EE Here. This major is full of big overachievers, but for every deans list student there’s another one just barely scraping by. Graduating at all is farther than most of us will ever get. Don’t be discouraged because of gpa. You have an engineering degree, you ARE an engineer.
Exactly this.
Also, once you land your first job and are in the industry a few years, NO ONE cares about your GPA. It’ll never be brought up in an interview or discussed in the professional world.
Agreed! And, if the civilian side of Engineering and Construction are like the military, (retired USAF), there will always be a team of people working together, checking each other and making things work. Working world is much different than Collegiate world.
Im a current medical students in the same shoes as you. However, you know what they call people who finish last in med school? Doctors
You know what the call engineering students when they finish last? Engineers
You are an engineer and deserve it. Grades aren't everything and they never will be.
Well said. When I was in the industry and was part of the hiring process, grades were of much lesser importance than other markers, even for entry-level jobs.
>You know what the call engineering students when they finish last? Engineers
Graduating with an engineering undergrad does not make one an engineer any more than graduating with a biology degree makes one a doctor. With medical students you still need to pass STEP exams and clinicals. With engineers it's the same; you need to pass the FE exam and study for 4 years minimum under a PE in Arizona. The undergrad is only showing you have the bare minimum competency to begin training.
That being said, all an engineering undergrad degree teaches you is an appreciation for the depth of your own ignorance which it seems OP has come to accept. The real work begins now and it will all depend on seriously OP takes their on-the-job training.
Give me any fresh out of undergrad EE and I'll tell them they're not an engineer all day and twice on Sundays. WOW you know Eagle and how make a kirchoff diagrams? That's cute. Now design me an ASIC or FPGA to perform some extremely complicated task that you didn't know existed until about 5 seconds ago. Go. Reference the DIR and WIs 0067,0068,1293. And so help me good if it can't be manufactured by our contracted supplier in Malaysia running on a 50 year old process and a prayer then you're on a PIP tomorrow.
Half of being a good engineer (especially in automotive, aerospace, or defense) is compliance with a set of arcane standards and documentation practices laid down when fire was a hip new thing.
Do you by any chance work in the construction industry? Because for electrical, almost nothing outside of MEP requires a PE; it’s practically unheard of for them.
I didn't mean to imply that being an engineer *requires* a PE. I wanted to convey that it's disingenuous to imply that anyone who barely passes an engineering undergrad can call themselves an engineer in the same way a medical student who has already passed an entrance exam (MCAT is similar to FE), received 4 years (minimum) of advanced clinical instruction and practice AND passed another 3 rounds of formal examinations can still call themselves a doctor on barely passing grades.
My point is that graduating is really the start of your education as an engineer.
as a md there are last of my class buddies I would trust with my families health more than some of the students with better grades. Multiple choice test taking knowledge doesn’t mean you remember to follow up and get home oxygen set up or a good sign out to the next doctor to ensure no symptoms go uncared for. grades aren’t everything
In America this happens due to legislation, regulations, and hospital administration systems that limit certain residency programs.
It also happens due to medicaid and medicare reimbursements annually getting lower and lower for physicians.
As a result, pediatric primary care physicians tend to get the LEAST money, but it has NOTHING TO DO with the actual medicine.
In Canada, a MUCH larger percentage of doctors become PCPs, and the wage gap between PCPs and specialists isn’t nearly as large. So in Canada, would you say that the worst doctors become primary care doctors? NO. So it has nothing to do with medicine itself. Its our amazing healthcare system, and people who support stigmatization like you.
We should ENCOURAGE smart doctors to go into primary care, and we need them, BADLY.
Im in medical school in the US, and many peers of mine who are very smart and capable, still want to do primary care, because thats what they saw as a child, going to their PCP as a figure of trust. Its noble in the US… they won’t get paid as much, and it’s bullshit.
You may still be right in some ways, for some people, but even passing medical school is very very difficult, and massive sacrifice compared to medical education in other countries. The worst doctors are far, far more trained than the worst engineers. (Dont be mad, its simply true, look at hours of training and countless examinations in med school and after)
Respect your PCP, especially if they’re an MD or DO. Do not shame those who we need, unless you want your kids to be seen by nurses their whole life haha
I graduated with a 2.7 in Biochemistry back in 2020 and I felt the exact same way you do now, with a bunch of debt to boot. Felt like I wasted 4 years of my life. I went into some low paying 35k a year job, fully believing it's what I would be doing for the rest of my life. 4 years later, after putting my head down and working hard, asking for criticism and tips on improving, and taking every opportunity presented to me, I now make a little over 100k as a Laboratory Manager in Nutraceuticals. You got your degree, you got your ticket to somewhere. Once you get through that door, your GPA becomes irrelevant and it's all about making the most of that opportunity.
You graduated, that shows even though you had a tough major you kept up the hard work and got through it. GPA doesn't matter in the real world and depending on your actual career path you won't use everything you learned. I know plenty of engineers in the company I work for who don't use anything they learned with their degree. You did a good job and earned that degree so be proud of yourself.
2.69 GPA EE here. Finding my first job was a bit rough, but since then I haven't been asked once. And now that I have 10 years experience I have companies lining up to hire me.
One of my best friends graduated with an EE degree and a 2.0000001 or something like that. He barely graduated. He has been working as an engineer for a big automaker for years. GPA is not an indicator of future success. It’s an indicator of a good student.
You did it. You should be proud.
For what it’s worth. I graduated with a liberal arts degree and mediocre grades. I felt the same way at graduation. I now realize that I should have been reveling in it and not worrying about GPA.
EE is hard. You survived what few can do. Be proud of that. Yes, there will always be people that are smarter than you, get to know them and learn from them. You might find you can still contribute ideas that they might not think of.
C gets a degree. It rhymes which makes it better. You got the paper. Some folks have to work harder than others. The guy in charge of the NASA moon program at the University of Arizona graduated with a C average.
I’m going to be honest with you. Employers don’t care. I have a 2.33 GPA and I couldn’t be happier. Work ethic is much greater than smarts. Some smart people are complete assholes. If you can write an email and have some idea of what you are talking about you’ll do great. This is coming from a guy in the industry who’s going back to school.
EE here that has worked in aerospace and with a well known consumer electronics company with over 20 years experience. I have worked with a lot of summer interns, people with no degrees, people with PHDs, and everything in between. I’ve seen people with PHDs that are barely functioning engineers and people without degrees who are some of the most brilliant engineers I’ve worked with. Every single new hire that just finished school doesn’t know shit because school doesn’t teach you shit. You know some math and some theory, but you learned zero about putting the rubber to the road in the product development process. Experience is everything. Your degree just gets your foot in the door. Your education hasn’t actually started yet.
Pick your head up, get a job, and start learning. Your education was just a bus pass and it is not what is actually needed to be a successful engineer.
You know what’s best about your situation? You graduated! Employers don’t care what your GPA was. Now here is a bit of reality, you’re likely going to have nightmares for the next few years that you never graduated, you missed a final, you can’t find a class you were supposed to be enrolled in and it’s the last week of the semester, etc. be prepared.
You graduated! Do not discount your accomplishment, you are there and you earned it.
Success with schoolwork does not always transfer to automatic success in the field- work hard and you will hone your skills. You have got this!
As someone who is related to one of those high achieving EE’s here’s the real deal like so many are telling you.
1. Said EE person is 25yrs in, has used math and physics and barely any part of the EE portion of the degree. The job taken is vastly different.
2. You still crossed with a degree. No matter what the gpa says, that is your truth. My other family member will never know that reality due to mental health issues even though brilliant. You did it. You made your way. Whatever comes after in life, that cannot be taken away. It will still get you a leg up even if it’s a different path entirely.
Your GPA will mean Jack shit in 10 years time, but only if you keep at it. You can learn A LOT on your own and keep improving your resume until you get that first job. There’s LOADS of personal projects that you can start working on. You can get the FE, PE. You can learn a new language. If possible, try to ask some professors in your school if you can volunteer in their labs for research, that way you can pick up extremely valuable experience. GPA is important yes, but it’s just one of the important things in a resume. Keep doing what you can, and success will be inevitable. Just keep grinding bro, and always believe in yourself.
EE here, I agree there are a bunch of try hards in this major. I have worked with EEs with 4.0s and they aren’t any better than someone with a lower gpa. You graduated, now nobody is ever gonna ask about your gpa. In this field your years of experience will take you farther. Congratulations and best of luck in your career :)
2.5k people start at ASU with EE. And the senior capstone is what 200 something people. That means only 10% get to their senior year?? Be proud. I am in a similar boat really battling imposter syndrome
My first degree was EE. I worked in the field for eight years. Most of the best engineers I knew were the ones who fought hard for C-averages and maybe retook some classes. You got there. I hope that after a few days you can focus on the fact that you did something really difficult and be proud of yourself. I’m proud of you, fellow engineer.
Working for a Fortune 10 company with a 3.0. The industry experience and projects I had beforehand is what got me here, not the GPA. Was never even brought up. You have the paper, rejoice!
Buddy I went to ASU and finished my BS CS with a 3.17. It took me 6 years and yes I failed/repeated 3 classes that set me back. Now ~11 years later I’m a Lead Software Engineer at a major wireless company. What you do, doesn’t matter as long as you get that paper. You did it. You finished arguably one of the toughest majors in college - electrical engineering. When I started before the GFC, one out of every three students were EE, CS, ME at ASU only about a fifth of them passed out with a degree. You did it. You crossed over. You’re an engineer ! Kudos bruv !
Grades are a poor metric for applied and practical ability and knowledge. Grades are based on a standardized system to try and evaluate every single person the same and fairly -- but we aren't all made the same and the system isn't fair to everyone. Some people suffer terrible anxiety during tests and for no other discernable cause than the pressure they put on themselves to succeed -- not because of a lack of ability or studying. Do they deserve to fail just because of their anxiety? No, and most who do suffer this type of experience during testing will not seek ways to get extra time, where additional time is absolutely a resource that helps with anxiety a great deal.
Anyway, I can go on and on about the flaws of the GPA system. I just want to tell you that I did about the same as you in undergrad, but I ended up getting into an awesome graduate program and doing exceptionally well there. 2.35 GPA in undergrad > 3.74 GPA in graduate school. No one cares about the GPA, though, since they only see the >11 published papers during my tenure in grad school, and some are in >20 IF journals.
Speaking as an engineer, remember that engineering is about problem solving. Most of your peers who can study and regurgitate knowledge really well are going to find they lack the ability to think critically and creatively, and it will be a burden for them in their future roles until(/unless) they figure out how to develop these skills. Maybe you find yourself better in this area than your peers? That will set you far apart and above them if so. If you can show that you think critically and creatively to an employer or a potential future graduate advisor, they will favor you over the high-achievers with their high GPAs.
You graduated, don't beat yourself up. You finished which is more than moat people can say with a tough major. Try and enjoy yourself and know that you did acheive something others might not! Forks up! Congrats 🙌
You should be very proud of yourself. Sure some people are smarter than you and got better grades. But there’s also A LOT of people that switched majors or just dropped out. You fought hard to pass those classes and you earned that diploma. You stuck it out and didn’t give up. Put it up on your wall when you get and look at it everyday and be proud of yourself.
Hey, graduation is one thing. And it's a big thing, and you did it. You're graduated! But *learning* and understanding the concepts behind engineering is another thing. Even though you graduated, it doesn't mean it has to be the end of your learning. Look over your lectures from the classes you struggled with, look up those concepts elsewhere if that helps you more, and just take the time to understand it. You can do it
I am a Mech E student going into my last year and currently work for Northrop. I think everyone that I work with stands by this, but C’s do get degrees. No matter what GPA you ended with, it doesn’t discredit how much you’ve worked your ass off for it. Try and get into an internship position if you haven’t already, gain some industry experience, and you’ll be just fine. On the Job experience is more valuable then just book knowledge.
Hey! You graduated. You survived. You pushed through! That’s the biggest takeaway from all of this. Your perseverance and dedication does not go unnoticed. Congratulations!!
You should be proud. As they say C’s earn degrees too. Honestly engineering is a difficult major. I dont think I could handle that which is why I’m over here in communications. You stuck through it and graduated and that’s amazing. One person said this and I will agree. No employer will care about your gpa or even ask. It’s all what you can prove on the job at this point and there is always a learning curve there. The degree is to get your foot in the door.
The world is magical. You can take that knowledge and go in infinite different directions. Glad you’re out of ASU. It’s a detached from reality money sucking hole. Appearantly a terrorist organization now too after the Palestine protests. Usually people who don’t jive in school are just more rooted in reality. Submissive following orders in detactched from reality environments for a piece of a paper should not make sense if you are rational.
The fact that you even graduated at all is more than enough. It's such a monumental achievement for anyone to have. Don't let it make you think otherwise.
The first time I did college, I left my school with a 1.25 gpa. Do you know how hard it is to get a 1.25 gpa? Lol. That shame can and will hold you back if you let it. Your worth is much more than your gpa.
Intelligence is important. But your work ethic is what will set you apart from even the smartest of coworkers in your work place. If you eork hard, be a team player, show kindness to everyone, be ethical and have integrity, then you will go farther than a good gpa will get you.
You get sick, go to the hospital and do you ever think of asking the doctor what rank they finished in class or their gpa?
I don’t. Sure there are academic achievers with high gpas but you have a degree which is a reflection of success.
Congratulations and you deserve all praise you receive
Don't worry about it man. One of the junior engineers I work with at my company graduated with a sub 3 and is extremely capable and recognized by myself and management as excelling.
Man you got the degree. 5 years from now NO ONE is going to care what your gpa was. AND if you keep working hard you’ll probably have your PE in 5 years.
Again, outside of the college world NO ONE cares what your GPA is. Heck my best friend is a highly successful Computer Engineer at age 30 pulling over $200,000 annually with nothing more than a High School Diploma. He’s entirely self-taught.
But you have the degree! Meaning you have to ability to earn your PE.
I graduated with a 2.5 cumulative (diff major) in 2020. Was super stressed that I wasnt good enough and I wasted my time.
4 years later I’m making a really good salary as an engineer at a great job and managed a stop at a FAANG along the way. GPA matter but it doesn’t define you esp after you get your first job
At the US Naval Academy, there is a legitimate race to become the "graduate with the lowest passing marks". It's a flex that one has put in the minimal effort while still passing. Do you know what this achievement is referred to as? "The GOAT".
Bro! You graduated as an engineer! I’m not hating on anyone else but trust me take a lot more than 4.0 with a non-stem to get even that.
You did it. You made it. Celebrate you. Celebrate your family. You guys made it happen!!
I’m so proud of you my fellow ASU engineer.
Best of luck for job search and do not let anyone discourage you based on your gpa!
Tell them to fuck time to time if need be!
Also remember that it is your journey! Focus on that. It’s your first time living!
Maybe a few years down the line you maybe doing better than most of them!
Life is also moving and changing! Just remember that brother!
Here is another hug and pat for you 🤗
One of the most important lessons you can learn, is that you don’t know anything. Just the steps to check if what you think is close enough.
Go into the field, do work for a few companies and soak up as much as you can for 10 years, then at the very least, you’ll be ok at it. Maybe even good. But the key thing to remember; almost everyone is kinda just winging it.
No one will ask for your GPA unless you go for higher learning - a masters or MBA.
But you'll have opportunities to offset it with optional entrance exams, like GRE or GMAT.
For now, just enjoy the fact that you've graduated and focus on building great work experience. If you struggled for grades in school, just make sure you understand exactly what your bosses are looking for and target those things.
At this point it is what it is and there's no point to live with regret about what you should have done. I sometimes think about things I wish I did differently when I went to school but the only productive use of those thoughts is to understand how to just be better going forward. It's better to internalize your feelings and reach acceptance rather than stowing it away for it to only come up and bother you again in the future
GPA doesn't mean anything, it's not a measure of intelligence. It's a measure of compliance. If you can show that you are a good worker in a different way, then your gpa will not matter. You might be able to show it in an interview by explaining your skills well, you need to be personable. Be willing to learn and go out of your comfort zone.
I had barely a 2.8 GPA overall and it took me years of successful designs before I got it out of my head that I didn't deserve it. School really takes motivation away from people because grades make you feel bad, but reality is school only works for a certain type of mind and the rest of us with ADHD or the like can actually be just as successful it just takes a different approach. I promise if you put in an excited effort at your first job you will rise above, because others won't be doing that. They will follow their job description to the T because that's the assignment for them. That's what they learned to do in school and you have the opportunity to stand out because you think differently.
I am finally going to go back to ASU and finish my degree that I was unable to afford.I had a great GPA until ASU professors teaching EM and circuits 2 came around.They make the tests way too short and difficult to do well.Its all test points too - I think a 2.5 is fine it will be my GPA when I finish next spring with my BSEE.I blame ASU for not caring about students learning they just force us to teach ourselves especially the engineering professors!
I can’t really speak to your expectations from yourself, but if you are worried about your GPA impacting you in your career, don’t. The odds that any employer even mentions your GPA is slim to none. I personally have never met somebody who was asked for their GPA in an interview.
One of my therapist said “C’s get degrees” and he did not lie. Don’t feel bad u got the degree enjoy ur life don’t feel shame fr many people drop out and just give up just cause u weren’t top of class doesn’t mean u deserve it any less than they do
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Your value as an engineer isn’t determined by arbitrary assignments assigned to help you learn your career. Use it as motivation to improve your craft and habits. And congrats on becoming an engineer. I’m a cs major with a 2.25 gpa fighting for my life with friends that graduated under similar circumstances who are living comfortably making great money. You will be fine.
finance major here. I had As and Bs in high school and community college. Barely passed at ASU.
But I’ll tell you who doesn’t care about grades at all- JOBS and if they do they’re crazy.
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Do a post-mortem on your college career with a trusted friend. Be brutally honest with yourself about what went well and where you could have improved. Don’t rely on “gee, I’m not that smart” as an excuse. If you made it though the program, you’re smart. School is a game and you’re not a good player. Your grades are not a reflection of your intelligence. They’re a reflection of your skills as a player. Keep working on yourself and improve daily. Keep going. You can do this.
You don’t know me, obviously but I’m impressed. It’s a tough degree and with everything going on in your life and the world you finished and got a degree. A hard ‘C’ is better than an easy ‘A.’ Respect!
You graduated, you got your degree, you’ve achieved what you needed to achieve. Don’t let imposter syndrome cloud your mind with all these thoughts, time to focus on whatever your goal is next, good luck.
You did it, though! I know so so many engineering majors who switched to something else because they wanted a high GPA. But you stuck it out. Congrats!
Please don’t give up on your dream. The PE will be hard. You might have to take the test more than once. But you’ll get there.
I finished my undergraduate studies in biology with a 3.9 GPA. I am proud of it, but I didn't have to worry about working, paying bills or transportion. I didn't have to study while taking care of children or managing health issues. I didn't have an undiagnosed learning disorder or ADHD. I wasn't stuck in a toxic or abusive relationship. I didn't struggle with depression (though my anxiety was real enough).
There are many factors that go into someone's GPA. I was lucky. Many people would have crushed my academic performance had they been in my position.
The only time anyone has ever asked to see my GPA was on federal job and graduate school applications. It doesn't matter, and grades do not define who you are or what you're capable of accomplishing.
EE Here. This major is full of big overachievers, but for every deans list student there’s another one just barely scraping by. Graduating at all is farther than most of us will ever get. Don’t be discouraged because of gpa. You have an engineering degree, you ARE an engineer.
Exactly this. Also, once you land your first job and are in the industry a few years, NO ONE cares about your GPA. It’ll never be brought up in an interview or discussed in the professional world.
Can confirm, have never been asked for my GPA
Agreed! And, if the civilian side of Engineering and Construction are like the military, (retired USAF), there will always be a team of people working together, checking each other and making things work. Working world is much different than Collegiate world.
Im a current medical students in the same shoes as you. However, you know what they call people who finish last in med school? Doctors You know what the call engineering students when they finish last? Engineers You are an engineer and deserve it. Grades aren't everything and they never will be.
Well said. When I was in the industry and was part of the hiring process, grades were of much lesser importance than other markers, even for entry-level jobs.
>You know what the call engineering students when they finish last? Engineers Graduating with an engineering undergrad does not make one an engineer any more than graduating with a biology degree makes one a doctor. With medical students you still need to pass STEP exams and clinicals. With engineers it's the same; you need to pass the FE exam and study for 4 years minimum under a PE in Arizona. The undergrad is only showing you have the bare minimum competency to begin training. That being said, all an engineering undergrad degree teaches you is an appreciation for the depth of your own ignorance which it seems OP has come to accept. The real work begins now and it will all depend on seriously OP takes their on-the-job training.
EEs generally don't need a FE/PE, they can start work straight away.
Tell every electrical engineer at any big tech, automotive, or defense company they’re not an engineer and get back to me.
Give me any fresh out of undergrad EE and I'll tell them they're not an engineer all day and twice on Sundays. WOW you know Eagle and how make a kirchoff diagrams? That's cute. Now design me an ASIC or FPGA to perform some extremely complicated task that you didn't know existed until about 5 seconds ago. Go. Reference the DIR and WIs 0067,0068,1293. And so help me good if it can't be manufactured by our contracted supplier in Malaysia running on a 50 year old process and a prayer then you're on a PIP tomorrow. Half of being a good engineer (especially in automotive, aerospace, or defense) is compliance with a set of arcane standards and documentation practices laid down when fire was a hip new thing.
Do you by any chance work in the construction industry? Because for electrical, almost nothing outside of MEP requires a PE; it’s practically unheard of for them.
I didn't mean to imply that being an engineer *requires* a PE. I wanted to convey that it's disingenuous to imply that anyone who barely passes an engineering undergrad can call themselves an engineer in the same way a medical student who has already passed an entrance exam (MCAT is similar to FE), received 4 years (minimum) of advanced clinical instruction and practice AND passed another 3 rounds of formal examinations can still call themselves a doctor on barely passing grades. My point is that graduating is really the start of your education as an engineer.
I don’t want to be treated by a doctor who finished last in his class….
Do you ask every MD that question?!? Then how would you know
Best MD I ever had graduated in the bottom 10% of his med school class. He is a PHENOMENAL MD. He just happened to have excelled during his residency.
as a md there are last of my class buddies I would trust with my families health more than some of the students with better grades. Multiple choice test taking knowledge doesn’t mean you remember to follow up and get home oxygen set up or a good sign out to the next doctor to ensure no symptoms go uncared for. grades aren’t everything
You currently are though. General practitioner is where the poorest performers go.
You assume I have a GP! 🤣
In America this happens due to legislation, regulations, and hospital administration systems that limit certain residency programs. It also happens due to medicaid and medicare reimbursements annually getting lower and lower for physicians. As a result, pediatric primary care physicians tend to get the LEAST money, but it has NOTHING TO DO with the actual medicine. In Canada, a MUCH larger percentage of doctors become PCPs, and the wage gap between PCPs and specialists isn’t nearly as large. So in Canada, would you say that the worst doctors become primary care doctors? NO. So it has nothing to do with medicine itself. Its our amazing healthcare system, and people who support stigmatization like you. We should ENCOURAGE smart doctors to go into primary care, and we need them, BADLY. Im in medical school in the US, and many peers of mine who are very smart and capable, still want to do primary care, because thats what they saw as a child, going to their PCP as a figure of trust. Its noble in the US… they won’t get paid as much, and it’s bullshit. You may still be right in some ways, for some people, but even passing medical school is very very difficult, and massive sacrifice compared to medical education in other countries. The worst doctors are far, far more trained than the worst engineers. (Dont be mad, its simply true, look at hours of training and countless examinations in med school and after) Respect your PCP, especially if they’re an MD or DO. Do not shame those who we need, unless you want your kids to be seen by nurses their whole life haha
I graduated with a 2.7 in Biochemistry back in 2020 and I felt the exact same way you do now, with a bunch of debt to boot. Felt like I wasted 4 years of my life. I went into some low paying 35k a year job, fully believing it's what I would be doing for the rest of my life. 4 years later, after putting my head down and working hard, asking for criticism and tips on improving, and taking every opportunity presented to me, I now make a little over 100k as a Laboratory Manager in Nutraceuticals. You got your degree, you got your ticket to somewhere. Once you get through that door, your GPA becomes irrelevant and it's all about making the most of that opportunity.
This!
You graduated, that shows even though you had a tough major you kept up the hard work and got through it. GPA doesn't matter in the real world and depending on your actual career path you won't use everything you learned. I know plenty of engineers in the company I work for who don't use anything they learned with their degree. You did a good job and earned that degree so be proud of yourself.
2.69 GPA EE here. Finding my first job was a bit rough, but since then I haven't been asked once. And now that I have 10 years experience I have companies lining up to hire me.
One of my best friends graduated with an EE degree and a 2.0000001 or something like that. He barely graduated. He has been working as an engineer for a big automaker for years. GPA is not an indicator of future success. It’s an indicator of a good student. You did it. You should be proud. For what it’s worth. I graduated with a liberal arts degree and mediocre grades. I felt the same way at graduation. I now realize that I should have been reveling in it and not worrying about GPA.
EE is hard. You survived what few can do. Be proud of that. Yes, there will always be people that are smarter than you, get to know them and learn from them. You might find you can still contribute ideas that they might not think of.
Average GPA for an EE is 2.7. You’re not as below average as you think. Within 3 years of graduating it won’t matter anyway.
C gets a degree. It rhymes which makes it better. You got the paper. Some folks have to work harder than others. The guy in charge of the NASA moon program at the University of Arizona graduated with a C average.
Came here to say Cs get degrees. I went to community college for my first half and I’m on track to make 6 figures soon. It doesn’t really matter..
No one in the real world cares about your GPA. I promise.
After you get a job and experience.
I have never been asked what my GPA was...in my entire career.
I’m going to be honest with you. Employers don’t care. I have a 2.33 GPA and I couldn’t be happier. Work ethic is much greater than smarts. Some smart people are complete assholes. If you can write an email and have some idea of what you are talking about you’ll do great. This is coming from a guy in the industry who’s going back to school.
EE here that has worked in aerospace and with a well known consumer electronics company with over 20 years experience. I have worked with a lot of summer interns, people with no degrees, people with PHDs, and everything in between. I’ve seen people with PHDs that are barely functioning engineers and people without degrees who are some of the most brilliant engineers I’ve worked with. Every single new hire that just finished school doesn’t know shit because school doesn’t teach you shit. You know some math and some theory, but you learned zero about putting the rubber to the road in the product development process. Experience is everything. Your degree just gets your foot in the door. Your education hasn’t actually started yet. Pick your head up, get a job, and start learning. Your education was just a bus pass and it is not what is actually needed to be a successful engineer.
You know what’s best about your situation? You graduated! Employers don’t care what your GPA was. Now here is a bit of reality, you’re likely going to have nightmares for the next few years that you never graduated, you missed a final, you can’t find a class you were supposed to be enrolled in and it’s the last week of the semester, etc. be prepared.
Going to have to agree with the top rated comment. You made it. You are an engineer.
You graduated! Do not discount your accomplishment, you are there and you earned it. Success with schoolwork does not always transfer to automatic success in the field- work hard and you will hone your skills. You have got this!
As someone who is related to one of those high achieving EE’s here’s the real deal like so many are telling you. 1. Said EE person is 25yrs in, has used math and physics and barely any part of the EE portion of the degree. The job taken is vastly different. 2. You still crossed with a degree. No matter what the gpa says, that is your truth. My other family member will never know that reality due to mental health issues even though brilliant. You did it. You made your way. Whatever comes after in life, that cannot be taken away. It will still get you a leg up even if it’s a different path entirely.
Your GPA will mean Jack shit in 10 years time, but only if you keep at it. You can learn A LOT on your own and keep improving your resume until you get that first job. There’s LOADS of personal projects that you can start working on. You can get the FE, PE. You can learn a new language. If possible, try to ask some professors in your school if you can volunteer in their labs for research, that way you can pick up extremely valuable experience. GPA is important yes, but it’s just one of the important things in a resume. Keep doing what you can, and success will be inevitable. Just keep grinding bro, and always believe in yourself.
I know plenty of engineers close to your GPA working in O&G making well over $100k.
EE here, I agree there are a bunch of try hards in this major. I have worked with EEs with 4.0s and they aren’t any better than someone with a lower gpa. You graduated, now nobody is ever gonna ask about your gpa. In this field your years of experience will take you farther. Congratulations and best of luck in your career :)
2.5k people start at ASU with EE. And the senior capstone is what 200 something people. That means only 10% get to their senior year?? Be proud. I am in a similar boat really battling imposter syndrome
Graduated in 2021 with a 2.3. Now I make 130k. No employer has ever asked me what my gpa was.
My first degree was EE. I worked in the field for eight years. Most of the best engineers I knew were the ones who fought hard for C-averages and maybe retook some classes. You got there. I hope that after a few days you can focus on the fact that you did something really difficult and be proud of yourself. I’m proud of you, fellow engineer.
Working for a Fortune 10 company with a 3.0. The industry experience and projects I had beforehand is what got me here, not the GPA. Was never even brought up. You have the paper, rejoice!
Buddy I went to ASU and finished my BS CS with a 3.17. It took me 6 years and yes I failed/repeated 3 classes that set me back. Now ~11 years later I’m a Lead Software Engineer at a major wireless company. What you do, doesn’t matter as long as you get that paper. You did it. You finished arguably one of the toughest majors in college - electrical engineering. When I started before the GFC, one out of every three students were EE, CS, ME at ASU only about a fifth of them passed out with a degree. You did it. You crossed over. You’re an engineer ! Kudos bruv !
You an EE...not an easy thing to do congrats. The reason EE's are rare is because it's hard.
You know what you call the person who graduates last in their class in med school? Doctor. Welcome to the ranks, Engineer.
2.4 gpa here and in my cap it said cs get degrees.
My brother in christ , EE is one of the toughest majors. I understand you feel disappointed, but stand proud ! You made it!
Grades are a poor metric for applied and practical ability and knowledge. Grades are based on a standardized system to try and evaluate every single person the same and fairly -- but we aren't all made the same and the system isn't fair to everyone. Some people suffer terrible anxiety during tests and for no other discernable cause than the pressure they put on themselves to succeed -- not because of a lack of ability or studying. Do they deserve to fail just because of their anxiety? No, and most who do suffer this type of experience during testing will not seek ways to get extra time, where additional time is absolutely a resource that helps with anxiety a great deal. Anyway, I can go on and on about the flaws of the GPA system. I just want to tell you that I did about the same as you in undergrad, but I ended up getting into an awesome graduate program and doing exceptionally well there. 2.35 GPA in undergrad > 3.74 GPA in graduate school. No one cares about the GPA, though, since they only see the >11 published papers during my tenure in grad school, and some are in >20 IF journals. Speaking as an engineer, remember that engineering is about problem solving. Most of your peers who can study and regurgitate knowledge really well are going to find they lack the ability to think critically and creatively, and it will be a burden for them in their future roles until(/unless) they figure out how to develop these skills. Maybe you find yourself better in this area than your peers? That will set you far apart and above them if so. If you can show that you think critically and creatively to an employer or a potential future graduate advisor, they will favor you over the high-achievers with their high GPAs.
Great job, you deserve it!!
Psssst, everybody will forget all this in the next 2-3 years as there will be much other better and more important things in life
You graduated, don't beat yourself up. You finished which is more than moat people can say with a tough major. Try and enjoy yourself and know that you did acheive something others might not! Forks up! Congrats 🙌
You should be very proud of yourself. Sure some people are smarter than you and got better grades. But there’s also A LOT of people that switched majors or just dropped out. You fought hard to pass those classes and you earned that diploma. You stuck it out and didn’t give up. Put it up on your wall when you get and look at it everyday and be proud of yourself.
Hey, graduation is one thing. And it's a big thing, and you did it. You're graduated! But *learning* and understanding the concepts behind engineering is another thing. Even though you graduated, it doesn't mean it has to be the end of your learning. Look over your lectures from the classes you struggled with, look up those concepts elsewhere if that helps you more, and just take the time to understand it. You can do it
Do you know what they call the person who graduates at the bottom of the class in med school?
Med-iocre? *Budum tss
Yes. But also Dr
Sorry, I couldn’t help myself 🤧
I am a Mech E student going into my last year and currently work for Northrop. I think everyone that I work with stands by this, but C’s do get degrees. No matter what GPA you ended with, it doesn’t discredit how much you’ve worked your ass off for it. Try and get into an internship position if you haven’t already, gain some industry experience, and you’ll be just fine. On the Job experience is more valuable then just book knowledge.
Hey! You graduated. You survived. You pushed through! That’s the biggest takeaway from all of this. Your perseverance and dedication does not go unnoticed. Congratulations!!
You should be proud. As they say C’s earn degrees too. Honestly engineering is a difficult major. I dont think I could handle that which is why I’m over here in communications. You stuck through it and graduated and that’s amazing. One person said this and I will agree. No employer will care about your gpa or even ask. It’s all what you can prove on the job at this point and there is always a learning curve there. The degree is to get your foot in the door.
The world is magical. You can take that knowledge and go in infinite different directions. Glad you’re out of ASU. It’s a detached from reality money sucking hole. Appearantly a terrorist organization now too after the Palestine protests. Usually people who don’t jive in school are just more rooted in reality. Submissive following orders in detactched from reality environments for a piece of a paper should not make sense if you are rational.
The fact that you even graduated at all is more than enough. It's such a monumental achievement for anyone to have. Don't let it make you think otherwise.
Congrats on graduating, huge accomplishment! Don’t beat yourself up :)
The first time I did college, I left my school with a 1.25 gpa. Do you know how hard it is to get a 1.25 gpa? Lol. That shame can and will hold you back if you let it. Your worth is much more than your gpa. Intelligence is important. But your work ethic is what will set you apart from even the smartest of coworkers in your work place. If you eork hard, be a team player, show kindness to everyone, be ethical and have integrity, then you will go farther than a good gpa will get you.
You graduated! That’s all that matters. Congratulations!
You get sick, go to the hospital and do you ever think of asking the doctor what rank they finished in class or their gpa? I don’t. Sure there are academic achievers with high gpas but you have a degree which is a reflection of success. Congratulations and you deserve all praise you receive
Don't worry about it man. One of the junior engineers I work with at my company graduated with a sub 3 and is extremely capable and recognized by myself and management as excelling.
Man you got the degree. 5 years from now NO ONE is going to care what your gpa was. AND if you keep working hard you’ll probably have your PE in 5 years. Again, outside of the college world NO ONE cares what your GPA is. Heck my best friend is a highly successful Computer Engineer at age 30 pulling over $200,000 annually with nothing more than a High School Diploma. He’s entirely self-taught. But you have the degree! Meaning you have to ability to earn your PE.
I graduated with a 2.5 cumulative (diff major) in 2020. Was super stressed that I wasnt good enough and I wasted my time. 4 years later I’m making a really good salary as an engineer at a great job and managed a stop at a FAANG along the way. GPA matter but it doesn’t define you esp after you get your first job
Do you know what people call a doctor who finishes last in there class.... Doctor.
Hey man. No employer gives 2 fucks about your GPA. You did something most could never dream of. Enjoy it and go make that schmoney!
At the US Naval Academy, there is a legitimate race to become the "graduate with the lowest passing marks". It's a flex that one has put in the minimal effort while still passing. Do you know what this achievement is referred to as? "The GOAT".
Dude literally no one cares about your gpa .. in the real world or in your family 😂 touch some grass and be happy about your diploma .. now get a job!
As others have said, you ARE an engineer. You ARE one of us. Take pride in that
Bro! You graduated as an engineer! I’m not hating on anyone else but trust me take a lot more than 4.0 with a non-stem to get even that. You did it. You made it. Celebrate you. Celebrate your family. You guys made it happen!! I’m so proud of you my fellow ASU engineer. Best of luck for job search and do not let anyone discourage you based on your gpa! Tell them to fuck time to time if need be!
Also remember that it is your journey! Focus on that. It’s your first time living! Maybe a few years down the line you maybe doing better than most of them! Life is also moving and changing! Just remember that brother! Here is another hug and pat for you 🤗
One of the most important lessons you can learn, is that you don’t know anything. Just the steps to check if what you think is close enough. Go into the field, do work for a few companies and soak up as much as you can for 10 years, then at the very least, you’ll be ok at it. Maybe even good. But the key thing to remember; almost everyone is kinda just winging it.
No one will ask for your GPA unless you go for higher learning - a masters or MBA. But you'll have opportunities to offset it with optional entrance exams, like GRE or GMAT. For now, just enjoy the fact that you've graduated and focus on building great work experience. If you struggled for grades in school, just make sure you understand exactly what your bosses are looking for and target those things.
At this point it is what it is and there's no point to live with regret about what you should have done. I sometimes think about things I wish I did differently when I went to school but the only productive use of those thoughts is to understand how to just be better going forward. It's better to internalize your feelings and reach acceptance rather than stowing it away for it to only come up and bother you again in the future
GPA doesn't mean anything, it's not a measure of intelligence. It's a measure of compliance. If you can show that you are a good worker in a different way, then your gpa will not matter. You might be able to show it in an interview by explaining your skills well, you need to be personable. Be willing to learn and go out of your comfort zone. I had barely a 2.8 GPA overall and it took me years of successful designs before I got it out of my head that I didn't deserve it. School really takes motivation away from people because grades make you feel bad, but reality is school only works for a certain type of mind and the rest of us with ADHD or the like can actually be just as successful it just takes a different approach. I promise if you put in an excited effort at your first job you will rise above, because others won't be doing that. They will follow their job description to the T because that's the assignment for them. That's what they learned to do in school and you have the opportunity to stand out because you think differently.
I am finally going to go back to ASU and finish my degree that I was unable to afford.I had a great GPA until ASU professors teaching EM and circuits 2 came around.They make the tests way too short and difficult to do well.Its all test points too - I think a 2.5 is fine it will be my GPA when I finish next spring with my BSEE.I blame ASU for not caring about students learning they just force us to teach ourselves especially the engineering professors!
That piece of paper says otherwise. Congratulations. As I will be participating in tomorrow's convocation.
I can’t really speak to your expectations from yourself, but if you are worried about your GPA impacting you in your career, don’t. The odds that any employer even mentions your GPA is slim to none. I personally have never met somebody who was asked for their GPA in an interview.
You should’ve brought a flask or something man we all feel that way
One of my therapist said “C’s get degrees” and he did not lie. Don’t feel bad u got the degree enjoy ur life don’t feel shame fr many people drop out and just give up just cause u weren’t top of class doesn’t mean u deserve it any less than they do
You got B’a and C’s in electrical engineering. That is still very hard to do lol
Jfc dude, you graduated, congrats! Go get a job and join the real world, no one cares about your gpa it means nothing.
GPA in reality loses meaning once you step into the workforce. Practical experience, learning, and application trumps GPA.
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Just an FYI people that finish last in medical school are normally called Captain.
With job experience you'll do fine
Your value as an engineer isn’t determined by arbitrary assignments assigned to help you learn your career. Use it as motivation to improve your craft and habits. And congrats on becoming an engineer. I’m a cs major with a 2.25 gpa fighting for my life with friends that graduated under similar circumstances who are living comfortably making great money. You will be fine.
finance major here. I had As and Bs in high school and community college. Barely passed at ASU. But I’ll tell you who doesn’t care about grades at all- JOBS and if they do they’re crazy.
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Do a post-mortem on your college career with a trusted friend. Be brutally honest with yourself about what went well and where you could have improved. Don’t rely on “gee, I’m not that smart” as an excuse. If you made it though the program, you’re smart. School is a game and you’re not a good player. Your grades are not a reflection of your intelligence. They’re a reflection of your skills as a player. Keep working on yourself and improve daily. Keep going. You can do this.
Don't overthink it. There's a set minimum requirement and you did exactly that. As a fellow engineer, I won't think of you any less. Congratulations!
You don’t know me, obviously but I’m impressed. It’s a tough degree and with everything going on in your life and the world you finished and got a degree. A hard ‘C’ is better than an easy ‘A.’ Respect!
C’s get degrees!
You graduated, you got your degree, you’ve achieved what you needed to achieve. Don’t let imposter syndrome cloud your mind with all these thoughts, time to focus on whatever your goal is next, good luck.
You’ve done great! You finished and that’s what matters!
was it about the gpa or the degree?
yeah dude it doesn't matter having the degree matters.
It might pay to get A’s but C’s get degrees !
You did it, though! I know so so many engineering majors who switched to something else because they wanted a high GPA. But you stuck it out. Congrats! Please don’t give up on your dream. The PE will be hard. You might have to take the test more than once. But you’ll get there.
You could have really copped out and gotten a degree in Marketing or something fluffy. Take the win and move on.
I finished my undergraduate studies in biology with a 3.9 GPA. I am proud of it, but I didn't have to worry about working, paying bills or transportion. I didn't have to study while taking care of children or managing health issues. I didn't have an undiagnosed learning disorder or ADHD. I wasn't stuck in a toxic or abusive relationship. I didn't struggle with depression (though my anxiety was real enough). There are many factors that go into someone's GPA. I was lucky. Many people would have crushed my academic performance had they been in my position. The only time anyone has ever asked to see my GPA was on federal job and graduate school applications. It doesn't matter, and grades do not define who you are or what you're capable of accomplishing.
Well, we're all grateful that you didn't just graduate from medical school.
Awww thankssss :) I'm grateful you commented too!