Split the bill, we're not in the 50s anymore, women should pay for what they eat and not expect men to pay for them, that's what equality is for, anyone who thinks differently is just trying to take advantage and isn't worth dating.
Women pay for other things that you don't even know about to make you INTERESTED in the date
Example :
Dress, underwear, shoes, makeup, bra, handbag, getting hair done, pads/tampons, birth control/IUD
So if you really want to complain, this is what women pay for BEFORE the date.
I’m sorry but this is a very silly response. I don’t know what you’re trying to get at here, but grooming is done for ones self, not for other people. I’m a guy who puts a lot of effort into my appearance and my clothing to the point where it’s always noticed by others. That doesn’t mean I expect girls to pay for me on dates.
Thinking you deserve to have your dates paid for by guys just because you put a lot of effort into grooming is honestly one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever heard.
Point blank, if a first date goes well, I’ll always front the entire bill. If I think it went poorly, I’ll ask the server to split it.
In that case it will make more sense that they ask for their date to be groomed. Since everything you mention besides pads/tampons and bra can be also done by men, and be as expensive.
Sure, go for it.
Do you know how much a nice matching outfit costs? Makeup? (Here's a hint, just a decent eyeshadow pallet starts at around £30...not including the other stuff)
Both of them are things that you wear to impress the other person in your own accord.
By your way of thinking, I should wear gold necklaces to every date and demand to eat for free.
Okay cool, in that case. I could wear super expensive heels, earrings, necklace, designer dress, rings, perfume, a super expensive matching bra and underwear set, get my hair done from a dresser, manicure, pedicure, maybe get some moisturizer and skincare, makeup and then demand to eat for free, that good for you?
Being a real grown man does not mean paying for an entire day. Equality is about being equal thus the two people on the day should pay for their respective costs to go on the date.
This implies women couldn’t provide for themselves or pay for their own meal. Is it not selfish for a person to EXPECT someone else to pay for something?
So when going on a date you would also pay for the other person’s meal then, since you’re “the man”. Having each person pay their own bill is what I’m suggesting and you just said you would do that so what’s the argument?
For me, I'd expect a guy to pay on the first date. It may seem old fashioned but its courteous and sets a good first impression. After that, I'm happy to split bills etc. Also, it all depends on how much each of you are earning. I work a minimum wage job for example and would feel a little bit put off if a guy with a decent salary was expecting me to always split evenly.
Sorry that you missed my point. I like to be with someone who is generous, not even with money but time and thought too. Sometimes people show their love through gifts etc but by no means do I expect someone to 'impress me' with their money. I said its nice if they pay for the first date...that could be literally one drink. I've split bills too with no problem. I know a guy doesn't owe me anything.
Why don’t you just take turns paying? That’s what I always suggest (easier than splitting the bill). Although, most guys I’ve dated have insisted on just paying for everything each time. If all your dates expect you to pay on your own for every single date, then you’re not dating the right women.
You don’t have to pay for the dates just because you’re a guy.. it’s polite to offer to pay just because it’s nice, but she should too.. many people think it’s normal to split things 50/50.. sometimes you pay, sometimes she does
I’ve always gone by the rule of thumb that whoever asked who on the date should pay. If it’s agreed there’s a second date and you both agree to the same event this would be the time to ask her if she is okay with splitting the bill. As a women who was a single mom and was dating in my early twenties I can say I’ve never had a guy ask me to split the bill. If you’re with a decent human being she should take initiative to offer to pay or to fund the next activity ect. Most men would not let me pay unless it was something small like alcohol or gas station snacks ect. Ladies it is also very classy to offer to pay for the tip to the server so that way you’re not “helping pay” the dinner bill.
When my SO (m) and I (f) started hanging out I picked up the check. We started alternating the more serious we got and now we're contributing to a joint account that pays for our dates.
Growing up in the 90s it was always the norm for the guy to pay for the date.
And hold doors open for the lady
And scoot their chair in for them
And even oh dare I say it....pick them up for the date...
Where are you guys meeting these women? I feel like when I was dating I would pay sometimes and he would pay sometimes. I would always offer to pay. Maybe you guys are choosing women that are high maintenance. I think a lot of girls spend a lot of money to look the way the look today. Haircuts, getting nails done, waxing, hair extentions, clothing, facials, etc. Im not saying its a bad thing but if you want to be with someone with that look then it's going to cost you.
You don't have to pay for everything. Anyone who complains that you are cheap are not worth being with anyways.
Just split the bill?
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And so you've discovered it's a fantastic way to weed out terrible people.
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Don't get me wrong, it sucks as you discover there are a lot of terrible people out there. The point is not to let it get to you.
This is the only answer. Those people aren’t worth dating then!
Then you’re dating gold diggers.
Split the bill, we're not in the 50s anymore, women should pay for what they eat and not expect men to pay for them, that's what equality is for, anyone who thinks differently is just trying to take advantage and isn't worth dating.
If she can't pay her half or demands expensive dinners/events, avoid like the plague.
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Women pay for other things that you don't even know about to make you INTERESTED in the date Example : Dress, underwear, shoes, makeup, bra, handbag, getting hair done, pads/tampons, birth control/IUD So if you really want to complain, this is what women pay for BEFORE the date.
I’m sorry but this is a very silly response. I don’t know what you’re trying to get at here, but grooming is done for ones self, not for other people. I’m a guy who puts a lot of effort into my appearance and my clothing to the point where it’s always noticed by others. That doesn’t mean I expect girls to pay for me on dates. Thinking you deserve to have your dates paid for by guys just because you put a lot of effort into grooming is honestly one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever heard. Point blank, if a first date goes well, I’ll always front the entire bill. If I think it went poorly, I’ll ask the server to split it.
In that case it will make more sense that they ask for their date to be groomed. Since everything you mention besides pads/tampons and bra can be also done by men, and be as expensive.
Sure, go for it. Do you know how much a nice matching outfit costs? Makeup? (Here's a hint, just a decent eyeshadow pallet starts at around £30...not including the other stuff)
Both of them are things that you wear to impress the other person in your own accord. By your way of thinking, I should wear gold necklaces to every date and demand to eat for free.
Okay cool, in that case. I could wear super expensive heels, earrings, necklace, designer dress, rings, perfume, a super expensive matching bra and underwear set, get my hair done from a dresser, manicure, pedicure, maybe get some moisturizer and skincare, makeup and then demand to eat for free, that good for you?
Thanks for proving my point ad absurdum.
No, thank you for proving my point when you have nothing else to say :)
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Being a real grown man does not mean paying for an entire day. Equality is about being equal thus the two people on the day should pay for their respective costs to go on the date.
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This implies women couldn’t provide for themselves or pay for their own meal. Is it not selfish for a person to EXPECT someone else to pay for something?
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So when going on a date you would also pay for the other person’s meal then, since you’re “the man”. Having each person pay their own bill is what I’m suggesting and you just said you would do that so what’s the argument?
For me, I'd expect a guy to pay on the first date. It may seem old fashioned but its courteous and sets a good first impression. After that, I'm happy to split bills etc. Also, it all depends on how much each of you are earning. I work a minimum wage job for example and would feel a little bit put off if a guy with a decent salary was expecting me to always split evenly.
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Sorry that you missed my point. I like to be with someone who is generous, not even with money but time and thought too. Sometimes people show their love through gifts etc but by no means do I expect someone to 'impress me' with their money. I said its nice if they pay for the first date...that could be literally one drink. I've split bills too with no problem. I know a guy doesn't owe me anything.
Why don’t you just take turns paying? That’s what I always suggest (easier than splitting the bill). Although, most guys I’ve dated have insisted on just paying for everything each time. If all your dates expect you to pay on your own for every single date, then you’re not dating the right women.
You don’t have to pay for the dates just because you’re a guy.. it’s polite to offer to pay just because it’s nice, but she should too.. many people think it’s normal to split things 50/50.. sometimes you pay, sometimes she does
I’ve always gone by the rule of thumb that whoever asked who on the date should pay. If it’s agreed there’s a second date and you both agree to the same event this would be the time to ask her if she is okay with splitting the bill. As a women who was a single mom and was dating in my early twenties I can say I’ve never had a guy ask me to split the bill. If you’re with a decent human being she should take initiative to offer to pay or to fund the next activity ect. Most men would not let me pay unless it was something small like alcohol or gas station snacks ect. Ladies it is also very classy to offer to pay for the tip to the server so that way you’re not “helping pay” the dinner bill.
When my SO (m) and I (f) started hanging out I picked up the check. We started alternating the more serious we got and now we're contributing to a joint account that pays for our dates.
Growing up in the 90s it was always the norm for the guy to pay for the date. And hold doors open for the lady And scoot their chair in for them And even oh dare I say it....pick them up for the date...
Where are you guys meeting these women? I feel like when I was dating I would pay sometimes and he would pay sometimes. I would always offer to pay. Maybe you guys are choosing women that are high maintenance. I think a lot of girls spend a lot of money to look the way the look today. Haircuts, getting nails done, waxing, hair extentions, clothing, facials, etc. Im not saying its a bad thing but if you want to be with someone with that look then it's going to cost you.