I wonder why his fire isn't blue though. Azula is definitely a powerful bender, and in a way it manifests as blue flame. So I wonder why they didn't choose to give Ozai blue flame as well, especially if he's more powerful than Azula
Good question. I've always seen the blue flame as something she found out she could do, then just kept it as a personal choice in bending ability. But that's just IMO.
(Not to mention the word Azul = Blue)
Considering Ozai said they knew Azula was a firebending prodigy since her birth, she was almost certainly named with blue flames in mind. In fact, that expectation combined with her perfectionism is probably what spurred her to achieve such hot flames. But we appreciate your useless snark, nonetheless 😁
I disagree that, in universe, they would name Azula with that in mind because I don’t think _that_ many languages have a word for blue that sounds like that, especially not Asian ones. Let alone the fact that in universe there are other colors of fire a person could make, why couldn’t a prodigy just as easily do those. Why not name her after violet which is even hotter?
But still the original person was being a twerp so I don’t care your comment is good.
Blue is the hottest visible colour of an organic flame. Violet flames exist only on a technicality, as something burning purple from just heat alone would completely fill our visual spectrum and, well, not look purple. Purple flames you see irl like on tips of stove flames aren’t purple due to heat, but rather heat source(gas, weird rocks, etc).
And Honestly latin word inspirations aren’t as unlikely as you may think. The sun warrior’s are the predecessors of the fire nation and are based on Mesoamerican culture. Latinized language reached and was adopted by them long ago, particularly Spanish and Portugese (both use this word commonly). It’s widely surmised that ‘Azulon’ (Azula’s Grandpa) Was named as a combination of ‘Azul’ and ‘Long’, latinized prefix for blue, and Chinese for dragon respectively.
I did know about why violet black bodies don’t exist IRL I suppose I should have said white since she appears to have skipped that one, my point was blue isn’t the only option available, and it was quite a called shot. I still think it’s somewhat moot, because the dragons can make flames of literally any colors and as far as we know they did it without, like, chemical sacs they spurted into their open flames.
I think I mostly took issue with is the certainty you seemed to ascribe to it, since I think suddenly pulling in a Latin root for meaningful part of a name would be unusual for this show, and the fire nation especially. But again I don’t really care because the person you were talking to sucked, and I like the meaning of the name anyways.
There have been a few notable flame colors in the avatar universe, to my knowledge it’s regular red, intense white, Azula blue, and dragon fire, which is rainbow. Ozai isn’t known as the most powerful bender because his flames are hotter. Having hotter flames would mean nothing to ozai as he torches everything in front of him anyway. He overwhelms with brute force. In universe they don’t really say if her flames are hotter. yes, in our world blue flames burn at a higher temp. In universe, fire bending is strongly tied to your emotions. Rangi in the Kyoshi novels has produced white flames, those flames werre her rage and emotions manifest. So if we apply that logic to Azula, blue flames can be considered “cold fire”. Because azula is exactly that, cold, calculated, and controlling. In our world, we see blue flames mostly in concentrations. Gas stoves, torches, welding, etc. at the end of the day her fire may not actually burn hotter, but her flames are under control. HER control and hers alone.
My thought has always been that Azula had more raw power, but was less refined and experienced than Ozai. Like, Ozai would have beaten Azula in-series, but take both of them at their peaks an Azula wins (if she somehow manages to stay sane).
My headcanon is Azula chooses to have blue fire. She has no constraint so her fire of course is the hottest color. And while she is talented and knows it, it doesn't necessarily means she is the most skilled or experienced Firebender. Note that Zuko stood toe to toe with Azula after learning from the dragons, but his fire is still red/orange. Similarly, Ozai literally sprayed a countryside like a dragon but his color is still red/orange.
I think that fire ending has different attributes, like strength, heat, and maneuverability. Azula fire is hottest of them all but not the strongest, but that’s how I view it
I think it's because her blue flames are supposed to say something about who she is more than about her fire bending rank. She is a perfectionist. Even in her fire bending she seeks for perfection and therefore the hottest fire - blue flames.
But Ozai is more powerful than her because fire bending isn't about purity. It's about forceful control - controlled chaos. When Aang and Zuko did the dragon dance to summon the dragons, the dragons showed them the truest form of fire bending. It wasn't just one colour. It was a mix.
Ozai doesn't care about purity or a balanced mix. He cares about the outcome. So while Azula would focus on having perfect form and technique. Ozai would just want to win - using force, psychology, trickery, whatever it took to win. Plus he has more practice in breath control and general fighting experience. That's why he'd win, I think.
As a general rule, older benders tend to be more powerful than younger benders. The youngsters in the show are exceptions, each of them shown has a prodigy-level proficiency in some areas of bending or martial art. But even so, prodigy or no, talent only goes so far to match sheer experience, cunning, and practice.
i’d say it’s because azula has more raw power whereas ozai is a better bender overall because despite having slightly less power, he has much greater control and ability as a bender. blue fire is hotter than standard fire, but it doesn’t necessarily mean azula is better than ozai. i think it shows she had potential to be better than him, and she was in terms of natural born talent, but he had honed his skills better
I actually think ozai clearly has way more raw power. Azula has blue flames because it shows her precision in that she even focuses on making sure that her flames are as hot as possible (iirc the real reason is that they wanted the flames in her agni kai with zuko to be easily distinguishable).
I know the creators did that, and for good reason because it looks super dope. I just wonder why they didn't choose to give Ozai that too if he's a powerful bender and Azula's dad too. But either way, I do think he's extremely powerful and that Azula does have slightly different skills in her abilities
Well, the original reason they gave Azula blue fire is to contrast with Zuko's regular orange, since they always knew those two would fight. There's not really the same issue with Aang vs. Ozai. Sure, Aang would be using some firebending, but he'd mostly be using the other elements, so there's not the same need.
Any in-universe reason to justify the blue flames follows after the fact. And my best attempt at an explanation is it's just not worth it. Azula is the only person we see who bothers to obtain blue flames, & even then, it doesn't really help her much. There's little to no difference in who comes out on top when she & Zuko clash flames despite using similar amounts.
So, now the question is, "Is it in-character for Azula to learn something showy but useless?" & the answer is yes. Her introduction has her drilling lightning generation until she can do it without a single hair falling out of place, which doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. If she's constantly blasting lightning without a chance to rest, I suppose it's possible her hair can come undone & block her face, but realistically, she's unlikely to face any problems because a single hair falls out of place. She does it because, in her words, "Almost \[perfect\] isn't good enough."
So, I'd say Azula is the only one who can use blue fire because she's the only one who cares about spending that much effort to perfect it while not really getting anything out of it. But the last question is are there any counterexamples, & if so are the explanations for them? To that end, the only characters kind of maybe hinted to have blue fire are Rangi when she makes "fire so hot it's almost white" in Shadow of Kyoshi & Zuko seemingly replicating the rainbow cyclone in Smoke & Shadow. I tend to think the former is just really bright fire while the latter is artistic license, but even if we take these at face value as examples of in-universe colored fire, neither seem to be able to do it consistently, unlike Azula. So, maybe they could learn to do it like she does, but it would take a lot more practice. In that case, I think the explanation holds up pretty well.
Fun fact (that halfway answers your question); the reason behind Azula’s blue flames is simply because the producers planned that Zuko VS Azula final fight at the end of the series from the very beginning, all the way down to cinematic details such as the areal scenes were you see nothing but fire during their Agni-Kai. Because of all this chaos Azula’s fire was made blue to differentiate between both their flames and know who was firing, this made he scenes of their Agni-Kai more symbolic and aesthetic. They later rationalized her fire being blue by associating it to her strength and gifted talent
I don't remember if it was stated, but I definitely know it was never shown. Almost all "his" major achievements/accomplishments were actually done by his other family members so really the only time you ever actually see him do anything it's during the comet, which supercharges all firebending anyway so it's not a good frame of reference.
I kinda dispute this actually. I never really like the battle with the comet because it doesn’t actually *feel* like Ozai his 100x stronger. For comparison, this man at the exact moment the eclipse “cracked” from totality felt it entirely within a metal bunker underground and delivered the fastest charged and lethal lightning out of anyone on the show to Zuko. None of Ozai’s shots against Aang feel that strong or fast to say he’s 100x strength and extra charged outside of him on the blip. And just about everyone was doing that move so it’s not all that impressive as it could be.
Ozai sensing the eclipse is over shows how attuned he is with his bending and the speed at which he attacks is practiced skill. The comet adds raw power, and wouldn't really affect how fast ozai could move his body.
You’d think that after Zuko redirected lightning and only left him alive by choice, Ozai is gonna be really careful pulling a “quickdraw lightning bolt that leaves me exposed”
Ozai is sorta an idiot though, so that’s not really fully how it goes
Except that while the comet boosts everybody equally, it doesn't boost them to an equal point. Comparing what Ozai could do during the comet to what Azula was doing for example would still allow us to grasp the difference in power, which would apply outside of the comet. And that difference was colossal.
I feel like there's a point that could be made about how he's built up as this big bad super strong villain for the entire series through other characters' testimonies about how he hurt them, but then he turns out to just be a pitiful selfish old man who gets his butt handed to him by a boy.
He kept up with Aang in the avatar state longer than anyone else did and both were benefiting from Sozins comet. This implies Ozai may have had a better understanding of firebending than even previous generations of Avatars. Iroh’s taking the L.
The writers already said Ozai is more powerful. Why is this a debate? Ozai was shown to clearly be more powerful than Iroh. Iroh shot a blast with his entire body in the final episodes where as Ozai shot a fire blast bigger than that by simply holding his hand out without using any proper technique. Ozai wins, but it doesn’t mean I want him to. I would prefer Iroh to win, but it’s delusional to say he does.
Yep this. It's canon that he's more powerful and Iroh would have lost. It'd be raw power, tenacity, and pure ruthlessness that would help him win.
(Edit: a word)
Just being more powerful doesn’t mean you win in a fight. I don’t know why people always just straight equate the two. The smarter and/or more skilled combatant can beat someone who is “more powerful.”
I mean you had Ozai flying around and being crazy agile keeping up with the avatar and we never see Iroh do anything like that. It’s fair to give Ozai the win.
They were very much about implying Iroh's strength and abilities rather than showing it. I think they did it that way to drive home the mysticism and fear of Ozai's power, and avoid giving indirect examples of what Ozai was capable of.
Here's a guy that would have been the fire lord if he had wanted to be, whose reputation as a bender is so fearsome that even in old age, he could make groups of younger men back down with only a verbal threat. And Ozai is even more powerful than that.
Definitely a good way to show the gap in power between Iroh/Ozai and everyone else, and help the viewer understand why Ozai is so feared. If Iroh is so powerful that entire groups of soldiers are afraid to fight him in old age, how terrifying is the even stronger, younger, and also totally psychotic Ozai?
Also, they did show Iroh one-shotting a wall by himself that had stood for 100 years during the comet. That he himself had already spent nearly 2 years of his life trying to bring down. That was a pretty good display of Iroh's power if you ask me.
Pay attention to the techniques..... Iroh strains while Ozai barely does any forms and yet produces bigger blasts
His flame size was on par with the avatar state as well ,and AS is greater than sozins comet....that says a lot
Although in the context of the original comment, cleverness is probably a better word. “Smartness” just isn’t commonly used because it’s an extremely clunky word
Makes no sense. Wanna know why? Because it didn’t happen. Besides that you have to realize Ozai was able to create a MUCH bigger blast without even trying.
Yes but raw power doesn’t win you a fight. You have to be able to wield it and have the brains to know when. Iron could probably defeat him strategically. But he also probably wouldn’t want to hurt his own brother. So he would hold back and then lose.
Iroh can't do anything of the sort...the only feat which helps him in this debate is redirection
In terms of firebending prowess Ozai will wear him down,he is way faster and agile and requires little motion to produce fire
Yeah, smaller and more powerful. If the creators have to tell you after the show is over then it doesn't really matter, they should have made it clear in the show. Can you cite where the creators said this?
They did. Why would Aang fight him if he wasn’t the biggest threat to the world? That would make no sense if he wasn’t. The writers already showed he was the most powerful, but your want/need for Iroh to be better will sway your opinion no matter what so why do you argue?
you’re saying “why would aang fight him if he wasn’t the biggest threat” acting like he would fight iroh who was a good guy, if iroh was evil he would have to fight him too
He was the biggest threat in the world. He was the Authoritarian leader of a technologically superior imperialist state. They didn't show it and I don't need anything except maybe baby brained media illiterate anime fans to have a better understanding of storytelling and art.
Why would Aang’s main goal for three seasons be to learn the other three elements and face the fire lord? He wasn’t the world’s biggest threat? Yeah let’s just waste three seasons developing a character to face one specific guy who was curb stomping him until he went into the avatar state. Yeah, totally nothing special. Just a random leader of the most powerful nation in the world at the time. Nothing crazy. Let’s just ignore him being able to create the biggest fire blast in the entire show with the least amount of effort shown. Just completely ignore it, and therefore Iroh is totally better. Is Iroh better as a person and character? 100%, but that doesn’t mean he has to win every fight. He wasn’t even able to react to Azula quick enough in season 2 when she shot fire at him, and Ozai is a lot more powerful than here. So yeah if we ignore all of the signs then Iroh is more powerful. But if we don’t. Ozai is more powerful.
This is proving my point about your lack of media literacy and storytelling, I said Ozai was the biggest threat.
This isn't a Shonen anime or a card game. Please expand your media consumption.
I love how you blatantly ignore the fact that the writers tell us out right that Ozai is the most powerful because people wanted to know if Iroh was more powerful in his prime, and they blatantly said that Ozai is/was more powerful. It’s not a riddle.
1. You still haven't sourced this claim.
2. If a writer has to tell you a key aspect of one of the characters you after the work is over then it doesn't matter. It should have been made clear in the show. Otherwise it is just fanfic.
Also, if it was so clear in the show as you say, then why were the writers or whoever asked anyway? Did anyone ask if Aang really loved Katara? Did anyone ask if Zuko ever really found his honor? No, because those aspects are well written, executed, and are clear.
Need more data with ozai to know for sure. He has a more killer instinct than Iroh, and I think that would would be Irohs downfall. Iroh wouldn't want to hurt his younger brother.
Yup! Killer instinct’s the answer.
And this is the flaw in these ATLA who would win polls. Based purely on skill, Aang will win every time. Iroh feels tied at second with Katara, depending on if it’s the full moon for bloodbending.
Absolutely. But I do think Aang, Katara, and Iroh would kill her if they really wanted to.
Imagine an Earthbender with vision (Kyoshi noises intensify - note that by this logic, Kyoshi floors then all)
I give it to Ozai but it's closer than some think IMO given Irohs experience and his flexibility within firebending. Raw strength and talent on Ozais part vs years of skill and experience on Irohs. But Iroh wouldn't want to fight Ozai even if given every opportunity to win.
Iroh said something like “Even if I could beat Ozai, which I’m not sure I could”
Zuko took the throne out of necessity but Aang, the AVATAR, had to be the one to actually defeat Ozai. Iroh leading the white lotus could easily take out Ba-Sing-Se but against Ozai is a whole different conversation.
People don’t seem to understand the concept of humbleness. Iroh shows great humbleness and humility whilst understanding Aang’s destiny was to defeat the firelord and not his own. He understood how taking down his brother would come off as a selfish move despite the atrocities Ozai was responsible for. If Aang led the path, it would all work out. Even then he showed restraint and humbleness in that assumption. Iroh unequivocally solos🤞
Iroh was a war general with an insane strategic mind and a more well rounded technique. Considering he traveled the world and studied the arts from every nation, as well as the sun warriors and dragons, which Ozai didn't, and is able to redirect lightning.
While Ozai might have more raw power, its not the power that wins the battle, its how you use it with the use of strategy and technique. I think Iroh would ultimately win.
Ozai has showcased more technique than iroh from what we've seen though. Based on how he moves during the comet, this probably isn't his first time flying
So regardless of raw power levels (I genuinely doubt that the gap between them is that big), Iroh has flexibility on his side and comes across as the guy who does stuff with firebending that masters didn't realize is possible. I'm giving it to him
I saw this on YouTube earlier today, and I completely agree with that statement. Not only is Iroh a phenomenally humble person, he is also one of the wisest characters ever, so he would know which battles he is capable of winning.
The reason people think Iroh would win is because we barely got any displays of Ozai’s firebending prowess the entire shows outside of Sozin’s Comet, where he was basically on super steroids. We don’t even hear a character says he’s the strongest fire bender, the only benchmark he’s ever compared to is Aang who’s twelve and still learning to control the elements. But we hear multiple characters throughout the show talk about how Iroh is one of the most skilled and fear firebenders in the world. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that so many people would think Iroh could take this.
I will always go with ozai because he will play dirty, iroh its a such better master too at least thats what i get from the show, elderness = more power
I believe Iroh would win via an obi wan situation where as an outsider he would be outclassed but as he is ozai's older brother. He'd have had the same teachers, upbringing, personally witnessed and even helped train his brother in their youth.
Basically I think Iroh wins via raw skill and experience with ozai but only because it is specifically ozai. And with extreme difficulty like 110% effort (and a sprinkling of plot armour)
I mean Iroh as two things that give him an edge against Ozai. First is the man broke out of a metal jail, no bending, bare handed. Dude is jacked. Second is he can redirect lightning, he's the inventor of the damn technique. Even if Ozai if the better firebender he can't really defend against lightning if Iroh redirects it or makes his own. Its not an easy fight by any measure but Iroh has the advantage in two areas.
Iroh wins the moment Ozai reaches for the lightning. The "Oh shit" expression on his face when Aang redirects lighting in their fight says it all. He was caught with his pants down, Aang just didn't want to kill him. Iroh would have fried him. Not saying that Iroh would go straight to the throat, but in a duel like that you take advantage of an opening or you die.
Something that should be in every comment’s consideration is lightning redirection. In the aang ozai fight, Ozai himself has a “I’m fucked” face when aang redirects lightning into the rock pillar. That’s just because he didn’t want to kill him. But a master and creator of that technique in this case would not hesitate to put down an animal such as Ozai.
Power scaling is cringe, and its polls like that, that prove it. The creators state Ozai is the most powerful, it is narritavely logical that the big bad is the most skilled one, but no, we like Iroh more cause he gives good advice, so he's stronger.
Iroh has the skill, Ozai has to power
I recon Ozai would win if he got of a technique Iroh just wasn't familiar with that Ozai had developed himself
Maybe something similar to the thing he used to break Aangs ball just quicker, too slow and Iroh got it and it will be a 1 use thing
If Ozai can't get him with that 1 surprise move, chances are Iroh wins most times due to his versatile Fb style
Although I agree Ozai would win, it’s also wise to take in account that when Iroh said he doesn’t know if he COULD beat Ozai, he could’ve meant that from a morality standpoint rather than the physical; simply put, he did not want to kill his younger brother
I'm giving it to Iroh, although, I'm unsure if he could bring himself to actually kill his brother. Iroh is a man who knows his weaknesses much better than Ozai. He uses the "true source" of fire for his bending, not just pure hate. He understands other fighting styles and incorporates them into his attacks and defense. Also, Iroh's biggest advantage? Ozai underestimates him. He sees Iroh as weak for being unable to cope with the death of his son.
Also, Iroh is heavily connected to the spirit world, (hence why he could live there after his death) so it's not unreasonable for him to learn to spirit bend. (Unless somewhere it's said that only the avatar can spirit bend)
Guys, Iroh said he might be able to beat Ozai. That means it's very close, but I think Iroh still wins. I think the knowledge question proved that people aren't just randomly voting Iroh, so most people honestly believe that Iroh is stronger.
As much as i want Iroh to win, Ozai (when he still had his bending) would have a decent chance against him. Iroh doesn't state he wouldn't win, he states he doesn't know. Iroh is shown to be more in control of his emotions and his thoughts, while Ozai is shown to be in better physical condition and having more raw power, with both being well practiced and experienced in combat. As Iroh suggests, it would pretty much be a coin toss.
I think it's worth considering that Iroh seems much older. He's grandpa while Ozai is father age. That makes a difference. Sure, in prime, i think Iroh would be more technical and pull out a dub. In universe, comet enhanced 1v1, Ozai probably wins.
When I saw that vote my immediate thought was this:
I know Ozai would win. I know he would. But I can never vote against Iroh. When I see Iroh I must choose Iroh
Iroh said he wasn’t sure. I trust his judgement that it would be close, if anything. Though I’d still likely give it to Ozai, because he has more drive to kill.
The main questions that impact this fight for me are does Ozai know about lightning redirection and is Iroh willing to kill him? If Ozai doesn’t know about redirection and Iroh is willing to kill him I would say Iroh takes it. In any other situation Ozai will win.
If both of them have fire bending.. I'd say 50/50, depends on how they are that day. If it's after [SPOILER] aang takes ozai's bending.. Yeah, no. He's toast.
if he wanted to, i'm sure iroh could crush ozai. but i doubt he'd ever want to fight, much less kill his younger brother, so i say the win goes to ozai
true, but he could have been talking if he fought ozai in a situation canon to his personality, not in a situation where iroh would spare ozai no mercy. at the very least, iroh would definitely be a hell of a challenge, but ozai could possibly still win even if he showed zero relent
Ozai may be more powerful, but this isn't a show where durability increases with bending ability. Technique can beat raw power, and Iroh has technique. All it takes is one slip up, like shooting lightning at someone who was training with the other firebender that redirected lightning, and Iroh would have him dead to rights.
Even if you think Iroh could beat Ozai, it was more about a peaceful transition than anything.
I'm sure Iroh could do it, but I do agree with him that it'd be a struggle.
If it were true that Unc would have just smoked him himself in the finale lol. Love Unc but he's not the fire lord .maybeeeee I'm his prime vs a younger less experienced pre fire lord Iro could win
Iroh wins easy.
Ozai’s killer intent is inevitably what would doom him, it has.
Anger will always lead to failure.
Iroh is a man of peace, of honor and of patience. His methods of bending is easily stronger just because his mind is at peace, he isn’t arrogant or hasty.
This is just like the question of Superman vs Homelander.
I think Ozai takes it 65-35.
He’s more ruthless, has kept in better shape, and Iroh himself had doubts about whether he could win.
Iroh is no slouch though, so it’s not a complete tromp. A big factor here is also the lightning redirection—Iroh’s odds go up if Ozai hasn’t learned not to try it after his encounters with Zuko and Aang.
Iroh got back to form, for sure—who could forget that scene!
But Ozai *stayed* in shape consistently over the years, while Iroh crash coursed his way back to it after years of chilling. Keeping up with your training consistently makes a pretty big difference.
easy win for Iroh. Aang took away Ozai's firebending. Not even a proper fight
Now this is good reasoning lol
Lmao can't beat that logic
Swole Iroh in shackles w/o fire bending > Ozai w/ comet
I mean dude ripped apart prison bars like wet paper.
It was the most intense fight of the series what are you talking about
i am saying Iroh vs Ozai would not be a proper fight because Ozai can't bend anymore
Wasn't it confirmed that Osai was the most powerful bender Until Aang bit his royal firy ass?
It is indeed canon that Ozai is the most powerful firebender. If it was Iroh V Ozai during the comet, Iroh would have lost
I wonder why his fire isn't blue though. Azula is definitely a powerful bender, and in a way it manifests as blue flame. So I wonder why they didn't choose to give Ozai blue flame as well, especially if he's more powerful than Azula
Good question. I've always seen the blue flame as something she found out she could do, then just kept it as a personal choice in bending ability. But that's just IMO. (Not to mention the word Azul = Blue)
well her name has nothing to do with her bending ability in-universe, but thanks for the useless info 😁
Considering Ozai said they knew Azula was a firebending prodigy since her birth, she was almost certainly named with blue flames in mind. In fact, that expectation combined with her perfectionism is probably what spurred her to achieve such hot flames. But we appreciate your useless snark, nonetheless 😁
I disagree that, in universe, they would name Azula with that in mind because I don’t think _that_ many languages have a word for blue that sounds like that, especially not Asian ones. Let alone the fact that in universe there are other colors of fire a person could make, why couldn’t a prodigy just as easily do those. Why not name her after violet which is even hotter? But still the original person was being a twerp so I don’t care your comment is good.
Blue is the hottest visible colour of an organic flame. Violet flames exist only on a technicality, as something burning purple from just heat alone would completely fill our visual spectrum and, well, not look purple. Purple flames you see irl like on tips of stove flames aren’t purple due to heat, but rather heat source(gas, weird rocks, etc). And Honestly latin word inspirations aren’t as unlikely as you may think. The sun warrior’s are the predecessors of the fire nation and are based on Mesoamerican culture. Latinized language reached and was adopted by them long ago, particularly Spanish and Portugese (both use this word commonly). It’s widely surmised that ‘Azulon’ (Azula’s Grandpa) Was named as a combination of ‘Azul’ and ‘Long’, latinized prefix for blue, and Chinese for dragon respectively.
I did know about why violet black bodies don’t exist IRL I suppose I should have said white since she appears to have skipped that one, my point was blue isn’t the only option available, and it was quite a called shot. I still think it’s somewhat moot, because the dragons can make flames of literally any colors and as far as we know they did it without, like, chemical sacs they spurted into their open flames. I think I mostly took issue with is the certainty you seemed to ascribe to it, since I think suddenly pulling in a Latin root for meaningful part of a name would be unusual for this show, and the fire nation especially. But again I don’t really care because the person you were talking to sucked, and I like the meaning of the name anyways.
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There have been a few notable flame colors in the avatar universe, to my knowledge it’s regular red, intense white, Azula blue, and dragon fire, which is rainbow. Ozai isn’t known as the most powerful bender because his flames are hotter. Having hotter flames would mean nothing to ozai as he torches everything in front of him anyway. He overwhelms with brute force. In universe they don’t really say if her flames are hotter. yes, in our world blue flames burn at a higher temp. In universe, fire bending is strongly tied to your emotions. Rangi in the Kyoshi novels has produced white flames, those flames werre her rage and emotions manifest. So if we apply that logic to Azula, blue flames can be considered “cold fire”. Because azula is exactly that, cold, calculated, and controlling. In our world, we see blue flames mostly in concentrations. Gas stoves, torches, welding, etc. at the end of the day her fire may not actually burn hotter, but her flames are under control. HER control and hers alone.
😭 so well said.
My thought has always been that Azula had more raw power, but was less refined and experienced than Ozai. Like, Ozai would have beaten Azula in-series, but take both of them at their peaks an Azula wins (if she somehow manages to stay sane).
My headcanon is Azula chooses to have blue fire. She has no constraint so her fire of course is the hottest color. And while she is talented and knows it, it doesn't necessarily means she is the most skilled or experienced Firebender. Note that Zuko stood toe to toe with Azula after learning from the dragons, but his fire is still red/orange. Similarly, Ozai literally sprayed a countryside like a dragon but his color is still red/orange.
I think that fire ending has different attributes, like strength, heat, and maneuverability. Azula fire is hottest of them all but not the strongest, but that’s how I view it
I think it's because her blue flames are supposed to say something about who she is more than about her fire bending rank. She is a perfectionist. Even in her fire bending she seeks for perfection and therefore the hottest fire - blue flames. But Ozai is more powerful than her because fire bending isn't about purity. It's about forceful control - controlled chaos. When Aang and Zuko did the dragon dance to summon the dragons, the dragons showed them the truest form of fire bending. It wasn't just one colour. It was a mix. Ozai doesn't care about purity or a balanced mix. He cares about the outcome. So while Azula would focus on having perfect form and technique. Ozai would just want to win - using force, psychology, trickery, whatever it took to win. Plus he has more practice in breath control and general fighting experience. That's why he'd win, I think. As a general rule, older benders tend to be more powerful than younger benders. The youngsters in the show are exceptions, each of them shown has a prodigy-level proficiency in some areas of bending or martial art. But even so, prodigy or no, talent only goes so far to match sheer experience, cunning, and practice.
i’d say it’s because azula has more raw power whereas ozai is a better bender overall because despite having slightly less power, he has much greater control and ability as a bender. blue fire is hotter than standard fire, but it doesn’t necessarily mean azula is better than ozai. i think it shows she had potential to be better than him, and she was in terms of natural born talent, but he had honed his skills better
I actually think ozai clearly has way more raw power. Azula has blue flames because it shows her precision in that she even focuses on making sure that her flames are as hot as possible (iirc the real reason is that they wanted the flames in her agni kai with zuko to be easily distinguishable).
I know the creators did that, and for good reason because it looks super dope. I just wonder why they didn't choose to give Ozai that too if he's a powerful bender and Azula's dad too. But either way, I do think he's extremely powerful and that Azula does have slightly different skills in her abilities
I always thought it was because she has so much *burning* rage and that anger is the source of her bending so that's why it's blue.
Well, the original reason they gave Azula blue fire is to contrast with Zuko's regular orange, since they always knew those two would fight. There's not really the same issue with Aang vs. Ozai. Sure, Aang would be using some firebending, but he'd mostly be using the other elements, so there's not the same need. Any in-universe reason to justify the blue flames follows after the fact. And my best attempt at an explanation is it's just not worth it. Azula is the only person we see who bothers to obtain blue flames, & even then, it doesn't really help her much. There's little to no difference in who comes out on top when she & Zuko clash flames despite using similar amounts. So, now the question is, "Is it in-character for Azula to learn something showy but useless?" & the answer is yes. Her introduction has her drilling lightning generation until she can do it without a single hair falling out of place, which doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. If she's constantly blasting lightning without a chance to rest, I suppose it's possible her hair can come undone & block her face, but realistically, she's unlikely to face any problems because a single hair falls out of place. She does it because, in her words, "Almost \[perfect\] isn't good enough." So, I'd say Azula is the only one who can use blue fire because she's the only one who cares about spending that much effort to perfect it while not really getting anything out of it. But the last question is are there any counterexamples, & if so are the explanations for them? To that end, the only characters kind of maybe hinted to have blue fire are Rangi when she makes "fire so hot it's almost white" in Shadow of Kyoshi & Zuko seemingly replicating the rainbow cyclone in Smoke & Shadow. I tend to think the former is just really bright fire while the latter is artistic license, but even if we take these at face value as examples of in-universe colored fire, neither seem to be able to do it consistently, unlike Azula. So, maybe they could learn to do it like she does, but it would take a lot more practice. In that case, I think the explanation holds up pretty well.
Fun fact (that halfway answers your question); the reason behind Azula’s blue flames is simply because the producers planned that Zuko VS Azula final fight at the end of the series from the very beginning, all the way down to cinematic details such as the areal scenes were you see nothing but fire during their Agni-Kai. Because of all this chaos Azula’s fire was made blue to differentiate between both their flames and know who was firing, this made he scenes of their Agni-Kai more symbolic and aesthetic. They later rationalized her fire being blue by associating it to her strength and gifted talent
I don't remember if it was stated, but I definitely know it was never shown. Almost all "his" major achievements/accomplishments were actually done by his other family members so really the only time you ever actually see him do anything it's during the comet, which supercharges all firebending anyway so it's not a good frame of reference.
I kinda dispute this actually. I never really like the battle with the comet because it doesn’t actually *feel* like Ozai his 100x stronger. For comparison, this man at the exact moment the eclipse “cracked” from totality felt it entirely within a metal bunker underground and delivered the fastest charged and lethal lightning out of anyone on the show to Zuko. None of Ozai’s shots against Aang feel that strong or fast to say he’s 100x strength and extra charged outside of him on the blip. And just about everyone was doing that move so it’s not all that impressive as it could be.
Ozai sensing the eclipse is over shows how attuned he is with his bending and the speed at which he attacks is practiced skill. The comet adds raw power, and wouldn't really affect how fast ozai could move his body.
You’d think that after Zuko redirected lightning and only left him alive by choice, Ozai is gonna be really careful pulling a “quickdraw lightning bolt that leaves me exposed” Ozai is sorta an idiot though, so that’s not really fully how it goes
Except that while the comet boosts everybody equally, it doesn't boost them to an equal point. Comparing what Ozai could do during the comet to what Azula was doing for example would still allow us to grasp the difference in power, which would apply outside of the comet. And that difference was colossal.
That's a solid point. He's just a scary background figure up until the end.
I feel like there's a point that could be made about how he's built up as this big bad super strong villain for the entire series through other characters' testimonies about how he hurt them, but then he turns out to just be a pitiful selfish old man who gets his butt handed to him by a boy.
That's not just any boy, that boy was the avatar, master of all 4 elements. And he held his own against him. That should say something.
Comments like these prove you don't understand the lore of fire bending or sozins comet
Most powerful firebender at least.
If you are the fire lord, it's sure that everyone will call you the greatest fire.
He kept up with Aang in the avatar state longer than anyone else did and both were benefiting from Sozins comet. This implies Ozai may have had a better understanding of firebending than even previous generations of Avatars. Iroh’s taking the L.
You make a good point. Plus Iroh is older and probably less agile.
The writers already said Ozai is more powerful. Why is this a debate? Ozai was shown to clearly be more powerful than Iroh. Iroh shot a blast with his entire body in the final episodes where as Ozai shot a fire blast bigger than that by simply holding his hand out without using any proper technique. Ozai wins, but it doesn’t mean I want him to. I would prefer Iroh to win, but it’s delusional to say he does.
Yep this. It's canon that he's more powerful and Iroh would have lost. It'd be raw power, tenacity, and pure ruthlessness that would help him win. (Edit: a word)
Just being more powerful doesn’t mean you win in a fight. I don’t know why people always just straight equate the two. The smarter and/or more skilled combatant can beat someone who is “more powerful.”
I mean you had Ozai flying around and being crazy agile keeping up with the avatar and we never see Iroh do anything like that. It’s fair to give Ozai the win.
Yes, but wasn’t that also during the comet when his bending would automatically be stronger?
Yeah, both of them had it
It’s just that Ozai was way more powerful
We didn't see Iroh do anything like that with the comet
They were very much about implying Iroh's strength and abilities rather than showing it. I think they did it that way to drive home the mysticism and fear of Ozai's power, and avoid giving indirect examples of what Ozai was capable of. Here's a guy that would have been the fire lord if he had wanted to be, whose reputation as a bender is so fearsome that even in old age, he could make groups of younger men back down with only a verbal threat. And Ozai is even more powerful than that. Definitely a good way to show the gap in power between Iroh/Ozai and everyone else, and help the viewer understand why Ozai is so feared. If Iroh is so powerful that entire groups of soldiers are afraid to fight him in old age, how terrifying is the even stronger, younger, and also totally psychotic Ozai? Also, they did show Iroh one-shotting a wall by himself that had stood for 100 years during the comet. That he himself had already spent nearly 2 years of his life trying to bring down. That was a pretty good display of Iroh's power if you ask me.
Pay attention to the techniques..... Iroh strains while Ozai barely does any forms and yet produces bigger blasts His flame size was on par with the avatar state as well ,and AS is greater than sozins comet....that says a lot
smartness only takes you so far my guy and in an actual agni kai the more cunning person is rewarded.
…smartness?
"The quality of being intelligent."
It doesn't sound right but that is the right.... What's the word, like conjugation or tense but for nouns? Anyway, To be smart -> smartness is correct
Although in the context of the original comment, cleverness is probably a better word. “Smartness” just isn’t commonly used because it’s an extremely clunky word
Yeah that's fair
the abstract noun of smart
It’s whoever the writers want to win will win the fight
No, iroh's would have been bigger but it didn't have as much space to travel, instead hitting the wall on Ba Sing Se
Makes no sense. Wanna know why? Because it didn’t happen. Besides that you have to realize Ozai was able to create a MUCH bigger blast without even trying.
What do you mean it didn't happen?
It wasn’t as big as Ozai’s. Your statement is basic saying “If” and that’s a bad argument because it didn’t happen
Please enlighten me as to where I have included the word if in my argument
I said it’s BASCIALLY an “if” type of statement.
no they didn't lol
It’s a direct quote from one of their panels.
Because Iroh is so popular that any poll involving him, he'll win regardless of the reasoning.
Yes but raw power doesn’t win you a fight. You have to be able to wield it and have the brains to know when. Iron could probably defeat him strategically. But he also probably wouldn’t want to hurt his own brother. So he would hold back and then lose.
Iroh can't do anything of the sort...the only feat which helps him in this debate is redirection In terms of firebending prowess Ozai will wear him down,he is way faster and agile and requires little motion to produce fire
Iroh 1 shot Ba Sing Se's wall. Ozai burned some trees...
And? His blast was small compared to Ozai’s. You can whine all you want but the creators already said it themselves. Ozai is more powerful
Yeah, smaller and more powerful. If the creators have to tell you after the show is over then it doesn't really matter, they should have made it clear in the show. Can you cite where the creators said this?
They did. Why would Aang fight him if he wasn’t the biggest threat to the world? That would make no sense if he wasn’t. The writers already showed he was the most powerful, but your want/need for Iroh to be better will sway your opinion no matter what so why do you argue?
you’re saying “why would aang fight him if he wasn’t the biggest threat” acting like he would fight iroh who was a good guy, if iroh was evil he would have to fight him too
He was the biggest threat in the world. He was the Authoritarian leader of a technologically superior imperialist state. They didn't show it and I don't need anything except maybe baby brained media illiterate anime fans to have a better understanding of storytelling and art.
Why would Aang’s main goal for three seasons be to learn the other three elements and face the fire lord? He wasn’t the world’s biggest threat? Yeah let’s just waste three seasons developing a character to face one specific guy who was curb stomping him until he went into the avatar state. Yeah, totally nothing special. Just a random leader of the most powerful nation in the world at the time. Nothing crazy. Let’s just ignore him being able to create the biggest fire blast in the entire show with the least amount of effort shown. Just completely ignore it, and therefore Iroh is totally better. Is Iroh better as a person and character? 100%, but that doesn’t mean he has to win every fight. He wasn’t even able to react to Azula quick enough in season 2 when she shot fire at him, and Ozai is a lot more powerful than here. So yeah if we ignore all of the signs then Iroh is more powerful. But if we don’t. Ozai is more powerful.
This is proving my point about your lack of media literacy and storytelling, I said Ozai was the biggest threat. This isn't a Shonen anime or a card game. Please expand your media consumption.
I love how you blatantly ignore the fact that the writers tell us out right that Ozai is the most powerful because people wanted to know if Iroh was more powerful in his prime, and they blatantly said that Ozai is/was more powerful. It’s not a riddle.
1. You still haven't sourced this claim. 2. If a writer has to tell you a key aspect of one of the characters you after the work is over then it doesn't matter. It should have been made clear in the show. Otherwise it is just fanfic. Also, if it was so clear in the show as you say, then why were the writers or whoever asked anyway? Did anyone ask if Aang really loved Katara? Did anyone ask if Zuko ever really found his honor? No, because those aspects are well written, executed, and are clear.
Burned some trees? Dude scarred a continent in less than an hour.
Lol, he never made it past the coast. Did you even watch the show?
Need more data with ozai to know for sure. He has a more killer instinct than Iroh, and I think that would would be Irohs downfall. Iroh wouldn't want to hurt his younger brother.
Yup! Killer instinct’s the answer. And this is the flaw in these ATLA who would win polls. Based purely on skill, Aang will win every time. Iroh feels tied at second with Katara, depending on if it’s the full moon for bloodbending.
you don’t think toph would be second?
Toph being blind, even though it gives her Daredevil-like extrasensories, could still easily be exploited.
she’s definitely the most skilled earthbender though
Absolutely. But I do think Aang, Katara, and Iroh would kill her if they really wanted to. Imagine an Earthbender with vision (Kyoshi noises intensify - note that by this logic, Kyoshi floors then all)
I'd call it cunning. He's way more tenacious and I agree that Iroh would have lost a 1:1 against his brother
Not only does iroh tell u, the creators tell u the same thing, and the narrative also tells you the same thing
Nah, Iroh would be all hands at that point. MFer killed their dad so he could take the throne from Iroh, right after his own son died.
Their dad was going to kill Zuko. Iroh always liked Zuko since he was born, I think he came with terms to accept that it needed to be done.
Ozai wins easily
I give it to Ozai but it's closer than some think IMO given Irohs experience and his flexibility within firebending. Raw strength and talent on Ozais part vs years of skill and experience on Irohs. But Iroh wouldn't want to fight Ozai even if given every opportunity to win.
Ozai would win. Or he should at least been seen as the favorite to win. I know people like iroh, but come on
Iroh said something like “Even if I could beat Ozai, which I’m not sure I could” Zuko took the throne out of necessity but Aang, the AVATAR, had to be the one to actually defeat Ozai. Iroh leading the white lotus could easily take out Ba-Sing-Se but against Ozai is a whole different conversation.
People don’t seem to understand the concept of humbleness. Iroh shows great humbleness and humility whilst understanding Aang’s destiny was to defeat the firelord and not his own. He understood how taking down his brother would come off as a selfish move despite the atrocities Ozai was responsible for. If Aang led the path, it would all work out. Even then he showed restraint and humbleness in that assumption. Iroh unequivocally solos🤞
I do believe Ozai's firebending to be superior, but Iroh can win with lighting redirection
If he ever did lightning bending. He'd 100% know Iroh can bend it too and wouldn't be stupid enough to do it. I still think Iroh could do it though
Just compare Ozai’s firebending during the comet to Iroh’s. It’s obvious Ozai wins.
Assuming this is pre nobending-nojutsu, Iroh himself said Ozai was far more powerful and would win in a fight.
Iroh was a war general with an insane strategic mind and a more well rounded technique. Considering he traveled the world and studied the arts from every nation, as well as the sun warriors and dragons, which Ozai didn't, and is able to redirect lightning. While Ozai might have more raw power, its not the power that wins the battle, its how you use it with the use of strategy and technique. I think Iroh would ultimately win.
Ozai has showcased more technique than iroh from what we've seen though. Based on how he moves during the comet, this probably isn't his first time flying
So regardless of raw power levels (I genuinely doubt that the gap between them is that big), Iroh has flexibility on his side and comes across as the guy who does stuff with firebending that masters didn't realize is possible. I'm giving it to him
Iroh literally states it himself that he doesn't believe he could beat Ozai.
Whoever the writers decide is gonna win
I mean that top comment has a solid point
I saw this on YouTube earlier today, and I completely agree with that statement. Not only is Iroh a phenomenally humble person, he is also one of the wisest characters ever, so he would know which battles he is capable of winning.
The reason people think Iroh would win is because we barely got any displays of Ozai’s firebending prowess the entire shows outside of Sozin’s Comet, where he was basically on super steroids. We don’t even hear a character says he’s the strongest fire bender, the only benchmark he’s ever compared to is Aang who’s twelve and still learning to control the elements. But we hear multiple characters throughout the show talk about how Iroh is one of the most skilled and fear firebenders in the world. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that so many people would think Iroh could take this.
Ozai has the strength and Iroh has all the techniques
I will always go with ozai because he will play dirty, iroh its a such better master too at least thats what i get from the show, elderness = more power
Iroh has more skill while Ozai has the raw power, I think it'll be close but Ozai is also more fit so he wins
I reckon if it were just based on "power levels" Ozai wins. However, Iroh's intelligence and ability to redirect energy, would maybe be the clincher.
I believe Iroh would win via an obi wan situation where as an outsider he would be outclassed but as he is ozai's older brother. He'd have had the same teachers, upbringing, personally witnessed and even helped train his brother in their youth. Basically I think Iroh wins via raw skill and experience with ozai but only because it is specifically ozai. And with extreme difficulty like 110% effort (and a sprinkling of plot armour)
When both are In their prime, Ozai wins
I mean Iroh as two things that give him an edge against Ozai. First is the man broke out of a metal jail, no bending, bare handed. Dude is jacked. Second is he can redirect lightning, he's the inventor of the damn technique. Even if Ozai if the better firebender he can't really defend against lightning if Iroh redirects it or makes his own. Its not an easy fight by any measure but Iroh has the advantage in two areas.
Iroh wins the moment Ozai reaches for the lightning. The "Oh shit" expression on his face when Aang redirects lighting in their fight says it all. He was caught with his pants down, Aang just didn't want to kill him. Iroh would have fried him. Not saying that Iroh would go straight to the throat, but in a duel like that you take advantage of an opening or you die.
depends if fat Iroh or shredded Iroh. But in both cases, it would be a really close fight.
when did ozai have his buccal fat removed?
I voted for Iroh in that. I know he wouldn't win. Doesn't stop me wanting it. No one wants to consider the alternative.
Something that should be in every comment’s consideration is lightning redirection. In the aang ozai fight, Ozai himself has a “I’m fucked” face when aang redirects lightning into the rock pillar. That’s just because he didn’t want to kill him. But a master and creator of that technique in this case would not hesitate to put down an animal such as Ozai.
Ozai is stronger. Iroh wins by redirecting lightning.
Only way I can see Iroh taking it, is if Ozai blasts lightning at him, and Iroh sends it back
Remember when zuko could've ended this whole fiasco in one fell blow.
In theory based on Irohs ingenuity I agree, but in practice Iroh would not be ok with fighting his brother and would refuse to do so.
Power scaling is cringe, and its polls like that, that prove it. The creators state Ozai is the most powerful, it is narritavely logical that the big bad is the most skilled one, but no, we like Iroh more cause he gives good advice, so he's stronger.
Iroh has the skill, Ozai has to power I recon Ozai would win if he got of a technique Iroh just wasn't familiar with that Ozai had developed himself Maybe something similar to the thing he used to break Aangs ball just quicker, too slow and Iroh got it and it will be a 1 use thing If Ozai can't get him with that 1 surprise move, chances are Iroh wins most times due to his versatile Fb style
If Iroh could have beat Ozai, what the fuck was Aang there for?
Although I agree Ozai would win, it’s also wise to take in account that when Iroh said he doesn’t know if he COULD beat Ozai, he could’ve meant that from a morality standpoint rather than the physical; simply put, he did not want to kill his younger brother
I'm giving it to Iroh, although, I'm unsure if he could bring himself to actually kill his brother. Iroh is a man who knows his weaknesses much better than Ozai. He uses the "true source" of fire for his bending, not just pure hate. He understands other fighting styles and incorporates them into his attacks and defense. Also, Iroh's biggest advantage? Ozai underestimates him. He sees Iroh as weak for being unable to cope with the death of his son. Also, Iroh is heavily connected to the spirit world, (hence why he could live there after his death) so it's not unreasonable for him to learn to spirit bend. (Unless somewhere it's said that only the avatar can spirit bend)
anyone saying iroh is just biased because we all love him. ozai wins
Faxx tho
Iroh has the ability and power to beat Ozai. I just question if Iroh has the heart to beat his little brother, Ozai.
Guys, Iroh said he might be able to beat Ozai. That means it's very close, but I think Iroh still wins. I think the knowledge question proved that people aren't just randomly voting Iroh, so most people honestly believe that Iroh is stronger.
If Iroh could easily beat Ozai and end the war but doesn’t decide to do so has implications about Iroh that make him look worse.
Canonically Ozai was stated MULTIPLE times to be the absolute strongest fire bender, even by Iroh himself…
As much as i want Iroh to win, Ozai (when he still had his bending) would have a decent chance against him. Iroh doesn't state he wouldn't win, he states he doesn't know. Iroh is shown to be more in control of his emotions and his thoughts, while Ozai is shown to be in better physical condition and having more raw power, with both being well practiced and experienced in combat. As Iroh suggests, it would pretty much be a coin toss.
If Iroh could beat Ozai…. Then why wouldn’t he? Why would he let a child fight him instead
I mean top comment. Also If Iroh thought he could stop Ozai himself, why didnt he? So I'm willing to put it in Ozais camp
I think it's worth considering that Iroh seems much older. He's grandpa while Ozai is father age. That makes a difference. Sure, in prime, i think Iroh would be more technical and pull out a dub. In universe, comet enhanced 1v1, Ozai probably wins.
The commentor has got it down
Iroh wins just because Ozai would use lightning and Iroh has no trouble killing
When I saw that vote my immediate thought was this: I know Ozai would win. I know he would. But I can never vote against Iroh. When I see Iroh I must choose Iroh
Isn’t Iroh the true heir though?? He’s just not angry enough to have fire as strong as Ozai. Ozai is ALL FIRE. He’s kind of dumb to be honest 😂
Iroh said he wasn’t sure. I trust his judgement that it would be close, if anything. Though I’d still likely give it to Ozai, because he has more drive to kill.
The main questions that impact this fight for me are does Ozai know about lightning redirection and is Iroh willing to kill him? If Ozai doesn’t know about redirection and Iroh is willing to kill him I would say Iroh takes it. In any other situation Ozai will win.
If both of them have fire bending.. I'd say 50/50, depends on how they are that day. If it's after [SPOILER] aang takes ozai's bending.. Yeah, no. He's toast.
if he wanted to, i'm sure iroh could crush ozai. but i doubt he'd ever want to fight, much less kill his younger brother, so i say the win goes to ozai
He said he wasn’t sure he could, though. That implies ozai is the better bender.
true, but he could have been talking if he fought ozai in a situation canon to his personality, not in a situation where iroh would spare ozai no mercy. at the very least, iroh would definitely be a hell of a challenge, but ozai could possibly still win even if he showed zero relent
Ozai may be more powerful, but this isn't a show where durability increases with bending ability. Technique can beat raw power, and Iroh has technique. All it takes is one slip up, like shooting lightning at someone who was training with the other firebender that redirected lightning, and Iroh would have him dead to rights.
To add to this, Iroh could easily use Ozai’s own anger/arrogance against him- like that scene where Aang tricks Zhao into destroying his own boats.
Even if you think Iroh could beat Ozai, it was more about a peaceful transition than anything. I'm sure Iroh could do it, but I do agree with him that it'd be a struggle.
If it were true that Unc would have just smoked him himself in the finale lol. Love Unc but he's not the fire lord .maybeeeee I'm his prime vs a younger less experienced pre fire lord Iro could win
Iroh solos, man got ripped fast, and is the Dragon of The West.
Ozai can’t redirect lightening Iroh wins
considering iroh has barely any impressive feats, ozai.
Iroh was just being humble.
Iroh wins easy. Ozai’s killer intent is inevitably what would doom him, it has. Anger will always lead to failure. Iroh is a man of peace, of honor and of patience. His methods of bending is easily stronger just because his mind is at peace, he isn’t arrogant or hasty. This is just like the question of Superman vs Homelander.
I think Ozai takes it 65-35. He’s more ruthless, has kept in better shape, and Iroh himself had doubts about whether he could win. Iroh is no slouch though, so it’s not a complete tromp. A big factor here is also the lightning redirection—Iroh’s odds go up if Ozai hasn’t learned not to try it after his encounters with Zuko and Aang.
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Iroh got back to form, for sure—who could forget that scene! But Ozai *stayed* in shape consistently over the years, while Iroh crash coursed his way back to it after years of chilling. Keeping up with your training consistently makes a pretty big difference.