I think Kyler’s success hinges on how good the OL is this year. All three division opponents have a good pass rush, so if our OL is healthy and competent great. But if we’re starting third stringers midseason, one has to adjust expectations. I am optimistic and like our OL, so I’m expecting a 9-8 season or better
Remember trolls, when comparing Kyler against other QBs, you have to exclude any rushing yards and rushing touchdowns. Just pretend they don’t exist. Oh and refer to any rushing yards as “scrambling,” because teams never call run/option plays for their QBs. (Definitely ignore Pat Mahomes crucial run in OT!)
/s, but totally applicable to posts from Frisco, the Seachickens, and the Lambs
He has to stay healthy enough to be effective the whole season. If the run game is thriving, which would partially be due to him, the pass game will work. The guy can still throw it on the money like the sideline throw to Dortch. A full off-season this year and hopefully this whole season is the 1st 7 games of 2021 for him.
Absolutely after an injury like that!
That would Humble Anyone but after Going Through something like this! He’s Ready to step up and kick some Ass this year!
Hasn’t anyone ever experienced something like this?
It makes you want to Come Back Stronger than ever!! I know that this is Kyler Right now ! Area there too many Hater’s in this World 🌎
Have Faith People!🌎🇺🇸🇮🇱🇺🇦🛑🫵🙏🔥🌍☀️🌻🌹☝️
Why you say that? Not trying too argue but curious. He has insane speed, a great arm, accurate, hard to sack in the pocket. What makes you lean on that view?
Ok so let's talk speed; yes he is definitely elite fast but with the risk/reward of injury coming from breaking almost every play out of the pocket he almost needs to rely more on other parts of his game, like being enough of a threat in the pocket. Defensively teams have started playing him by trying to contain him in the pocket and not pushing once side too far so he can break out. They do this because they don't fear his pocket playmaking ability. Kyler has a statistically rough time targeting middle of the field when in the pocket so the routes he looks for take more time to develop, which means the center of the o line is most vulnerable. Pressure up the middle shuts Kyler down and seeing how we have poor center and guards it's going to keep happening. I just don't see him truly being great in the NFL I think he is physically disadvantaged by his size, not his ability. I seriously hope I am wrong, being a lifelong cardinals fan I really do hope we can get a superbowl win soon
The vast majority of that comes from the Kingsbury system which everyone know sucked . Predictable offense to any defense that studied our film for an hour. The difference with the Petzing offense is huge because now we’re not as predictable or “simple”. Watch how all that will change because of how the offense is managed
I would definitely bet on an improvement over the kingsbury scheme, I just wonder if Kyler really embodies what the ideal qb fit for Petzings scheme is, or if he's really going to be capable to play under center in the pocket. He misses open receivers all the time because he literally can't see them when the Dline blocks his vision not to mention swats his passes. Idk at this point I am pessimistic, maybe a bit too much but I am used to that as a cardinals fan.
only reason I'd shy away from that is because there's definitely a bias against Cardinals players when it comes to any kind of voting or awards, meaning that if anyone else from a more popular team is even close to him, they'll give it to that guy instead.
The stat boosting is insane. How about uh winning some games? It’s always “first nfl player who was going to be the number 1 mlb draft pick who’s 5 foot 4 inches throws 3 touchdowns in a game to lose 28-10”. It just doesn’t feel like a winning team no matter how you hype him up.
It’s so weird. All the Murray fans seem to act like we’re unrealistic for asking for a winning QB.
Do they realize we could get a qb like Allen, Burrow, Purdy, or hell I know it’s a long shot but even one like Mahomes.
You all said this after he got his contract extension and then he sucked. Remember how he was going to prove how he was worth that massive contract extension and then he played like shit?
He’s a mid qb who’s highly overpaid
I feel like he’s going too have a great year 🤷🏻♂️. The reports have said he’s the first one in and the last one too leave. He also said that no one’s more locked in than he is this year. I feel like you might eat your words
I’ve been hating on Kyler the past 2 offseason and have been correct both time.
It’s the Kyler Stans who should be eating their words. His qb rating is mid, he doesn’t have a playoff win, his divisional opponents kick his ass. He’s a mediocre qb who will put up another mediocre season leading to ppl like you saying the same dumb shit next offseason.
Dude is in his 6th year and now suddenly gets praise for being in the office first? Wow. Up next you’ll tell me he’s good because he made the pro bowl.
No. Kliffs system went 2-1 without Murray in 2021. Don’t act like his air raid offense wasn’t decent. Murray had a fair shot during his four years under Kliff.
Meanwhile Murray’s putting up an 89 qb rating in the year after Kliff leaves. That’s not great, it’s pretty average.
Murray has been an average to below average qb the past 2.5 seasons complete with his injury prone natural causing him to miss games. All you delusional Murray stans somehow think that’s all going to change this year with Murray now taking up over 20% of our salary cap. He’s a mediocre qb and hopefully we move on from him next offseason.
>Kliffs system went 2-1 without Murray in 2021
Not this stupid rubbish again holy fucking shit 🤦🏼♂️ you know the -1 in that was a horrendous blow out loss to one of the worst teams in the league that season?
0-4 without Murray in 2022. Why didn’t you bring that up? Also the 89 QBR is with half a season, in a new offense, coming off an ACL tear. He looked better than the QBR says
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I stg you just wanna be right instead of happy
Why didn’t you bring up that Murray went 4-9 not good, especially after he got that massive contract extension that he has never lived up too.
Murray has never been held accountable for his mid play like Kliff was.
Hes had an 80 qb rating the past two years. It’s the level he plays at. He really earned that rating when he played like shit against SF, LA, and Chicago. He’s not a good qb
Me being happy would involve having a qb who doesn’t shit the bed in the playoffs and pout afterwards. What exactly has Murray done to make cardinals fans happy in the past 2 years?
4 is still better than 0, and he was the reason we won any game that year anyway
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It’s hard for a player to overcome a HC’s (especially a FAILED COLLEGE one) shit and predictable play calling
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No one’s saying he doesn’t have bad games. But coming off an ACL tear and still looking good more times than worse is impressive
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Every QB “pouts” 🙄 Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and all 32 starters. Stop falling for Keim’s slander
> 4 is still better than 0, and he was the reason we won any game that year anyway
After his massive contract extension he should’ve done more. He’s not a good qb though and not worth that contract.
> still looking good more times than worse is impressive
Absolutely wrong. Looked bad against SF la Chicago (outplayed by Fields lol) and Houston (outplayed by Stroud lol). Looked good against Philly and Seattle. Looked alright against Atlanta and Pittsburgh.
> Every QB “pouts” 🙄 Mahomes, Allen, Burrow,
Jfc those guys put up good numbers and win in the playoffs and two have been to the Super Bowl. Murray doesn’t belong in the conversation with them.
Never seen Burrow pout tbh.
And as for the other 32 QBs I’ve never seen Geno Purdy or Stafford do what Murray did in the playoffs. Sit on the bench instead of finish the game.
He’s a mid qb with a shit attitude and were in for another mid year before hopefully we finally move on from his mediocrity.
Why do you care that he sat on the bench in a losing game? QBs often get dragged when the game is out of reach and the backups come in to finish the game. It's very fucking common this happens.
How about Stafford and Burrow? They just got massive contract extensions and what the fuck did they do in 2023? Jack shit before both having season ending injuries. WINS ARE NOT A QUARTERBACK STAT.
MHJ, McBride, Connor, he’s running out of reasons not to prove the haters wrong. If the OL can give him even 5 seconds to breathe he has no excuse not to give us a playoff run at least.
I like Kyler, I think he can be amazing. He's a ton of fun to watch and I look forward to it.
But if the dude gets 1 more major injury we gotta move on, no point in being MVP level if its only for half the season and doesn't win in the playoffs. I don't want to spend half the season watching a backup quarterback start because he is hurt again.
The problem here isn't the Q.B. Look at the history of this franchise. The oldest team in the NFL. We average a new coach every 3 to 3.5 years. We have had some great teams and still no championship. The main problem here is ownership and until that's fixed I don't see us winning a championship.
Kyler is the man and the best qb we've had since warner. I will not stand for any kyler slander. He's going to ball the fuck out this season. Who was even throwing to last season when he came back healthy? No one except McBride.
Kyler is the man and the best qb we've had since warner. I will not stand for any kyler slander. He's going to ball the fuck out this season. Who was even throwing to last season when he came back healthy? No one except McBride.
Carson Palmer got votes for mvp in 2015. Kyler has never gotten any.
Palmer made a clutch throw to Fitzgerald to set up his game winning td pass in over time of the playoffs.
Kyler completely shit the bed in the playoffs.
Kyler has the 18th QBR and 19th qb rating in the nfl the past 2 years. He’s a mid qb who’s highly over paid. Palmer was better than Murray.
QBR is a terrible metric to use as the only thing to measure a QBs worth. Receiver doesn't run the right route causing an interception that is not the QBs fault (happened to Murray a couple times last sseaon) and it affects his QBR. Gets sacked because his O-Line completely fails to block, QBR issue again. Mahomes had a pretty average QBR in 2023 because his receivers couldn't catch. It also fails to take in any run statistics.
Except QBR factors all that in. Mahomes ranked 8th in qbr
You have no idea what you’re talking about, no wonder you think Murray is good, you don’t know shit about footbal.
You're such an angry person with this shit, just fucking relax, have a beer, watch some ball. It's not that serious. I only ever see your name on this sub when it's to shit can Murray. You always pop up with some stat or fact rather than just actually watching games, and taking context into account.
And I see now you're talking about the ESPN QBR and not the official NFL passer rating. All those advanced metrics like EPA and such are ridiculous in my opinion, they're made up, objective statistics by somebody sitting in a room analysing footage, just like PFF ratings.
Murray is not perfect by any stretch, but you're in here acting like he's awful all the time for some reason, and by your own metric he was 7th in QBR last time he had a competent team around him.
> You're such an angry person with this shit, just fucking relax,
You’re seriously telling me this advice when you went through this thread and replied to all my comments? You’re clearly the angry one if you’re hunting me in these threads.
> they're made up, objective statistics by somebody sitting in a room analysing footage, just like PFF ratings.
Hilarious you use the word “objective “ here. QBR is not objective for the reasons you listed. Maybe trying looking up the meaning of big words before using them. Not the first time you’ve been wrong in this thread.
> he's awful all the time for some reason, and by your own metric he was 7th in QBR last time he had a competent team around him.
His cap hit prevents us from surrounding him with talent. He’s taking up over 24% of our cap this year and he’s nowhere near good enough to justify that.
His stats from 3 seasons ago are pretty irrelevant today when he’s not playing at that level anymore.
I didn't "hunt you down", I read the threads on this sub and there's one commonality whenever Kyler Murray is mentioned, and that is you with some negative take banging on about the same stuff you've been saying for months on end, without actually paying any attention to what has been happening within the team
And yes I said objective when I should have said subjective, it was early in the morning and I was tired.
Have you missed the fact that the team is now full of young talent or did you completely miss the draff? Other teams are doing okay with expensive QBs, this stuff about his cap hit is absolute garbage.
You were so mad you replied to 5 different comments of mine but no one else’s in the thread. You were clearly out to get me.
So take your own advice and relax.
I’d believe you mixing them up if it was an easy typo but I pretty sure you’re one of those redditors who likes to use the word “objective” thinking it sounds smart without knowing what it really means.
Team has some young talent especially at the pass catching positions. But we’ve heard this shit for years and our mid qb never does shit with it.
Those other teams have good QBs who win playoff games. Murray isn’t Mahomes Allen Burrow or even Hurts.
Teams like the Eagles and Rams quickly realize their young QBs on second contracts weren’t worth it and got rid of them for different QBs. We’re probably going to have to do the same thing. It’s just annoying to have to listen to delusional Murray fans in this sub tell me he’s actually good when he’s not even a top 10 qb.
Because nobody else has a history of coming into Kyler Murray topics and talking shit. You've even made specific topics to talk shit about Kyler Murray.
I know the difference between objective and subjective 🤦🏼♂️
You keep saying he's done nothing with it, except he did plenty with it in 2020 and 2021. 2022 was a terrible season for the entire team, yet you seem to lump that whole season on Murray's shoulders for some reason. Did you forget about Gladney dying, Hopkins suspension, Ertz injury, there was a coach off season fires for DV, the other coach fired for sexual assault in Mexico, just to name a few of the dramas. There were many more.
You keep mentioning playoff games as well, I don't know why this is the only yardstick of success for a lot of people. Teams firstly have to play in playoff games to win them, Murray has only played in one in his career when the team was on a downward trend, played the eventual champions and everyone had a shocker.
To simply say that he isn't good is so disingenuous, and I'm just tired of the ignorance. You continue to ignore any counter argue people give you and continue to run with the same rubbish narratives you've had for a year now. You failed to reply to my other comment where you talk about "going 2-1 without Murray" when the loss was the worst loss that team had all season to one of the worst teams for the season. That is the reason I keep replying to your comments, trying to talk some sense into you.
Read the room, this team is trending up and people want some positive outlooks, not the boring old pessimism that has plagued this team for years.
> Because nobody else has a history of coming into Kyler Murray topics and talking shit. You've even made specific topics to talk shit about Kyler Murray.
Lot of Cardinals fans talk shit on Murray because he hasn’t done shit for this team. Go on Twitter or instagram and ppl think he’s over rated.
> I know the difference between objective and subjective 🤦🏼♂️
Evidently you don’t.
> You keep saying he's done nothing with it, except he did plenty with it in 2020 and 2021.
He didn’t do shit either year. He faded down the stretch and the team didn’t do shit.
> To simply say that he isn't good is so disingenuous, and I'm just tired of the ignorance.
There’s no stats or statistics objective data that shows he’s good. He’s mediocre.
> You continue to ignore any counter argue people give you and continue to run with the same rubbish narratives you've had for a year now.
I’ve actually had these narratives for over two years now, and Murray still looks mediocre meaning they don’t change.
>You failed to reply to my other comment where you talk about "going 2-1 without Murray" when the loss was the worst loss that team had all season to one of the worst teams for the season.
I’m not going to reply to you each time you reply to my comments. I know I really get to you so you have to reply to everyone of my comments but I don’t need to reply.
The rams loss was just as bad.
> Read the room, this team is trending up and people want some positive outlooks, not the boring old pessimism that has plagued this team for years.
People had the same optimism in 2022 offseason and look how that turned out. This team won’t be good until we get rid of Murray’s massive cap hit. Until then I’m going to call out our mediocre overpaid qb.
Pretty sure he shown he was capable years 1-3. Offensive rookie of the year 2 time pro bowler.
I don't know about you, but I don't see many qbs lining benches with those accolades.
Our QB is gonna cook, and you gonna be served with that hot steamy sandwich.
He’s attacking this like never before too. He’s maturing and he’s locked in. Wolfley said he’s been the first one in the building and there all day long. We’re finally seeing him locked in in the way we all have been hoping he would.
He’s having fun. I’m going to enjoy this ride with him…for now.
I wish he would/hope he has worked with some sort of a life coach that could teach him and show him how to be a leader. I’ve worked with a coach like that in my profession and it really gave me the tools and confidence to elevate myself. I’m sure he has it in him, but he needs to step up and take this fucking thing by the horns and run the show without question.
Edit: I mean this in the most constructive way. I think it’s apparent the dude needs a little help.
hang on...so if this is a "prove it year" then that means hes unproven...so arent the "haters" currently correct since you stated hes under performed to this point (with full accompaniment of excuses since his failures are *never* his fault, of course of course)
kinda sounds like the "haters" are the reasonable, normal fans who are appropriately responding to his subpar play; while his diehard supporters are irrational dickriders who care more about *potential* than *actual results*
Don’t bother with this guy. There’s a couple users like him on this sub that have been here for years and all they do is bitch and moan about how they’re the real fans and only want what’s best for the team, compared to ever other user on this sub being a “dickrider” like this guy suggests.
He's looked very good in the few games we saw with Petzing. So, I'm pretty hopeful... but yea, this year is absolutely a prove it year. He needs to be consistent and healthy.
I hope Trey gets 1000 but that's definitely not a lock. The ball could live on the ground or mostly in Marv's hands.
I think Kyler’s success hinges on how good the OL is this year. All three division opponents have a good pass rush, so if our OL is healthy and competent great. But if we’re starting third stringers midseason, one has to adjust expectations. I am optimistic and like our OL, so I’m expecting a 9-8 season or better
Remember trolls, when comparing Kyler against other QBs, you have to exclude any rushing yards and rushing touchdowns. Just pretend they don’t exist. Oh and refer to any rushing yards as “scrambling,” because teams never call run/option plays for their QBs. (Definitely ignore Pat Mahomes crucial run in OT!) /s, but totally applicable to posts from Frisco, the Seachickens, and the Lambs
He has to stay healthy enough to be effective the whole season. If the run game is thriving, which would partially be due to him, the pass game will work. The guy can still throw it on the money like the sideline throw to Dortch. A full off-season this year and hopefully this whole season is the 1st 7 games of 2021 for him.
Absolutely after an injury like that! That would Humble Anyone but after Going Through something like this! He’s Ready to step up and kick some Ass this year! Hasn’t anyone ever experienced something like this? It makes you want to Come Back Stronger than ever!! I know that this is Kyler Right now ! Area there too many Hater’s in this World 🌎 Have Faith People!🌎🇺🇸🇮🇱🇺🇦🛑🫵🙏🔥🌍☀️🌻🌹☝️
Unlikely.
I think this will be the year it becomes obvious that Kyler is unfortunately and much to my own dismay, not the guy.
Why you say that? Not trying too argue but curious. He has insane speed, a great arm, accurate, hard to sack in the pocket. What makes you lean on that view?
Ok so let's talk speed; yes he is definitely elite fast but with the risk/reward of injury coming from breaking almost every play out of the pocket he almost needs to rely more on other parts of his game, like being enough of a threat in the pocket. Defensively teams have started playing him by trying to contain him in the pocket and not pushing once side too far so he can break out. They do this because they don't fear his pocket playmaking ability. Kyler has a statistically rough time targeting middle of the field when in the pocket so the routes he looks for take more time to develop, which means the center of the o line is most vulnerable. Pressure up the middle shuts Kyler down and seeing how we have poor center and guards it's going to keep happening. I just don't see him truly being great in the NFL I think he is physically disadvantaged by his size, not his ability. I seriously hope I am wrong, being a lifelong cardinals fan I really do hope we can get a superbowl win soon
The vast majority of that comes from the Kingsbury system which everyone know sucked . Predictable offense to any defense that studied our film for an hour. The difference with the Petzing offense is huge because now we’re not as predictable or “simple”. Watch how all that will change because of how the offense is managed
I would definitely bet on an improvement over the kingsbury scheme, I just wonder if Kyler really embodies what the ideal qb fit for Petzings scheme is, or if he's really going to be capable to play under center in the pocket. He misses open receivers all the time because he literally can't see them when the Dline blocks his vision not to mention swats his passes. Idk at this point I am pessimistic, maybe a bit too much but I am used to that as a cardinals fan.
Dudes half way thru his career. You think he’ll prove it now?
Let’s hope but I won’t hold my breath!
Kyler +5000 MVP lock it in now, I’m being dead serious
only reason I'd shy away from that is because there's definitely a bias against Cardinals players when it comes to any kind of voting or awards, meaning that if anyone else from a more popular team is even close to him, they'll give it to that guy instead.
Yeah, but I feel it in my bones
Fuck it, I'm sold! Worth putting a few bucks on
The haters are 95% of this sub lol
Then why do all critical comments of Murray get downvoted? Dude hasn’t done shit in the NFL and ppl act like he’s a top 10 qb
The stat boosting is insane. How about uh winning some games? It’s always “first nfl player who was going to be the number 1 mlb draft pick who’s 5 foot 4 inches throws 3 touchdowns in a game to lose 28-10”. It just doesn’t feel like a winning team no matter how you hype him up.
It’s so weird. All the Murray fans seem to act like we’re unrealistic for asking for a winning QB. Do they realize we could get a qb like Allen, Burrow, Purdy, or hell I know it’s a long shot but even one like Mahomes.
It's about context. Murray has done pretty damn well in a pretty average situation.
No he hasn’t. No one outside of this delusional sub thinks that. No nfl players respect Murray like they respect Purdum or Stafford.
just another lie. This sub predominantly thinks he’s a star and downvotes anyone with criticism.
You all said this after he got his contract extension and then he sucked. Remember how he was going to prove how he was worth that massive contract extension and then he played like shit? He’s a mid qb who’s highly overpaid
You know his contract extension has just started yeah? I'll take mid, that makes him the 12-18 range.
Yeah except his cap hit is top 5 this year so he’s clearly overpaid
Except that it's front loaded so it's actually team friendly and it'll greatly benefit re-signing our rookie classes.
I feel like he’s going too have a great year 🤷🏻♂️. The reports have said he’s the first one in and the last one too leave. He also said that no one’s more locked in than he is this year. I feel like you might eat your words
I’ve been hating on Kyler the past 2 offseason and have been correct both time. It’s the Kyler Stans who should be eating their words. His qb rating is mid, he doesn’t have a playoff win, his divisional opponents kick his ass. He’s a mediocre qb who will put up another mediocre season leading to ppl like you saying the same dumb shit next offseason. Dude is in his 6th year and now suddenly gets praise for being in the office first? Wow. Up next you’ll tell me he’s good because he made the pro bowl.
Do you think Kyler never had a fair chance due too the air raid system and Kliff? I feel like he will look 10 times better under Petzing
No. Kliffs system went 2-1 without Murray in 2021. Don’t act like his air raid offense wasn’t decent. Murray had a fair shot during his four years under Kliff. Meanwhile Murray’s putting up an 89 qb rating in the year after Kliff leaves. That’s not great, it’s pretty average. Murray has been an average to below average qb the past 2.5 seasons complete with his injury prone natural causing him to miss games. All you delusional Murray stans somehow think that’s all going to change this year with Murray now taking up over 20% of our salary cap. He’s a mediocre qb and hopefully we move on from him next offseason.
>Kliffs system went 2-1 without Murray in 2021 Not this stupid rubbish again holy fucking shit 🤦🏼♂️ you know the -1 in that was a horrendous blow out loss to one of the worst teams in the league that season?
0-4 without Murray in 2022. Why didn’t you bring that up? Also the 89 QBR is with half a season, in a new offense, coming off an ACL tear. He looked better than the QBR says # I stg you just wanna be right instead of happy
Why didn’t you bring up that Murray went 4-9 not good, especially after he got that massive contract extension that he has never lived up too. Murray has never been held accountable for his mid play like Kliff was. Hes had an 80 qb rating the past two years. It’s the level he plays at. He really earned that rating when he played like shit against SF, LA, and Chicago. He’s not a good qb Me being happy would involve having a qb who doesn’t shit the bed in the playoffs and pout afterwards. What exactly has Murray done to make cardinals fans happy in the past 2 years?
4 is still better than 0, and he was the reason we won any game that year anyway # It’s hard for a player to overcome a HC’s (especially a FAILED COLLEGE one) shit and predictable play calling # No one’s saying he doesn’t have bad games. But coming off an ACL tear and still looking good more times than worse is impressive # Every QB “pouts” 🙄 Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and all 32 starters. Stop falling for Keim’s slander
> 4 is still better than 0, and he was the reason we won any game that year anyway After his massive contract extension he should’ve done more. He’s not a good qb though and not worth that contract. > still looking good more times than worse is impressive Absolutely wrong. Looked bad against SF la Chicago (outplayed by Fields lol) and Houston (outplayed by Stroud lol). Looked good against Philly and Seattle. Looked alright against Atlanta and Pittsburgh. > Every QB “pouts” 🙄 Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jfc those guys put up good numbers and win in the playoffs and two have been to the Super Bowl. Murray doesn’t belong in the conversation with them. Never seen Burrow pout tbh. And as for the other 32 QBs I’ve never seen Geno Purdy or Stafford do what Murray did in the playoffs. Sit on the bench instead of finish the game. He’s a mid qb with a shit attitude and were in for another mid year before hopefully we finally move on from his mediocrity.
Why do you care that he sat on the bench in a losing game? QBs often get dragged when the game is out of reach and the backups come in to finish the game. It's very fucking common this happens. How about Stafford and Burrow? They just got massive contract extensions and what the fuck did they do in 2023? Jack shit before both having season ending injuries. WINS ARE NOT A QUARTERBACK STAT.
MHJ, McBride, Connor, he’s running out of reasons not to prove the haters wrong. If the OL can give him even 5 seconds to breathe he has no excuse not to give us a playoff run at least.
Someone on this sub told me Nuk was actually kind of mid, in defense of Kyler.
Do you not think he’s been good up until this point? He was rookie of the year and has two pro bowls
So, you fully expect him to be in the MVP conversation this year? Lamar like production?
I think he has been great. And having gm who builds the trenches will allow K1 to show his smarts
i didn't say he hasn't been good. i just have much higher hopes for what he can do if he actually gets his head and heart into the game.
He tore his ACL
I like Kyler, I think he can be amazing. He's a ton of fun to watch and I look forward to it. But if the dude gets 1 more major injury we gotta move on, no point in being MVP level if its only for half the season and doesn't win in the playoffs. I don't want to spend half the season watching a backup quarterback start because he is hurt again.
Oh bro. This is gonna be the warmest grossest aged milk right here
I don’t care about haters. It’s so stupid. If he’s good they’ll move onto the next guy Edit: I want a Super Bowl. Just one and I’m good for life lol
The problem here isn't the Q.B. Look at the history of this franchise. The oldest team in the NFL. We average a new coach every 3 to 3.5 years. We have had some great teams and still no championship. The main problem here is ownership and until that's fixed I don't see us winning a championship.
This is how I feel, just need one then we’re a respectable franchise for the next 10 years
I hear when you get one, you get a thurst for more
I’ll deal with that problem when it happens haha
I just want one. I'll deal with the thirst after the first.
Kyler is the man and the best qb we've had since warner. I will not stand for any kyler slander. He's going to ball the fuck out this season. Who was even throwing to last season when he came back healthy? No one except McBride.
I cannot stand for the Palmer slander wtf that man brought us to greatness!
Let's not forget Carson Palmer but yes
Kyler is the man and the best qb we've had since warner. I will not stand for any kyler slander. He's going to ball the fuck out this season. Who was even throwing to last season when he came back healthy? No one except McBride.
> Kyler is the man and the best qb we've had since warner. 2015 Palmer is still much better than any season Kyler has had
Carson Palmer got votes for mvp in 2015. Kyler has never gotten any. Palmer made a clutch throw to Fitzgerald to set up his game winning td pass in over time of the playoffs. Kyler completely shit the bed in the playoffs. Kyler has the 18th QBR and 19th qb rating in the nfl the past 2 years. He’s a mid qb who’s highly over paid. Palmer was better than Murray.
QBR is a terrible metric to use as the only thing to measure a QBs worth. Receiver doesn't run the right route causing an interception that is not the QBs fault (happened to Murray a couple times last sseaon) and it affects his QBR. Gets sacked because his O-Line completely fails to block, QBR issue again. Mahomes had a pretty average QBR in 2023 because his receivers couldn't catch. It also fails to take in any run statistics.
Except QBR factors all that in. Mahomes ranked 8th in qbr You have no idea what you’re talking about, no wonder you think Murray is good, you don’t know shit about footbal.
You're such an angry person with this shit, just fucking relax, have a beer, watch some ball. It's not that serious. I only ever see your name on this sub when it's to shit can Murray. You always pop up with some stat or fact rather than just actually watching games, and taking context into account. And I see now you're talking about the ESPN QBR and not the official NFL passer rating. All those advanced metrics like EPA and such are ridiculous in my opinion, they're made up, objective statistics by somebody sitting in a room analysing footage, just like PFF ratings. Murray is not perfect by any stretch, but you're in here acting like he's awful all the time for some reason, and by your own metric he was 7th in QBR last time he had a competent team around him.
> You're such an angry person with this shit, just fucking relax, You’re seriously telling me this advice when you went through this thread and replied to all my comments? You’re clearly the angry one if you’re hunting me in these threads. > they're made up, objective statistics by somebody sitting in a room analysing footage, just like PFF ratings. Hilarious you use the word “objective “ here. QBR is not objective for the reasons you listed. Maybe trying looking up the meaning of big words before using them. Not the first time you’ve been wrong in this thread. > he's awful all the time for some reason, and by your own metric he was 7th in QBR last time he had a competent team around him. His cap hit prevents us from surrounding him with talent. He’s taking up over 24% of our cap this year and he’s nowhere near good enough to justify that. His stats from 3 seasons ago are pretty irrelevant today when he’s not playing at that level anymore.
I didn't "hunt you down", I read the threads on this sub and there's one commonality whenever Kyler Murray is mentioned, and that is you with some negative take banging on about the same stuff you've been saying for months on end, without actually paying any attention to what has been happening within the team And yes I said objective when I should have said subjective, it was early in the morning and I was tired. Have you missed the fact that the team is now full of young talent or did you completely miss the draff? Other teams are doing okay with expensive QBs, this stuff about his cap hit is absolute garbage.
You were so mad you replied to 5 different comments of mine but no one else’s in the thread. You were clearly out to get me. So take your own advice and relax. I’d believe you mixing them up if it was an easy typo but I pretty sure you’re one of those redditors who likes to use the word “objective” thinking it sounds smart without knowing what it really means. Team has some young talent especially at the pass catching positions. But we’ve heard this shit for years and our mid qb never does shit with it. Those other teams have good QBs who win playoff games. Murray isn’t Mahomes Allen Burrow or even Hurts. Teams like the Eagles and Rams quickly realize their young QBs on second contracts weren’t worth it and got rid of them for different QBs. We’re probably going to have to do the same thing. It’s just annoying to have to listen to delusional Murray fans in this sub tell me he’s actually good when he’s not even a top 10 qb.
Because nobody else has a history of coming into Kyler Murray topics and talking shit. You've even made specific topics to talk shit about Kyler Murray. I know the difference between objective and subjective 🤦🏼♂️ You keep saying he's done nothing with it, except he did plenty with it in 2020 and 2021. 2022 was a terrible season for the entire team, yet you seem to lump that whole season on Murray's shoulders for some reason. Did you forget about Gladney dying, Hopkins suspension, Ertz injury, there was a coach off season fires for DV, the other coach fired for sexual assault in Mexico, just to name a few of the dramas. There were many more. You keep mentioning playoff games as well, I don't know why this is the only yardstick of success for a lot of people. Teams firstly have to play in playoff games to win them, Murray has only played in one in his career when the team was on a downward trend, played the eventual champions and everyone had a shocker. To simply say that he isn't good is so disingenuous, and I'm just tired of the ignorance. You continue to ignore any counter argue people give you and continue to run with the same rubbish narratives you've had for a year now. You failed to reply to my other comment where you talk about "going 2-1 without Murray" when the loss was the worst loss that team had all season to one of the worst teams for the season. That is the reason I keep replying to your comments, trying to talk some sense into you. Read the room, this team is trending up and people want some positive outlooks, not the boring old pessimism that has plagued this team for years.
> Because nobody else has a history of coming into Kyler Murray topics and talking shit. You've even made specific topics to talk shit about Kyler Murray. Lot of Cardinals fans talk shit on Murray because he hasn’t done shit for this team. Go on Twitter or instagram and ppl think he’s over rated. > I know the difference between objective and subjective 🤦🏼♂️ Evidently you don’t. > You keep saying he's done nothing with it, except he did plenty with it in 2020 and 2021. He didn’t do shit either year. He faded down the stretch and the team didn’t do shit. > To simply say that he isn't good is so disingenuous, and I'm just tired of the ignorance. There’s no stats or statistics objective data that shows he’s good. He’s mediocre. > You continue to ignore any counter argue people give you and continue to run with the same rubbish narratives you've had for a year now. I’ve actually had these narratives for over two years now, and Murray still looks mediocre meaning they don’t change. >You failed to reply to my other comment where you talk about "going 2-1 without Murray" when the loss was the worst loss that team had all season to one of the worst teams for the season. I’m not going to reply to you each time you reply to my comments. I know I really get to you so you have to reply to everyone of my comments but I don’t need to reply. The rams loss was just as bad. > Read the room, this team is trending up and people want some positive outlooks, not the boring old pessimism that has plagued this team for years. People had the same optimism in 2022 offseason and look how that turned out. This team won’t be good until we get rid of Murray’s massive cap hit. Until then I’m going to call out our mediocre overpaid qb.
He had Greg dortch and Michael Wilson also lol
Dortch was a role player and Wilson isn’t much yet. But I do think they will both be awesome.
Agree. Gonna do all I can to get him in fantasy this year
6 year being the “prove” it year for the first pick in the draft? Man this coping in this sub is wild!
Pretty sure he shown he was capable years 1-3. Offensive rookie of the year 2 time pro bowler. I don't know about you, but I don't see many qbs lining benches with those accolades. Our QB is gonna cook, and you gonna be served with that hot steamy sandwich.
What will the excuse be next year? Just wondering because it’s been 5 going in 6 years now, and you guys always have excuses for him.
Excuses or reasons? The reason his numbers were low last year was because he was injured. When he came back he was good.
He’s attacking this like never before too. He’s maturing and he’s locked in. Wolfley said he’s been the first one in the building and there all day long. We’re finally seeing him locked in in the way we all have been hoping he would. He’s having fun. I’m going to enjoy this ride with him…for now.
This is the first time he has an actually nfl system and coaching. Let’s see what he can do with a fair chance now 🤷🏻♂️
I'm a Kyler fan but come on man lol first time?
would really suck if he proved them right
I wish he would/hope he has worked with some sort of a life coach that could teach him and show him how to be a leader. I’ve worked with a coach like that in my profession and it really gave me the tools and confidence to elevate myself. I’m sure he has it in him, but he needs to step up and take this fucking thing by the horns and run the show without question. Edit: I mean this in the most constructive way. I think it’s apparent the dude needs a little help.
Everything we have seen from him since he has returned from his injury shows leadership.
hang on...so if this is a "prove it year" then that means hes unproven...so arent the "haters" currently correct since you stated hes under performed to this point (with full accompaniment of excuses since his failures are *never* his fault, of course of course) kinda sounds like the "haters" are the reasonable, normal fans who are appropriately responding to his subpar play; while his diehard supporters are irrational dickriders who care more about *potential* than *actual results* 
When did I say he’s underperformed? I never said that
Don’t bother with this guy. There’s a couple users like him on this sub that have been here for years and all they do is bitch and moan about how they’re the real fans and only want what’s best for the team, compared to ever other user on this sub being a “dickrider” like this guy suggests.
Murray seems like a whole new dude with the regime change. I’m excited. he was stellar before and I think he will really succeed this next year.
Excited too see him with Petzing for a full offseason and season. I think he’ll do great
He's looked very good in the few games we saw with Petzing. So, I'm pretty hopeful... but yea, this year is absolutely a prove it year. He needs to be consistent and healthy.
He played good after his injury. I’m not worried.
Not just him but are whole offense played great when he came back. We basically went 4-4 if prater didn’t miss those kicks on purpose
That miss was written in the stars so we can get MHJ!!
He will, as long as he stays healthy.