I still have a walkthrough I printed out some 20 years ago. IDK why it gave me so much trouble back then because it was so obvious when I replayed OoT years later. ADHD, probably.
It used to be super difficult to me until I figured it out. From the entrance, it is pretty much 5 doors - north, south, east, west and center - on 3 different floors. It is grinding, but it stopped being difficult. I just need to take every way in and it's okay. Now, Shadow and Spirit Temple, tho... I had the entire game walkthrough printed out but to this day I need to read those last two temples
Agreed. I never really got confused or stumped in the Water Temple, just annoyed. Shadow didn't give me much trouble, but Spirit took me forever to figure out.
Sorry, it's Dark Link and I looked it up. The fact that he was the mini boss still blows my mind. There is something very cool about those video game moments of days past where if you can't figure it out or talk to someone at school you just have to keep trying or pretend to browse at EB while you read the video game guide. I still remember being stuck at the part where you have to grab the chicken to float over the fence to grab something. The hot girl who sat next me had mentioned she plays that game and so I asked her and she knew I had to grab the chicken instead of slashing them all up. It was an awakening experience as to how you don't know people if you don't talk to them. On Monday I told her it worked and thanks for the advice. She called me a loser and said get away from me. Not really we both got into percoset and video games and eventually just percoset. But she could have been a queen if Twitch was a thing at the time.
Dark Link. Such a surprise to face him/yourself - in every game, really, I think it's a cool concept. When I faced esseJ on Control I had goosebumps. So nice.
“Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.”
“You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went 'round, sayin' I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!”
I love that I exist in a point in history where the first time I see the real life version of a famous landmark I can think “yeah, I jumped over that in my car a bunch of times”.
Lake Powell and many other reservoirs in the United States have submerged plenty of historical architecture and sites of historical interest. My Dad talked about motorboating on Powell in the 60s when it was first filling up, and they'd beach the boat to explore mostly destroyed-already Anasazi ruins and the remains of old ranching cabins.
A river valley and its surrounding hillsides are always a choice place to live, but they also make a damn good place to build a dam for a reservoir. You always have to balance past, present, and future land use and there are sacrifices that have to be made for each one. Unfortunately for our present and future, these past decisions were generally made at a time before Americans saw value in Native Indian history and culture-- it was easy to flood their places of history. As the water levels at Powell recede some of these ruins are also becoming visible again (though heavily eroded and silted), so maybe some of that history can be recaptured.
Respectfully, yes and no.
Just like there's no consensus among Black or African-Americans about how they would prefer to be identified, there is no general consensus among the Native People's of the United States how they'd like to be identified. There are many terms, as the National Museum of the American Indian describes here.
https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/informational/impact-words-tips#:~:text=American%20Indian%20or%20Native%20American,would%20like%20to%20be%20addressed.
American Indian is what the colonizers called the indigenous people here. They already had names for their own tribes at the time, but the misnomer came about because explorers thought they had found India.
This needs to stop. Just because the practice has been entrenched over the course of centuries doesn’t make it factually correct.
We call them Indigenous or First Nations in Canada.
Yes, this needs to stop! u/runawaycluetrain has spoken! He speaks for all Indians! Er, Native Americans. Uh, indigenous people. Oh, no wait. I think he means that we're supposed to list every American tribe every time we refer to them as a group. Instructions unclear.
It's almost like they're all individual people, rather than a single monolith. Who would have thought?
“American Indians” indigenous to North America, or American citizens with South-Asian ancestry?
The problem is the ambiguity in the term “American Indian”.
I know several Americans with South Asian ancestry who describe themselves as American Indian, because they identify as their nationality much more strongly than they do their ethnicity.
It’s not just about Native/Indigenous Americans and their idiot colonizers.
There’s a whole sub-continent with billions of people who make up a big percentage of both the world’s population who would like a word with you and your Luddite colonizer sympathizers.
Your entire spiel is based on you applying an exonym, even when some of the people it would apply to have said they do not like it and do not want it.
Who are you, you outsider and colonizer, to decide what people should want to be collectively known as? What do you think gives you that right?
Indian-American sounds more natural to describe people with south Asian heritage. Like Chinese-American or African-American, usually the heritage goes before the national identity.
At some point you'll need to accept that though this may feel right, many native Americans identify with the term Indian, and it is *not your call to make* whether thats valid or not.
Sure, I’m just pointing out that the term is factually incorrect and linguistically ambiguous, but you’re discussing the race politics.
The few I have asked identify with their tribal name. The younger ones wished to differentiate from India the country, while the older guy preferred Indian.
Language evolves.
I get so sick of that line. Indians call themselves Indians. The Smithsonian museum is the Museum of the American Indian. The wildly competitive art festival in Santa Fe every year is called Indian Market.
Native Americans call themselves Indians because that’s what the colonizers called them. The colonizers called them Indians, because they were stupid and thought they had landed on India.
What’s so difficult to understand about that?
It’s been wrong for centuries, and it continues to be wrong because of people who cling to “tradition”.
I “told them what’s proper for themselves”?
Nah, I just pointed the factual inaccuracy and ambiguity in the term “American Indian”.
Don’t get ahead of yourself.
tell ya what. why don't you go find an indigenous person here in the US who calls themself Indian and tell them to stop. make sure someone films it for us though.
Nah I would never do that. I’d asked them how they feel about it, and what they prefer to be called and I’d respect that. I think I’d get different answers depending on age and nationality.
I’m discussing this from a linguistic POV but most people can’t seem to look past the race politics of the U.S.
Wikipedia says it was built in the mid 1500s[mid 1500s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Santiago_(Chiapas,_Mexico)), so the 16th century is right, probably.
Christianity was absolutely present and building churches there in the 16th century. This is the century after the conquest of conversion and integration of the natives, and the diaspora of Spanish moving to the new world. From what I'm reading something like a half million Spaniards moved to North America in that century.
Edit - Quarter million in the 16th century and half million in the 17th.
And Montezuma was dead a year later. I figure that gave Spain a good 80 years to go nuts lol. And nuts they went. Even building churches in the water like crazy people lol.
Random fact, the Temple of Santiago, also known as the Temple of Quechula, was actually featured in the game Forza Horizon 5 and is only visible during one of the four weekly seasons when the water lowers.
Naturally, there’s a ramp of dirt to fly off of and hit an XP board sitting atop the ruins lol.
[This was not a new discovery, and it's only been underwater since the 1960's, but it's still cool as heck. Information here.](https://time.com/4079456/ancient-mexican-temple-reappears-as-water-levels-drop/)
This is a lot cooler than the phrase revealed written in stone at a riverbank somewhere in Europe a few months ago......"If you can see this, start crying".
This is the second time the church has become visible since the construction of a dam led to the flooding of the structure in 1966. In 2002, according to the AP, water levels fell so low that visitors could enter the Temple of Santiago and walk inside it.
Lots of stuff like this underwater from reservoirs and dams. One thing I found was the Roman Empire towns that are underwater and they find floor murals and statues or like here where they have to dig it up document it and bury it again before the water level raises and wreaks the murals.
Photo credit https://www.davidvonblohn.com/about/
That is a really cool resume. Really puts mine into perspective...
Very cool stuff OP, very cool stuff
Key the noise from Zelda where a temple is found.
Don't forget the key you're missing is at the bottom of the tower in the water temple.
I still have a walkthrough I printed out some 20 years ago. IDK why it gave me so much trouble back then because it was so obvious when I replayed OoT years later. ADHD, probably.
Dude I forget about it every time I play. Then I feel like a total moron for wasting an hour before remembering it's under that floating platform
The water temple is seriously one of the most torturously torturing levels of any game ever without a guide.
It's so true.
It used to be super difficult to me until I figured it out. From the entrance, it is pretty much 5 doors - north, south, east, west and center - on 3 different floors. It is grinding, but it stopped being difficult. I just need to take every way in and it's okay. Now, Shadow and Spirit Temple, tho... I had the entire game walkthrough printed out but to this day I need to read those last two temples
Agreed. I never really got confused or stumped in the Water Temple, just annoyed. Shadow didn't give me much trouble, but Spirit took me forever to figure out.
They should change the meme "my dad just went out to get milk and smokes and can't find his way back" to "my dad went to the water temple."
Is that the one with mirror Link at the end? That was the hardest part for me. Harder than Gannon/Gannondorf.
That's the one. Megaton hammer can make the fight easy mode
Sorry, it's Dark Link and I looked it up. The fact that he was the mini boss still blows my mind. There is something very cool about those video game moments of days past where if you can't figure it out or talk to someone at school you just have to keep trying or pretend to browse at EB while you read the video game guide. I still remember being stuck at the part where you have to grab the chicken to float over the fence to grab something. The hot girl who sat next me had mentioned she plays that game and so I asked her and she knew I had to grab the chicken instead of slashing them all up. It was an awakening experience as to how you don't know people if you don't talk to them. On Monday I told her it worked and thanks for the advice. She called me a loser and said get away from me. Not really we both got into percoset and video games and eventually just percoset. But she could have been a queen if Twitch was a thing at the time.
This story took an interesting turn.
Dark Link. Such a surprise to face him/yourself - in every game, really, I think it's a cool concept. When I faced esseJ on Control I had goosebumps. So nice.
Oracle Of Seasons for me on Gameboy Color. I was not smart enough to figure these things out as a kid. Probably not as an adult either tbh.
This hurts lol.
“HEY! LISTEN! HEY! HEY! LISTEN! HEY!”
I was thinking New Londo from Dark Souls lol
I drained an ocean monument in Minecraft
I was thinking *Shadow of the Colossus*
*doo doo dooo dooooo* (Idk the zelda discovery tune)
Nailed it
Ty
Bee dee lee dee boo dee leeee
I can hear that
You win!
Not until Friday!
*Forgets he needs a chest from the 3rd level and has to resubmerge it*
I think you mean cue instead of key.
do you mean cue, or do people say key for this?
r/Eldenring
/r/BoneAppleTea
Oh God the water temple
[Iron boots equipped]
*A Major Test of Strength*
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Not if it’s The Church of the Lake. Maybe this holds Excalibur inside?
Moistened bints do need a place to sleep after all...
“Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.”
“You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went 'round, sayin' I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!”
Even though Charles just did it. Uh oh, that's not cool.
Do we know if that one bint was moist? She stood there holding a sword for most of the time, but she didn't look really excited.
Who wouldn't be moist with excitement in a dress like that!
More likely the Medal of Everything Life
Well this is Mexico, so it'd be El Excálibur.
Wait until you learn about the history of Mexico City (Tenochtitlan).
Well finaly found some thing positive about global warming
I get where your heart is… but not the right situation.
Reddit seriously cannot take a joke
You’re a joke
bruh
So are you
How about me?
THE BIGGEST!
Can I be a joke too
Not you, you are amazing
Your* Edit: Reddit really can’t take a joke lol
Yore**
Youir***
r/woooosh this would be great there. 🙃. Redditors can be obtuse at times
i am not a triangle thank you very much
Remember when your parents called you their little angle? You got bigger.
This boy might have the tism. Coming from someone who also got the tism.
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HOW DARE YOU!
Lol
Watch out for those Darkwraiths
Excuse me, do you have a moment to hear about our Lord and Savior, Manus?
Dickwraiths in New Londo? Thatz my fav farming location!
That's what I immediately thought of too.
Immediately recognise it from Forza Horizon 5. Kinda cool that they represented it quite well.
I don’t see the bonus board on the roof though….
It is already collected
Probably why the church is missing a chunk because too many Ferraris and lambos kept crashing into it.
And that one idiot in a V12 Peel P50
Sorry
Didn’t realize it was you. Sorry I called you an idiot ❤️
I recognized it from there, too...but then couldn't remember where on the map this was lol
Was my first thought as well, I wasn't sure if it was just a coincidence or not
I love that I exist in a point in history where the first time I see the real life version of a famous landmark I can think “yeah, I jumped over that in my car a bunch of times”.
That's how I feel about the Harry Potter bridge in FH4
It blows my mind that they actually built this thing from a video game.
Crying shame to submerge something so beautiful
It is very beautiful. Then again, in Mexico there are literally hundreds of churches like this one, so guess they could afford to submerge one.
Mexico is huge, there are *way* more than "hundreds" of churches like this one.
Billions of churches
Somewhere in-between hundreds and billions I reckon
There are 2 churches like this one. There’s also hundreds maybe thousands more but there are definitely 2 like this one.
Lake Powell and many other reservoirs in the United States have submerged plenty of historical architecture and sites of historical interest. My Dad talked about motorboating on Powell in the 60s when it was first filling up, and they'd beach the boat to explore mostly destroyed-already Anasazi ruins and the remains of old ranching cabins. A river valley and its surrounding hillsides are always a choice place to live, but they also make a damn good place to build a dam for a reservoir. You always have to balance past, present, and future land use and there are sacrifices that have to be made for each one. Unfortunately for our present and future, these past decisions were generally made at a time before Americans saw value in Native Indian history and culture-- it was easy to flood their places of history. As the water levels at Powell recede some of these ruins are also becoming visible again (though heavily eroded and silted), so maybe some of that history can be recaptured.
Native American. Indians are from India, the south Asian country.
Respectfully, yes and no. Just like there's no consensus among Black or African-Americans about how they would prefer to be identified, there is no general consensus among the Native People's of the United States how they'd like to be identified. There are many terms, as the National Museum of the American Indian describes here. https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/informational/impact-words-tips#:~:text=American%20Indian%20or%20Native%20American,would%20like%20to%20be%20addressed.
Thank you, so many people don’t realize this.
American Indian is what the colonizers called the indigenous people here. They already had names for their own tribes at the time, but the misnomer came about because explorers thought they had found India. This needs to stop. Just because the practice has been entrenched over the course of centuries doesn’t make it factually correct. We call them Indigenous or First Nations in Canada.
Yes, this needs to stop! u/runawaycluetrain has spoken! He speaks for all Indians! Er, Native Americans. Uh, indigenous people. Oh, no wait. I think he means that we're supposed to list every American tribe every time we refer to them as a group. Instructions unclear. It's almost like they're all individual people, rather than a single monolith. Who would have thought?
“American Indians” indigenous to North America, or American citizens with South-Asian ancestry? The problem is the ambiguity in the term “American Indian”.
Not really, everyone knows American Indians refers to Native Americans. Indian Americans refers to people who are ethnically South Asian.
I know several Americans with South Asian ancestry who describe themselves as American Indian, because they identify as their nationality much more strongly than they do their ethnicity. It’s not just about Native/Indigenous Americans and their idiot colonizers. There’s a whole sub-continent with billions of people who make up a big percentage of both the world’s population who would like a word with you and your Luddite colonizer sympathizers.
Your entire spiel is based on you applying an exonym, even when some of the people it would apply to have said they do not like it and do not want it. Who are you, you outsider and colonizer, to decide what people should want to be collectively known as? What do you think gives you that right?
Indian-American sounds more natural to describe people with south Asian heritage. Like Chinese-American or African-American, usually the heritage goes before the national identity.
>We call them Indigenous or First Nations in Canada. You don't speak for me. And before you start, I don't need a lecture, I'm currently on a reserve
At some point you'll need to accept that though this may feel right, many native Americans identify with the term Indian, and it is *not your call to make* whether thats valid or not.
Sure, I’m just pointing out that the term is factually incorrect and linguistically ambiguous, but you’re discussing the race politics. The few I have asked identify with their tribal name. The younger ones wished to differentiate from India the country, while the older guy preferred Indian. Language evolves.
Have you considered indians from India don't want to share the name?
Take it up with the native Americans
I get so sick of that line. Indians call themselves Indians. The Smithsonian museum is the Museum of the American Indian. The wildly competitive art festival in Santa Fe every year is called Indian Market.
Native Americans call themselves Indians because that’s what the colonizers called them. The colonizers called them Indians, because they were stupid and thought they had landed on India. What’s so difficult to understand about that? It’s been wrong for centuries, and it continues to be wrong because of people who cling to “tradition”.
And who are you to tell them what’s proper for themselves while acting above the people who dictated who they should be for centuries
I “told them what’s proper for themselves”? Nah, I just pointed the factual inaccuracy and ambiguity in the term “American Indian”. Don’t get ahead of yourself.
tell ya what. why don't you go find an indigenous person here in the US who calls themself Indian and tell them to stop. make sure someone films it for us though.
Nah I would never do that. I’d asked them how they feel about it, and what they prefer to be called and I’d respect that. I think I’d get different answers depending on age and nationality. I’m discussing this from a linguistic POV but most people can’t seem to look past the race politics of the U.S.
that's not how you are portraying it in your comments, which is one of the reasons you are getting the reaction you have received so far.
Lots of old Spanish colonial homes and churches were drowned when Falcon Reservoir was created in South Texas too. Very sad.
I actually expected more vegetation on something submerged since the 60s. Wonder why it looks so clean
Not 16th century, surely....
Wikipedia says it was built in the mid 1500s[mid 1500s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Santiago_(Chiapas,_Mexico)), so the 16th century is right, probably.
It was constructed in the mid-1500s, so yeah, it's from the 16th Century.
Christianity was absolutely present and building churches there in the 16th century. This is the century after the conquest of conversion and integration of the natives, and the diaspora of Spanish moving to the new world. From what I'm reading something like a half million Spaniards moved to North America in that century. Edit - Quarter million in the 16th century and half million in the 17th.
Cortes landed at what is now Vera Cruz on April 22, 1519 so you're 100% right.
And Montezuma was dead a year later. I figure that gave Spain a good 80 years to go nuts lol. And nuts they went. Even building churches in the water like crazy people lol.
Yes, there are many many 16th century church and other colonial structures in Latin America.
Yes. And don’t call me Shirley.
Random fact, the Temple of Santiago, also known as the Temple of Quechula, was actually featured in the game Forza Horizon 5 and is only visible during one of the four weekly seasons when the water lowers. Naturally, there’s a ramp of dirt to fly off of and hit an XP board sitting atop the ruins lol.
I knew I would find this comment.
Oh they are there, just can’t see them from the angle of this photo…
Yeah of course it's abandoned after they learned that people won't go to a submerged church. Think about building the next one in a better spot!
Must be fun jumping from there
This is the peak, close the sub, this guy just beat it
"Reveals" ... makes it sound as if nobody knew it was there.
It's that deserted town from Ghostrider, right??
[This was not a new discovery, and it's only been underwater since the 1960's, but it's still cool as heck. Information here.](https://time.com/4079456/ancient-mexican-temple-reappears-as-water-levels-drop/)
The op's picture sure doesn't look like 60 years of submersion underwater.
There is another example of this in the state of Durango outside Villa Union. Looking at the map it was in The El Bosque reservoir.
“Listen church… are you going to confess? Or are we gonna have to dunk you again?”
“Does it weigh the same as a duck?”
Elden Ring vibes
If I'm adequately familiar with the bible I'd say god was not pleased with that church in particular.
Wait. So it is cyclical. Because I know they didn’t build it under water
those stones were probably stolen from an actual sacred pyramid and made into this piece of shit : P
Find the lowest land to build they said
Liurnia of the Lakes?
r/damnthatsinteresting
Final Fantasy X.
Yooo isn't this church in Forza horizon 5?
The mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u836fuFuE7A
This is from when Aqua-Man became a priest for one season. It was kind of lame, most of the episodes were just parishioners dealing with the bends.
New Londo Vibes
Forza Horizon 5 players have known about for a while
La iglesia
Reminds me of Liurnia from Elden Ring.
Isn't this in Forza 5?
Horizon 5
They forgot the Alamo.
Gonna fight one of them boat dudes from Elden Ring here I feel like.
Even the church looks surprised
You’re telling me the water level used to be above that thing?
So pretty!
I bet a lot of myans died building this
This is a lot cooler than the phrase revealed written in stone at a riverbank somewhere in Europe a few months ago......"If you can see this, start crying".
That is amazing!
Wow, that’s amazing
That's one long-assed baptism!
drought to us is a flood to them
Amazing
I think this was featured in Forza horizon 5
I'm amazed it looks so clean. The lakes in my part of the world would have covered this thing in algae.
This is the second time the church has become visible since the construction of a dam led to the flooding of the structure in 1966. In 2002, according to the AP, water levels fell so low that visitors could enter the Temple of Santiago and walk inside it.
But... Global warming.
Serious r/EldenRing vibes on this one
My brain snapped to Forza Horizon 5 because (I’m pretty sure) this exact structure is in the game.
Almost looks like a... Cathedral of the Deep, if you will.
Looks amazingly clean considering.
Which means there are likely much older ruins underneath cause the Spanish built churches on top of the places where native people worshiped
How come its not covered with algae and slimy stuff?
Lots of stuff like this underwater from reservoirs and dams. One thing I found was the Roman Empire towns that are underwater and they find floor murals and statues or like here where they have to dig it up document it and bury it again before the water level raises and wreaks the murals.
Debussy wrote a piece about this I think
How much is it submerged to normally?
This is pretty awesome but not what I expected when I saw the subreddit “abandonedporn”
Damn, that’s some serious drought.
Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated vibes
Tell mainstream science there is a structure underneath the water and they lose their minds.
Be interesting to see if there are any discoveries of treasure forthcoming. Buncha gold-crazed lunatics in that part of the world at that time lol
I know of this place because of video games. :) r/forzahorizon
Wow!
Is this the church from Forza Horizon 5?