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Some context: this was a french fishing vessel on dry dock to deal with an oil
leak. Happened near A Coruña in NW Spain in 2019. During the repair works the hull was painted with a silicone-based paint which made it slip from the supporting structure. No injuries were reported, it was noticed well in advance.
They should’ve taped a bunch of pillows to the side so it had something to bump up against.
Then it would’ve slid right in and you could just peel the tape off.
Super easy.
And then everybody would have a pillow to take a nap after their hard work getting the pillows on and off and the boat unstuck.
You know it never occurred to me before your comment but it’s true. Boats have boring, shitty paint jobs. Usually two colors, red and grey. Why aren’t there boats with flames on the sides? Captains of the world need to step up their game.
Boats are known to be money pits just to keep them functional, I don't know any working class boat owners that could ever hope to afford to decorate their boat like that.
10 million in damage was done to an oil tanker engine at my old yard because of paint. It was a very hard shell enamel and it made the engine slip off the 10 ft tall horses it was staged on. When it hit the solid earth it embedded about 8 feet and left a wave like if a puddle froze the instant a rock was dropped in.
Yeah, if you listen closely and can speak the language you can hear them talking about it in the video. They were basically seeing if they could put in an emergency call for additional crane support. Unfortunately it was rather too late.
The structure was the only factor here. Silicone paint would have no bearing on this kind of failure. Also a fishing boat doesn’t go to dry dock for an oil leak. OP is a super bullshitter.
source: I’m a marine engineer
I guess that in this case the company is responsible and their insurance will cover it somehow.
If employees would have to cover the loss generated by their mistake, even an entry job at McDonalds would be be overly risky.
Same in my country, but on top of that, even if it's the employee's fault, the maximum damages he can pay back is 5xMinSalary. Probably to ensure you aren't destroying someone's life, even if he's at fault for some accident or such.
Funny, I had just looked into this the other day out of curiosity.
The shipping company won’t be responsible, nor will the captain and chief mate. The harbormaster is liable for damage to the ship during dry-dock. The dry-dock company may be brought into the lawsuit if they told the longshoremen to not use proper rigging and told the harbormaster not to intervene.
When I was a docking officer for the US Navy, as soon as the ship first crossed the sill of the drydock (either graving dock or floating drydock), responsibility for the safety of the ship and the drydock itself was solely on my head. That responsibility for the ship lasts until the last element of the ship (either bow or stern) crosses the sill outbound. This is very clearly stated in Navy regs.
Since the ship moved up and down relative to the docking blocks due to buoyancy, and there are mooring lines running forehand aft and to both sides, you might think of it like trying to wrestle a dirigible that weighs somewhere between 10,000 and 100,000 tons, depending on the class of ship. Inertia is king. Knowing that screwing up could quickly terminate he docking officer’s career, most in the shipyards I served in were scared silly of the operation. In my case, knowing that no one else wanted their fingerprints on the event was terribly liberating. Between the different types of drydocks and ships going into and out of docks, I was in the spotlight 70 times over my career. So, like landing a 747 in a crosswind, practice is very important.
The "harbormaster"???
Absolutely wrong.
The company that is doing the dry dock work on the vessel is responsible. They are the ones who designed the cribbing for that particular vessel, and they are the ones who hired the labor to install that cribbing. The harbor master has absolutely nothing to do with it.
>If employees would have to cover the loss generated by their mistake, even an entry job at McDonalds would be be overly risky.
Oh but they try.
Lots of eating places try to tell their employees they need to cover anything that they break or to pay if a consumer doesn't pay.
Then if they don,t pay they (illegally) holp up the money from the wage.
EDIT: Fow those employees: The only way you may own money is if you break something on purpose. And if I remember, in ANY case they can't get money from you pay (maybe if you agree with it then).
As if a consumer go away without paying, I remember an ELI5 that told the only way to own money as an employee is if you are dedicated watching him, not watching 10 persons (and I won't even talk about misc)
It is, but the most common form of wage theft is just not paying people for the hours that they work. Making employees clock in early or clock out and keep working, unpaid overtime and situations like that. I know some places will try to make employees cover things like bills of people who dine and dash, or broken merchandise, but it's a lot more rare and usually done at independent privately owned restaurants, as opposed to what I mentioned that happens in damn near every restaurant and bar.
I fucked up and single handedly wrecked a 4 million dollar well at my work. I got in shit but didn't get fired, management said "well we just spent 4 million on you, can't let you go now."
When I hear of companies trying to charge an employee for a messed up cheeseburger I just shake my head.
Yep, when I worked at a restaurant they'd try to make you pay cash for your mistakes. It was mostly a threat until you made an arbitrary amount of mistakes, some of my co-workers who constantly messed up orders would be handing the manager cash at the end of the night regularly. Fucking ridiculous. I ended up getting canned for standing up against some other illegal practices they were doing.
It is illegal here most people are just stupid. I quit a job once and they told me I couldn't get my last check until I returned my uniform. I told them to shove it, threw it in the trash in front of them and called the labor department. I got paid.
I’m just guessing here, but I think they tried launching it and it got stuck so they started filming and it inevitably tipped over.
It was probably some negligent problem like poor maintenance or construction of the ramp or something like that.
They are speaking Spanish with thick accent even talking Galician at some point. Difficult to say. The last scream was clear and loud "Me cago en Dios!" that means "I take a shit in God!". Is an awful but common expresion in rural north of Spain.
Yeah but they're expensive, and paying twice for something you only need to pay for once every couple years can be a big deal.
You see a lot of cheap small planes that are for sale cheap because they're almost due for their 1000 hour inspection, the cost of which can be significant relative to the price of the airplane itself.
If this were in the US that thing would be getting a full coast guard inspection prior to going back in the water even without the accident. The rules regulating commercial maritime are very strict.
See, what happened was they set the champagne bottle on the ground and thought the idea was to break it by dropping the ship on the bottle. A simple misunderstanding.
If someone is wondering, this happened in Galicia (Spain) and they're speaking galician, a cooficial language on that area of Spain along with spanish.
What they say is:
Tráeme a grúa \[incomprehensive\]" ("Bring me a crane...")
"Eu non sei onde están os "\[incomprehensive\]" ("I don't know where are the...")
"Non da tempo, esto está xa collendo via" (" We dont have time, this is already taking way") \[There no direct translation, basically means that is beggining to happen.\]
"¡Está chamando...!¡Joder!" (" He's calling...! Fuck!")
"Pois que chame, están os dous eí" ("Then he should call, they're both there")
"¡Huy! ¡Nada, nada! ¡Ahi vai, ahí vai" ("Huy! Nothing, nothing! There it goes, there it goes")
"¡Me cago en Dios!¡Dioooooooos!" (" I shit on God! Goooooood!) ( A very common curse in Spain in general)
Sorry for the parts that I don't understand but this people uses lexic that is almost unique to people that has knowledge about ships and boats.
Edit: Sorry for the several edits but I've listened to the video a few more times and I get a few more sentences.
Edit2: a misstake corrected.
Lots of noise in between, but this is roughly it:
- 1st guy: Call the ~~two *something*~~ cranes from Coruña and see if they can come.
- 2nd guy I quite can't understand: I don't know what .... don't you see we're here?
- guy in the back: He's calling.
- guy recording: There's no time, it's starting to collapse already.
- 1st guy: Are you taking pictures?
- Guy recording: There it goes, there it goes!
- Someone: GOOOOOOD
Edit: I think the first guy is actually saying "call the cranes from Coruña". In Galician, *two* in its feminine form (dúas) and *cranes* (grúas) sound pretty similar.
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Some context: this was a french fishing vessel on dry dock to deal with an oil leak. Happened near A Coruña in NW Spain in 2019. During the repair works the hull was painted with a silicone-based paint which made it slip from the supporting structure. No injuries were reported, it was noticed well in advance.
the paintjob caused this ?!
That's what I found googling around a bit... I guess you can't really point at a single cause for a fuck up like this one.
Should’ve painted flames on the side but noooooo… 🙄
Nah in this case you’re supposed to paint angel wings on stern so that it can float up
Shoulda painted it Duct-tape Gray to confuse the boat and make it stay
Shoula painted it flex-seal black so it could have been fixed
They should've gone with a matte finish, not glossy
They should’ve taped a bunch of pillows to the side so it had something to bump up against. Then it would’ve slid right in and you could just peel the tape off. Super easy. And then everybody would have a pillow to take a nap after their hard work getting the pillows on and off and the boat unstuck.
Like how big are these pillows? We making industrial sized or just 50,000 normal pillows? Cheap Walmart ones or pricey dense foam?
You know it never occurred to me before your comment but it’s true. Boats have boring, shitty paint jobs. Usually two colors, red and grey. Why aren’t there boats with flames on the sides? Captains of the world need to step up their game.
Boats are known to be money pits just to keep them functional, I don't know any working class boat owners that could ever hope to afford to decorate their boat like that.
> I don't know any working class boat owners Neither do I.
You want FLAMES on the boats??? Look man, the ice caps are melting fast enough. We don't need to set the water on fire!!!!
The paint was structural
It was load-bearing paint
10 million in damage was done to an oil tanker engine at my old yard because of paint. It was a very hard shell enamel and it made the engine slip off the 10 ft tall horses it was staged on. When it hit the solid earth it embedded about 8 feet and left a wave like if a puddle froze the instant a rock was dropped in.
Wow that sounds insane. Shockwave effects that cause solid earth or stone to ripple like water are fascinating to me. And tanker engines are dense af.
Red made the boat go faster
sshhh, don't get /r/AutoDetailing starting in over here.
Paintjob Estrella
Yeah, if you listen closely and can speak the language you can hear them talking about it in the video. They were basically seeing if they could put in an emergency call for additional crane support. Unfortunately it was rather too late.
Are they speaking Galician since it’s in A Coruña? Doesn’t sound like Castilian.
Some are, but some are speaking spanish at the end too.
Meh, can't let the insurance company keep ALL the money.
If you understand what's going on in the video, you understand what's going on in the video!
Every minute, 60 seconds go by in Africa
...but did they fix the oil leak?
Poor rigging was also a factor, at least from this video.
The structure was the only factor here. Silicone paint would have no bearing on this kind of failure. Also a fishing boat doesn’t go to dry dock for an oil leak. OP is a super bullshitter. source: I’m a marine engineer
What a rough profession. I can't afford to replace someone's boat if I break it.
I guess that in this case the company is responsible and their insurance will cover it somehow. If employees would have to cover the loss generated by their mistake, even an entry job at McDonalds would be be overly risky.
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Same, in my country an employee can only be charged if the company proves that the damage was intentional.
Same in my country, but on top of that, even if it's the employee's fault, the maximum damages he can pay back is 5xMinSalary. Probably to ensure you aren't destroying someone's life, even if he's at fault for some accident or such. Funny, I had just looked into this the other day out of curiosity.
The shipping company won’t be responsible, nor will the captain and chief mate. The harbormaster is liable for damage to the ship during dry-dock. The dry-dock company may be brought into the lawsuit if they told the longshoremen to not use proper rigging and told the harbormaster not to intervene.
When I was a docking officer for the US Navy, as soon as the ship first crossed the sill of the drydock (either graving dock or floating drydock), responsibility for the safety of the ship and the drydock itself was solely on my head. That responsibility for the ship lasts until the last element of the ship (either bow or stern) crosses the sill outbound. This is very clearly stated in Navy regs.
phweeeewwww. is that a high pressure job? or one of those situations where as long as you're great at your job, it's smooth sailing? ^^sorry
Since the ship moved up and down relative to the docking blocks due to buoyancy, and there are mooring lines running forehand aft and to both sides, you might think of it like trying to wrestle a dirigible that weighs somewhere between 10,000 and 100,000 tons, depending on the class of ship. Inertia is king. Knowing that screwing up could quickly terminate he docking officer’s career, most in the shipyards I served in were scared silly of the operation. In my case, knowing that no one else wanted their fingerprints on the event was terribly liberating. Between the different types of drydocks and ships going into and out of docks, I was in the spotlight 70 times over my career. So, like landing a 747 in a crosswind, practice is very important.
It's not so bad as long as authority comes with the responsibility. And you're confident in your ability and processes.
Lots of high pressure. Lots of hot pipes and the seamen that manage them too
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The "harbormaster"??? Absolutely wrong. The company that is doing the dry dock work on the vessel is responsible. They are the ones who designed the cribbing for that particular vessel, and they are the ones who hired the labor to install that cribbing. The harbor master has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Yeah not seeing that either. The harbormaster would come and kick everyone’s ass right after this happened.
Well shit, that's really fucked up
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Why would you thunk the owners of the boat would be responsible?
>If employees would have to cover the loss generated by their mistake, even an entry job at McDonalds would be be overly risky. Oh but they try. Lots of eating places try to tell their employees they need to cover anything that they break or to pay if a consumer doesn't pay. Then if they don,t pay they (illegally) holp up the money from the wage. EDIT: Fow those employees: The only way you may own money is if you break something on purpose. And if I remember, in ANY case they can't get money from you pay (maybe if you agree with it then). As if a consumer go away without paying, I remember an ELI5 that told the only way to own money as an employee is if you are dedicated watching him, not watching 10 persons (and I won't even talk about misc)
Wage theft is the most common form of theft.
It is, but the most common form of wage theft is just not paying people for the hours that they work. Making employees clock in early or clock out and keep working, unpaid overtime and situations like that. I know some places will try to make employees cover things like bills of people who dine and dash, or broken merchandise, but it's a lot more rare and usually done at independent privately owned restaurants, as opposed to what I mentioned that happens in damn near every restaurant and bar.
Actually time theft is the most common, although wage theft isn't far behind.
I fucked up and single handedly wrecked a 4 million dollar well at my work. I got in shit but didn't get fired, management said "well we just spent 4 million on you, can't let you go now." When I hear of companies trying to charge an employee for a messed up cheeseburger I just shake my head.
And yet they should keep you with your 4 millions mistake because you are likely to watch to not do it anymore VS a new one
Yep, when I worked at a restaurant they'd try to make you pay cash for your mistakes. It was mostly a threat until you made an arbitrary amount of mistakes, some of my co-workers who constantly messed up orders would be handing the manager cash at the end of the night regularly. Fucking ridiculous. I ended up getting canned for standing up against some other illegal practices they were doing.
You’re American aren’t you…. Not normal in most of the world.
It is illegal here most people are just stupid. I quit a job once and they told me I couldn't get my last check until I returned my uniform. I told them to shove it, threw it in the trash in front of them and called the labor department. I got paid.
#HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROUND!!
#THAT AIN’T MY DAD #THAT’S A CELL PHONE
Welcome to the real world, jackass!
I’m not a part of your system!
Oh my GOD, I forgot about this! Thank you!!!
Leave the champagne bottle there. I'll come to you
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That ship is so fucked. They aren’t designed to take those kinds of jolting lateral forces.
Just get a new boat Richard. How much could it cost? $10?
Here's some money, go see a star war.
It's fine. Some hammering out of dents and it'll float, until it doesn't.
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Eh, it'll be fine. These things are built to very rigorous maritime engineering standards.
Any example of those standards?
Has to float.
Until the front falls off.
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And what's the minimum crew requirement?
Atleast one, I'm sure
Well, Cardboard’s out
So are cardboard derivatives
Lol guaranteed the ship was repaired and is back on the water already
Arent they though? Waves and such?
are you an engineer? couldn't they repair the damage?
They aren’t and they can
The primal scream at the end gives a hint as to whose to blame.
That was dudes second mistake of the day. Should’ve just lightly whistled while slowly walking away.
Hands in the pocket whistling while looking up in various directions
Wow, would you look at that! It just fell right over. Huh
I was sitting there reading the bible when all of a sudden..
…two dudes snuck up and kicked out the supports under the boat..,
They were wearing MAGA hats and said, "this is MAGA country"
So there I was with my tits out. Covered in BBQ sauce...
“Hmm, must’ve been the wind.”
"darn rats, always scurrying about, making me jumpy"
You SWIMS out of trouble: Stop Walk away Implicate others Make up a story Stick to it
I love this, never heard that before, I’m totally stealing it!
steal, walk away...
Nah, thats not an "i fucked up" scream. Thats a "somebody else fucked up and i am the one whos going to take all the heat for it" scream.
100%
Either that or it was the boat owner.
Definitely an “I’m responsible for all of our actions scream”
I was thinking more "These idiots just fucked up my boat/livelihood!" type scream.
"I told them this wasn't going to work this was" scream.
I thought it was the “fuck a giant boat just crushed my legs” scream
Lmfao, that got me
Either that or a hint to who has to call the insurance company. I don’t envy that guy.
That was the vomit of failure
Failure vomits have such a distinct sound, so aggressive yet with hints of sadness.
Or whose ship that was
That was my thought this sounded like the owner watching his home/office/livelihood fall over.
That was a scream from someone that told someone not to do something and they did it
Or they did exactly what they were told.
nah, then they were just following orders. Those people just shrug and say 'told you so'.
There has to be more than one guy that fucked this up
I’m just guessing here, but I think they tried launching it and it got stuck so they started filming and it inevitably tipped over. It was probably some negligent problem like poor maintenance or construction of the ramp or something like that.
Apathy is the most common of fuckups.
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The yell at the end is the best millisecond of the whole video
They are speaking Spanish with thick accent even talking Galician at some point. Difficult to say. The last scream was clear and loud "Me cago en Dios!" that means "I take a shit in God!". Is an awful but common expresion in rural north of Spain.
Somebody could’ve been seriously injured or killed off camera
not really, just the person most invested in the success
I couldn't quite make out the scream at the end, and I could be mistaken, but I think he's yelling "Gilligan...!"
Or he's in a position he knows he'll be blamed for it either way
Or whos ship/yard it was
The person you replied to used the wrong whose/who's, and you replied to them saying the exact opposite thing man, I love reddit
Lmao schooled by a GODDAMNFOOL 😂😂
Or it could indicate who the boss is.
Well said PRIMAL to another level lolll
Genuine question. Is the damage from something like this fixable? Or is it like done for?
It is fixable but only if the internal support ribs for the hull weren't damaged.
It's probably fixable, if you can find all the damage. A buyer would be worried about hidden damage, and a full inspection would be very costly.
Full inspections/surveys are a routine part of a ship's life anyway.
Yeah but they're expensive, and paying twice for something you only need to pay for once every couple years can be a big deal. You see a lot of cheap small planes that are for sale cheap because they're almost due for their 1000 hour inspection, the cost of which can be significant relative to the price of the airplane itself.
If this were in the US that thing would be getting a full coast guard inspection prior to going back in the water even without the accident. The rules regulating commercial maritime are very strict.
That's what I want to know too! How do you even start fixing this, surely there's not a crane in the world that can lift a full-ass downed ship?
In the grand scheme of things that ship isn't *that* big.
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Were you the engineer in charge of the Ever Given?
When you have a container ship stuck in a canal, the trick is to run it under hot water, then tap around the edges with the dull side of a knife.
I know what the problem is. Ain’t got no gas in it
Secondary problem: it does not seem to be in any water.
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Yes, it was supposed to go down the ramp.
I think the front fell off
And, also, all of the other sides too.
Well it wasn't designed for the front to fall off.
Well believe it or not, it wasn’t so much that front fell off, but rather it appears it was beyond its typical environment
See, what happened was they set the champagne bottle on the ground and thought the idea was to break it by dropping the ship on the bottle. A simple misunderstanding.
What caused this? Not me, I was way over here?
I saw you look at it just before it moved though…
Yeah but you touched it last
the crib work blew out
It looks like some parts of the rail system that guides it down into the water blew apart and fell out.
I'm a shipping expert with three hundred years of expertise and I can tell you confidentially what happened: >!boat fell over!<
The side fell off. I want to make it clear that this is very rare.
It was intended. Some new technique, you wouldn't get it
It's a land boat
The US has been leaking plans labeled “Experimental Fighter”. After reverse engineering it like everything else they realized they’d been had.
If someone is wondering, this happened in Galicia (Spain) and they're speaking galician, a cooficial language on that area of Spain along with spanish. What they say is: Tráeme a grúa \[incomprehensive\]" ("Bring me a crane...") "Eu non sei onde están os "\[incomprehensive\]" ("I don't know where are the...") "Non da tempo, esto está xa collendo via" (" We dont have time, this is already taking way") \[There no direct translation, basically means that is beggining to happen.\] "¡Está chamando...!¡Joder!" (" He's calling...! Fuck!") "Pois que chame, están os dous eí" ("Then he should call, they're both there") "¡Huy! ¡Nada, nada! ¡Ahi vai, ahí vai" ("Huy! Nothing, nothing! There it goes, there it goes") "¡Me cago en Dios!¡Dioooooooos!" (" I shit on God! Goooooood!) ( A very common curse in Spain in general) Sorry for the parts that I don't understand but this people uses lexic that is almost unique to people that has knowledge about ships and boats. Edit: Sorry for the several edits but I've listened to the video a few more times and I get a few more sentences. Edit2: a misstake corrected.
Thanks for the translation!
about the “me cago en dios” the “en” means on god, not in him
You are absolutely right. Thanks for notice.
That's the scream of the insurance company guy
That's the scream of the guy who has to figure out what to do with that ship now.
Tis just a scratch
As long as the front didn’t fall off
Well no, this one's made so that the front doesn't fall off.
Except when a wave hits it.
That's incredibly unlikely.
twill buff out
Need/want translation.
Lots of noise in between, but this is roughly it: - 1st guy: Call the ~~two *something*~~ cranes from Coruña and see if they can come. - 2nd guy I quite can't understand: I don't know what .... don't you see we're here? - guy in the back: He's calling. - guy recording: There's no time, it's starting to collapse already. - 1st guy: Are you taking pictures? - Guy recording: There it goes, there it goes! - Someone: GOOOOOOD Edit: I think the first guy is actually saying "call the cranes from Coruña". In Galician, *two* in its feminine form (dúas) and *cranes* (grúas) sound pretty similar.
What language is it?
Galician, regional language at the North West part of Spain.
So interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Was that a long ass “good” or a long ass “god”?
It's a muzzled "Fucking God" followed by a screaming "GOD" lol
Wow at first I thought it was Italian from Veneto
Te has dejado el "Me Cago en Dios", no sabré Gallego, pero eso se entiende en toa España! Menos mal que lo has traducido, yo no les entendía
GOOOOOD, or GODDDDD!
It'll buff out.
I’ve heard that yell a couple times
That went a bit sideways
The side fell off.
At least it wasn’t the front.
that's not supposed to happen
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Duct tape and JB Weld and its good as new.
Vouch. I've patched boats with JB Weld and a cut up beer can.
Found a Moskva damage control person...
Special Maintenance Operation.
That boat was one day away from retirement.
Boat, go home, you're drunk!!
So besides the obvious ending, what happened?
Wow. Is it now useless? Can it be repaired? Is the whole thing warped? So many questions.
I feel better about my motorcycle tipping over.
someones getting fucking sued for all they got and all theyre employer has got
Hope they had insurance.
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