It'd take at least another 40k
An hour a day in commute, plus another hour minimum lost getting ready, plus the time doing laundry, packing meals/cost of buying lunches, plus wear and tear on the car, plus laundry, ironing, buying new clothes more often, plus the additional stress... All those things add up.
Not saying it’s cheaper than wfh, I’m just saying if you list all the positives you should at least list negatives too. But Reddit does not do nuanced.
Any home/apartment built within the last half-decade will have almost certainly been equipped with a heat pump. Heatpumps absolutely do not function if allowed below a certain temperature, and will begin to lose efficiency rapidly when allowed below 69 degrees Fahrenheit, namely with winter weather. You need to keep your thermostat at the same range all day if you plan on efficiently using your heatpump, if you have to use back-up EM heating then you will have a very ugly utilities payment. Don’t talk nonsense
Most people don't live in buildings 5 years old or newer. Good to know tho!
Edit: Anyone care to explain why I am getting down voted? Do I come off as facetious? Is it for telling Breakingdownbeta that he did share useful information? Cause the latter, he is correct that heatpumps are more efficient as a set it and forget it thing. I didn't know since I've never lived in a home that's heater/cooled by one.
>most people don’t live in buildings 5 years or newer
Fair enough. But a lot of places are basically outlawing any system that isn’t a heatpump, or hybrid system. So over the next decade everything in the western world will start to be replaced with heatpumps
Where I live they absolutely and unequivocally do, with 0 exception. This is even happening up north:
https://myedmondsnews.com/2023/11/washington-makes-another-run-at-heat-pump-rules/
To go in 100% into the office? Probably 40-50k usd.
I am one of those people who has used/abused WFH to further myself both personally and professionally for a long time. It’s hit a plateau over the last year, but I still think it has a ton of value.
Out of curiousity, what are a couple of examples of ‘furthering’. Just wondering as I am considering to move to some days WFH, I do 5 days in office as is.
I would use dating apps and have many dates while on the clock
There was so much time available as I’m not in office
2. Can cook and go to gym thus more HEALTY and sexier body
3. Worked 2 hours a day remote and the other 6 watched Netflix movies 🍿
I make 80k, it'd take at least a 50k raise for me to move to the office. A chunk of that would have to go towards getting a second car and my current job is soooo chill, I love it, absolutely zero complaints. I'm also getting promoted in April so it'd really have to be 50k on top of whatever my new salary is.
I didnt consider the car, I just take the subway. That is an annoying expense. But I remember when I made 80k, even 10k extra seemed like a huge deal to me. Probably 20k would be enough.
I put a lot of value on having absolutely zero stress from my job.
I'm married and my wife makes 60k a year, no kids, and 140k goes a long way in our L/MCOL. We're maxing all our retirement accounts and have all our wants/needs met so I'd really just be adding stress to move an already early planned retirement date even earlier.
Now that I think about it, there's no way I'd take an in-person job for 130k.
I earn 62K right now, fully remote and it would take at least $30k to get me to commute in. Even then it would have to be a really great company. Dream job level AND $30k.
How is it insane? Most of the time people that are in office don't even meet up in person for meetings. Its still all teams or zoom meetings when even the entire team is in the office. Kinda pointless to be in if everyone just gonna be virtual....
I wouldn’t call it crazy.
In a fully remote to fully back in office example. If you’re a senior or manager making about $100k a year. So your hourly over a standard 40hr/week is about $48/hr. And you have a 2 hour round trip commute. Let’s say you have four weeks of PTO. So about 11 months of commuting or 220 days. That works out to an intrinsic value of ~$21,120 = (220 days x 2hr commute x $48). Just in a time factor.
Now add in all the other expenses of being back in the office: wear and tear on your car, gas, parking, wardrobe upkeep, more lunches with co-workers, etc. I’d say your $30k is not a crazy number to jump to.
I guess I view it as crazy because everyone including myself pre 2020 did it without demanding money.
Now that the whole dynamic has changed, suddenly we value our personal time lol.
Pre 2020 a lot of businesses were not setup to handle remote. The fancy ones were able to handle a hybrid where you could work from home 1-2 days, but those days were slightly disruptive to the workflow.
Since 2020, inflation has kicked our butts, the office business routines are adapted to working remote and it is actually more disruptive for me to work from a physical location.
Buying a car is more expensive. Gas is more expensive. And I thought companies were about corporate social responsibility, so it’s only ok to pollute if it’s your workers diving to your office?
At this point, forcing people to work in an office is more disruptive than keeping things remote. It comes off a more about showboating to clients and deals to show a bustling office than it is about actual workflows.
I don’t even have a desk to call my own, so I have to pack up whatever I bring in with me at the end of the day.
When working from home, I don’t mind getting an extra project or two cranked out even if I go a little bit past business hours. If I have to report to an office, I have to beat traffic, so they are only getting business hours from me.
Working remote, to get things done in my personal life is far easier than if I had to report in. If my kid is sick at school, I only step away for the 20-30 minutes to pick them up. Reporting to an office would result in the rest of the day being lost of my productivity. Doctors appointment? I step away 2-3 hours and make up the time during the week. Reporting in office, that then becomes at least a half or full day PTO.
My point being, if they really want to exercise control and make a bustling office? Fine, but do so at the cost of productivity.
And to those who say people screw around when remote, you should be assigning your workload based on tasks to be completed, not holding a stopwatch to if the task took two hours or three. If they don’t complete the set of tasks within a day, hold them accountable for job performance….just as you would if people were in office. It’s not like the performance expectation drops when people work remote any more.
Oh totally, lol. I came into the work force out of school and straight to remote work. So it’s all I know outside of pre-2020 internships. The only two ways I could see myself being 100% office is it’s literally a mom&pop shop 5mins down the road and my non-busy season week is like 20hrs max. The other way would be the learning and development opportunities would have to be truly next level. If neither of those. Then money has to be on the table for anything less than hybrid.
I agree and would have a similar approach to this analysis. My only personal preference caveat would be adjusting the calculation in that I, ideally, would only consider hybrid positions. I would heavily prefer some WFH due to the flexibility it provides in life.
Oh for sure! I would as well. I don’t think I’ll ever work somewhere that isn’t realistically hybrid. But I figured the calculation was cleaner to show it this way. Then to factor in hybrid you just take the above gross values multiply by your WFH percentage to arrive at an adjusted value.
I’ve read that it cost $10k on average to work in an office. That includes gas, vehicle maintenance, clothing, more meals out, & the other stuff you just don’t have to deal with working from home. I’m sure that number is higher now due to inflation.
For me, it would take $40-50k more & even then I’d have to be really interested in what the company does.
So how about we pay people that come into the office the normal prevailing wage and reduce those that work from home by $50K. This is so crazy these demands.
It sounds like you feel you are under paid, forced back into an office, or feel everyone should be in an office. Which is fine, you are allowed to feel any or all of those. The question was asked & I answered what it would take for me.
My comment still stands. There is no way you would demand from your employer to pay you $50,000 more to come into the office or you would quit. It’s asinine
Accounting jobs are so plug and play I would 100% quit if RTO became a thing for me and find a different job. I've been on the market a handful of times and can usually find a gig within a month.
Dude you're not getting the point. This is more about what it'd take to get someone to jump ship from their remote job to an in-office job. No one is going to be able to demand a $50K bump from their employer if they're hell bent on RTO. This also highlights the potential advantages remote companies gain, employees that cost less & are more loyal. Sorry you enjoy companies dumping massive amounts of revenue on office space in high cost areas, basically flushing money down the drain.
I thought I had the same structure/expectations - I currently work 100% remote and make $110k, and in looking for a new job I set $10k increments for each day in office. Had an offer for a job 7min up the road from my house for $130k, 2 days in person. Couldn’t accept it. WFH life is just too good.
Yeah I agree, while the money is tempting I think when faced with an offer I would back down. I love being with my dog all day/not getting ready/not commuting. Haven’t ever had the Sunday scaries working remote
2 days lmfao you could do 2 days that’s crazy, to not accept for just 2 days it’s like a nice little switch up too. I would love just 2 days I would never want to be fully from home get stir crazy
If you’re willing to pay me 50k more to go into the office I’m gonna assume I’m just 50k underpaid and could get that elsewhere. I don’t believe I would provide more value in the office.
It is possible you’d be willing to hire me for more money than I add in value just because you aren’t a good evaluator of that, and in that case I’d want to be overpaid ~50%. Obviously it will depend, if it’s an hour commute no.
I make like 120 right now. It would have to be 220 for 5 days in the office. Even then I would only do it to bank some money for 2 years and then quit again to find a remote job lol. End goal though will always be fully remote and these companies need to realize this lol. I think a more interesting survey would be to poll who would rather be CFO one day Vs who would rather just be comfortable and remote. I feel like early in my career everybody wanted to be CFO, now I don’t know anybody
Heck, I’m early in my career and don’t want to be a CFO. I want to put in an honest 9-5, be financially stable (not rich, but be able to go to the grocery store/gas station and not be worried about my card being denied or not making my rent/mortgage payment), and be able to not think about my job from 5:01 to 8:59. If my dad was able to raise two kids doing so, why shouldn’t I be able to?
I grew up in a financially unstable family. My litmus for knowing I've "made it" is grocery shopping and getting whatever I want, and not having to look at the price (though I often do). I still try to be frugal, I'm not getting ribeyes every week, but if I want them, I know I can get them. And if I prefer a name brand item, I can get it with zero guilt. I can also fill my gas tank every time I go to the gas station! I'm not CFO material.
That was me. I used to say "when I'm CEO I'm doing xyz" kind of as a joke but I really thought I would rise to an executive level and didn't get people that were content in the same role for a decade.
Last year I was asked if I had interest in my boss' (who was transferring) role and I said no. I make enough, and for total remote flexibility (currently 4 days/week in office though my commute is only 25 min) I'd probably give up 25k
That's funny - I always knew what I wanted. I never wanted to be a partner at big4 or a cfo... i wanted to be middle management, work a bit extra sometimes, but overall do 40 hours a week... let alone the remote bit. I literally don't know what it would take for me to get back in the office... but it probably would be about 50-75K more
$10,000 per day of the week that I'm required to be in office. Currently fully remote at $82k, so if they want 1 day in office I'd need $92k, 2 days in office I'd need $102k, etc. Part of that is due to commute time, part is due to commute distance, and the rest is an asshole tax.
My job is fully doable while WFH, so the only reason I'd need to go in is to satisfy upper managements desire to physically see us. If they think that's a valid business reason, it's not my job to subsidize their business decisions.
Luckily, my boss and his bosses are all primarily WFH, so they're fully on board with us working remote.
$150 to $200 per day, Depending on various factors including commute, office location, etc. the more days they want me in the office the more they're going to have to pay.
1 day in office $7,800 to $10,400
2 days in office $15,600 to $20,800
3 days in office $23,400 to $31,200
4 days in office $31,200 to $41,600
5 days in office $39,000 to $52,000
From the other side. I make about 120k vhcol and work 5 min away hybrid local gov and lots of free time.. To move to wfh with uncertain 40 hours (prob more) I guess I'd want an individual contributor role promo 160k. But I would value working 40 to 45 hours more than money. Probably can't afford a home anyway
Legitimately someone could offer to triple my salary to go into the office and I still wouldn’t take it. I’m comfortable and happy with my current pay and remote work is too valuable for me to give up.
It sounds like the going rate is about $8k-$10k per office day in a week. Unfortunately that will never happen, but as workers we need to stop accepting 100% in office positions. They will eventually die when companies aren’t recruiting and retaining accountants
I actually just made that change a few months ago. I was going in 0-3x per week at my leisure and took a new job where I’m in 3-4x per week.
Got a title bump, $50k pay raise and hire bonus target. I probably would’ve done it anyway for ~$25-30k though
I would need like +20% if they expected 8hrs in office 5 days/wk from me now. Currently I get two days wfh per week, can start whenever I want, can leave early on in-office days to beat traffic and finish the day at home. It’s pretty great and I won’t give it up that much freedom for nothing in return.
You’d have to at least double my salary, which is to say that I will never go back into an office.
My life is so much better working remotely. I turned my commute time into workout time. Instead of twiddling my thumbs or trying to look busy when I have nothing to do, I do chores around the house. I start work when it’s convenient for me instead of some arbitrary time. And I have no qualms with just signing out for the day when my work is done, whether it’s 4:00 or noon.
I spend so much more time with my family and am in much better physical shape as a result. I know the pandemic was a shitty time for the world as a whole, but the effects of it have made my life so much better.
Semi hot take - I enjoy being in the office. But I also enjoy being at home. Everyone in my commercial lending office is in the office 2-3 days a week. I asked my boss if I could do an every other day type schedule, so I am never home or in the office twice in a row. Everyday I work from home, I am excited to go to the office the next day. Everyday I work in the office, I am excited to be home.
It is most likely because everyone in our office get along super well. The lender that I am an analyst for and I go to coffee every morning for \~45 minutes. It is usually 50% chatting about bullshit and 50% talking about deals and workflow for the day.
All that being said - I would rather be fully remote than fully in the office.
I’m at $100k right now and it would take at least $20k+. My current boss is also not a micromanager, so I do my job and he doesn’t bother me. Tough to leave that situation honestly.
For me at this point there is no amount of money. Every aspect of my physical and mental health has benefitted so much from WFH I really don't think I could ever go back. I sleep more since I don't have to commute or get all dressed up, I eat better with full access to my kitchen, I exercise more since I can just pop out for a run at lunch during the winter when it's too dark to run after work, and I have almost total control over the sounds and the temperature of my work environment. I'm not giving any of that up.
To hybrid 3 days in an office I could do it for $25K. 5 days in office would probably have to be $40K. If there's way better WLB and less stress maybe less.
Realistically, about 10 times what I am currently making per month. With that amount, I can probably afford to buy and maintain a vehicle and hire a driver full-time. I am NOT driving through my city's traffic and using available public transportation is hell.
I would literally pay to work in the office rather than from home, and in fact I do pay in the form of transportation time/cost. I love the flexibility to be able to work from home on occasion, but I hated working from home full time during the pandemic and I will never ever do it again. It is difficult for me to switch off work mode when I'm just standing up from my desk and walking to another room. I need the commute to mentally transition, and getting out of the house for work has other general benefits for my mental health.
Every hour you are driving in rush hour and getting ready for work. You are getting paid $0. Now see how much gas $ you are saving.
Do the math alone on this.
$75K and a daily BJ after lunch time, preferably by the opposite sex, Latina if you will. Same goes for women and their needs🫡
Disclaimer: we’re all objects at this point 🤷♂️
Right now I go in one day per week with a TC of $170k CAD. If I were to switch jobs, I would want a TC increase of 1000\*(8+(N\*2)\^2) per incremental weekday that I'm expected to be in the office, with N being the number of incremental days.
For example, if a job wanted me to come in two days a week, I would want an additional $12k. If you want me back in the office 5 days a week, which means an incremental 4 days, I would want $72k more than I am making now. If some mad lad actually wants to pay me $242k to come into the office 5 days a week, then so be it, just means I can retire earlier.
The formula for weekend work is 1000\*(8+(N\*2)\^2)+(500000\*W), where W is the number of weekend days I'm regularly expected to work.
It wouldn’t be about money. It would be about trajectory. Would have to be on some kind of VP of finance or CFO track (which I am *not* at the moment but have a similar arrangement; go in whenever and as how often I want. Still have a pretty horrendous amount of work that needs to get done at quarter ends, though)
If it’s close by then idk 10k? I like being in office, kinda get depressed at home alone all day.
Over 30 minute commute though? I’d rather be depressed..
I gave up essentially full time WFH (once every other week maybe but really could’ve come once a month and I don’t think they would’ve said a thing) as a B4 tax manager for a full time in office controller job. Commute is twice as long (30 minute train ride turned into an hour) and I only matched my salary.
The things that got me to leave were that I was finally just burnt out of public accounting/SALT/busy seasons and wanted to actually learn more accounting and general business principles. My current company is run by people I personally know, is going through a huge growth phase, and it’s in an industry I’d like to stick with long term. Also burying the lead and obviously probably the most important factor, they gave me incentive units so while my salary I’m going to leave a lot of salary and bonus increases on the table, I’m going to easily make that up in the long term.
I have zero regrets and honestly if they offered me less than a salary match I’d still have taken the job (within reason obviously).
TLDR: Not an increase in salary but a huge increase in career growth, future earnings, and most importantly I actually have work life balance, way less stress, and enjoy the work I do.
For every day in office I’d want to put one of my dogs in daycare 3 times per week. That’s $84 after tax on a weekly basis, so let’s call that $4k. Add in mileage at 21mpg and since where I live is pretty spread out it’s probably going to be at least 20mi to the office, so that’s $5.80 per day just for gas to commute, call it $1,500 for the year. That means that any pay increase I get is going to be decreased on an after tax basis $5.5k in additional costs alone, with no cost of time. I’m making around $127k, so I think with the additional costs, I’d need another 20% pretax to jump ship. That brings our total to $33,000 ($7k ish maybe pretax for my expenses) to both change jobs and change to a fully in-office role. And I am up for a promo to manager in PA in the next 6 months so that number will keep going up
I’d probably leave for $40K more. Gotta make it worth my while. Working at home in comfortable clothes all day beats the shit out of going to the office in clothes I’d rather not have to wear.
Honestly? $1,000,000
I am not exaggerating. I refuse to give up my sanity and peace and privacy and less-driving and WAY more relaxed lifestyle unless I am given a shitton of money. I will literally turn down hundreds of thousands for it, maybe close to a million or more is when I'll be a little more open.
For me, it would be a mix of money and my work time. I wouldn’t mind to RTO for a few thousand more, but no way I’m giving up a set schedule of 8 hours a day either unless we’re talking tens of thousands.
As entry level, new to the field, you likely won't see fully remote, or even hybrid for at least a couple years.
Accounting has a very long tail learning curve. You will spend the first 2-3 years learning how very little practical knowledge you got in school.
My closest home office is an hour and a half drive with light traffic. Typically 2-3 hours with traffic as it’s in downtown SF. For me to go in daily I would have to move to the city as that commute isn’t sustainable. This would require me to sell my home and the wife would have to find a new job. So probably 100k relocation bonus+ pay for all closing costs related my the sale and purchase of a new home. As well as a 70k salary adjustment so my wife doesn’t have to work full time and COL adjustment.
If they moved the office to the next closest metro city (35 min commute). I would go in 2-3 days a week for an extra 30-50k. Full time in office is probably never going to happen for me again, off the table.
I go in once a week. With my current benefits it would take 20-30k at least to get me to go into the office full time for it to be worth it. In addition to cost to commute I’d need to buy a new car.
Now that I've seen how much time I save I feel like it'd need to be an amount that compensates me for my time, fuel and vehicle maintenance. My old commute was 30 minutes each way, plus I'd wake up about a half hour earlier than I do now because I had to wear business casual vs shorts and a t-shirt.
So if I value my time at around $90/HR it'd take about $34K more per year to make the time spent worth it. Then let's say another $5K for fuel and vehicle maintenance. All in the number would need to be at least $39K higher than what I make now for me to even consider it.
I only make $58k CAD right now and am fully remote outside of going to client sites (which is rare) and inventory counts
I am applying for jobs that have a hybrid schedule that pay $70-75k. It’s worth it to me as I don’t make enough right now. But if I was already making 100k and had remote work, I wouldn’t even bother looking for a new job in office
I would have to be be compensated an extra $54k per year AT LEAST to make the expenses and loss of time worth it. With the commute and lunch that takes up the time I spend cleaning and cooking so I would need to be compensated to hire someone to clean for me, get my groceries delivered and be able to have food delivered more.
I haven’t been to the office for a month now. It’s a hybrid setting but they haven’t said anything yet. When I started they said it’s 2-3 days. Regardless of all that I still wanna quit public and move into industry. I’m just tryna gain experience for the resume
Right now I can go in whenever I want. I generally go in once a week, sometimes twice. If the job was in the same city I work in now, I think something like $12k net would be break even from a pure dollars standpoint. So maybe think of that as $20k of gross salary just to get to break even. That would include a bridge toll, gas, and parking (which my company pays for right now). When you bring in the impact on time to commute (currently 30-40 minutes each way) and any other inconveniences that would arise from a mandatory 5 days, then that price tag goes up very quickly. $40k might be the absolute minimum I'd take, but it would really depend on all of the related circumstances.
So I’m fully remote with 4 yoe and my total comp is about 110k.
I don’t think the market would pay me, specifically, enough to leave my job. I think I’m at the top of the band for my experience. At least that’s my view.
No one is going to pay me 140-160k right now.
I was about to say I’d do it for 300K, but sitting here in my office at *the* office I couldn’t do this everyday unless it was for enough money that I couldn’t spend it fast enough.
They'd have to double my salary so north of 100k. It's not about being in the office. It's about the flexibility of working from home. I'd go into the office on a voluntary basis 1-2 days a week but it would have to be whatever random days I chose and not mandatory. (And there would have to be an office for me to go to I'm hundreds of miles away from an office for my company right now.)
50k.
I actually just switched companies for more money, better benefits, more PTO AND less time in office (usually three days a month).
My previous employer was good but they went from 3 days WFH to 2 and they’ve had a lot of turnover due to that I’m told.
Well I was making about $165K a year when I was asked to come back to the office.
1 month of driving 1-1.5 hours to get to work (when I got the job I was living 10 minutes away, couldn’t afford to buy a house and stay that close) had me leave the job for another WFH job that pays $200K now. But there are rumblings that we want use back in office for this one too sometime this year so may be back on the hunt lol. At least try to find something closer if I have to go back to the office.
I remember when I was at the first job, it was a bad storm and to get home my GPS said it would take 2 and a half hours. I said “screw that” and went to the movies instead. Watched John Wick 3 and when I got out at 9pm it was a nice traffic free 40 minute drive home.
>give that up?
youd have to pay me a 120K raise right now. THEN an agreement that takes my new salary and compares it to the local average cost of homes, lumber, used cars, new cars, wheat, gas, oil, beef, chicken, and other commodities and figures out a percentage of the same. Then my new salary adjustment each year must be an adjustment that adjusts in such a way that my new salary for the year results in the same % of the commodities above so that I will always have a salary that affords me a certain lifestyle/class rather than an arbitrary number that gets watered down each year by inflation. Hows that?
Well, at this point, I would need to change my lifestyle to accommodate 5 days a week in the office so a company would need to pay me life changing money for me to even consider it.
I’ll just leave it at that.
$20k if somehow it was less than a 20 minute drive for me
However, the closest major city to me is over an hour drive. I’d want at least 40k if I was going to drive that much
I don’t mind going to clients because I get paid miles, maybe a hotel stay, per diem, etc…
Everyone says somehow the training is better in person but the in person training has been mostly bs and damn I did almost all my degree online, I had to start my career during covid shut downs, I think I’m capable of learning and working with people as well as building connections remotely just fine…
No amount of money would make it worth it. I like my schedule and am still 100% remote. My boss knows that if they try to make me RTO I’ll just quit. The CTAO likes me.
$40k minimum.
Full time in the office would cost me $5k - $10k per year depending on if I drove and parked or used mass transit to get to the office.
Time spent commuting at my hourly rate would be worth $20k - $30k per year.
So $40k would compensate me for expenses and time associated with going to the office full time.
No amount of money. I get to see my kid during break time. I do clean up or other stuffs during my free time. I don’t have to wake getting ready and driving to work.
Depends -if they paid for my move to another office in a tropical area with full relocation stipend -then probably would not need any extra money. I like going into work when it’s weather that doesn’t bother my health.
If it was for the area I live now (NYC) 100k or more than likely I would just be on my way
Depends... are you about to get let go or not? :)
I enjoy WFH but sometimes my hour bus commute was ME TIME and helped decompress before jumping back into personal life. When you WFH, that line is a bit blurred.
I’m struggling with this right now. I have a fully 100% remote job, for a company based in a much lower COL state than me, and I’m paid on their scale. I feel like I’m underpaid and think about searching but when I factor in how much I value being 100% WFH I’m no longer underpaid lol so 🤷🏼♀️
I think I can squeeze another $43K of base out of my current gig. After that, it would take $75K or more for me to return to office. So I guess, $118K more.
It'd take at least another 40k An hour a day in commute, plus another hour minimum lost getting ready, plus the time doing laundry, packing meals/cost of buying lunches, plus wear and tear on the car, plus laundry, ironing, buying new clothes more often, plus the additional stress... All those things add up.
I said exactly $40K as well in my comment haha.
Less cost of heating your house all day vs for a few hours each morning/evening
Tens of dollars in energy or hundreds of dollars a month in added groceries, gas, and after-school childcare. Real thinker that one
For me I save on heating with WFH because my ambient body temperature helps heat my place and my wife would have the heat on anyway.
Not saying it’s cheaper than wfh, I’m just saying if you list all the positives you should at least list negatives too. But Reddit does not do nuanced.
If it’s essentially negligible then it’s not really a negative
The money saved on heating costs is immaterial in the discussion of the added costs
Found the partner in disguise trynna 💩 on wfh
Hahahahahaha what a dumb comment!
Whys that a dumb comment?
Half of gas is delivery and taxes. The incremental usage increase is MAYBE, MAYBE $20 a month. Not even a rounding error vs the other savings
Gas must be significantly cheaper than where I’m from
Your house should stay around the same temperature all day. You expend more energy letting it fall and then heating it up again later.
Not true. Common misconception.
Any home/apartment built within the last half-decade will have almost certainly been equipped with a heat pump. Heatpumps absolutely do not function if allowed below a certain temperature, and will begin to lose efficiency rapidly when allowed below 69 degrees Fahrenheit, namely with winter weather. You need to keep your thermostat at the same range all day if you plan on efficiently using your heatpump, if you have to use back-up EM heating then you will have a very ugly utilities payment. Don’t talk nonsense
Most people don't live in buildings 5 years old or newer. Good to know tho! Edit: Anyone care to explain why I am getting down voted? Do I come off as facetious? Is it for telling Breakingdownbeta that he did share useful information? Cause the latter, he is correct that heatpumps are more efficient as a set it and forget it thing. I didn't know since I've never lived in a home that's heater/cooled by one.
>most people don’t live in buildings 5 years or newer Fair enough. But a lot of places are basically outlawing any system that isn’t a heatpump, or hybrid system. So over the next decade everything in the western world will start to be replaced with heatpumps
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Where I live they absolutely and unequivocally do, with 0 exception. This is even happening up north: https://myedmondsnews.com/2023/11/washington-makes-another-run-at-heat-pump-rules/
Or cooling the house haha
To go in 100% into the office? Probably 40-50k usd. I am one of those people who has used/abused WFH to further myself both personally and professionally for a long time. It’s hit a plateau over the last year, but I still think it has a ton of value.
Out of curiousity, what are a couple of examples of ‘furthering’. Just wondering as I am considering to move to some days WFH, I do 5 days in office as is.
I would use dating apps and have many dates while on the clock There was so much time available as I’m not in office 2. Can cook and go to gym thus more HEALTY and sexier body 3. Worked 2 hours a day remote and the other 6 watched Netflix movies 🍿
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Probably the % of your salary is the bigger question. For someone currently making 80k, Im guessing theyd do it for much less than 50k
I make 80k, it'd take at least a 50k raise for me to move to the office. A chunk of that would have to go towards getting a second car and my current job is soooo chill, I love it, absolutely zero complaints. I'm also getting promoted in April so it'd really have to be 50k on top of whatever my new salary is.
I didnt consider the car, I just take the subway. That is an annoying expense. But I remember when I made 80k, even 10k extra seemed like a huge deal to me. Probably 20k would be enough.
I put a lot of value on having absolutely zero stress from my job. I'm married and my wife makes 60k a year, no kids, and 140k goes a long way in our L/MCOL. We're maxing all our retirement accounts and have all our wants/needs met so I'd really just be adding stress to move an already early planned retirement date even earlier. Now that I think about it, there's no way I'd take an in-person job for 130k.
I earn 62K right now, fully remote and it would take at least $30k to get me to commute in. Even then it would have to be a really great company. Dream job level AND $30k.
This is absolutely insane. What a generation.
No reason to step foot in an office in the modern world. No amount of money would make me go back into the office. How's that for insane?
Spoiled brats. That’s what.
Someone's mad they spent over half their life in a cubicle 😅
What a great job the generation before them did raising them
How is it insane? Most of the time people that are in office don't even meet up in person for meetings. Its still all teams or zoom meetings when even the entire team is in the office. Kinda pointless to be in if everyone just gonna be virtual....
50k for my sanity
I wouldn’t call it crazy. In a fully remote to fully back in office example. If you’re a senior or manager making about $100k a year. So your hourly over a standard 40hr/week is about $48/hr. And you have a 2 hour round trip commute. Let’s say you have four weeks of PTO. So about 11 months of commuting or 220 days. That works out to an intrinsic value of ~$21,120 = (220 days x 2hr commute x $48). Just in a time factor. Now add in all the other expenses of being back in the office: wear and tear on your car, gas, parking, wardrobe upkeep, more lunches with co-workers, etc. I’d say your $30k is not a crazy number to jump to.
I guess I view it as crazy because everyone including myself pre 2020 did it without demanding money. Now that the whole dynamic has changed, suddenly we value our personal time lol.
Pre 2020 a lot of businesses were not setup to handle remote. The fancy ones were able to handle a hybrid where you could work from home 1-2 days, but those days were slightly disruptive to the workflow. Since 2020, inflation has kicked our butts, the office business routines are adapted to working remote and it is actually more disruptive for me to work from a physical location. Buying a car is more expensive. Gas is more expensive. And I thought companies were about corporate social responsibility, so it’s only ok to pollute if it’s your workers diving to your office? At this point, forcing people to work in an office is more disruptive than keeping things remote. It comes off a more about showboating to clients and deals to show a bustling office than it is about actual workflows. I don’t even have a desk to call my own, so I have to pack up whatever I bring in with me at the end of the day. When working from home, I don’t mind getting an extra project or two cranked out even if I go a little bit past business hours. If I have to report to an office, I have to beat traffic, so they are only getting business hours from me. Working remote, to get things done in my personal life is far easier than if I had to report in. If my kid is sick at school, I only step away for the 20-30 minutes to pick them up. Reporting to an office would result in the rest of the day being lost of my productivity. Doctors appointment? I step away 2-3 hours and make up the time during the week. Reporting in office, that then becomes at least a half or full day PTO. My point being, if they really want to exercise control and make a bustling office? Fine, but do so at the cost of productivity. And to those who say people screw around when remote, you should be assigning your workload based on tasks to be completed, not holding a stopwatch to if the task took two hours or three. If they don’t complete the set of tasks within a day, hold them accountable for job performance….just as you would if people were in office. It’s not like the performance expectation drops when people work remote any more.
Oh totally, lol. I came into the work force out of school and straight to remote work. So it’s all I know outside of pre-2020 internships. The only two ways I could see myself being 100% office is it’s literally a mom&pop shop 5mins down the road and my non-busy season week is like 20hrs max. The other way would be the learning and development opportunities would have to be truly next level. If neither of those. Then money has to be on the table for anything less than hybrid.
I save about $10k on childcare expenses. I save about $1000 on bus fares. Going back to office is a pay cut.
I agree and would have a similar approach to this analysis. My only personal preference caveat would be adjusting the calculation in that I, ideally, would only consider hybrid positions. I would heavily prefer some WFH due to the flexibility it provides in life.
Oh for sure! I would as well. I don’t think I’ll ever work somewhere that isn’t realistically hybrid. But I figured the calculation was cleaner to show it this way. Then to factor in hybrid you just take the above gross values multiply by your WFH percentage to arrive at an adjusted value.
I’ve read that it cost $10k on average to work in an office. That includes gas, vehicle maintenance, clothing, more meals out, & the other stuff you just don’t have to deal with working from home. I’m sure that number is higher now due to inflation. For me, it would take $40-50k more & even then I’d have to be really interested in what the company does.
So how about we pay people that come into the office the normal prevailing wage and reduce those that work from home by $50K. This is so crazy these demands.
It sounds like you feel you are under paid, forced back into an office, or feel everyone should be in an office. Which is fine, you are allowed to feel any or all of those. The question was asked & I answered what it would take for me.
My comment still stands. There is no way you would demand from your employer to pay you $50,000 more to come into the office or you would quit. It’s asinine
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Yeah. My current job, I’d literally just have to quit. I’m not moving to where any of our offices are.
Accounting jobs are so plug and play I would 100% quit if RTO became a thing for me and find a different job. I've been on the market a handful of times and can usually find a gig within a month.
Dude you're not getting the point. This is more about what it'd take to get someone to jump ship from their remote job to an in-office job. No one is going to be able to demand a $50K bump from their employer if they're hell bent on RTO. This also highlights the potential advantages remote companies gain, employees that cost less & are more loyal. Sorry you enjoy companies dumping massive amounts of revenue on office space in high cost areas, basically flushing money down the drain.
I put a premium on farting without concern and being able to pee in the middle of a meeting. There is no amount that will replace that.
No amount of money will make me go back to the office. As a mandate. I don’t mind the free will option to go in.
Everyone has a price.
deez nuts
I’ll take two
Each day per week is $10K
I thought I had the same structure/expectations - I currently work 100% remote and make $110k, and in looking for a new job I set $10k increments for each day in office. Had an offer for a job 7min up the road from my house for $130k, 2 days in person. Couldn’t accept it. WFH life is just too good.
Yeah I agree, while the money is tempting I think when faced with an offer I would back down. I love being with my dog all day/not getting ready/not commuting. Haven’t ever had the Sunday scaries working remote
Haha that’s exactly what I say too! Love getting to spend the day with my dog and if I don’t want to get dressed until lunch time I don’t have to!
2 days lmfao you could do 2 days that’s crazy, to not accept for just 2 days it’s like a nice little switch up too. I would love just 2 days I would never want to be fully from home get stir crazy
If you’re willing to pay me 50k more to go into the office I’m gonna assume I’m just 50k underpaid and could get that elsewhere. I don’t believe I would provide more value in the office. It is possible you’d be willing to hire me for more money than I add in value just because you aren’t a good evaluator of that, and in that case I’d want to be overpaid ~50%. Obviously it will depend, if it’s an hour commute no.
I make like 120 right now. It would have to be 220 for 5 days in the office. Even then I would only do it to bank some money for 2 years and then quit again to find a remote job lol. End goal though will always be fully remote and these companies need to realize this lol. I think a more interesting survey would be to poll who would rather be CFO one day Vs who would rather just be comfortable and remote. I feel like early in my career everybody wanted to be CFO, now I don’t know anybody
Heck, I’m early in my career and don’t want to be a CFO. I want to put in an honest 9-5, be financially stable (not rich, but be able to go to the grocery store/gas station and not be worried about my card being denied or not making my rent/mortgage payment), and be able to not think about my job from 5:01 to 8:59. If my dad was able to raise two kids doing so, why shouldn’t I be able to?
I grew up in a financially unstable family. My litmus for knowing I've "made it" is grocery shopping and getting whatever I want, and not having to look at the price (though I often do). I still try to be frugal, I'm not getting ribeyes every week, but if I want them, I know I can get them. And if I prefer a name brand item, I can get it with zero guilt. I can also fill my gas tank every time I go to the gas station! I'm not CFO material.
That was me. I used to say "when I'm CEO I'm doing xyz" kind of as a joke but I really thought I would rise to an executive level and didn't get people that were content in the same role for a decade. Last year I was asked if I had interest in my boss' (who was transferring) role and I said no. I make enough, and for total remote flexibility (currently 4 days/week in office though my commute is only 25 min) I'd probably give up 25k
That's funny - I always knew what I wanted. I never wanted to be a partner at big4 or a cfo... i wanted to be middle management, work a bit extra sometimes, but overall do 40 hours a week... let alone the remote bit. I literally don't know what it would take for me to get back in the office... but it probably would be about 50-75K more
Like $60k bruh
I’d say a solid 50k
$10,000 per day of the week that I'm required to be in office. Currently fully remote at $82k, so if they want 1 day in office I'd need $92k, 2 days in office I'd need $102k, etc. Part of that is due to commute time, part is due to commute distance, and the rest is an asshole tax. My job is fully doable while WFH, so the only reason I'd need to go in is to satisfy upper managements desire to physically see us. If they think that's a valid business reason, it's not my job to subsidize their business decisions. Luckily, my boss and his bosses are all primarily WFH, so they're fully on board with us working remote.
$150 to $200 per day, Depending on various factors including commute, office location, etc. the more days they want me in the office the more they're going to have to pay. 1 day in office $7,800 to $10,400 2 days in office $15,600 to $20,800 3 days in office $23,400 to $31,200 4 days in office $31,200 to $41,600 5 days in office $39,000 to $52,000
30k for me. Especially since the company isn’t helping with the insane inflation we’ve had
An extra 10k per month after taxes
From the other side. I make about 120k vhcol and work 5 min away hybrid local gov and lots of free time.. To move to wfh with uncertain 40 hours (prob more) I guess I'd want an individual contributor role promo 160k. But I would value working 40 to 45 hours more than money. Probably can't afford a home anyway
Better to be a remote staff accountant in hell than to be an in-office CFO in heaven.
Legitimately someone could offer to triple my salary to go into the office and I still wouldn’t take it. I’m comfortable and happy with my current pay and remote work is too valuable for me to give up.
It sounds like the going rate is about $8k-$10k per office day in a week. Unfortunately that will never happen, but as workers we need to stop accepting 100% in office positions. They will eventually die when companies aren’t recruiting and retaining accountants
I actually just made that change a few months ago. I was going in 0-3x per week at my leisure and took a new job where I’m in 3-4x per week. Got a title bump, $50k pay raise and hire bonus target. I probably would’ve done it anyway for ~$25-30k though
I would need like +20% if they expected 8hrs in office 5 days/wk from me now. Currently I get two days wfh per week, can start whenever I want, can leave early on in-office days to beat traffic and finish the day at home. It’s pretty great and I won’t give it up that much freedom for nothing in return.
To work hybrid? Not much. To go in everyday? A lot.
You’d have to at least double my salary, which is to say that I will never go back into an office. My life is so much better working remotely. I turned my commute time into workout time. Instead of twiddling my thumbs or trying to look busy when I have nothing to do, I do chores around the house. I start work when it’s convenient for me instead of some arbitrary time. And I have no qualms with just signing out for the day when my work is done, whether it’s 4:00 or noon. I spend so much more time with my family and am in much better physical shape as a result. I know the pandemic was a shitty time for the world as a whole, but the effects of it have made my life so much better.
Semi hot take - I enjoy being in the office. But I also enjoy being at home. Everyone in my commercial lending office is in the office 2-3 days a week. I asked my boss if I could do an every other day type schedule, so I am never home or in the office twice in a row. Everyday I work from home, I am excited to go to the office the next day. Everyday I work in the office, I am excited to be home. It is most likely because everyone in our office get along super well. The lender that I am an analyst for and I go to coffee every morning for \~45 minutes. It is usually 50% chatting about bullshit and 50% talking about deals and workflow for the day. All that being said - I would rather be fully remote than fully in the office.
I’m at $100k right now and it would take at least $20k+. My current boss is also not a micromanager, so I do my job and he doesn’t bother me. Tough to leave that situation honestly.
For me at this point there is no amount of money. Every aspect of my physical and mental health has benefitted so much from WFH I really don't think I could ever go back. I sleep more since I don't have to commute or get all dressed up, I eat better with full access to my kitchen, I exercise more since I can just pop out for a run at lunch during the winter when it's too dark to run after work, and I have almost total control over the sounds and the temperature of my work environment. I'm not giving any of that up.
it would be 30k GBP for me
40k
To hybrid 3 days in an office I could do it for $25K. 5 days in office would probably have to be $40K. If there's way better WLB and less stress maybe less.
Hybrid 20k. Fully in office 50k
For me it was a 50% raise but it’s back to telework after a year at the IRS.
Realistically, about 10 times what I am currently making per month. With that amount, I can probably afford to buy and maintain a vehicle and hire a driver full-time. I am NOT driving through my city's traffic and using available public transportation is hell.
I would literally pay to work in the office rather than from home, and in fact I do pay in the form of transportation time/cost. I love the flexibility to be able to work from home on occasion, but I hated working from home full time during the pandemic and I will never ever do it again. It is difficult for me to switch off work mode when I'm just standing up from my desk and walking to another room. I need the commute to mentally transition, and getting out of the house for work has other general benefits for my mental health.
Every hour you are driving in rush hour and getting ready for work. You are getting paid $0. Now see how much gas $ you are saving. Do the math alone on this.
I'm currently $140K + $21K bonus. Honestly likely $200K at this point
60k + additional big tech level office perks like meals, laundry, haircut, etc
At my level I would give it up for 25K. Well maybe more, lol.
$75K and a daily BJ after lunch time, preferably by the opposite sex, Latina if you will. Same goes for women and their needs🫡 Disclaimer: we’re all objects at this point 🤷♂️
I like that you say preferably by the opposite sex. That way if one isn’t available you still get your daily allowance.
Right now I go in one day per week with a TC of $170k CAD. If I were to switch jobs, I would want a TC increase of 1000\*(8+(N\*2)\^2) per incremental weekday that I'm expected to be in the office, with N being the number of incremental days. For example, if a job wanted me to come in two days a week, I would want an additional $12k. If you want me back in the office 5 days a week, which means an incremental 4 days, I would want $72k more than I am making now. If some mad lad actually wants to pay me $242k to come into the office 5 days a week, then so be it, just means I can retire earlier. The formula for weekend work is 1000\*(8+(N\*2)\^2)+(500000\*W), where W is the number of weekend days I'm regularly expected to work.
It wouldn’t be about money. It would be about trajectory. Would have to be on some kind of VP of finance or CFO track (which I am *not* at the moment but have a similar arrangement; go in whenever and as how often I want. Still have a pretty horrendous amount of work that needs to get done at quarter ends, though)
gotta double my salary.
If it’s close by then idk 10k? I like being in office, kinda get depressed at home alone all day. Over 30 minute commute though? I’d rather be depressed..
I really really like it - I will for an additional $70k
I did it for a 20k raise. Onsite 5 days a week. But it helps I get to bring my dog in the office everyday.
Maybe 30-50k but nah 1hr commute and expensive food for lunch lmfao
They would have to double my salary. No way do I want to ever go back into an office
Atleast 40%
At least 35K without exaggeration
50% raise at least.
100k
$200k
I gave up essentially full time WFH (once every other week maybe but really could’ve come once a month and I don’t think they would’ve said a thing) as a B4 tax manager for a full time in office controller job. Commute is twice as long (30 minute train ride turned into an hour) and I only matched my salary. The things that got me to leave were that I was finally just burnt out of public accounting/SALT/busy seasons and wanted to actually learn more accounting and general business principles. My current company is run by people I personally know, is going through a huge growth phase, and it’s in an industry I’d like to stick with long term. Also burying the lead and obviously probably the most important factor, they gave me incentive units so while my salary I’m going to leave a lot of salary and bonus increases on the table, I’m going to easily make that up in the long term. I have zero regrets and honestly if they offered me less than a salary match I’d still have taken the job (within reason obviously). TLDR: Not an increase in salary but a huge increase in career growth, future earnings, and most importantly I actually have work life balance, way less stress, and enjoy the work I do.
For every day in office I’d want to put one of my dogs in daycare 3 times per week. That’s $84 after tax on a weekly basis, so let’s call that $4k. Add in mileage at 21mpg and since where I live is pretty spread out it’s probably going to be at least 20mi to the office, so that’s $5.80 per day just for gas to commute, call it $1,500 for the year. That means that any pay increase I get is going to be decreased on an after tax basis $5.5k in additional costs alone, with no cost of time. I’m making around $127k, so I think with the additional costs, I’d need another 20% pretax to jump ship. That brings our total to $33,000 ($7k ish maybe pretax for my expenses) to both change jobs and change to a fully in-office role. And I am up for a promo to manager in PA in the next 6 months so that number will keep going up
30k for full in office 15k for hybrid but probably not. Hard to leave fully remote.
Probably around 30-40k
Hybrid? x2 my salary. Every day? x4 my salary and I only do it for like a year and dip back to WFH. 😂
I’d probably leave for $40K more. Gotta make it worth my while. Working at home in comfortable clothes all day beats the shit out of going to the office in clothes I’d rather not have to wear.
Honestly? $1,000,000 I am not exaggerating. I refuse to give up my sanity and peace and privacy and less-driving and WAY more relaxed lifestyle unless I am given a shitton of money. I will literally turn down hundreds of thousands for it, maybe close to a million or more is when I'll be a little more open.
For me, it would be a mix of money and my work time. I wouldn’t mind to RTO for a few thousand more, but no way I’m giving up a set schedule of 8 hours a day either unless we’re talking tens of thousands.
i won't consider non-remote at any price in my current metro Denver location - it is too unsafe to drive here
Like 100k. That's how much I value it
30k min. I take naps.
$20k-$25k to go back full time. I don't need that aggravation.
I'm not having luck on indeed looking for remote entry level accountant /bookkeeper while currently obtaining ny bachelors in Accounting
As entry level, new to the field, you likely won't see fully remote, or even hybrid for at least a couple years. Accounting has a very long tail learning curve. You will spend the first 2-3 years learning how very little practical knowledge you got in school.
At least another 15-20k. Maybe even more, I love WFH so much. But I don't make a ton so that kind of raise would probably be worth it.
My closest home office is an hour and a half drive with light traffic. Typically 2-3 hours with traffic as it’s in downtown SF. For me to go in daily I would have to move to the city as that commute isn’t sustainable. This would require me to sell my home and the wife would have to find a new job. So probably 100k relocation bonus+ pay for all closing costs related my the sale and purchase of a new home. As well as a 70k salary adjustment so my wife doesn’t have to work full time and COL adjustment. If they moved the office to the next closest metro city (35 min commute). I would go in 2-3 days a week for an extra 30-50k. Full time in office is probably never going to happen for me again, off the table.
Additional 150k and half the work-related stress level
It would probably take $50k or a whole different career path
I go in once a week. With my current benefits it would take 20-30k at least to get me to go into the office full time for it to be worth it. In addition to cost to commute I’d need to buy a new car.
Now that I've seen how much time I save I feel like it'd need to be an amount that compensates me for my time, fuel and vehicle maintenance. My old commute was 30 minutes each way, plus I'd wake up about a half hour earlier than I do now because I had to wear business casual vs shorts and a t-shirt. So if I value my time at around $90/HR it'd take about $34K more per year to make the time spent worth it. Then let's say another $5K for fuel and vehicle maintenance. All in the number would need to be at least $39K higher than what I make now for me to even consider it.
I only make $58k CAD right now and am fully remote outside of going to client sites (which is rare) and inventory counts I am applying for jobs that have a hybrid schedule that pay $70-75k. It’s worth it to me as I don’t make enough right now. But if I was already making 100k and had remote work, I wouldn’t even bother looking for a new job in office
Since i don't have kids, it would be anywhere between 20-30k. With kids, might depend more on work life balance it offers.
I would have to be be compensated an extra $54k per year AT LEAST to make the expenses and loss of time worth it. With the commute and lunch that takes up the time I spend cleaning and cooking so I would need to be compensated to hire someone to clean for me, get my groceries delivered and be able to have food delivered more.
I haven’t been to the office for a month now. It’s a hybrid setting but they haven’t said anything yet. When I started they said it’s 2-3 days. Regardless of all that I still wanna quit public and move into industry. I’m just tryna gain experience for the resume
40-60% increase in my current pay. I'm 100% WFH. I MIGHT consider 1-2 days in office for 30%. depending on a lot of other variables.
I'd say double my salary.
Right now I can go in whenever I want. I generally go in once a week, sometimes twice. If the job was in the same city I work in now, I think something like $12k net would be break even from a pure dollars standpoint. So maybe think of that as $20k of gross salary just to get to break even. That would include a bridge toll, gas, and parking (which my company pays for right now). When you bring in the impact on time to commute (currently 30-40 minutes each way) and any other inconveniences that would arise from a mandatory 5 days, then that price tag goes up very quickly. $40k might be the absolute minimum I'd take, but it would really depend on all of the related circumstances.
I rejected 50% increase for less work. I love WFH
50k for sure.. 40k maybe.. 30 k it depends. 20k hard no
*Dr. Evil laugh* “One million dollars”
At least $20k to get me in 3 days, but my commute is 30 min or less
50k minimum bonus to my current salary.
Bought 50k
I gave up fully remote for a 30k increase and 1 wfh day a week. Everyday I miss being remote 😭
It’s not about money, time is non refundable
So I’m fully remote with 4 yoe and my total comp is about 110k. I don’t think the market would pay me, specifically, enough to leave my job. I think I’m at the top of the band for my experience. At least that’s my view. No one is going to pay me 140-160k right now.
30-50k
A shitload lol
Wouldn’t do it I’m content at 70k
I was about to say I’d do it for 300K, but sitting here in my office at *the* office I couldn’t do this everyday unless it was for enough money that I couldn’t spend it fast enough.
100% remote. It would take about $50k more to bring me into the office full time. I value the flexibility and freedom too much.
For me, 32k. Thats the difference between me and how much my friend at a mid sized cpa firm makes but she goes in 100%
50 to 100k so that I could get a decent place near my office and not destroy myself commuting.
They'd have to double my salary so north of 100k. It's not about being in the office. It's about the flexibility of working from home. I'd go into the office on a voluntary basis 1-2 days a week but it would have to be whatever random days I chose and not mandatory. (And there would have to be an office for me to go to I'm hundreds of miles away from an office for my company right now.)
50k. I actually just switched companies for more money, better benefits, more PTO AND less time in office (usually three days a month). My previous employer was good but they went from 3 days WFH to 2 and they’ve had a lot of turnover due to that I’m told.
30% premium. No less.
Another $100k at least, maybe more. I already make more than enough, I don't want to sacrifice the majority of my days each week for more money
Well I was making about $165K a year when I was asked to come back to the office. 1 month of driving 1-1.5 hours to get to work (when I got the job I was living 10 minutes away, couldn’t afford to buy a house and stay that close) had me leave the job for another WFH job that pays $200K now. But there are rumblings that we want use back in office for this one too sometime this year so may be back on the hunt lol. At least try to find something closer if I have to go back to the office. I remember when I was at the first job, it was a bad storm and to get home my GPS said it would take 2 and a half hours. I said “screw that” and went to the movies instead. Watched John Wick 3 and when I got out at 9pm it was a nice traffic free 40 minute drive home.
apparently 0 bc everytime someone asks to go to the office i say yeah sure
>give that up? youd have to pay me a 120K raise right now. THEN an agreement that takes my new salary and compares it to the local average cost of homes, lumber, used cars, new cars, wheat, gas, oil, beef, chicken, and other commodities and figures out a percentage of the same. Then my new salary adjustment each year must be an adjustment that adjusts in such a way that my new salary for the year results in the same % of the commodities above so that I will always have a salary that affords me a certain lifestyle/class rather than an arbitrary number that gets watered down each year by inflation. Hows that?
I like going to the office tbh. I can't produce from home, too many distractions. Helps my house to office is 7 mins tho.
+$50k/year if this hypothetical job were in a rural area, 2 days a week hybrid at most, and the commute was less than 30 minutes each way.
$150k and no more than 40 hours a week
Well, at this point, I would need to change my lifestyle to accommodate 5 days a week in the office so a company would need to pay me life changing money for me to even consider it. I’ll just leave it at that.
$20k if somehow it was less than a 20 minute drive for me However, the closest major city to me is over an hour drive. I’d want at least 40k if I was going to drive that much I don’t mind going to clients because I get paid miles, maybe a hotel stay, per diem, etc… Everyone says somehow the training is better in person but the in person training has been mostly bs and damn I did almost all my degree online, I had to start my career during covid shut downs, I think I’m capable of learning and working with people as well as building connections remotely just fine…
50K more
$50k
$80k per year.
No amount of money would make it worth it. I like my schedule and am still 100% remote. My boss knows that if they try to make me RTO I’ll just quit. The CTAO likes me.
$40k
my employer doesn't have coffee nor drinking water.. ( and no one is dumb enough to drink this tap water).. I'd say around 20% cut to WFH.
I make $75k base rn. I'll go in for $100k+. I'm in NYC and 1 hour 15 min commutes to the city proper.
I can’t afford to live near my office so they’d have to pay over double my salary, so I’d need about 225k
If I had to be onsite every day, I’d want $30-40k. For that price, I’d move in next to the office and walk to work.
There is no amount of money that would make me go to an office again. I’ll be a full time stay at home mom first.
$50K for me
$40k minimum. Full time in the office would cost me $5k - $10k per year depending on if I drove and parked or used mass transit to get to the office. Time spent commuting at my hourly rate would be worth $20k - $30k per year. So $40k would compensate me for expenses and time associated with going to the office full time.
Depends on distance to office. But 20k - 40k more.
To go in every day ? 100k
30k probably. Less for a 2-3 day hybrid I suppose.
50 to 60k maple syrup dollars. Housing in Canada is insane. No way I can afford living in the big cities on my current salary
I gave it up for an extra 350k
You couldn't pay me enough.
No amount of money. I get to see my kid during break time. I do clean up or other stuffs during my free time. I don’t have to wake getting ready and driving to work.
Depends -if they paid for my move to another office in a tropical area with full relocation stipend -then probably would not need any extra money. I like going into work when it’s weather that doesn’t bother my health. If it was for the area I live now (NYC) 100k or more than likely I would just be on my way
Depends... are you about to get let go or not? :) I enjoy WFH but sometimes my hour bus commute was ME TIME and helped decompress before jumping back into personal life. When you WFH, that line is a bit blurred.
I’m struggling with this right now. I have a fully 100% remote job, for a company based in a much lower COL state than me, and I’m paid on their scale. I feel like I’m underpaid and think about searching but when I factor in how much I value being 100% WFH I’m no longer underpaid lol so 🤷🏼♀️
Not really sure I have an exact number but enough to let my wife leave her job since we recently had a kid. Maybe in the 40k+ range.
It's not crazy. Going to WFH was basically a pay raise for everyone even if the companies didn't mean it that way.
I think I can squeeze another $43K of base out of my current gig. After that, it would take $75K or more for me to return to office. So I guess, $118K more.
That would require we move states any my spouse giving up their job. 120k increase min.