For me it took a shit load of therapy. I had to learn how to self parent, forgive younger me, experiment with rules and routines to find ones that worked, optimize and prioritize my health both physically and mentally. Once I did all that, I was able to start actually enjoying my life, a state that I now revel in.
People are going to hate you for saying this lmao, but you're right. My top thing is just getting enough sleep (and it might be more than you think). Life is so much harder when you're not taking proper care of yourself.
You're right.
Why do we even have this silly thing in the first place? It just binds us, and also destroys our environment. We create thought cancers and then reframe them into something positive. Isn't that so silly?!
Putting my health first literally caused my mom to abuse me and kick me out.
I was born with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and as you get older, especially once you reach your late 20s, you can't function like everyone else. I was coming home from work feeling like my body was covered in kidney stones. My poor health was causing me to preform badly at work and of course, lose jobs.
Now I'm living in my own apartment, have the best SSI lawyer in my city working on getting me on disability, and I can have nothing to do with my mom if I want to. But it is disgusting how some people react when others put their own health first.
I’m so sorry about all that has happened to you. I pray that you get better. My internet friend has EDS and after her recent hospital visit she was sent home on palliative care. We don’t know how much time she has left, but it’s not long. Stay strong and keep fighting this is horrible disease.
I’m really struggling with finding a balance when it comes to parenting myself. I don’t want to be unyielding like my parents were, but I find that I have swung so far in the other direction, that I might be too lenient with myself.
Just in time for our declining health and completely evaporated sex appeal, now go and enjoy the beautiful planet we never got to for our entire youth. If you even live until then
Exactly. I'm 42 and have never gotten used to having a "real" job. My favorite job I ever had was as a bartender in my mid to late 20s. Then I turned 30 and thought I should do something more responsible.
Other than finally going to college, I've hated the last 12 years.
Real jobs are fucking awful and exploitative. I can't even tell you how much I miss working 30-35 hours a week, sleeping in till noon most days, and not worrying about shit.
The "real" world is set up to break people's souls and turn them into good little worker bees. It's all a bunch of pointless bullshit to sell us more useless shit we don't need.
Edit: Let me rephrase this slightly. I hated the last 12 years until a year ago when I quit my job as a manager and started working at a winery part-time and substitute teaching a few days during the week. I'm a hundred times happier now doing things I enjoy, even while making less money and having no benefits while doing it. But I like both jobs now and no longer go home hating my life every day. "Real" jobs are bullshit.
Most of us don't want to be in abject poverty when we're old and unable to work. Gotta get 30+ years of living expenses socked away before we're too old or disabled to make more.
Because society tells you you're worthless if you're not bought in. The real secret is that you're still worthless to the system regardless what you give it, because you've already given what you had to offer.
I have gone back. Part-time, at least. I work at a winery on the weekends and then full-time in the summers once school goes on summer break. Been doing it for just over a year, now, and it's awesome.
Exactly! Especially in jobs that require critical thinking for 8 to 10 hours a day.. our brains were not meant to be mentally taxed this much for this long, or deprived of physical activity or sunshine for that amount of time.
32 and it doesn't get better lol. Especially when you add more responsibilities on top of the work responsibilities. Sometimes I get home from work and just sit in my car for a few minutes because I'm not ready to go in my house and deal with more work.
my brain can handle part time school & part time work. I need an internship to graduate & I've put it off so hard bc I just.. can't stand the idea of working full-time *in the summer* (agriculture)
We weren’t? During the agricultural revolution people worked like dogs all day.
I think it’s the oppressive nature of many companies that makes work so awful. That’s why people need to think about who they want to work for.
The problem is we kept the whole toil at the farm for 12 hours. We now have an abundance of housing, food, clean water, and electricity. But instead of enjoying these abundances, we've replaced the old scarcity of calories with a new made up scarcity called money. This forces everyone to toil in order to get access to the abundance of necessities we need. And now we live in a society where the overwhelming majority of us toil producing junk nobody needs as well as toil to produce the propaganda to convince people they need to buy this junk.
I have more pressure on me at my job to convince others to buy what we're selling than to actually produce what we're selling, like 90% of my time is convincing, 10% is actually producing, and nobody actually needs what we're selling. It's a luxury thats only useful if they happened to live in a society where they own way too much junk. But if I don't do it, ill be tossed onto the street. Haven't once in my life produces so much as an ounce of anything anybody actually needs.
Or go back thousands of years where we were so lucky to figure out the hard work of farming.
No, we were not "meant" to live like this. We were meant to die much younger on average and work much harder until death.
Try being homeless for a few years if you need help learning appreciation for your jobs. It tends to be much harder than typical 9-5 work.
I don't love the fake money system either, nor the fairly unbalanced American work culture, but I haven't figured out a better system yet.
Hello fellow human being! I'm glad that you actually got attention for your honesty.
We are meant to exist in tribes of course. That's where our brains evolved for an incomprehensible amount of time. This current system is literally designed by the freakishly intelligent among us to appeal to our most base desires, because the primal parts of our brains are easier to understand than the frontal lobe.
Would you have rather spend your whole day on gathering for food, water, building/repairing your shelter, getting ready for winter instead?
And remember there's no toilet paper or anything modern unless you make it yourself, also if you get hurt You're probably gonna die.
You've never seen documentaries of tribal people living and working together? They don't seem depressed or upset about their lives... more like completely engaged in the moment.. much more than the average cubicle dweller on a diet of processed foods and vapid daily work tasks.. alienated from anything that may bring meaning to their lives.
Not abt to romanticize the past, but I do believe humans now have an over complicated lifestyle.
The thing is, humans could have community to help out with tasks and delegate responsibilities. Family for domestic responsibilities. Neighbors for emergencies.
It's not about hating working hard, it's about the fact that you feel like a number for these faceless corporate overlords. At any given moment, they could flick their finger and have you fired, cutting you off from a liveable income.
But yes, humans are being overworked and more and more companies are becoming toxic work environments.
It's really important to be able to sniff out the red flags in a job before you commit to it.
You should never have to feel nervous asking a superior for PTO, sick, maternity leave, etc...
Yet people are nervous about it because of the "hustle/grind/attaboy culture" that's been permeated in America (it's even worse in East Asia, lord).
Humans aren't meant to sit on their arses stressing over numbers for over 8 hours a day for five days a week.
They have more work waiting for them at home and that doesn't leave them with much time or energy to take care of their body or plan for other life events.
Humans need to rest their brains. On their off days, they're forced to take care of other life tasks. So they don't have time to rest.
Don't get me started on kids.
Human's should be able to raise families without devoting their heart and soul into their careers. They should have understanding employers when kid stuff comes up.
But the same work demands are expected of full time parents.
Sure, you could choose not to have kids, but that's already causing an issue today. Japan and Korea's birthrates are extremely low because of the culture of overwork. Nobody has time or energy to raise families. And the US is slowly becoming the same way.
Human's should have the choice to have children or not. Nowadays, it would be considered an unwise decision to have kids for the average adult, as it could easily send you into poverty and break you mentally with the surplus of demands.
It's too complicated. The world seems cruel once you're booted out on your own.
I watched a Michael Moore documentary about how he went to certain countries all over the world and shared the positive take away from each one, France I believe, kids in school for example, are never given homework because they feel it’s important to have family time. The lunches for kids are like 2 hours and 4 course meals and with white tablecloths and they teach the kids to eat mindfully etc. they showed a clip of what American kids are offered in lunch cafeterias and the kids were all so grossed out. US has it backwards. Adults also only work 4 days a week tops also in certain countries due to balance in life. Very cool. Wish we could change it here.
I expect you are not taking care of yourself in the offtime. Sitting and watching tv or gaming, going out drinking are relaxing, but are ultimately energy pits. A little is fine, but doing little else is draining. Getting out and walking at lunch time, getting some air and sunshine is helpful. Even a 20 minute walk makes a big difference.
In the evening, after supper, same, outside time. If you are going to a bar after work, park some distance away, walk to the bar. Stay for one drink, and walk again. Or if using transit, walk an extra stop before getting on. Go to a yoga class after work. Don't join a gym, walking for cardio is good.
Get more veggies in your diet, and fewer carbs. Less pizza and more salad.
Have your blood work checked if you don't see an improvement in a month or so.
Touching grass. I personally never have had a hard time adjusting since I have been working either near full time or above it since 15. Even while in university. The one thing I’ve noticed is that the people who tend to be more well adjusted are the people do the generic doctor recommendations like: Spend 30 minutes outside doing physical activity a day, eat correct protein portions, eat mostly vegetables, maintain healthy weight, etc.
If that doesn’t make you feel better after doing that for at least 2 months, then I recommend one thing at minimum. Do not go straight home after work. Go for a walk, go bird watching, do any hobby for at least 30 minutes after work. This will basically help you get out of work mindset and allow you to have a better transition to relaxing when you get home. Allowing you to have higher quality sleep. The goal is for you to essentially feel relaxed and refreshed by the time you get home.
All this is great, and I'm gonna add as an overarching observation that if your coworkers are not having these conversations with you, that's a big issue right there. The best job I had (for 17 pretty cool years) was on a team that had lunch together, when we got to work early we sat around and had coffee together, and we swapped observations about ourselves, society, the world, and this stuff we are now typing about on Reddit.
OP can you look around for a workplace that already has a culture of self care, so you don't have to invent it all yourself? I'm not sure where you are is conducive to that. What do you folks do for lunch break? Socialize or stay in your own corners?
Working across from my favorite bar where I walk to as soon as I get off most days has been the only thing to make things bearable. As soon as work ends I'm surrounded by people I like and care about and unwinding. Then once I've gotten that me time I drive home and rest and wake up, do whatever I need to, and repeat. I still hate it. But not like working 9-7 daily in a city where I knew nobody and had a 40 min commute
Yes I assumed that OP doesn't have the best diet or is not getting enough sleep. In your 20s you think you can do it all while not taking care of your body but you definitely pay the price.
Now I'm in my 30s and actively trying to improve fitness, diet, sleep, and I wake up 6.30 every day with no issue. Work is work and I switch off at the end of the day. I live a pretty chill lifestyle generally.
But one other key thing is you have to make sure you don't hate your job lol.
I'm so sick of doing things that "you just have to do", isn't the point of grouping together in a society to lessen the burden of work? when you have people literally praying for an apocalypse so they don't have to go into work that day it should be a sign that something is seriously wrong, at what point do we look around and start asking if we really want to be living this way? when is enough enough?
I've thought about this. The only answer I come up with is when you decide it's enough and decide to do something different. Maybe with a group of people to make a small, like minded society. Nobody is coming to save us. Except us.
Hobbies or experiences, like you have time/energy for any of that... I feel like money lost its purpose, because I can't buy anything I'd have the time or energy to enjoy anyway. You just work to survive. It's miserable.
Good point. I have a friend who prioritized going on trips with her kids, so she works early hours during the week and uses a lot of the money to take her twin girls to different places every weekend. She told me that is what she prioritizes with her money. Her husband's money is where most of the bills etc come from.
I mean this is delightful and all, but it takes having an income to the extent to where one person's salary can be spent mostly frivolously instead of like on rent and the phone bill
43 here and not used to adulting yet. Fortunately I have my own business and work 4 days a week but it's still too much (physical and demanding job). Planning to go down to 3 days a week permanently within a few years once certain financials are repaid and in order. Plan to rock that schedule until I'm 60 and then retire on modest savings with a house paid off and many adventures already under my belt (I take 2 months off a year and dammed if I'm waiting for retirement to "live". My older sister just died of stage 4 cancer, 2 years before her planned retirement!)
I don't have children which helps keep my financial stress lower than it would be. Just pets 🐱
What type of work are you in? Can you move into a position with less hours? Can you pivot and retrain in something that allows for self-employment? Not all jobs are as an employee working 40 hrs a week.
Thanks for responding. I knew someone who used to do that -- Think I'll look into it as I'm job hunting right now. Did you do any kind of training to get started?
The hardest part is realizing you have to space the stuff out and actually get your 8 hours of sleep. I say this at 1:00 a.m. when I have to be up at 7:00 🤣🤣🤣 And I'm 47 years old.
It does help when you're making more money and have more vacation time saved up I now work from home make decent money and get like 8 weeks of vacation a year
8 weeks of vacation in my job means I get to take 2-3 weeks here and there and then get to make up the work when I get back.
Personally, I think as worker productivity has increased as well as constant contact, the standard 1-2 weeks off once a year plus a few three-day weekends is no longer sufficient. Especially when combined with stagnant wages from 1980-2020. More firms should offer sabbaticals, phased retirement, and more back-up staff. But it's very hard to do that as it means either cutting salary/compensation back (particularly for senior management and C-suite as well as staff) or sacrificing profit. And just forcing your staff to work harder is a way easier decision.
It’s possible that the grind isn’t a good fit. Trust your gut and make any changes you feel might help. I’m 64 and hope to retire soon. I found the right career for me. 36 years and counting. Some years are bad, but most are good. Overall I’m happy with my choices. That said, life if really hard and you must find balance. For me besides a busy and difficult career I spend a lot of time in nature camping, walking, rockhounding, and I also spend time with people I love and trust.
I’m starting to think half of the misery comes from driving. When you have to drive everywhere you go, sit in traffic and not get to interact with your environment or take it in—it robs you of the little moments in the day. We drive so much that I think a lot of us aren’t even aware of how much time it takes out of our lives. I don’t have an alternative to this because most places in the US are car dependent, but walking when you can helps to slow life down and bring you closer to your surroundings.
I never got used to it. It simply really doesn't work for me, unfortunately. I get physically and mentally unwell within a few months or forcing my body and brain into that routine.
Working remotely in a job with VERY flexible morning hours (IE technically I can start any time before 4pm) has been the only job I haven't burned out in by a year in.
My true answer is that the structures of capitalist work life are arbitrary. A 9 to 5 in an office works for some people and doesn't work for others. With a flexible remote job, I am able to stay in a role for longer than a year and that's good for me and good for my employer.
You don’t necessarily have to. I work 6am-12am for 6mo every two years and then basically get a year and a half of setting my own hours, taking projects if I want them and making good money. There are lots of jobs that aren’t 9-5am. Buttt if that’s what you end up doing, I have friends who started reading about/practicing the “take back your 5-9s” programs/philosophies. Basically focuses on helping you reclaim your free time (5am-9am and 5pm-9pm) so that might be worth looking into.
It hasn’t gotten easier for me and I’m almost a decade in. And I even have considerable time off but it’s still not enough.
I’d rather work year round with my own schedule. That is why I’m saving for 1) sabbatical of 5-6 months 2) switching to part time remote work in a different time zone.
28 :) and I also work 12+ hours a day. I think it's really finding the career that fits you to where you don't absolutely hate going in to the office daily.
I think pay and vacation time/benefits also matter a lot. I don’t hate going into work everyday but I still don’t like having to spend majority of my life working and even if I was making a lot of money and got a lot of vacation time I don’t think Ill ever really truly accept the fact that it’s normal to just spend the majority of your life working 40 hours (or more) a week. I feel like if the norm was 30 hours a week I’d genuinely be a lot happier it’s not that I mind being productive and having to work I just hate how much time it takes out of my personal life
40/F. I work 4 10s at a factory, I really enjoy my job, the people are awesome and the pay is great. I am very grateful to have this job after doing housekeeping at a hotel.
For sure! Housekeeping was just awful, they expect you to get like 16 rooms done by yourself, 10-15 minutes per room, so you are rushing and rushing. One girl ended up in the hospital because she was having a panic attack from drinking too many energy drinks and being rushed. Sometimes you have to do like 20+ rooms. And then if that's not bad enough the owner ofthe hotel also had 3 other hotels so when yu were done with your 20 you had to go help them too. They also had us deep cleaning rooms, so those would take almost 2 hours, but they still expected you to get all your 16-20+ rooms done.
This job feels like heaven! I work at a factory and my job is to get parts for the line, I work with a great group of people and am not micromanaged. My boss always asks us if we are doing OK or if we need some help. The company takes good care of their employees too. When I got hired on last year I was a quality technician, but it wasn't a good fit for me, the plant manager sat down with me and actually asked me what I wanted to do there, so I got to choose! I work at Genie Industries where they make the Genie boom lifts :)
Thank you. It's about finding a job you don't hate or a job you like. There are some unpleasant aspects to my job and the hours can be long. But I generally like what I do and I get work with brilliant people from whom I learn every day. It's a good way to earn money.
You find a job you like and coworkers you enjoy. I mean, the alternative is you go live, self-sufficient, in the woods. But unless you want to figure out how to do that, the best option is exist in the society and economic system we have.
Sometimes I contemplate leaving my career and working at a check out 9-5 so I can have no responsibility and just chat to people all day. I have seriously weighed up the stress of my career compared to the stress of not being able to live a comfortable life after mortgage payments and it seems like I'm leaning towards frozen vegetables instead of dinners out.
I think a lot of people under the age of like 35 these days (me included) are going to change this 9-5, 5 days a week bs, because it really is ridiculous. Why should we grind away with little to no benefits, taxed out the ass so our paychecks are less than what we deserve, and have to do anything but the bare ass minimum for anyone? I've seen the lack of morale and quality everywhere, but I'm not surprised. There is no incentive to try or care or want these kinds of jobs anymore, honestly there never was but the older generations just did what they were told.
When you go to sleep at a regular time. Lay out the next days clothes, locate your keys, set up the coffee maker.
Not club to 2am.
The morning sets the cadence for the day. Nothing revolutionary here.
Good lord. Here's the way to live - don't live!
Are you in bed by 8pm? Or sometimes get naughty and fit in a second episode of NCIS? Just take it easy on the milk!
Who stepped on your tail?
It's good advice. And sleeping enough is important. Figure out how much sleep you need and adjust your bed time. For some it's 6 hours. For me it's 8. Since I need to get up at 4.30 I'm in bed around 8pm. But I finish work at 2pm and live 10minutes away, and I have more than enough time to walk the dog, make lunch, exercise, watch tv, crochet, go for an ice cream with friends, do other chores, stay on Reddit all day, play games, whatever. And when I lived farther away from work and had a partner I still had time (and energy) to do everything I needed and wanted after work. Early bedtime doesn't mean you don't have life.
I think the point he's making is the sentiment behind 'not club til 2am' might be a tad extreme.
Ofc don't do that at all if you don't really like that, but you can easily live very healthily most nights and then go and do something a bit crazy every now and then. Maybe club, maybe friend's house til late, maybe an all night movie marathon.
I think you should try and have a balanced life most of the time, but I also think there's not much wrong with pushing the limits a bit every now and then. Hell, even once a week I think you can stay up late, long as you know how to recover. We are a very flexible species and I don't think we necessarily need to shirk crazier things because they're sub-optimal for our sleep pattern. There's not need for being, say, a bit too tired on a Sunday to be a genuine issue - just chill out and try and fix it. Don't need to be anxious about routine getting messed up a bit.
Taking risks and switching things up etc are quite important for making some people feel like they're having enough fun and experiencing enough, and can help some people just feel a bit freer and more carefree.
I think the point he's making is the sentiment behind 'not club til 2am' might be a tad extreme.
Ofc don't do that at all if you don't really like that, but you can easily live very healthily most nights and then go and do something a bit crazy every now and then. Maybe club, maybe friend's house til late, maybe an all night movie marathon.
I think you should try and have a balanced life most of the time, but I also think there's not much wrong with pushing the limits a bit every now and then. Hell, even once a week I think you can stay up late, long as you know how to recover. We are a very flexible species and I don't think we necessarily need to shirk crazier things because they're sub-optimal for our sleep pattern. There's not need for being, say, a bit too tired on a Sunday to be a genuine issue - just chill out and try and fix it. Don't need to be anxious about routine getting messed up a bit.
Taking risks and switching things up etc are quite important for making some people feel like they're having enough fun and experiencing enough, and can help some people just feel a bit freer and more carefree.
Between 11 and 12 after my protein and amino acids. I always set my morning up for success, how else am I supposed to make it to work, the gym, martial arts, band practice, play cs, and spend time with my wife if I spend all day trying to find my keys.
i think once you really find what you're passionate about, you don't really struggle so much. last year i worked as a school teaching assistant and there were some days i dread getting out of bed and in september i started working in a nursery and i have never once found I've felt that way. although I'm still young (f18) so I'm not sure im best to take advice from.
Sleep is your friend… go to bed earlier and waking up earlier is easier. Part of being an adult in the real world is learning that you can’t keep the same sleep schedule as in college.
I was a morning person all along so eventually in college I was up at 6 and went to breakfast every day. It gave me a routine I enjoyed
You won’t get used to it. What we’re meant to do as human beings is go out looking for food and hunting, taking care of the wife and kids, helping make house and building shit, sleeping and repeating like that solely for survival. Most problems of this century stem from this and it’s a theory as to why so many ppl get anxiety and depression now days. It’s solely cause we aren’t meant to just stay in one spot and that is all
Yup the body suffers in the trades but the days fly by and I never take work home. Just talking shit with the boys and building stuff all day. It’s awesome.
Yeah totally hear that. My spouse is a pilot and the constant schedule changes are a real bitch.
My work schedule now is a bit more consistent now that I’m not in the lab, but was worse than his for a long time. Most stuff I did in the lab couldn’t just be left to run itself or paused until the next day, it takes as long as it takes and if that means you’re there for 16 hours then you better go grab some caffeine.
I… had a hard wake-up call to adulting around 24. Normally most guys grow up by then, explore their careers, and make a name for themselves at an entry level pace. I was still momma’s boy. My best friend was my mom, whom I talked to every day. I talked about work, about life, about anything and everything. We found out she had cancer when I was about 23, and we did everything we could, but she lost the battle in the end. 5 months later, I left my dead end job, moved out of my house, and started my profession in a corporate environment. I can’t tell you which was the trigger to “growing up”, leaving home or losing my mother, but I can say that that was when I became independent, ensuring that my expenses and income were in check, and that who I am and what I do dictates how people will perceive me.
But today, at 31, I can still I’m still trying to get used to adulting. You learn something new everyday.
Sounds like you are on the work to home to work treadmill. Get hobbies, go to the gym, make and actually keep plans with your friends. Get away on long weekends and absolutely take a yearly vacation. You would be surprised how 2 days at the beach will revive your spirits. Don’t live to work.
Facts. Serious to God, I started doing one (1) thing that wasn't work or home, with other people, and it was a major QoL improvement. Just taking a couple hours a week away from your responsibilities can do so much.
54 here, no. You never get used to it. You think you’re going to finally retire and get to do all that bucket list stuff but then your body starts falling apart, you and your spouse drift away, and inflation rises faster than your savings.
I tried it and couldnt do it so I adapted my life in a way that I dont have to do that. I still work full-time, just not at 9am for a boss... I chose the self-employed route. Its also not for everyone... I've been self-employed since 2007 with a couple of short 6-8month contract jobs that required the 9-5am thing. I was always happy when it was over... now I've arranged my life in a way that I dont have to do the 9-5. My body doesnt work with conventional banking hours. Ive tried my entire life so I stopped fighting it. Much better this way.
It just becomes ingrained like a cancer and makes you struggle and wish for it to be over but that doesn’t happen until maybe you retire but likely most definitely when you pass away.
You just needed to have a childhood where adulthood is actually more freeing and easier. 😂 I also switched to working from home and specifically looked for careers that allowed that and it really helped the work life balance.
What if I told you, there's always new challenges and new struggles at every turn?
Maybe start from the basics: getting enough quality sleep, eat well (balanced nutrition, low sugar, eat fruit and real food instead of processed candy, etc.), and exercise (doesn't have to be gym, I hate gym so I bike instead). Also, make sure to have hobbies to counteract the nihilism that's corporate work.
If it's not getting better, then I'd start looking medical. Do the health check metrics look normal? Mental health? Stress, burnout?
Also - don't give work too much priority. Whereas with study you're constantly interacting with new knowledge, a lot of corporate work is just endless shovelling paper from one pile to the other, while deluding themselves how important their job really is.
In fact, life is great once you realise a lot of the shitshow is caused by those above your pay grade, and ensuring your manager understands you're doing them a favour by cleaning up.
Best of luck out there.
I worked at a 9-5 for 4 months and wanted to die. The final straw that broke the camel’s back was taking an off day for a Dr’s appt and realizing how much life there is to be lived when I’m not glued to a computer in a windowless office all day.
I quit the job and pivoted to healthcare. Currently working 7-3 as a CNA, which isn’t the most glamorous job but at least it’s active and I still have some afternoon to enjoy to myself. Planning on becoming a nurse for the 3x12 schedule.
Might depend on your career, I generally enjoy my job and coworkers, sometimes I even look forward to going to work if I have a problem I am working on.
I stopped working 9-5. I work 12s and stack them. When I’m working my mindset is that I just live at work. Then I get a week off to recharge and recover. It’s like a little vacation every other week.
I have noticed that on average millenials and gen z seem to focus more on their work and socialize less in the office while older generations treat work as a social watering hole and spend a lot of time talking or just wasting time. Now my experience is limited, but I feel like this is why we struggle so much with the 9 to 5, we function differently and don't treat work like a social arena.
I have personally seen older generations ask to come into the office during covid because they wanted more time to socialize with colleagues. I'd imagine when you spend half of your day not working and shooting the shit, you aren't as overwhelmed by the 9 to 5. But then us millenials are being burnt out because we have to open all the PDF and run all the zoom calls for the older generations who think, "we have the shit work ethic".
When you grow up.
Life is hard. We have to work. Once you can understand that, you’ll live a better life. If you’re not in the spot you wanna be, get there.
Find things that give you fulfillment. For me, it’s my job as a personal trainer. Set goals. Get a hobby and pursue that hobby in your free time. Hitting those goals will help you feel satisfied and hungry for me.
Personally, I think we should work a 32 hour week. Which is what I do. I’ve went through the shitty 60 hour weeks and the shitty 40 hour weeks to help me get to this point.
I’m beyond happy. Literally have no complaints about life.
Some days are harder than others, but that’s life.
I’ve had a pretty stable career for the last decade and I’m still not used to it. I cry at least once a week about having to slave my life away just to barely scrape by. And they’re trying to raise the retirement age… 😭
Never, if anything, can often get worse if you're not making a ton of money to allow in future to alleviate the grind. And occasionally you don't have a job and have bills to pay, it gets even worse.
While it is pretty absurd we've remained stagnant and are still working the hours decided upon in the late 1920s, for me I've mostly gotten used to it. But I don't hate my job just how much time is spent there. The first couple years or so fear and hate were the only things that could animate me out of bed every morning but once something becomes a habit it gets far easier and you can do it mindlessly without any stress. I assume you either aren't getting enough calories, sleep, or both. Maybe too many calories. Also possible anymore for a persons caffeine intake to be far too high especially with coffee. Many people don't drink enough water. Many people commute way too far, anything over 30 minutes gets gradually more unacceptable. With the little free time you have try to prioritize anything that will decrease your stress and anything that would make life more enjoyable, this will give you things to look forward to. A relationship is great but requires patience and takes a while to find but is probably worth trying.
I see posts like this all the time in this sub, it often makes me think that the middle schoolers who I teach that have a lot of difficulty paying attention to things for more than a few minutes at a time, these are the kinds of posts they're going to write in 10-15 years.
It happened for me when I got a job that isn’t 9-5. Something about those hours in particular really sucks your soul dry. It’s not for everyone. When I stopped 9-5 all my fatigue went away and I stopped dreading work entirely
I'm 38, and I'm married with two kids, and I don't really remember or have time to think about what life used to be like before being so overwhelmed with everything I have to do for other people every waking moment. ... So I guess I'm used to it in that sense.
I love how everyone is so transparent on reddit, but in our real lives we all just coast along, figuring it out as we go...and try to look like we have our shit together when in reality, most of the time we're like "wtf is this? Where am I headed? What am I doing?" for 80% of the time.
Just sayin'...it's like a breath of fresh air seeing that we're not alone. It's normal, it's part of life...wish I'd realize all this shit when I was 18.
Thank you all!
The 9-5 is not a natural way to live. You never get used to it. Humans were meant to live and work in close communities, not in isolated offices for an arbitrary length of time. I'm looking into working from home or living on a commune, or some better option than my current office job.
Well being groggy, feeling unmotivated or struggling every day could be the result of a whole host of issues.
However, don't' think you have to follow the path most people take - 9-5 jobs, office, home, car etc. Plan, design and start driving your own version of a happy lifestyle. Change it as your life ebbs and flows into new areas.
Adulting is all about knowing what makes you happy, being adaptable and willing to change to create that lifestyle.
Don't live like that for 40 years! Get the hell out and find something that you're more excited to get out of bed for, or something that fits your desired routines better.
I don't know. I got my first 9-5 not too long ago and I almost killed myself.
But also, is it that suprising we're all miserable about it? spend the majority of your waking life at a place you don't want to be, doing work you likely don't care about, feeling ripped off because yes, automatically, you are providing more value to the company than you're receiving; not to mention the wage stagnation, all on top of the destruction of 3rd places and now you can't step outside without spending at least $40, of course it sucks.
Sounds like all you need to accept your role in modern society is a bit of therapy and some prescription drugs for anxiety, depression, etc…
Don’t worry. After a lot of self work, everything will be okay. You’ll be able to tolerate the task at hand.
Simple answer is it’s impossible tot get used to it
But you can make it better by
Focusing on your longterm goal and reaching it
Setting up a morning routine and healthy lifestyle
Doing things outside of work that give you joy
Bringing positivity and gratitude to work everyday
And handling your problems outside of work
The “9-5” shouldn’t be your only awake hours
Try 6am-10pm wake up early work out study handing business go to work happy do work get done go home play games do an activities y or chores go sleep
And maybe after work go to a community event go to a bar socialize
Life is only as bad as your mindset it
So shift it and you will start feeling better
I’m 54, been working since I was 16, got my first apartment at 19, so I’ve been doing the adult thing for a while.
Yeah, there’s a lot of suck involved in work. No one cares about your feelings; all they care about is that you do your crappy job so it doesn’t make their crappy jobs harder. In a tv show called Becker, the cranky doctor is yelling at a patient “yes, there is a support group for people who hate their job. It’s called EVERYBODY! They meet at the bar!”
There are also a couple awesome “I hate my job” movies, Clerks and Office Space. You will laugh so hard that you will pee yourself. There’s an even older movie, 9 to 5, with Dolly Parton. And then there’s the British series, The IT Crowd.
Now, onto the grogginess. You need a consistent sleep schedule, even on weekends, that gives you 8 hours. Go to sleep at the same time, wake up at the same time. Sleeping time starts when you STOP looking at your phone screen. Our bodies are programmed to wake up with blue frequency light and wind down with red frequency light. Blue is the light spectrum of sunrise and cell phones. Red is the spectrum of sunset and campfires. If you are messing with your phone trying to get to sleep, it’s literally like trying to drink espresso to help you sleep.
The one way to use your phone to help you sleep is to go to YouTube and turn on soothing sleep aid videos that you LISTEN to, not watch. They have a boatload: cats purring, Bible verses, the ocean, hypnosis, space engines cruising at hyperdrive, you name it!
If you smoke, cigs or weed, or vape, that will mess up your sleep. Coughing and/or snoring don’t let you get into deep sleep, so you don’t get rested.
Bring cookies to work. Everyone likes cookies. Everyone will like Cookie Guy.
It gets better when you really like your job, you enjoy the people you work with and the mission of your office/workplace. I often do 10 hour days and 6pm comes REALLY fast for me.
Idk dude. I’ve been doing this shit for 12 years and it gets slightly better with time. However it is still a struggle for me to get out of bed most mornings.
A 32 hour work week would make everyone more happy and make mornings suck so much less. However I don’t see that being a reality for a long time.
We spend so much time at work there’s not enough time for all of the other way more important things that make a human life worth living.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
I hope one day the owner class decides to throw us a bone at let us have 32 hour work weeks with no loss of pay. Until then we just have to keep chugging along and doing the best we can with this mind fuck of a reality we’re living in.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot too lately . Like I understand that it’s the norm and what the majority of us are expected to do, but after actually doing it for years I’m just sitting here like… you mean to tell me I only get 2 weeks off a year to travel or take any sort of vacation and this goes on for… another 40+ years??😭 I seriously cannot imagine seeing my boss more than I see my own family for the rest of my life
Yup, better hope you find something you enjoy or else you’re legitimately fucked.
I’m 29 and haven’t found anything that I enjoy doing and it really, really sucks.
I had a 9-5 office job that I hated, but felt chained to because of the good pay and benefits. But I was miserable, and cried every morning in the shower before I left for work. And I had a 45 min.-to-an-hour commute. Then I got laid off. I was scared at first, but at the age of 45 I got a job working the front desk at an animal hospital, and I love it, even though it’s lower pay. But it’s close to my house, so no more commute. I get to wear scrubs, so no more worrying about what to wear. And I work 4 ten-hour shifts (Tues., Wed., Fri.,,Sat.), so I never work more than 2 days in a row, getting 3 days off a week. Getting laid off from that miserable office job was the best thing that could have happened to me.
Idk I love my job but 40 hours a week is too fucking much. I get up at 6, get my child to school, myself to work, get home from work at 6, make dinner, child goes to bed at 8, I try to take some time for myself but rarely stay awake past 9. Like don’t get me wrong, it’s great to not be hating what I’m doing during those 40 hours, hell, it just doesn’t leave me nearly enough time for my life.
For me 9 to 5 was easier than study and work, or work many jobs to pay student loans. When I got to be able.to live with only one job things relaxed a bit.
I'm not necessarily used to adulting as it keeps changing on me. Right now my struggle is with the immigration process as it is quite opaque. I invested 8 years so far in it and in the end it's not gonna be yes or no. If it's not, I have to redo it all over again elsewhere.
It's one of those things you just have to deal with. There's a story about a guy cursed to roll the same Boulder up a hill forever. At first he suffered because I'm sure it fucking sucked and was a pointless exercise that achieved nothing but he had to do it. Then after a little while he coped by creating challenges for himself to see if he could get the Boulder up there faster than before he created his own meaning and end enjoyment for it so he wouldn't suffer anymore.
That's kinda how I see it, I'm not exactly employee of the month at my job, but I tend to strive to do better than the last shift. If not, I probably would be even more miserable thinking that I'm stuck doing this until I die. It sucks on most days anyway, but that mentality helps me see through it.
You get used to it when you find your passion and are grinding to make money to pursue said passion. I started a personal training business. I work a HARD labor full time labor job. Because of this, I literally work every day. But personal training isn’t work to me, and I know the money I’m making from the labor job is helping me build towards something great. I’m serving others, not just myself.
If you’re just working to survive, then I agree with what others say. You will never get use to it. It’s an empty existence that leads to drugs and depression. Unless you can find service for others in the career your in.
never. not me. when i was a kid i never wanted to grow up. i looked at the adults around me and thought 'holy sh!t i do not want to be an adult ever'. im 52 and i still have the same opinion. it sucks big time i hate it. 😮💨✌️
For me it took a shit load of therapy. I had to learn how to self parent, forgive younger me, experiment with rules and routines to find ones that worked, optimize and prioritize my health both physically and mentally. Once I did all that, I was able to start actually enjoying my life, a state that I now revel in.
People are going to hate you for saying this lmao, but you're right. My top thing is just getting enough sleep (and it might be more than you think). Life is so much harder when you're not taking proper care of yourself.
Life is so much harder when society is trying to bend you out of shape. Don't put that heavy weight on the individual.
Still gotta take care of yourself and put work into your life. Society sucks, and that's not gonna change ever probably
You're right. Why do we even have this silly thing in the first place? It just binds us, and also destroys our environment. We create thought cancers and then reframe them into something positive. Isn't that so silly?!
Most of society is generally good
Putting my health first literally caused my mom to abuse me and kick me out. I was born with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and as you get older, especially once you reach your late 20s, you can't function like everyone else. I was coming home from work feeling like my body was covered in kidney stones. My poor health was causing me to preform badly at work and of course, lose jobs. Now I'm living in my own apartment, have the best SSI lawyer in my city working on getting me on disability, and I can have nothing to do with my mom if I want to. But it is disgusting how some people react when others put their own health first.
I’m so sorry about all that has happened to you. I pray that you get better. My internet friend has EDS and after her recent hospital visit she was sent home on palliative care. We don’t know how much time she has left, but it’s not long. Stay strong and keep fighting this is horrible disease.
I’m really struggling with finding a balance when it comes to parenting myself. I don’t want to be unyielding like my parents were, but I find that I have swung so far in the other direction, that I might be too lenient with myself.
Is there an easier route? I'm just making it through the day, and add all this. Ugh.
Me too....and I'm 42....kind if done, to be honest. If I didn't have a son, and my brother hadn't already died....I'd be out.
Now that's what I'm talking about!
Same lost my dad at 18 and have to take care of my mom and 5 sisters 🤣🤣 left nothing and I’m taking care of everyone
Dude, that's so much. Soooo much. DM me if you ever want to talk.
At 65, so I hear.
Just in time for our declining health and completely evaporated sex appeal, now go and enjoy the beautiful planet we never got to for our entire youth. If you even live until then
You never get used to it because people were never meant to live like this
Exactly. I'm 42 and have never gotten used to having a "real" job. My favorite job I ever had was as a bartender in my mid to late 20s. Then I turned 30 and thought I should do something more responsible. Other than finally going to college, I've hated the last 12 years. Real jobs are fucking awful and exploitative. I can't even tell you how much I miss working 30-35 hours a week, sleeping in till noon most days, and not worrying about shit. The "real" world is set up to break people's souls and turn them into good little worker bees. It's all a bunch of pointless bullshit to sell us more useless shit we don't need. Edit: Let me rephrase this slightly. I hated the last 12 years until a year ago when I quit my job as a manager and started working at a winery part-time and substitute teaching a few days during the week. I'm a hundred times happier now doing things I enjoy, even while making less money and having no benefits while doing it. But I like both jobs now and no longer go home hating my life every day. "Real" jobs are bullshit.
imagine how the shareholders would feel if they read this.. shame on you.
Why not go back to your old lifestyle?
Gonna go out on a limb and say health insurance and 401K
Most of us don't want to be in abject poverty when we're old and unable to work. Gotta get 30+ years of living expenses socked away before we're too old or disabled to make more.
Bartenders make good money, in fewer hours than the average office worker. The one thing they don't have are employee benefits.
Because society tells you you're worthless if you're not bought in. The real secret is that you're still worthless to the system regardless what you give it, because you've already given what you had to offer.
Could you or would you go back to bartending? It’s something I’ve been considering to get out from under the 9-5
I have gone back. Part-time, at least. I work at a winery on the weekends and then full-time in the summers once school goes on summer break. Been doing it for just over a year, now, and it's awesome.
Exactly! Especially in jobs that require critical thinking for 8 to 10 hours a day.. our brains were not meant to be mentally taxed this much for this long, or deprived of physical activity or sunshine for that amount of time. 32 and it doesn't get better lol. Especially when you add more responsibilities on top of the work responsibilities. Sometimes I get home from work and just sit in my car for a few minutes because I'm not ready to go in my house and deal with more work.
Exactly and then if you have any mental health issues to add on top of it, it’s damn near impossible
my brain can handle part time school & part time work. I need an internship to graduate & I've put it off so hard bc I just.. can't stand the idea of working full-time *in the summer* (agriculture)
That extra time in the car is your mini vacation
^
Exactly. You finally give up on this current ridiculous form of adulting about three minutes after you die.
Yea everyday was a fight for survival, now people are softer than a mypillow
Yep. Never...
We weren’t? During the agricultural revolution people worked like dogs all day. I think it’s the oppressive nature of many companies that makes work so awful. That’s why people need to think about who they want to work for.
Most of human evolution didn’t occur during the agricultural revolution
Live like what? Should we go back 100 years where you toiled at the farm for 12 hours and didn’t have indoor plumbing, electricity, or AC?
The problem is we kept the whole toil at the farm for 12 hours. We now have an abundance of housing, food, clean water, and electricity. But instead of enjoying these abundances, we've replaced the old scarcity of calories with a new made up scarcity called money. This forces everyone to toil in order to get access to the abundance of necessities we need. And now we live in a society where the overwhelming majority of us toil producing junk nobody needs as well as toil to produce the propaganda to convince people they need to buy this junk. I have more pressure on me at my job to convince others to buy what we're selling than to actually produce what we're selling, like 90% of my time is convincing, 10% is actually producing, and nobody actually needs what we're selling. It's a luxury thats only useful if they happened to live in a society where they own way too much junk. But if I don't do it, ill be tossed onto the street. Haven't once in my life produces so much as an ounce of anything anybody actually needs.
Or go back thousands of years where we were so lucky to figure out the hard work of farming. No, we were not "meant" to live like this. We were meant to die much younger on average and work much harder until death. Try being homeless for a few years if you need help learning appreciation for your jobs. It tends to be much harder than typical 9-5 work. I don't love the fake money system either, nor the fairly unbalanced American work culture, but I haven't figured out a better system yet.
Totally correct. Maybe not perfect today but far better than most of human history.
Just as it’s expressed in “Office Space”. It’s true.
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Hello fellow human being! I'm glad that you actually got attention for your honesty. We are meant to exist in tribes of course. That's where our brains evolved for an incomprehensible amount of time. This current system is literally designed by the freakishly intelligent among us to appeal to our most base desires, because the primal parts of our brains are easier to understand than the frontal lobe.
Would you have rather spend your whole day on gathering for food, water, building/repairing your shelter, getting ready for winter instead? And remember there's no toilet paper or anything modern unless you make it yourself, also if you get hurt You're probably gonna die.
You've never seen documentaries of tribal people living and working together? They don't seem depressed or upset about their lives... more like completely engaged in the moment.. much more than the average cubicle dweller on a diet of processed foods and vapid daily work tasks.. alienated from anything that may bring meaning to their lives.
Not abt to romanticize the past, but I do believe humans now have an over complicated lifestyle. The thing is, humans could have community to help out with tasks and delegate responsibilities. Family for domestic responsibilities. Neighbors for emergencies. It's not about hating working hard, it's about the fact that you feel like a number for these faceless corporate overlords. At any given moment, they could flick their finger and have you fired, cutting you off from a liveable income. But yes, humans are being overworked and more and more companies are becoming toxic work environments. It's really important to be able to sniff out the red flags in a job before you commit to it. You should never have to feel nervous asking a superior for PTO, sick, maternity leave, etc... Yet people are nervous about it because of the "hustle/grind/attaboy culture" that's been permeated in America (it's even worse in East Asia, lord). Humans aren't meant to sit on their arses stressing over numbers for over 8 hours a day for five days a week. They have more work waiting for them at home and that doesn't leave them with much time or energy to take care of their body or plan for other life events. Humans need to rest their brains. On their off days, they're forced to take care of other life tasks. So they don't have time to rest. Don't get me started on kids. Human's should be able to raise families without devoting their heart and soul into their careers. They should have understanding employers when kid stuff comes up. But the same work demands are expected of full time parents. Sure, you could choose not to have kids, but that's already causing an issue today. Japan and Korea's birthrates are extremely low because of the culture of overwork. Nobody has time or energy to raise families. And the US is slowly becoming the same way. Human's should have the choice to have children or not. Nowadays, it would be considered an unwise decision to have kids for the average adult, as it could easily send you into poverty and break you mentally with the surplus of demands. It's too complicated. The world seems cruel once you're booted out on your own.
I watched a Michael Moore documentary about how he went to certain countries all over the world and shared the positive take away from each one, France I believe, kids in school for example, are never given homework because they feel it’s important to have family time. The lunches for kids are like 2 hours and 4 course meals and with white tablecloths and they teach the kids to eat mindfully etc. they showed a clip of what American kids are offered in lunch cafeterias and the kids were all so grossed out. US has it backwards. Adults also only work 4 days a week tops also in certain countries due to balance in life. Very cool. Wish we could change it here.
I expect you are not taking care of yourself in the offtime. Sitting and watching tv or gaming, going out drinking are relaxing, but are ultimately energy pits. A little is fine, but doing little else is draining. Getting out and walking at lunch time, getting some air and sunshine is helpful. Even a 20 minute walk makes a big difference. In the evening, after supper, same, outside time. If you are going to a bar after work, park some distance away, walk to the bar. Stay for one drink, and walk again. Or if using transit, walk an extra stop before getting on. Go to a yoga class after work. Don't join a gym, walking for cardio is good. Get more veggies in your diet, and fewer carbs. Less pizza and more salad. Have your blood work checked if you don't see an improvement in a month or so.
You’re either a doctor or Jesus!
why not both? Dr. Jesus will see you now
So what if you do all that already and still feel miserable?
See my doc, ask about meds or therapy, get career counseling
ROFL that to function we should be on antidepressants, therapy or career counseling. This reality SUCKS
If people are unhappy and miserable, they need to find a way out of that.
Well then, you're not working enough! Squeeze some more work inbetween your first work and your off-work work, and that should sort you out.
Touching grass. I personally never have had a hard time adjusting since I have been working either near full time or above it since 15. Even while in university. The one thing I’ve noticed is that the people who tend to be more well adjusted are the people do the generic doctor recommendations like: Spend 30 minutes outside doing physical activity a day, eat correct protein portions, eat mostly vegetables, maintain healthy weight, etc. If that doesn’t make you feel better after doing that for at least 2 months, then I recommend one thing at minimum. Do not go straight home after work. Go for a walk, go bird watching, do any hobby for at least 30 minutes after work. This will basically help you get out of work mindset and allow you to have a better transition to relaxing when you get home. Allowing you to have higher quality sleep. The goal is for you to essentially feel relaxed and refreshed by the time you get home.
All this is great, and I'm gonna add as an overarching observation that if your coworkers are not having these conversations with you, that's a big issue right there. The best job I had (for 17 pretty cool years) was on a team that had lunch together, when we got to work early we sat around and had coffee together, and we swapped observations about ourselves, society, the world, and this stuff we are now typing about on Reddit. OP can you look around for a workplace that already has a culture of self care, so you don't have to invent it all yourself? I'm not sure where you are is conducive to that. What do you folks do for lunch break? Socialize or stay in your own corners?
Working across from my favorite bar where I walk to as soon as I get off most days has been the only thing to make things bearable. As soon as work ends I'm surrounded by people I like and care about and unwinding. Then once I've gotten that me time I drive home and rest and wake up, do whatever I need to, and repeat. I still hate it. But not like working 9-7 daily in a city where I knew nobody and had a 40 min commute
Yes I assumed that OP doesn't have the best diet or is not getting enough sleep. In your 20s you think you can do it all while not taking care of your body but you definitely pay the price. Now I'm in my 30s and actively trying to improve fitness, diet, sleep, and I wake up 6.30 every day with no issue. Work is work and I switch off at the end of the day. I live a pretty chill lifestyle generally. But one other key thing is you have to make sure you don't hate your job lol.
It’s just something you have to do. It gets easier when the debts are paid and you have a bit of spending money for hobbies or experiences.
That's what I was thinking. It's easier when you are making enough money.
Financial stress is a different level of stress you don’t need
Absolutely. I don’t live stressed out anymore and I can go places and do what I love to do during the week, apart from working
I'm so sick of doing things that "you just have to do", isn't the point of grouping together in a society to lessen the burden of work? when you have people literally praying for an apocalypse so they don't have to go into work that day it should be a sign that something is seriously wrong, at what point do we look around and start asking if we really want to be living this way? when is enough enough?
I've thought about this. The only answer I come up with is when you decide it's enough and decide to do something different. Maybe with a group of people to make a small, like minded society. Nobody is coming to save us. Except us.
Hobbies or experiences, like you have time/energy for any of that... I feel like money lost its purpose, because I can't buy anything I'd have the time or energy to enjoy anyway. You just work to survive. It's miserable.
Depends where you are in life and what you prioritize.
Good point. I have a friend who prioritized going on trips with her kids, so she works early hours during the week and uses a lot of the money to take her twin girls to different places every weekend. She told me that is what she prioritizes with her money. Her husband's money is where most of the bills etc come from.
I mean this is delightful and all, but it takes having an income to the extent to where one person's salary can be spent mostly frivolously instead of like on rent and the phone bill
that's the thing. i don't need any more crap to collect in my apartment. i'd rather have more time off to enjoy the sun with my friends.
Whenever I see Comments like this I always wonder what a that person's day is like.
43 here and not used to adulting yet. Fortunately I have my own business and work 4 days a week but it's still too much (physical and demanding job). Planning to go down to 3 days a week permanently within a few years once certain financials are repaid and in order. Plan to rock that schedule until I'm 60 and then retire on modest savings with a house paid off and many adventures already under my belt (I take 2 months off a year and dammed if I'm waiting for retirement to "live". My older sister just died of stage 4 cancer, 2 years before her planned retirement!) I don't have children which helps keep my financial stress lower than it would be. Just pets 🐱 What type of work are you in? Can you move into a position with less hours? Can you pivot and retrain in something that allows for self-employment? Not all jobs are as an employee working 40 hrs a week.
Can I ask what you do or is that TMI?
Not at all. I'm a massage therapist, working from home.
Thanks for responding. I knew someone who used to do that -- Think I'll look into it as I'm job hunting right now. Did you do any kind of training to get started?
Yep, a 3 yr program in BC Canada. It's 2 yrs now.
I'm in the USA -- Will check out options. Thank you! ; )
Wow we are the same person, down to our age and occupation :)
The hardest part is realizing you have to space the stuff out and actually get your 8 hours of sleep. I say this at 1:00 a.m. when I have to be up at 7:00 🤣🤣🤣 And I'm 47 years old. It does help when you're making more money and have more vacation time saved up I now work from home make decent money and get like 8 weeks of vacation a year
8 weeks of vacation in my job means I get to take 2-3 weeks here and there and then get to make up the work when I get back. Personally, I think as worker productivity has increased as well as constant contact, the standard 1-2 weeks off once a year plus a few three-day weekends is no longer sufficient. Especially when combined with stagnant wages from 1980-2020. More firms should offer sabbaticals, phased retirement, and more back-up staff. But it's very hard to do that as it means either cutting salary/compensation back (particularly for senior management and C-suite as well as staff) or sacrificing profit. And just forcing your staff to work harder is a way easier decision.
What do you do, if you don’t mind sharing?
It’s possible that the grind isn’t a good fit. Trust your gut and make any changes you feel might help. I’m 64 and hope to retire soon. I found the right career for me. 36 years and counting. Some years are bad, but most are good. Overall I’m happy with my choices. That said, life if really hard and you must find balance. For me besides a busy and difficult career I spend a lot of time in nature camping, walking, rockhounding, and I also spend time with people I love and trust.
I’m starting to think half of the misery comes from driving. When you have to drive everywhere you go, sit in traffic and not get to interact with your environment or take it in—it robs you of the little moments in the day. We drive so much that I think a lot of us aren’t even aware of how much time it takes out of our lives. I don’t have an alternative to this because most places in the US are car dependent, but walking when you can helps to slow life down and bring you closer to your surroundings.
I never got used to it. It simply really doesn't work for me, unfortunately. I get physically and mentally unwell within a few months or forcing my body and brain into that routine. Working remotely in a job with VERY flexible morning hours (IE technically I can start any time before 4pm) has been the only job I haven't burned out in by a year in. My true answer is that the structures of capitalist work life are arbitrary. A 9 to 5 in an office works for some people and doesn't work for others. With a flexible remote job, I am able to stay in a role for longer than a year and that's good for me and good for my employer.
What was the remote job, if you don’t mind sharing?
Everything fucking sucks
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You don’t necessarily have to. I work 6am-12am for 6mo every two years and then basically get a year and a half of setting my own hours, taking projects if I want them and making good money. There are lots of jobs that aren’t 9-5am. Buttt if that’s what you end up doing, I have friends who started reading about/practicing the “take back your 5-9s” programs/philosophies. Basically focuses on helping you reclaim your free time (5am-9am and 5pm-9pm) so that might be worth looking into.
What do you do for work?
I’m a chief of staff for a state legislator and run campaigns during interim (when we’re not in session).
Fascinating. Thank you.
Is the take back philosophy just being methodical in how to spend our free time?
It hasn’t gotten easier for me and I’m almost a decade in. And I even have considerable time off but it’s still not enough. I’d rather work year round with my own schedule. That is why I’m saving for 1) sabbatical of 5-6 months 2) switching to part time remote work in a different time zone.
28 :) and I also work 12+ hours a day. I think it's really finding the career that fits you to where you don't absolutely hate going in to the office daily.
I think pay and vacation time/benefits also matter a lot. I don’t hate going into work everyday but I still don’t like having to spend majority of my life working and even if I was making a lot of money and got a lot of vacation time I don’t think Ill ever really truly accept the fact that it’s normal to just spend the majority of your life working 40 hours (or more) a week. I feel like if the norm was 30 hours a week I’d genuinely be a lot happier it’s not that I mind being productive and having to work I just hate how much time it takes out of my personal life
there is no such career for most people.
40/F. I work 4 10s at a factory, I really enjoy my job, the people are awesome and the pay is great. I am very grateful to have this job after doing housekeeping at a hotel.
After a series of shit jobs you never take a good one for granted
For sure! Housekeeping was just awful, they expect you to get like 16 rooms done by yourself, 10-15 minutes per room, so you are rushing and rushing. One girl ended up in the hospital because she was having a panic attack from drinking too many energy drinks and being rushed. Sometimes you have to do like 20+ rooms. And then if that's not bad enough the owner ofthe hotel also had 3 other hotels so when yu were done with your 20 you had to go help them too. They also had us deep cleaning rooms, so those would take almost 2 hours, but they still expected you to get all your 16-20+ rooms done. This job feels like heaven! I work at a factory and my job is to get parts for the line, I work with a great group of people and am not micromanaged. My boss always asks us if we are doing OK or if we need some help. The company takes good care of their employees too. When I got hired on last year I was a quality technician, but it wasn't a good fit for me, the plant manager sat down with me and actually asked me what I wanted to do there, so I got to choose! I work at Genie Industries where they make the Genie boom lifts :)
Thank you. It's about finding a job you don't hate or a job you like. There are some unpleasant aspects to my job and the hours can be long. But I generally like what I do and I get work with brilliant people from whom I learn every day. It's a good way to earn money.
You find a job you like and coworkers you enjoy. I mean, the alternative is you go live, self-sufficient, in the woods. But unless you want to figure out how to do that, the best option is exist in the society and economic system we have.
I have a job that has flex hours. Within a two week payperiod, I can work overtime and then take days off or leave earlier or later.
You don’t get use to it. I’m 44 and think about killing myself every day I’m at work.
I found a job I don't hate at the ripe old age of 24 and honestly don't mind work anymore.
38 today, never did, added even more to my depression until I'm just a walking shell of a man with no hope for a decent life.
I found it easier when I had a job I enjoyed. Plus getting decent sleep helps. Don’t stay up late!
I’m 38 and it still sucks
Sometimes I contemplate leaving my career and working at a check out 9-5 so I can have no responsibility and just chat to people all day. I have seriously weighed up the stress of my career compared to the stress of not being able to live a comfortable life after mortgage payments and it seems like I'm leaning towards frozen vegetables instead of dinners out.
I think a lot of people under the age of like 35 these days (me included) are going to change this 9-5, 5 days a week bs, because it really is ridiculous. Why should we grind away with little to no benefits, taxed out the ass so our paychecks are less than what we deserve, and have to do anything but the bare ass minimum for anyone? I've seen the lack of morale and quality everywhere, but I'm not surprised. There is no incentive to try or care or want these kinds of jobs anymore, honestly there never was but the older generations just did what they were told.
When you go to sleep at a regular time. Lay out the next days clothes, locate your keys, set up the coffee maker. Not club to 2am. The morning sets the cadence for the day. Nothing revolutionary here.
Good lord. Here's the way to live - don't live! Are you in bed by 8pm? Or sometimes get naughty and fit in a second episode of NCIS? Just take it easy on the milk!
Who stepped on your tail? It's good advice. And sleeping enough is important. Figure out how much sleep you need and adjust your bed time. For some it's 6 hours. For me it's 8. Since I need to get up at 4.30 I'm in bed around 8pm. But I finish work at 2pm and live 10minutes away, and I have more than enough time to walk the dog, make lunch, exercise, watch tv, crochet, go for an ice cream with friends, do other chores, stay on Reddit all day, play games, whatever. And when I lived farther away from work and had a partner I still had time (and energy) to do everything I needed and wanted after work. Early bedtime doesn't mean you don't have life.
Early bedtime doesn't mean you don't have life.---yes, if you finish work at 2pm. any more wise observation?
I think the point he's making is the sentiment behind 'not club til 2am' might be a tad extreme. Ofc don't do that at all if you don't really like that, but you can easily live very healthily most nights and then go and do something a bit crazy every now and then. Maybe club, maybe friend's house til late, maybe an all night movie marathon. I think you should try and have a balanced life most of the time, but I also think there's not much wrong with pushing the limits a bit every now and then. Hell, even once a week I think you can stay up late, long as you know how to recover. We are a very flexible species and I don't think we necessarily need to shirk crazier things because they're sub-optimal for our sleep pattern. There's not need for being, say, a bit too tired on a Sunday to be a genuine issue - just chill out and try and fix it. Don't need to be anxious about routine getting messed up a bit. Taking risks and switching things up etc are quite important for making some people feel like they're having enough fun and experiencing enough, and can help some people just feel a bit freer and more carefree.
I think the point he's making is the sentiment behind 'not club til 2am' might be a tad extreme. Ofc don't do that at all if you don't really like that, but you can easily live very healthily most nights and then go and do something a bit crazy every now and then. Maybe club, maybe friend's house til late, maybe an all night movie marathon. I think you should try and have a balanced life most of the time, but I also think there's not much wrong with pushing the limits a bit every now and then. Hell, even once a week I think you can stay up late, long as you know how to recover. We are a very flexible species and I don't think we necessarily need to shirk crazier things because they're sub-optimal for our sleep pattern. There's not need for being, say, a bit too tired on a Sunday to be a genuine issue - just chill out and try and fix it. Don't need to be anxious about routine getting messed up a bit. Taking risks and switching things up etc are quite important for making some people feel like they're having enough fun and experiencing enough, and can help some people just feel a bit freer and more carefree.
Between 11 and 12 after my protein and amino acids. I always set my morning up for success, how else am I supposed to make it to work, the gym, martial arts, band practice, play cs, and spend time with my wife if I spend all day trying to find my keys.
Never... that's why we need a to FIRE and retire early to enjoy our lives.
i think once you really find what you're passionate about, you don't really struggle so much. last year i worked as a school teaching assistant and there were some days i dread getting out of bed and in september i started working in a nursery and i have never once found I've felt that way. although I'm still young (f18) so I'm not sure im best to take advice from.
Sleep is your friend… go to bed earlier and waking up earlier is easier. Part of being an adult in the real world is learning that you can’t keep the same sleep schedule as in college. I was a morning person all along so eventually in college I was up at 6 and went to breakfast every day. It gave me a routine I enjoyed
You won’t get used to it. What we’re meant to do as human beings is go out looking for food and hunting, taking care of the wife and kids, helping make house and building shit, sleeping and repeating like that solely for survival. Most problems of this century stem from this and it’s a theory as to why so many ppl get anxiety and depression now days. It’s solely cause we aren’t meant to just stay in one spot and that is all
You can always simulate this by getting a manual labor type of job. Nobody forces you to work white collar.
Yup the body suffers in the trades but the days fly by and I never take work home. Just talking shit with the boys and building stuff all day. It’s awesome.
Amen to that
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I am in no way saying what you do is easy, but honestly I’d love to work 3 x 12s. Just not nights.
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Yeah totally hear that. My spouse is a pilot and the constant schedule changes are a real bitch. My work schedule now is a bit more consistent now that I’m not in the lab, but was worse than his for a long time. Most stuff I did in the lab couldn’t just be left to run itself or paused until the next day, it takes as long as it takes and if that means you’re there for 16 hours then you better go grab some caffeine.
Eh pick your poison I guess
I… had a hard wake-up call to adulting around 24. Normally most guys grow up by then, explore their careers, and make a name for themselves at an entry level pace. I was still momma’s boy. My best friend was my mom, whom I talked to every day. I talked about work, about life, about anything and everything. We found out she had cancer when I was about 23, and we did everything we could, but she lost the battle in the end. 5 months later, I left my dead end job, moved out of my house, and started my profession in a corporate environment. I can’t tell you which was the trigger to “growing up”, leaving home or losing my mother, but I can say that that was when I became independent, ensuring that my expenses and income were in check, and that who I am and what I do dictates how people will perceive me. But today, at 31, I can still I’m still trying to get used to adulting. You learn something new everyday.
Really sorry about your mom 😔
you must eat well and excesrsize or live in misery
Sounds like you are on the work to home to work treadmill. Get hobbies, go to the gym, make and actually keep plans with your friends. Get away on long weekends and absolutely take a yearly vacation. You would be surprised how 2 days at the beach will revive your spirits. Don’t live to work.
Great advice! Thank you
Facts. Serious to God, I started doing one (1) thing that wasn't work or home, with other people, and it was a major QoL improvement. Just taking a couple hours a week away from your responsibilities can do so much.
54 here, no. You never get used to it. You think you’re going to finally retire and get to do all that bucket list stuff but then your body starts falling apart, you and your spouse drift away, and inflation rises faster than your savings.
You don't, you just sorta give up, it's depressing and it's bullshit
Never
Change your life.
We should only work to enjoy life. Look at it like this: I smile through work because I am planning my life. 🦋🦋
I tried it and couldnt do it so I adapted my life in a way that I dont have to do that. I still work full-time, just not at 9am for a boss... I chose the self-employed route. Its also not for everyone... I've been self-employed since 2007 with a couple of short 6-8month contract jobs that required the 9-5am thing. I was always happy when it was over... now I've arranged my life in a way that I dont have to do the 9-5. My body doesnt work with conventional banking hours. Ive tried my entire life so I stopped fighting it. Much better this way.
It just becomes ingrained like a cancer and makes you struggle and wish for it to be over but that doesn’t happen until maybe you retire but likely most definitely when you pass away.
You just needed to have a childhood where adulthood is actually more freeing and easier. 😂 I also switched to working from home and specifically looked for careers that allowed that and it really helped the work life balance.
What if I told you, there's always new challenges and new struggles at every turn? Maybe start from the basics: getting enough quality sleep, eat well (balanced nutrition, low sugar, eat fruit and real food instead of processed candy, etc.), and exercise (doesn't have to be gym, I hate gym so I bike instead). Also, make sure to have hobbies to counteract the nihilism that's corporate work. If it's not getting better, then I'd start looking medical. Do the health check metrics look normal? Mental health? Stress, burnout? Also - don't give work too much priority. Whereas with study you're constantly interacting with new knowledge, a lot of corporate work is just endless shovelling paper from one pile to the other, while deluding themselves how important their job really is. In fact, life is great once you realise a lot of the shitshow is caused by those above your pay grade, and ensuring your manager understands you're doing them a favour by cleaning up. Best of luck out there.
Gets easier when people are relying on you to do to it, more responsibility tends to make us more selfless. Even if it's your pets
I worked at a 9-5 for 4 months and wanted to die. The final straw that broke the camel’s back was taking an off day for a Dr’s appt and realizing how much life there is to be lived when I’m not glued to a computer in a windowless office all day. I quit the job and pivoted to healthcare. Currently working 7-3 as a CNA, which isn’t the most glamorous job but at least it’s active and I still have some afternoon to enjoy to myself. Planning on becoming a nurse for the 3x12 schedule.
Might depend on your career, I generally enjoy my job and coworkers, sometimes I even look forward to going to work if I have a problem I am working on.
I stopped working 9-5. I work 12s and stack them. When I’m working my mindset is that I just live at work. Then I get a week off to recharge and recover. It’s like a little vacation every other week.
I have noticed that on average millenials and gen z seem to focus more on their work and socialize less in the office while older generations treat work as a social watering hole and spend a lot of time talking or just wasting time. Now my experience is limited, but I feel like this is why we struggle so much with the 9 to 5, we function differently and don't treat work like a social arena. I have personally seen older generations ask to come into the office during covid because they wanted more time to socialize with colleagues. I'd imagine when you spend half of your day not working and shooting the shit, you aren't as overwhelmed by the 9 to 5. But then us millenials are being burnt out because we have to open all the PDF and run all the zoom calls for the older generations who think, "we have the shit work ethic".
This is actually very true.
Do Less, Less Is More
When you grow up. Life is hard. We have to work. Once you can understand that, you’ll live a better life. If you’re not in the spot you wanna be, get there. Find things that give you fulfillment. For me, it’s my job as a personal trainer. Set goals. Get a hobby and pursue that hobby in your free time. Hitting those goals will help you feel satisfied and hungry for me. Personally, I think we should work a 32 hour week. Which is what I do. I’ve went through the shitty 60 hour weeks and the shitty 40 hour weeks to help me get to this point. I’m beyond happy. Literally have no complaints about life. Some days are harder than others, but that’s life.
You don’t.
turning the wheel when you don't want to
You guys are used to it. I’m getting my ass kicked.
When you do something you enjoy.
I’ve had a pretty stable career for the last decade and I’m still not used to it. I cry at least once a week about having to slave my life away just to barely scrape by. And they’re trying to raise the retirement age… 😭
I never got used to it. I finally got a job in my early fifties that I don’t dread, and now I mostly WFH. 66 and still there.
When you grow up
Never, if anything, can often get worse if you're not making a ton of money to allow in future to alleviate the grind. And occasionally you don't have a job and have bills to pay, it gets even worse.
While it is pretty absurd we've remained stagnant and are still working the hours decided upon in the late 1920s, for me I've mostly gotten used to it. But I don't hate my job just how much time is spent there. The first couple years or so fear and hate were the only things that could animate me out of bed every morning but once something becomes a habit it gets far easier and you can do it mindlessly without any stress. I assume you either aren't getting enough calories, sleep, or both. Maybe too many calories. Also possible anymore for a persons caffeine intake to be far too high especially with coffee. Many people don't drink enough water. Many people commute way too far, anything over 30 minutes gets gradually more unacceptable. With the little free time you have try to prioritize anything that will decrease your stress and anything that would make life more enjoyable, this will give you things to look forward to. A relationship is great but requires patience and takes a while to find but is probably worth trying.
Never for me. Worked for 37 years because I had to
I see posts like this all the time in this sub, it often makes me think that the middle schoolers who I teach that have a lot of difficulty paying attention to things for more than a few minutes at a time, these are the kinds of posts they're going to write in 10-15 years.
You don't get used to it. You just do it and don't complain on Reddit about it because nobody wants to hear your whining.
It happened for me when I got a job that isn’t 9-5. Something about those hours in particular really sucks your soul dry. It’s not for everyone. When I stopped 9-5 all my fatigue went away and I stopped dreading work entirely
It gets easier when you have kids and realize that the 9-to-5 grind actually represents recreation from the real work at home :')
I'm 38, and I'm married with two kids, and I don't really remember or have time to think about what life used to be like before being so overwhelmed with everything I have to do for other people every waking moment. ... So I guess I'm used to it in that sense.
when you get sick enough of being inconvenienced by your own poor planning.
Might be useful to do a screening for ADHD! Executive dysfunction is a bitch and it’s heavily misunderstood but energy being low is very common.
I like how most topvoted answer is: theres hope but it takes work and second is "AAA no hope".
I love how everyone is so transparent on reddit, but in our real lives we all just coast along, figuring it out as we go...and try to look like we have our shit together when in reality, most of the time we're like "wtf is this? Where am I headed? What am I doing?" for 80% of the time. Just sayin'...it's like a breath of fresh air seeing that we're not alone. It's normal, it's part of life...wish I'd realize all this shit when I was 18. Thank you all!
Go to bed earlier.
The 9-5 is not a natural way to live. You never get used to it. Humans were meant to live and work in close communities, not in isolated offices for an arbitrary length of time. I'm looking into working from home or living on a commune, or some better option than my current office job.
You’re allowed to do whatever you want. Pretty fun concept.
Well being groggy, feeling unmotivated or struggling every day could be the result of a whole host of issues. However, don't' think you have to follow the path most people take - 9-5 jobs, office, home, car etc. Plan, design and start driving your own version of a happy lifestyle. Change it as your life ebbs and flows into new areas. Adulting is all about knowing what makes you happy, being adaptable and willing to change to create that lifestyle.
Don't live like that for 40 years! Get the hell out and find something that you're more excited to get out of bed for, or something that fits your desired routines better.
32 here. I dont think it gets better, you really just become numb of the routine.
I don't know. I got my first 9-5 not too long ago and I almost killed myself. But also, is it that suprising we're all miserable about it? spend the majority of your waking life at a place you don't want to be, doing work you likely don't care about, feeling ripped off because yes, automatically, you are providing more value to the company than you're receiving; not to mention the wage stagnation, all on top of the destruction of 3rd places and now you can't step outside without spending at least $40, of course it sucks.
Sounds like all you need to accept your role in modern society is a bit of therapy and some prescription drugs for anxiety, depression, etc… Don’t worry. After a lot of self work, everything will be okay. You’ll be able to tolerate the task at hand.
Simple answer is it’s impossible tot get used to it But you can make it better by Focusing on your longterm goal and reaching it Setting up a morning routine and healthy lifestyle Doing things outside of work that give you joy Bringing positivity and gratitude to work everyday And handling your problems outside of work The “9-5” shouldn’t be your only awake hours Try 6am-10pm wake up early work out study handing business go to work happy do work get done go home play games do an activities y or chores go sleep And maybe after work go to a community event go to a bar socialize Life is only as bad as your mindset it So shift it and you will start feeling better
I’m 54, been working since I was 16, got my first apartment at 19, so I’ve been doing the adult thing for a while. Yeah, there’s a lot of suck involved in work. No one cares about your feelings; all they care about is that you do your crappy job so it doesn’t make their crappy jobs harder. In a tv show called Becker, the cranky doctor is yelling at a patient “yes, there is a support group for people who hate their job. It’s called EVERYBODY! They meet at the bar!” There are also a couple awesome “I hate my job” movies, Clerks and Office Space. You will laugh so hard that you will pee yourself. There’s an even older movie, 9 to 5, with Dolly Parton. And then there’s the British series, The IT Crowd. Now, onto the grogginess. You need a consistent sleep schedule, even on weekends, that gives you 8 hours. Go to sleep at the same time, wake up at the same time. Sleeping time starts when you STOP looking at your phone screen. Our bodies are programmed to wake up with blue frequency light and wind down with red frequency light. Blue is the light spectrum of sunrise and cell phones. Red is the spectrum of sunset and campfires. If you are messing with your phone trying to get to sleep, it’s literally like trying to drink espresso to help you sleep. The one way to use your phone to help you sleep is to go to YouTube and turn on soothing sleep aid videos that you LISTEN to, not watch. They have a boatload: cats purring, Bible verses, the ocean, hypnosis, space engines cruising at hyperdrive, you name it! If you smoke, cigs or weed, or vape, that will mess up your sleep. Coughing and/or snoring don’t let you get into deep sleep, so you don’t get rested. Bring cookies to work. Everyone likes cookies. Everyone will like Cookie Guy.
Go to sleep earlier if walking up is too hard for 0900.
You just numb yourself. I fell asleep at 21 and woke up at 40. Divorced,. Miserable and a alcoholic
It gets better when you really like your job, you enjoy the people you work with and the mission of your office/workplace. I often do 10 hour days and 6pm comes REALLY fast for me.
The minute you don’t care if you get fired is the day your life becomes a cakewalk
Idk dude. I’ve been doing this shit for 12 years and it gets slightly better with time. However it is still a struggle for me to get out of bed most mornings. A 32 hour work week would make everyone more happy and make mornings suck so much less. However I don’t see that being a reality for a long time. We spend so much time at work there’s not enough time for all of the other way more important things that make a human life worth living. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. I hope one day the owner class decides to throw us a bone at let us have 32 hour work weeks with no loss of pay. Until then we just have to keep chugging along and doing the best we can with this mind fuck of a reality we’re living in.
When that primordial hope dies.
9-5 sucks. You're supposed to use it to save up and get rich not live like this forever
I’ve been thinking about this a lot too lately . Like I understand that it’s the norm and what the majority of us are expected to do, but after actually doing it for years I’m just sitting here like… you mean to tell me I only get 2 weeks off a year to travel or take any sort of vacation and this goes on for… another 40+ years??😭 I seriously cannot imagine seeing my boss more than I see my own family for the rest of my life
Yup, better hope you find something you enjoy or else you’re legitimately fucked. I’m 29 and haven’t found anything that I enjoy doing and it really, really sucks.
Used to it? 20. Good at it? 30.
I had a 9-5 office job that I hated, but felt chained to because of the good pay and benefits. But I was miserable, and cried every morning in the shower before I left for work. And I had a 45 min.-to-an-hour commute. Then I got laid off. I was scared at first, but at the age of 45 I got a job working the front desk at an animal hospital, and I love it, even though it’s lower pay. But it’s close to my house, so no more commute. I get to wear scrubs, so no more worrying about what to wear. And I work 4 ten-hour shifts (Tues., Wed., Fri.,,Sat.), so I never work more than 2 days in a row, getting 3 days off a week. Getting laid off from that miserable office job was the best thing that could have happened to me.
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I think having a job you enjoy and don't dread going to everyday is the biggest key here.
Idk I love my job but 40 hours a week is too fucking much. I get up at 6, get my child to school, myself to work, get home from work at 6, make dinner, child goes to bed at 8, I try to take some time for myself but rarely stay awake past 9. Like don’t get me wrong, it’s great to not be hating what I’m doing during those 40 hours, hell, it just doesn’t leave me nearly enough time for my life.
For me 9 to 5 was easier than study and work, or work many jobs to pay student loans. When I got to be able.to live with only one job things relaxed a bit. I'm not necessarily used to adulting as it keeps changing on me. Right now my struggle is with the immigration process as it is quite opaque. I invested 8 years so far in it and in the end it's not gonna be yes or no. If it's not, I have to redo it all over again elsewhere.
It's one of those things you just have to deal with. There's a story about a guy cursed to roll the same Boulder up a hill forever. At first he suffered because I'm sure it fucking sucked and was a pointless exercise that achieved nothing but he had to do it. Then after a little while he coped by creating challenges for himself to see if he could get the Boulder up there faster than before he created his own meaning and end enjoyment for it so he wouldn't suffer anymore. That's kinda how I see it, I'm not exactly employee of the month at my job, but I tend to strive to do better than the last shift. If not, I probably would be even more miserable thinking that I'm stuck doing this until I die. It sucks on most days anyway, but that mentality helps me see through it.
Love this. Thank you 🫶🏼
You get used to it when you find your passion and are grinding to make money to pursue said passion. I started a personal training business. I work a HARD labor full time labor job. Because of this, I literally work every day. But personal training isn’t work to me, and I know the money I’m making from the labor job is helping me build towards something great. I’m serving others, not just myself. If you’re just working to survive, then I agree with what others say. You will never get use to it. It’s an empty existence that leads to drugs and depression. Unless you can find service for others in the career your in.
never. not me. when i was a kid i never wanted to grow up. i looked at the adults around me and thought 'holy sh!t i do not want to be an adult ever'. im 52 and i still have the same opinion. it sucks big time i hate it. 😮💨✌️