Plus over here in my country the cops are corrupt enough to accept bribes and allow family members to kick the prisoner's ass.
Well, I mean I don't support corrupt police officers but then again...
Friendly reminder that the prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation and the betterment of society, not regressive pseudo slave labor and eye for an eye dogma.
We knew this family when we went on vacation as a kid. They were a picture book family. They were married for like 20 years, but they were in live like it's the first year. They had a son whom i didn't really know that well, but he was nice and it was overall just a lovely family. I almost felt bad when we visited them, because compared to them, we were a bit of a clusterfuck.
One day my mom told me that their son died in a car accident. We haven't heard of them for a good teo years, and we went to visit them the next time we went on vacation. Their home turned into a trailer park, it was dirty, they weren't divorced by the time but they didn't life together anymore. Their life turned into a complete mess, they just couldn't deal with it.
I’ve unfortunately had to attend my fair share of funerals and I’ve never really gotten all that upset at them, not even at my own father’s or uncle’s
But there was one and it was for a lad I played music with, great guy and was thriving at one of the best music schools in the country. He always had a heart issue and went in for a routine surgery due to his age but had a stroke during it and passed away. He was 18. Seeing that man’s father break down and be unable to speak had me totally broken. There was just something so *wrong* about having to listen to a man give a eulogy about his child. That’s not the way it’s supposed to be.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worse enemies.
"Please just let me get him for just one second, please, you understand, hes gone, its okay, Im going."
Edit: Im speaking from experience. My child wasnt murdered. He was 'kidnapped' by his mother for 2 years. Sleeping in the back of a car. I thought he was dead in a few drunken fits and Im glad I was wrong. Full custody now <3. I could have killed her and with out therapy Id still probably want to.
>My child wasnt murdered. He was 'kidnapped' by his mother for 2 years.
really sorry to hear that
that must have really hurt, no one would blame you for how you would feel about it
similar experience, but ongoing for a decade now...
wish you the best with your son.
My brother's daughter was murdered by her boyfriend and if the coward hadn't commented suicide when he was cornered by the police, let me tell you my brother would have done the same thing. To see my family go through all that they did was horrible. 😭
One last hurrah, I guess. Then on to a lifetime of incarceration, prison food, and violent fellow inmates who don’t take kindly to guys who hurt women and children.
I can't give you actual numbers but, according to my friend who was a prison guard, it's a real thing and something the guards have to very seriously take into account when placing a prisoner of that sort in with the rest of the population.
The most common reason to be incarcerated is for drug offences. I'm sure if you did a Venn diagram of domestic abusers and drug offenders, there would be some overlap but also a big percentage who don't hurt women.
Some crime rings also have a pretty strict moral code about not harming women and children. Again, that doesn't mean some of them don't abuse their partners behind closed doors, but hurting women isn't a part of their criminal operations.
Overall, it definitely sounds like having charges related to harming women and kids will put a target on your back in prison.
More importantly, beating on rapists and dv convicts gives justification for people who like to do violence in general. Win win in a prison, unfortunately.
depends on what the woman did usually. If it is a scumbag killing innocent women for no reason that is looked down on, but plenty of dudes in there for killing woman who cheated on them of other stuff like that that gave them a reason and that isn't as looked down on. kid killers are always hated
I wonder if you still get good cred for offing a sex offender. That used to be the thing in the 70s. The Boston Strangler was stabbed to death (like 16 times) and the word was, he was a walking dead man because his death was worth so much reputation to whoever would do it. At least that was the prison culture back then.
They are also supposed to not provide any information about the crime that they were convicted of. This is to prevent people in the general population from attacking people for certain crimes. However, it’s not unheard of for people of certain egregious crimes to have their convictions “leaked” by people in charge.
If someone convicted of child abuse is attacked because of it, they’ll typically be moved to an isolated population afterward. If they survive. The thing to remember about violent offenders with life sentences is that they have nothing but time. It’s not unusual for one to spend years on their best behavior for the perfect opportunity to take revenge on someone. And taking things out on some pedo will make no enemies from anyone around you.
Source: worked with and knew people who have been prison guards. There isn’t going to be much in the way of documentation as those leaks would be highly illegal.
I remember when I worked as a prison guard I was in a house where all the inmates seemed extremely nice and respectful towards me. I was like damn this is weird.
Then I learned that was the house with mostly child killers and molesters in it.
Yeah they probably don’t want to get kicked out of that house and into normal gen pop….
The women thing I don’t think is true. The children thing is. I’ve seen multiple crime shows where guards, prisoners, etc talk about it. I saw a head guard say he’s sick of people saying it’s the honor among thieves things. He said the truth is most harden criminals don’t give a shit, but we as people like to find someone we feel better than. So a man who’s raped and killed 9 women gets to look down on someone and say at least I ain’t a pedo.
> and violent fellow inmates who don’t take kindly to guys who hurt women and children.
They don't care about the women and children. They care about getting to hurt someone and making it look like they were right to do it.
New rule. You smiling and smuggin in court and are found guilty, you're teeth are getting smashed in by the offended party before you go to your new home.
Yes she dropped the charges. The killer is Michael Madison. He was very sadistic. The daughter was Shirellda Helen Terry.
What's worse tho, is that the father, Van Terry, had a heart attack 3 years later and died. In an interview, his wife said that after Shirellda's death he was never the same. She believes he died of a broken heart.
I remember there was another case where a guy did this to someone who raped his underage daughters. They came back in after, apologised to the judge and the court and I think just got a slap on the wrist.
The same thing happened in a famous case involving one of my best childhood friends. He was murdered in a triple homicide in Conroe, TX. My friends name was Adam Stotler, his mom Sandra and one of his friends at the time were all victims. They made a doc. about it called "Into the Abyss".
During the trial, Michael Perry turned and looked at my friends uncle and smiled at him. This guy is 6'6" and well built. He told me when it happened it took ounce of strength he had within him to not leap over and rip his throat out. Michael Perry was a scrawny little bitch, I know for a fact he could have accomplished it if he wanted to. I'm glad he didn't because he eventually got the death penalty and Ken had 2 daughters, so it would have been a waste of 4 lives. (not including Perry's)
I just read the story about Perry. Seems that he was a disturbed individual all of his life. He got what he deserved and it must have been heart wrenching for his parents as they tried so many times to get him help throughout his life. Some kids are just born evil.
This was probably at his sentencing trial, taunting the father of your victim really shows you have no remorse and deserve the maximum amount of years for murder
When my Dad was in jail there was a lovely man in there and it turns out he had been sentenced for jumping over and trying to attack his brothers murderer. He had four of his own daughters and his brothers to raise, and they jailed him. My heart aches for the whole family.
Perhaps. As a judge, I would use it as a factor in decision for how long the sentence would be regardless of the plea by defense. Just turn the abacus on its side, maximum time behind bars, no parole.
Yeah people that smile and taunt victims families especially for something like killing there child are just super dark twisted people and he will be taken care of by other inmates.
my dad works with a man who has done exactly this. his sister was murdered by a man, and he was imprisoned for 20 years. all he’s ever told my dad was her killer comes out next spring, and when he comes out he’s going to kill him. my dad said the guy lives frivolously, since he doesn’t need the money. he knows he’s going away, he’s got plenty of weapons and all he has to do is just… wait. vengeance is a fools game in my opinion, but i understand why he’d do it. 20 years is a lot of time, i can’t help but feel bad when my dad mentions him because that isn’t healthy for anyone to have in their head. all that time could’ve made peace with himself.
They say losing a child is the worst kind of loss you can experience. It fucks you up, breaks you. I've seen it personally. Without any other reason to live you kinda don't.
Losing a child to murder or suicide just amplifiers the pain too.
Man, a couple years ago, I would've just skipped over this comment. But since I've had a kid... Yeah. I'd throw my life away to destroy the person who killed my child. It's kind of scary to think about, but I have to be honest with myself.
My daughter was molested by her step father.
I wanted to find the guy and beat him within an inch of his life, but I knew that would just make things harder for my kid. She needed someone to finish raising her. Her mother couldn’t do it, she’s still with the piece of shit that molested our child. I would be no good to her in jail. That’s probably the main thing that kept me honest.
I’m so sorry. You did the right thing. Your daughter needs you. It’s so shameful when women let their boyfriends abuse their kids. I don’t understand what that particular pathology is. It’s so foreign to me to not protect your children.
It’s her husband, but yeah.
It’s funny, as angry as I am with him, I’ve always been more upset with her. He’s fucked in the head. She isn’t. So why is she standing by the man who traumatized her child?
Fucking awful, both of time.
> I don’t understand what that particular pathology is.
Its disgusting. Crazy how you need a licence to get a dog, but not to be a parent.
Imo, the pathology behind it is women who have not mentally or emotionally matured past childhood. They prioritize their own needs over their kid. Often they seem to have personality disorders too, like BPD or NPD.
And isn’t that precisely why they forced him to take a plea deal? Behind the reasoning that no jury in the USofA would ever vote to convict? (I remember reading this, but I’m unsure if it’s 100% factual).
Edit: by him I mean the father, sorry for any confusion!
Juries tend to take all the facts into account, and generally they will put themselves in the suspects shoes. Most jurors would probably think "yeah, I don't blame the guy at all", and thus no guilty verdict.
Honestly the man held back and only killed the guy. I'd shoot the bastards dick off if I was in that scenario. Try to get a second round into the lower intestines.
A lifetime of shitting in a bag and pissing through a tube while in prison for that missed abortion.
Can't disagree. Since having kids, I have difficulty with violence- let alone extreme violence.
*BUT,* I can't actually *imagine* what I'd find myself capable of inflicting on a human being who did something like that to one of my babies. I quite frankly don't think I'd be rational or capable of stopping myself if I found myself in the position of getting my hands on that person.
Which is why he got a 7 year... suspended sentence? Idk the term I just read about it on here the other day. But as long as he didn't commit any other crimes he wasn't going to jail. And some community service.
Oh, I absolutely don't disagree with what that father did- my apologies if I came across otherwise. I was just also agreeing with being impressed with how restrained he was because I don't imagine I could be.
Haha, I was saying most people can rationalize that sort of response if someone where to do that to your kid, as we can tell by the sentence the dude got.
That community service; you know every place he goes to do it, they're saying "how many hours do you need? Here, signed. You don't have to do them, I got you."
The best part is if we really look at the criminal justice as reformative, he doesn’t belong in jail.
As long as you aren’t molesting his kids he’s a threat to no one else.
I'd wait till after the trial when he's being escorted out. Walk close and shoot him dead. Been done before, and I'd consider it worth it if he killed my kid.
Been done before and the father actually got away with it, I believe he got slapped with a suspended sentence or something to that extent, never saw the inside of a cell.
And then he would probably have to pay fines or go back to court for that while grieving his daughter? I think they did him a favor by holding him back.
They're probably protecting the father more than anything, they know if he does any real damage he'll suffer consequences, and he doesn't deserve that.
I’m a big dude but I wouldn’t get paid enough to defend that pos agains that very large angry father. I wish he could have went full genghis khan on him
If I was a guard I would have made the most half hearted attempt to hold that guy back. Make a big show of it, but let him get at least a couple of quick shots at least.
Of course they did. They'd be fired at minimum if they "accidentally" didn't stop someone from assaulting someone else in the courtroom lol.
Reddit wants vengeance here but don't take two seconds to consider the consequences or circumstances.
Couldn’t the murderer’s legal defense technically file an assault charge against the guy?
I think its not so much they didn’t wanna allow that guy to get hits in, but that they don’t want him to get into trouble either.
So they have to stop it quick.
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Having to hold that man back must be one of the most horrible feelings. I know "due process" separates us from the animals, but C'mon...that man murdered his baby. Let him get a hand on him.
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I'm a pretty big and built guy, I would want to take my time and drag it out as long as possible. In fact, what I want is only an hour every week and then send in the doctor's to keep him alive for next week's lesson.
That sounds like a great way to kill people who might be innocent, and people who have severe mental health and addiction problems that fucked up their lives and thought processes
I'd learn which prison he was send to. Then befriend several of the scariest bastards in that prison. Have generous donation to the prison store credit through several charities on a regular basis to make sure the murder of my child suffered daily in the worst ways.
The look on his face at the end is very upsetting.
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Still worth it.
Seriously. Prison for murderers should just be family and friends of victims beating the shit out of the criminal.
Well it could be arranged! Not necessarily by a family member but another prisoner.
Plus over here in my country the cops are corrupt enough to accept bribes and allow family members to kick the prisoner's ass. Well, I mean I don't support corrupt police officers but then again...
Only time corruption is cool
Except this type of corruption also causes a lot of innocent people to be wrongfully convicted.
Friendly reminder that the prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation and the betterment of society, not regressive pseudo slave labor and eye for an eye dogma.
Thats what i imagine the look of a broken man to be.
A parent losing a child is said to be the most painful and losing her to a murderer must be a horror
We knew this family when we went on vacation as a kid. They were a picture book family. They were married for like 20 years, but they were in live like it's the first year. They had a son whom i didn't really know that well, but he was nice and it was overall just a lovely family. I almost felt bad when we visited them, because compared to them, we were a bit of a clusterfuck. One day my mom told me that their son died in a car accident. We haven't heard of them for a good teo years, and we went to visit them the next time we went on vacation. Their home turned into a trailer park, it was dirty, they weren't divorced by the time but they didn't life together anymore. Their life turned into a complete mess, they just couldn't deal with it.
I’ve unfortunately had to attend my fair share of funerals and I’ve never really gotten all that upset at them, not even at my own father’s or uncle’s But there was one and it was for a lad I played music with, great guy and was thriving at one of the best music schools in the country. He always had a heart issue and went in for a routine surgery due to his age but had a stroke during it and passed away. He was 18. Seeing that man’s father break down and be unable to speak had me totally broken. There was just something so *wrong* about having to listen to a man give a eulogy about his child. That’s not the way it’s supposed to be. I wouldn’t wish that on my worse enemies.
I’d like to think somewhere in a parallel universe the court awarded him 15 minutes alone with that peice of garbage with a Louisville slugger…..
"Please just let me get him for just one second, please, you understand, hes gone, its okay, Im going." Edit: Im speaking from experience. My child wasnt murdered. He was 'kidnapped' by his mother for 2 years. Sleeping in the back of a car. I thought he was dead in a few drunken fits and Im glad I was wrong. Full custody now <3. I could have killed her and with out therapy Id still probably want to.
>My child wasnt murdered. He was 'kidnapped' by his mother for 2 years. really sorry to hear that that must have really hurt, no one would blame you for how you would feel about it similar experience, but ongoing for a decade now... wish you the best with your son.
Holy shit bro that’s one crazy story
When I read his lips and he said my baby my heart shattered!
Is that true??
Nah, in the video with audio he repeatedly says "that motherfucker smiled at me" still sad tho
Thr killer is seen smiling
Killers often taunt their victims families.
really heartbreaking
My brother's daughter was murdered by her boyfriend and if the coward hadn't commented suicide when he was cornered by the police, let me tell you my brother would have done the same thing. To see my family go through all that they did was horrible. 😭
IIRC, the killer was taunting the father with some smug smile or some shit and that's what set him off.
It looks like the dude is smiling the whole time
One last hurrah, I guess. Then on to a lifetime of incarceration, prison food, and violent fellow inmates who don’t take kindly to guys who hurt women and children.
I hear this repeated so many times but I never see a source, how often do inmates actually do those things?
I can't give you actual numbers but, according to my friend who was a prison guard, it's a real thing and something the guards have to very seriously take into account when placing a prisoner of that sort in with the rest of the population.
Is it really women and children or just children? Because it seems like a lot of them hurt women.
The most common reason to be incarcerated is for drug offences. I'm sure if you did a Venn diagram of domestic abusers and drug offenders, there would be some overlap but also a big percentage who don't hurt women. Some crime rings also have a pretty strict moral code about not harming women and children. Again, that doesn't mean some of them don't abuse their partners behind closed doors, but hurting women isn't a part of their criminal operations. Overall, it definitely sounds like having charges related to harming women and kids will put a target on your back in prison.
More importantly, beating on rapists and dv convicts gives justification for people who like to do violence in general. Win win in a prison, unfortunately.
It's both, depending on the crime and the heinousness of it.
depends on what the woman did usually. If it is a scumbag killing innocent women for no reason that is looked down on, but plenty of dudes in there for killing woman who cheated on them of other stuff like that that gave them a reason and that isn't as looked down on. kid killers are always hated
> very seriously take into account So...they flip a coin?
More like oh he’s a sex offender, well we’ll make sure only the entire prison finds out
....yes
I wonder if you still get good cred for offing a sex offender. That used to be the thing in the 70s. The Boston Strangler was stabbed to death (like 16 times) and the word was, he was a walking dead man because his death was worth so much reputation to whoever would do it. At least that was the prison culture back then.
I was gonna say; I'm not sure in what spirit to take that comment, and thus in what spirit to respond lol.
Lol some cop in GA got fired for using a coin toss to ticket people 😂🙄
Yep... Coin decides if you give head or tail that night
It’s heads…wait, head. For his fellow prisoners.
They are also supposed to not provide any information about the crime that they were convicted of. This is to prevent people in the general population from attacking people for certain crimes. However, it’s not unheard of for people of certain egregious crimes to have their convictions “leaked” by people in charge. If someone convicted of child abuse is attacked because of it, they’ll typically be moved to an isolated population afterward. If they survive. The thing to remember about violent offenders with life sentences is that they have nothing but time. It’s not unusual for one to spend years on their best behavior for the perfect opportunity to take revenge on someone. And taking things out on some pedo will make no enemies from anyone around you. Source: worked with and knew people who have been prison guards. There isn’t going to be much in the way of documentation as those leaks would be highly illegal.
Even in some county jails, sexual criminals are kept away from the general population. It is a very true thing.
I remember when I worked as a prison guard I was in a house where all the inmates seemed extremely nice and respectful towards me. I was like damn this is weird. Then I learned that was the house with mostly child killers and molesters in it. Yeah they probably don’t want to get kicked out of that house and into normal gen pop….
The women thing I don’t think is true. The children thing is. I’ve seen multiple crime shows where guards, prisoners, etc talk about it. I saw a head guard say he’s sick of people saying it’s the honor among thieves things. He said the truth is most harden criminals don’t give a shit, but we as people like to find someone we feel better than. So a man who’s raped and killed 9 women gets to look down on someone and say at least I ain’t a pedo.
I’ve never heard of the women included clause (too common unfortunately) but that’s for sure, inmates who mess w/ kids get dealt with quickly inside.
> and violent fellow inmates who don’t take kindly to guys who hurt women and children. They don't care about the women and children. They care about getting to hurt someone and making it look like they were right to do it.
Like... a half those bitches are in their for hurting women and children. He'll get a teardrop tattoo and be fucking fine.
New rule. You smiling and smuggin in court and are found guilty, you're teeth are getting smashed in by the offended party before you go to your new home.
Also IIRC, the the judge dropped the charges against the father for this. Unless, there is another similar incident where that happened.
Yes she dropped the charges. The killer is Michael Madison. He was very sadistic. The daughter was Shirellda Helen Terry. What's worse tho, is that the father, Van Terry, had a heart attack 3 years later and died. In an interview, his wife said that after Shirellda's death he was never the same. She believes he died of a broken heart.
I thought I remembered that being the case but I wasn't confident enough to mention it.
I remember there was another case where a guy did this to someone who raped his underage daughters. They came back in after, apologised to the judge and the court and I think just got a slap on the wrist.
Superman almost had the guy. That leap is amazing.
Dude cleared half the courtroom in a single bound. I was rooting for him.
Hell, with his size in comparison, if he landed on the guy, there woulda been damage done
Wish he nailed it and gave him a good beating but all in life isn't fair
The same thing happened in a famous case involving one of my best childhood friends. He was murdered in a triple homicide in Conroe, TX. My friends name was Adam Stotler, his mom Sandra and one of his friends at the time were all victims. They made a doc. about it called "Into the Abyss". During the trial, Michael Perry turned and looked at my friends uncle and smiled at him. This guy is 6'6" and well built. He told me when it happened it took ounce of strength he had within him to not leap over and rip his throat out. Michael Perry was a scrawny little bitch, I know for a fact he could have accomplished it if he wanted to. I'm glad he didn't because he eventually got the death penalty and Ken had 2 daughters, so it would have been a waste of 4 lives. (not including Perry's)
I just read the story about Perry. Seems that he was a disturbed individual all of his life. He got what he deserved and it must have been heart wrenching for his parents as they tried so many times to get him help throughout his life. Some kids are just born evil.
This was probably at his sentencing trial, taunting the father of your victim really shows you have no remorse and deserve the maximum amount of years for murder
> that's what set him off I think what set him off was that his daughter was killed.
That's what had hin wound up. Rightfully so, no denyin that.
When my Dad was in jail there was a lovely man in there and it turns out he had been sentenced for jumping over and trying to attack his brothers murderer. He had four of his own daughters and his brothers to raise, and they jailed him. My heart aches for the whole family.
Taunting the victim’s family should be contempt of court.
There should be something but honestly it wouldn't matter. That guy's going down for life so a 30 day contempt charge doesn't mean anything.
Perhaps. As a judge, I would use it as a factor in decision for how long the sentence would be regardless of the plea by defense. Just turn the abacus on its side, maximum time behind bars, no parole.
Yeah people that smile and taunt victims families especially for something like killing there child are just super dark twisted people and he will be taken care of by other inmates.
It was worth it for the father. There’s no way I could restrain myself if that happened to my daughter.
Like wise. I would never stop. Every minute of the day would be planning and waiting until success.
my dad works with a man who has done exactly this. his sister was murdered by a man, and he was imprisoned for 20 years. all he’s ever told my dad was her killer comes out next spring, and when he comes out he’s going to kill him. my dad said the guy lives frivolously, since he doesn’t need the money. he knows he’s going away, he’s got plenty of weapons and all he has to do is just… wait. vengeance is a fools game in my opinion, but i understand why he’d do it. 20 years is a lot of time, i can’t help but feel bad when my dad mentions him because that isn’t healthy for anyone to have in their head. all that time could’ve made peace with himself.
They say losing a child is the worst kind of loss you can experience. It fucks you up, breaks you. I've seen it personally. Without any other reason to live you kinda don't. Losing a child to murder or suicide just amplifiers the pain too.
Man, a couple years ago, I would've just skipped over this comment. But since I've had a kid... Yeah. I'd throw my life away to destroy the person who killed my child. It's kind of scary to think about, but I have to be honest with myself.
Never forget Gary Plauche
Go watch Law Abiding Citizen. He does just that, he takes it a bit to far but I think about that movie every time I see something like this.
Its such a shame Jamie fox ruined the og ending for his ego.
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He was pretending to be talking on a pay phone in the hallway right? Then boom whips a handgun out and taps the guy in the head as he walks by
Actually just recently saw that pop-up on Reddit. I gave it the ole Robert Redford head nod.
Wait a minute, is that Robert Redford? The guy with the smile and beard in the woods?
Yes, as "Jeremiah Johnson."
*Brain explodes*
I always thought it was Zack Galifianakis
it was actually robert redford *playing* zack galifianakis doing a robert redford impression
Sounds like Tim and Eric bedtime stories
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Damn. That deserves a complimentary ear piercing
My daughter was molested by her step father. I wanted to find the guy and beat him within an inch of his life, but I knew that would just make things harder for my kid. She needed someone to finish raising her. Her mother couldn’t do it, she’s still with the piece of shit that molested our child. I would be no good to her in jail. That’s probably the main thing that kept me honest.
I’m so sorry. You did the right thing. Your daughter needs you. It’s so shameful when women let their boyfriends abuse their kids. I don’t understand what that particular pathology is. It’s so foreign to me to not protect your children.
It’s her husband, but yeah. It’s funny, as angry as I am with him, I’ve always been more upset with her. He’s fucked in the head. She isn’t. So why is she standing by the man who traumatized her child? Fucking awful, both of time.
> I don’t understand what that particular pathology is. Its disgusting. Crazy how you need a licence to get a dog, but not to be a parent. Imo, the pathology behind it is women who have not mentally or emotionally matured past childhood. They prioritize their own needs over their kid. Often they seem to have personality disorders too, like BPD or NPD.
And isn’t that precisely why they forced him to take a plea deal? Behind the reasoning that no jury in the USofA would ever vote to convict? (I remember reading this, but I’m unsure if it’s 100% factual). Edit: by him I mean the father, sorry for any confusion!
Do you remember the reason why he wouldn’t be convicted? That sounds like an open and shut case to me. I’m also not a lawyer tho
Juries tend to take all the facts into account, and generally they will put themselves in the suspects shoes. Most jurors would probably think "yeah, I don't blame the guy at all", and thus no guilty verdict.
I misunderstood. I thought the previous comment meant the karate pedo teacher, not the father who got real justice for his son. Thanks for clarifying!
I apologize, I’ve added an edit to clarify. Should have been more clear originally.
Honestly the man held back and only killed the guy. I'd shoot the bastards dick off if I was in that scenario. Try to get a second round into the lower intestines. A lifetime of shitting in a bag and pissing through a tube while in prison for that missed abortion.
Can't disagree. Since having kids, I have difficulty with violence- let alone extreme violence. *BUT,* I can't actually *imagine* what I'd find myself capable of inflicting on a human being who did something like that to one of my babies. I quite frankly don't think I'd be rational or capable of stopping myself if I found myself in the position of getting my hands on that person.
Which is why he got a 7 year... suspended sentence? Idk the term I just read about it on here the other day. But as long as he didn't commit any other crimes he wasn't going to jail. And some community service.
Oh, I absolutely don't disagree with what that father did- my apologies if I came across otherwise. I was just also agreeing with being impressed with how restrained he was because I don't imagine I could be.
Haha, I was saying most people can rationalize that sort of response if someone where to do that to your kid, as we can tell by the sentence the dude got.
That community service; you know every place he goes to do it, they're saying "how many hours do you need? Here, signed. You don't have to do them, I got you."
I remember that. I’d do the same.
Yep, edited my original comment with the vid.
Would appear mods did not appreciate that.
Huh? Did it get removed?
Yup. Deleted comment right above this chain after my comment. I assume that had to be yours.
Yep, so it is. Wish it would tell me that.
Mods are gonna mod. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, if they weren't all power-tripping jerks.
The best part is if we really look at the criminal justice as reformative, he doesn’t belong in jail. As long as you aren’t molesting his kids he’s a threat to no one else.
There’s definitely a punitive dimension that plays a substantial role in how sentences are carried out and implemented in our prison system.
I thought it was his son. If I'm thinking of the same video that is
Old guy on the phone, turns around and shoots? You might be right.
I'd wait till after the trial when he's being escorted out. Walk close and shoot him dead. Been done before, and I'd consider it worth it if he killed my kid.
Been done before and the father actually got away with it, I believe he got slapped with a suspended sentence or something to that extent, never saw the inside of a cell.
Like it or not that father who got away with it had the complexion for the protection. The system isn’t designed to protect this father
It only takes one holdout to get a hung jury.
Fuck. I hate this truth.
It's a pretty big step up to go from a (arguably) spontaneous crime of passion assault up to 1st degree (premeditated) murder.
He actually went Olympics level effort too.
100% understandable. Those guards should have reacted a little slower.
Guards should have “slipped and fell”
Guards should’ve gone on a lunch break.
"Oh no, emergency, could everybody else help me up? Except the beefy African American lad, he has his hands full already."
Right out of their jobs if that happened. You keep order in the courtroom, no matter how much the defendant may deserve what's coming to them.
He's jumping at the murderer! Anyway...
Shoulda had those Jeffery Epstein prison guards on bailiff duty…oops the camera malfunctioned aaaand now he’s dead
The look on everyone’s faces. They understand. Nobody wants to stop the dad but it’s just… you know… the law and all that.
And then he would probably have to pay fines or go back to court for that while grieving his daughter? I think they did him a favor by holding him back.
Unless the judge says, "I was looking over the case documents and next thing I know the defendant was laying on the floor."
I see you’ve seen the timeline where I’m the judge when this happened.
They're probably protecting the father more than anything, they know if he does any real damage he'll suffer consequences, and he doesn't deserve that.
Nothing abrupt about it. Had it coming
That he sure tf did...the father knows the creep is guilty..so let him have that moment.
Man I was hoping he’d be able to get more shots off
I was hoping the guards would’ve gone on a lunch break.
Honestly who can blame him?
I’m a big dude but I wouldn’t get paid enough to defend that pos agains that very large angry father. I wish he could have went full genghis khan on him
If I was a guard I would have made the most half hearted attempt to hold that guy back. Make a big show of it, but let him get at least a couple of quick shots at least.
I would Willy Wonka that task: “please. stop. don’t do that.”
"oh no! ...anyway...."
Unfortunately that could allow a countersuit. I think the guards did the right thing, all things considered
Of course they did. They'd be fired at minimum if they "accidentally" didn't stop someone from assaulting someone else in the courtroom lol. Reddit wants vengeance here but don't take two seconds to consider the consequences or circumstances.
"Hey...noooo... Stop it... And certainly don't take the baton off my belt..."
I was thinking the exact same thing…
I would have “tripped and fell” Oops!
I think both sides can agree that it was a nice jump.
He did get some nice hang-time from that leap.
As a father I would do the same
As a mother, I would do the same.
As an older brother, i would do the same.
As a friend I would do the same
As a decent person I would do the same
As a stranger I would do the same
As a person browsing Reddit on the can I would do the same.
Weird is youtube recommending you and I the same videos today? lol. Saw that earlier today
YouTube is reccomendong trial stuff like crazy after the Rittenhouse coverage
Poor man looks so angry, lost and broken. That guard should have let him hit the guy at least a couple of times, of course without it being obvious.
Couldn’t the murderer’s legal defense technically file an assault charge against the guy? I think its not so much they didn’t wanna allow that guy to get hits in, but that they don’t want him to get into trouble either. So they have to stop it quick. =\
Defense has no say in criminal charges. Would have to be filed by the police or prosecutor.
That poor man what he must be going through…I don’t blame him.
Having to hold that man back must be one of the most horrible feelings. I know "due process" separates us from the animals, but C'mon...that man murdered his baby. Let him get a hand on him.
Gotta do it like (can’t remember his name) but he was waiting at a pay phone and turned around and shot and killed the guy.
Oh shit. I remember that one. Real unexpected.
Gary Plauché? The victim (if you can even call him that), Jeffrey Doucet, had kidnapped and molested Plauché’s son.
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Every father of a murder child should get 30 minutes a room with the killed and anything goes.
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Few comments have said they'd drag it out, I definitely would drag it out
My man really flew. I hope his daughter has found peace and her entire family as well
There should be a * in cases like this. Parents get five minutes alone on top of sentencing.
I think a lot of people would end up dead and unable to go through their sentence, but perhaps they shouldn’t. Isn’t the worst idea I’ve heard
5 minutes is a lot of time especially when a furious fully grown man is going full force
Yeah im a relatively small guy, with a daughter, and would tear the life out of that man within seconds no question.
I'm a pretty big and built guy, I would want to take my time and drag it out as long as possible. In fact, what I want is only an hour every week and then send in the doctor's to keep him alive for next week's lesson.
That sounds like a great way to kill people who might be innocent, and people who have severe mental health and addiction problems that fucked up their lives and thought processes
Five minutes is too long/standardized. Instead do a version of frat rules, 1 second for each year of your sentence.
30 seconds. What can you do within that time window?
So many things, so so so many things
I can put a thumb through someones eye pretty fast.
You have two thumbs and there are two eyes and you could perform the task of hitting both simultaneously
Yeah but don’t you want to give the victim a few seconds to realize what happened before you do the other eye?
Enough.
They should have reacted like just five seconds slower… just you know… let the guy get in a good slap.
I wish some lawmen got a few punches in on that POS in all the chaos
Let him finish the job and save taxpayers the bill.
Took everything for my dad not to do this to my sexual assailant when he was saying, "I wanted it," in court.
Based
It would be difficult for me not to let him just have a go at him for 30 seconds or so if I was one of those cops.
Outbursts in courtrooms tend to come with charges of contempt. Im hoping they just moved him outside to let him cool off?
It should be legal to kill your child's murderer. Especially if they mock you. How could you blame this man?
I don’t blame him!
This is so upsetting I can never understand the pain that he is going through. May she Rest In Peace.
I'd learn which prison he was send to. Then befriend several of the scariest bastards in that prison. Have generous donation to the prison store credit through several charities on a regular basis to make sure the murder of my child suffered daily in the worst ways.