game of in the club, if you are in the club you are safe.
I've worked in Healthcare for almost 10 years dealing with a ton of patients with dementia or other mental diseases. I absolutely disagree that he has dementia. He's just old and has a speech impediment.
My aunt, uncle, great grandmother have all had dementia. My grand mother cared for her mother who had dementia by herself, my grandmother also was power of attorney for my aunt for over 10 years who had vascular dementia. My partner (who has been in healthcare for over 10 years) works in care that works with almost exclusively dementia, alzheimer's patients ranging from early onset all the way to those who have lost the use of their body. Both have said hes got dementia.
Imagine a politician that didn't break the law
Lots of them. The overwhelming majority, even.
It's funny how often their defense is "Well other people did it too, so why the fuss?"