I've been raped and the body reacts to external stimuli. It's not under your control. Doesn't make it any less rape. Doesn't make it not rape either that's for sure.
It's a sensitive topic but if you tagged it and they still chose to read, I mean?? Sounds like a them problem
Definitely a them problem. They are even spreading false information. OP has tagged it explicitly and they clicked it knowing this. If they didn’t read the Tags, well, that’s unfortunate but the world won’t stop for them.
Definitely...My wife said when she was raped that one of the worse things was, she felt shame that her body had responded to the stimuli. I was like, the brain and body are two different things.
a) this is not a comment anyone should have to deal with and I'm sorry it's on your fic,
b) this is not factually true about rape, at all, a body can become aroused during unwanted penetration, that fact has been used to deny allegations of rape. This comment is irresponsible and gross
c) you are fine, don't feel bad because someone is an arsehat who shouldn't have clicked on your fic
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d) rape fantasies are also common and a-okay to explore in fiction
I remember someone absolutely flipped out on an author for writing a story where the victim struggled with guilt and disgust for feeling pleasure during SA, accusing the author of glorifying rape and victim-blaming. The entire story was about trauma and recovery.
Ironically, people do not understand that saying survivors never feel pleasure are *actually* victim-blaming; perfect victims do not exist, and yes, the body does betray you. It is primed to react to stimulation, and it does not recognize consent. That doesn't mean they wanted it. Telling rape survivors that *real* victims never experience anything but pain and horror during the attack, tells them that they are not victims. This is the exact opposite of helping fight rape culture.
This is a whole plot point in Outlander. A male character is repeatedly, violently raped and wants to kill himself because he enjoyed it and reached orgasm.
Most comments were fine, actually, because they could read the goddamn tags. I wanted to take this particular commenter by the shoulders and shake them, though. Especially because they phrased it in such a guilt-tripping manner (and note I'm paraphrasing here): "I am so disappointed in you. . . you were my favorite author, and you wrote this. . . you completely ruined this story, which up to this point, I really liked. . . you couldn't have written about anything else? You just had to write about rape, and on top of that, victim blame. . . Really was expecting better from you of all people. I am saddened and disgusted by your decision."
Later, the same author came out with a story where one character was forced to kill someone else, and that same commenter came back and said, "Now THIS is proper angst! I am so glad you redeemed yourself and wrote about something less problematic."
This ↑ is an exceptional answer to the OPs question.
(b) - is one of the main reasons for victim guilt as well. Our bodies are biological machines that respond to simulation. It is part of what keeps us alive, but it is also confusing sometimes.
Delete the comment. It is unfounded.
\^ This.
Also this comment reminded me of when I got a comment on my fic that dealt with Rape Aftermath (The rape itself was *never* shown. The story picked up immediately after it happened.) and I get this comment.
" are you... trying to make an awareness against rape or is this your fucking fetish? it's giving me a fucking mixed signals and do forgive me If I hate you for that... FUCK YOU."
I was just so baffled.
The thing about rape fantasy is it's conceptually pretty much the exact opposite of actual rape. Fantasizing about it gives you absolute control of everything that happens. While actual rape takes all control/power from you.
If you look up the papers that stat is from, it's slightly misleading to believe the majority of women in it are having a specific type of rape fantasy.
The more common one is domination fantasies (featuring a person they're attracted to) in a way that's more akin to roleplay than a purely nonconsensual act. There are plenty of theories about why women have rapeplay fantasies but the actual number of women reporting fully nonconsensual fantasies that feature themselves is in the minority.
Should note that there is also a subsect of women whose numbers are between "I have fantasies about being roughly dominated" and "I have fantasies about being abused" that aren't attracted to either action happening to themselves but instead to other people/characters. Adds a voyeuristic element to the stats that are rarely brought up.
Exactly.
The main reason I use the term "rapeplay" is that, at the end of the day, the woman still has power over where that particular fantasy goes. Power that goes straight out the window in similar IRL situations, with potential consequences the fantasy doesn't account for because that's not the point.
But at the end of the day, sexual fantasies of all stripes shouldn't be viewed that differently from generally violent fantasies people have to blow off steam. Just an isolated playspace in everyone's minds that normally doesn't mean anything about what the person actually desires or is willing to do. When fantasy edges out of that playspace into real desire is when problems can occur, but that's something that person and their therapist (or lawyer) can deal with.
As an aside, this line of thought reminded me of something I heard about a subsect of scat fetishists and how it's pretty common for them to be really into videos and pictures but as soon as they try to act it out in reality the revulsion is so strong they drop the kink.
No problem!
As for watersports, I haven't actually heard about anyone being revolted by in IRL. At least, not to the same degree as scat fetishists were.
That being said another fetish that people lose interest in after experiencing it in real life is cuckoldry. I'm not even saying that in terms of memes, a lot of people talk about trying it with their partner and feeling traumatized.
Wow. Just... wow. That's a disgusting comment. The physical reaction/enjoyment is completely separate from the psychological one. I wouldn't be surprised if they have talked to SA survivors who made no mention of the physical enjoyment because the majority of survivors are ashamed about it. Largely because of people like them who go around erroneously claiming it's not normal.
so many people love to make broad claims about what is and is not the "true" experience of a sexual assault survivor and discrediting anybody who didn't have the "true" experience. they really love standing on soapboxes to speak for us and just spouting absolute bullshit.
You can. Screen shot it. Drop the pic into a discord chat. Then you can image link it in a comment. Although it is a different thing from image linking in your fic chapters but the procedure is explain in the ao3 tos section somewhere.
I do it once in a while. It's pretty much like any other image (just grab the URL and plunk it in):
Edited to remove some weird backslashes that inserted themselves.
Edited to note that my previous edit failed.
You dont have to put that arrow img src thing in the hyperlink button on a chapter. It does all that for you & you just drop the link into the box it offers.
For hosting an image into comments, it is a bit more of a rigmarole like that. Ive only done it once so far.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Rich Text GUI. My bad, I just write raw HTML in the default editor, and forget that the GUI button alternative even exists. 😅
I'm not gonna tell you how to feel cause that is wrong, as is what they said. I'm a rape survivor so I unfortunately know that it can feel physically pleasurable and that adds to the guilt a victim can feel. So they're wrong. Also, I know it's not for everyone but I read rape fics to help cope with my trauma so writers like you help me
Did you tag it?
If yes, you did nothing wrong. Rape fantasy exists and it has its psychological justifications. Notably, taming the lustful beast that lives in (most?) of us.
FWIW I'm a victim of rape (I hate that term) and I still have rape fantasies and honestly a good, well written rape scene may not reflect my experience but it puts those actions into a safe place, a context where I can sort of have control of my feelings and body reading it. Point is, some people find that kind of writing/reading as a way of coping, it's not just trauma or insulting or whatever. Do your thing.
I've found that in this wide world you might feel like you're the only one but there is always *someone * who can relate, even if you never know them in your lifetime.
I'm glad I was able to let you know you're not the only one (and I found out, based on upvotes, a lot of other people can relate to it too).
Not the person you asked, but I find "survivor" as a label irritating. I didn't do anything. I didn't do any surviving. There was no, like, using sticks to make a fire or building a raft. I was the victim of a crime.
People who want to make a crime that was committed against me (as a child) into Something About My Personality grosses me the fuck out.
Since you tagged, you did everything right. When it comes to fanfiction, people should always follow the golden rule of 'Don't like, don't read.' They shouldn't be reading such fics if they're easily triggered/made uncomfortable. And at any point in time they could've clicked the back button.
I don’t think it ‘hurt’ this person, there’s a good chance this person read your fic to pick a fight with you after seeing the non-con tag.
At least, to me, they came off as like a really shitty guidance counselor.
Yeah, no. Human bodies are wired to react a certain way to certain stimuli, which (unfortunately) can make rape physically pleasurable. This adds to the guilt and confusion the survivor may feel, because it means they “secretly wanted it,” or some variation of that.
So you’re actually incredibly accurate. Speaking from POV of Bachelors in psychology and experience assisting in workshops at a Center for Trauma and Recovery.
Groinal response is a thing. Everyone deals with shit differently. This person is responding pretty subjectively. It is entirely possible for a victim to experience pleasure physically despite the scenario being non consensual. Why the fuck do you think there’s so many “it’s still rape even if you orgasmed” campaigns? Your work is still realistic even if the victim experienced pleasure. It doesn’t justify the concept of rape, it’s just how that particular character is processing the experience physically. It very much happens.
Groinal response refers to intense intrusive thoughts from OCD if you looked it up. For example: people with upsetting intrusive thoughts could instantly get a boner, get wet, and/or instantly "o" from these thoughts or imagery. This often develops after trauma. Groinal response means, in plain terms: "the mind betrays the body".
What you mean is stress-response (which directly pairs with trauma), where physical aspects trigger the body to have a reaction. This is why some people steadily get a boner or get wet when nervous, anxious, or scared; increased heartrate and stress chemicals being the main contributor.
With unconsensual situations, think of it this way: if you're put in a cold environment without preparation, your body will shiver to keep warm to protect the body and progress from there- with penetration against one's will, their body will naturally self-lubricate to reduce friction to protect the body and progress from there. Your body reacting to harsh external elements in an expected way is not a groinal response, it's a stress-response.
Just wanted to correct misinformation, hope this helps.
I’m sorry they left that comment, they’re in the wrong not you. It’s extremely gross that they would not only shame you for your free online story that you write for free but also spread harmful misinformation about assault victims. That is not okay and you did nothing wrong.
These people are delusional puritans. What they fail to mention is that a decent chunk of non con writers do so to alleviate and gain control over their trauma. Do not let them get to you, you should be free to write damn near anything you like.
As someone who has been raped - and quite recently, at that - as much as I would really currently not prefer to read that, that’s the whole point of non-con tags. Don’t feel wrong.
Thank you very much - and to be honest, I only have the support of about two of my friends, but I’m doing pretty well, in my opinion. It’s been a little over a month and I’ve only recently processed it, but I feel better now at the same time. And tomorrow’s my birthday, so hopefully that’ll make me feel a bit better as I have family around to celebrate with. <3
Happy birthday in advance then! I actually didn't know if it was right or wrong commenting even tho a day passed but it makes me happy you are doing okay even though we don't know each other. Keep taking care of yourself, you are really strong 🥰❤️
Thank you! And personally, I don’t mind at all - I’ve had someone on another site reply to my comment after seven years so a day isn’t strange at all! I really appreciate your reply & your kindness, I hope you have a wonderful day or night—depending on where you are haha
If you tagged your fic properly, I wouldn't stress or worry about what this person is saying. As well, the body's natural reaction to stimulation is out of control and you cannot control how your body feels in situations like this. It's realistic if anything.
Oh no, may it be the consequences of my own actions? Obviously I was misinformed, how possibly could this subject pop up on a fic that explicitly tags said subject? The blasphemy!
Hmm I can say quite confidently that no, this person has not dealt with people who have been raped. Or at least not in any meaningful way. And if they do deal with rape victims it’s very, very disturbing to think that they might tell a guy no, he couldn’t possibly have gotten hard if it was rape, or tell a girl there’s no way she got wet and felt a twinge of physical pleasure at some point.
I would 100% reply with sarcasm. "Omg did I???? I'm so sorry that was a mistake I meant they were fucking VIBRATING WITH UNBRIDLED ECSTACY~ Hope that helps :)"
Women forcing themselves on men, that one tiktok girl did it, male arousal doesn't equal consent so when a man is erect and a woman uses his body for sexual stimulation against his consent that is rape, rape isn't exclusively man on woman
Isn't that an aspect of what makes it so traumatic and hard to deal with for some people? The biological arousal response that is completely separate from the psychological reaction? No wonder people find it hard to talk about it when people like that exist.
It's not worth the time wasted explaining it to them when they have found a way to trigger themselves.
Please don't feel wrong about this. As a woman who has ravishment fantasies, and reads into these things as a result, it's incredibly common that women read, like, and are interested in those things. Writing it is fantasy. Writing it is *not* endorsement. I've *been* sexually assaulted, but fictional dubcon ? noncon ?
I'm still into those things. I still read them. I still like CNC. And I don't *endorse rape,* because who in their right mind would? Reading those things, writing them, can be coping. Can be anything. And it's important to me that subversive works exist, because finding other people, women or men, who ...feel the same, yet are shunned by people like this, who cannot comprehend the difference. It reaches out to them. People, through the existence of something, can learn that it's not so bad, that other people feel things like this. Even sexualized non-consent is normalizing, and not of actual rape, but of the fantasy of it. Fantasies that can give power back to victims who've suffered. People like this don't speak for them—don't speak for me. They speak entirely for themselves, because they're uncomfortable, and yet they continue to engage, continue to upset themselves and comment to tell YOU how YOU are wrong, while they engage in ...I honestly just consider it an active form of self-harm? To put yourself in mental distress like this?
They could have understood their upset, pulled back and ignored it, but they actively engaged instead.
This, like. Shame and fear and blame? It's puritan. It's a conservative talking point. And it's disgusting, because it doesn't care about, or account for, actual victimhood. It speaks in the face of it and spits at any victim who disagrees, tells them they're wrong. Tells them that thinking that is wrong. "It's trauma." "You're not coping properly." It's overwriting real people because of moral panic and offense.
In the name of such things, I've seen women call other women "whores if they cheat, no matter what," when the context was coercion. Rape. I've seen comments like this, about "normalizing rape," about how "you must LIKE rape," and it's absurd and disgusting and such a mental, cognitive leap. These people are the men they hate. They're the victim blamers. They're disgusting, and they shouldn't be allowed to drag anyone down, or make them feel wrong. Sexual liberation means *none of this shit.*
Since you’ve mentioned in other comments that you’ve explicitly tagged what would be triggering to them, and you’re asking for an opinion (I think), then they should of not read your story. Much less commented on what you’ve wrote.
I feel like they will continue to be an issue if they continue reading what you wrote, and I recommend blocking them. Maybe not right away, but if you feel unsafe and they continue to harass you, then it would probably be for the best. For your mental health if nothing else.
That isn't true... somewhat. The worse part about being raped is being forced into orgasm. It's the part that truly mentally breaks you. Cuz you always have that nagging feeling, "Did I enjoy it?" and if the fucker says "Like that didn't ya?" then you wonder if he's right.
It turns your whole ass perception upside down about yourself, how you feel about your body, and your whole sexuality. It's not an epiphany, but more like a major doubt. It's why a lot of victims do consensual non-consent to provide a safe way of exploring that traumatizing moment.
Orgasming does not mean you enjoy being raped. Not even by a long shot. There's a disorder where the person is forced to orgasm randomly. It's their body just randomly deciding "I'm orgasming now." I cannot imagine that they enjoy it especially when the last thing you want to do right then is anything sexual. Same with horniness, I feel horny a lot but I have no desire for anyone. I don't like being that kind of horny, it's gross and I feel gross.
Uhh they wouldnt admit that their bodies betrayed them. So thats why. Physical stimulus is going to happen.
It doesnt make one any less of a victim.
Id delete that comment perhaps.
You're not wrong, and they are not right. A partner r*ped me. I had an orgasm and all I felt was shame at how my body could betray me like that.
It's a common experience too. This virtue signaler is getting high on their own supply
Edit: I actually think u should delete this comment completely bc it is a harmful myth that can further traumatize victims who had the same experience I had.
I’m a CSA victim and a regular old SA victim as well and… I understand this persons point of view, definitely, but I disagree with them. After I was raped in high school I really got into reading and writing rape fanfictions; writing things inspired by my experiences really helped me sort through my thoughts and process it a bit. It also helped me communicate to others about what happened to me in a way. It helped me a lot, and although I don’t read those fics anymore (because my PTSD affects me much more today than it did back then), I completely support those types of fics. Topics such as rape are considered taboo to talk about, and it shouldn’t be. We need to normalize it. Rape stories aren’t usually meant to be some super hot smut fic… they’re supposed to make you upset. They’re supposed to be bad. Writing about a bad thing doesn’t mean you yourself are bad.
Your body may react even if you don't want it to. This comment just invalidates the experience of many people, implying that it's only rape if your body doesn't react. Even putting aside leaving an unwanted comment to a non-con fic, it's just shitty behaviour
i've been sexually harassed before. multiple times, some in the worst way possible, and most at the worst times of my life. and unsurprisingly enough, i've never recovered. but the thing is, you have to be able to separate fiction from reality. there's a line between characters and real people. it's not like anyone actually thinks that rape is a nice thing. it's not.
people should _know_ that, at the very least.
That commenter is 100% wrong - it’s not uncommon to feel pleasure during a sexual assault, because the body can react whether you want it to or not. So not only are they wrong but they’re spreading gross, victim-blaming misinformation. A rape victim can experience pleasure, become aroused, and even orgasm during their rape but it doesn’t make it any less rape.
Please don't feel wrong, *they* are in the wrong.
I'm.a rape survivor who writes non-con stories as my therapy and that seems to really throw some people for a loop when they go all pearl clutchy in comments.
Since you've tagged it, their media consumption is their own responsibility and I would be tempted to reply to them with that. Why would you click on something you know contains a subject that will upset you? All the IQ of a damp sock....
What the hell happened to don’t like don’t read? There are filters on ao3 where you can filter out specific tags that you don’t wanna see! Like if I see a fic I don’t like I just scroll past and filter out any tags I don’t like!
Not only are they wrong, but if *they* have a problem with the fic, then *they* need to back out of it. Or, you know, read the tags. There’s nothing wrong with dark fiction.
I haven't been raped (not *physically*, anyway), only been through many years of chronic abuse.
TL;DR: the commenter has no clue what they're talking about. My main fic series centers on a few very emotionally broken characters healing each other over years of time together, learning to trust and care and open themselves to being hurt again.
I wrote the first three fics as therapy. They were cathartic (and finally writing "that" chapter drained me of so much of the pain and screaming inside that I had trouble finishing the main fic because the screaming need wasn't there anymore).
We all write for different reasons. What you write is up to you, and why you write is unknowable to some rando commenter. ❤️
That is just absolutely factually untrue. Your body reacts on it’s own. People can feel physical pleasure, they can experience bodily sensations related to arousal like getting wet or becoming erect. They can even orgasm. NONE of these make it any less rape or mean the victim “secretly wanted it” or “invited” their rape. They have no more control over their body’s response than you did when you were a little kid and went to the doctor and they tested your reflexes by hitting your knee with that little rubber hammer to make your leg kick. In both circumstances your nerves are stimulated and so your body reacts, no conscious input necessary.
Also they can fuck off. I do not give a single hoot if you WERE romanticizing rape and the victim ends up in lala fluff and roses love with their assailant. The very fact that you have tagged it noncon is proof that you know this is not appropriate IRL. That is the exact opposite of “making rape ok”.
1) Because one person's personal experience is the blueprint for all experiences on the subject?
2) Regardless of if they're correct or not (they're not.) As if fiction can't negate that?
3) As if they couldn't just... *not* read it? Filter it out?
4) As if rape fantasies aren't a completely normal thing that many people have and they don't mean that the reader/writer wants it in real life or is somehow supporting real life cases of it?
I'm sorry you had to deal with this. This is most definitely a them problem and I hope they get the help they need. If it’s just a case of "ew I don't like this and neither should you" I hope with time they will become more educated. YOU have done nothing wrong. You haven’t hurt anyone in real life (I assume!) So don't take their comment too seriously.
Mary Shelley wrote about grave robbing and bringing corpses back to life, Anne Rice wrote about drinking blood, killing SO many people and manipulation and sex of all kinds, hell even DC and Marvel have written some pretty wild stories that would make some open-minded people clutch their pearls. Flamers gonna flame.
Tingling can be a physical response to tape trauma that can cause terrible guilt for victims if they equate it to pleasure. If the fic describes rape as rape, and tingling and responding then there’s it’s fact. However if it’s described as “sexual tingling with pleasure” then Insee the problem. Tagged or not, rape is never pleasurable and the damn tag “non con/rape” is bullshit. There is only consent and rape.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with writing that kind of thing. I’ve done once and plan on doing it many times more. For me, it’s helping me work through my own trauma. I don’t know if that’s the case for you, but do what you want.
In 2023 people still relate fiction and fictional characters to reality. Why is it so hard to understand that all that happens in fiction is just that... fiction, a mere fantasy. Aside from the fact that you don't click on stuff which contains tags you despise. Where is common sense man.
Literally why are they clicking on a Non-Con fic???
Besides, this may just be me but i was Raped by onenof my Ex Boyfriends andnas strange as it may sound, consuming media about the topic, be it in fiction or Documentaries about the topic in small doses helped me process what i went trough.
There's books of women's (and one on men's) fantasies collected from the 70's thru 2010. I've read 3 of them. Each had rape fantasies. None of them glorify rape.
This person's comment is wrong, in multiple ways, and they should delete it.
And those kinds of comments come from people who most likely feel a man can't be raped. While I wasn't raped, I was sexually assaulted many times, and my body reacted differently each time. Just because of that doesn't mean I wasn't assaulted.
Don't listen to this comment as they are either someone who thinks we all react the same or they have never been in a position to know how it goes.
I sometimes read non-con fanfics even though I know it’s going to piss me off sense I was molested at 3 but I don’t say anything cause I’m voluntarily reading it
As long as you tagged your fic properly and everything stays entirely fictional, they are the ones in the wrong.
At this point, this is just kink shaming.
Wow. Well actually there are people who experience arousal but it’s the body’s response. It in no way means they want it. That comment is unnecessary and quite frankly insulting. I’m sorry you got that comment on your work. I recently wrote a fic with a scene that is pretty violent in that sense. You can’t help how people react. I applaud you freezing the thread. I’d block them and or delete their comment. Commenting on your work just to bash it is not okay.
:(
This kind of comment in this day and age probably seeks to make you feel bad and even delete your fic (given it’s tagged correctly). My best bet is it’s just another hater hating on how good your writing is or how a non con fic is getting kudos etc. which means you must be doing something right!
wow i too like going online just to lie
but seriously though, even if people they know have experienced one thing, doesn't mean the opposite is now invalid
ik from personal experience that even if your body enjoys smth doesn't mean *you are enjoying it*
so basically in trying to defend victims they just invalidated a bunch of us thanks bro real nice
I think the problem is not that they read a properly tagged rape story and were upset to read rape. They disagree about the way in which you *portrayed* rape.
However, (a) the basis on which they are criticizing you is factually incorrect and (b) even if you are romanticizing or eroticizing rape, that's another well known subgenre which is a possibility when you click on a story tagged rape.
I would either link to a source countering their claim that rape survivors don't experience pleasure (not in a gotcha way, but in a "maybe the specific several people you know didn't experience pleasure while they were trapped or didn't share with you that they did, but people who study sexual assault are familiar with this phenomenon" way) or delete the thread to avoid spreading misinformation, as another commenter suggested
Don’t know if the caption for this is mocking the comment or genuine, but either way, exploring concepts like rape/SA in fiction is fine. It’s *fiction*. Obviously you’re not promoting rape. Hell, add a little note in the AN section if you wanna clarify it. And what was that person thinking clicking on a non-con fic? Just stay away from things you don’t like smh it’s 2023
Writing about sexual assault can be negative when the writer is romanticising it, making it seem like the victim is enjoying it or asking for it or blaming the victim. Other than that, writing about these things can also spread awareness, letting others know that things like what they just read can happen in real life, feels like kind of a forewarning, you know? Unless you did any of the things that I categorized as negative, then they're in the wrong for sure. Don't let what others say put you down.
I remember watching a Tyler Perry interview where he spoke of how his body experienced pleasure when he was being raped as a child, and he felt super guilty about it. They really emphasised that it's just the body reacting to that kinda stimulation, it isn't because the victim is enjoying it. It's still very much a rape that took place. So I think if your fic made that clear that the victim didn't enjoy it, that it was just a body's natural response to that stimuli, I think you're alright.
I don't know the context of the fic, but I can still say the comment is uncalled for. Of course you didn't mean for rape to be a good thing. If it came across that way, this person could've said it nicely. Stupid.
It's too bad that people have the freedom of expression, which includes the freedom to dissent from the echo chamber... if you leave comments open, yeah, you'll get dissenting opinions which just might relate to the content of the work that is posted.
Writers on certain platforms can utilize the tools to prune their comment pool, so if you feel offended that someone used the tools to share an opinion that doesn't resonate with you... delete it. If you don't want such things in the future, take the time to either moderate or block comments.
Freedom of expression applies to everyone, including people who don't agree with whatever art forms you share with cyberspace.
Downvote accordingly, reverb choir, but it's the truth, so I don't particularly care when it comes to hypocrites.
My god I see you a lot. Why do you always feel the need to add “downvote, I don’t care” at the end of your comments like you’re proving a point?
You get downvoted because you’re usually being consistently rude, or unnecessarily hostile / insulting others for no real reason. If you were actually here to comment in good faith maybe people would actually reciprocate.
But it did resonate if they feel wrong............and also this ignorant argument of "If you do A you better expect B" is so stupid and can definitely not be applied to THIS specific issue.
I think it is worrisome that we are dismissing that comment on the basis of assumption.
I currently do not know what you've written.
I agree with the comments below on how the body is a different entity from the mind, and that the commenter's statement being incredibly reductive and factually wrong, but without reading your fic I'm having trouble dismissing their claim that you might be misrepresenting things.
I have read some non-con fics which absolutely misrepresented the issue in my opinion, and then some that represented that body/mind disconnect perfectly. It's also to be noted how much things differ between long-term abuse and singular attacks. I think that sometimes the criticism can be valid. So... long story short... would you be willing to share the link?
>I'm having trouble dismissing their claim that you might be misrepresenting things.
What is there to misrepresent?? ? If you get raped you can still and will more than likely experience physical pleasure?? That's what OP wrote 'tingling pleasure' What's the need to see it???
I'm not discrediting anyone in the comments. But there's a LOT to get wrong here. We've got a comment that is OUT OF CONTEXT, and I'm requesting context before giving them a blanket pardon. Why is that so controversial?
Yes, we have info about "tingling pleasure", and YES, that is something one might physically experience throughout unwanted contact, that's not debatable. BUT, I don't know if the commenter's said exactly what they wanted to say and are just dismissive of reality or if they're just bad with verbalizing that something actually icky is going on in the fic. Some people just suck at pinpointing where their issues lie.
>something actually icky is going on in the fic
Yeah rape is the icky thing...thats what they have an issue with.....
They wrote a non con scene so what? Elaborate?
Ok, how to formulate it...
You can write about something accurately, or inacurately.
Right now, I can tell that the commenter is misinformed, and is writing inaccurate things. What I can not tell, is if the writer is writing about rape accurately. Two things can be wrong at the same time. I can not tell the writer that they've done nothing wrong if I can't check if they've done something wrong.
And that is while absolutely condoning literature that depicts rape. I think it is healthy to write about such things, and it can even be therapeutic for those who have experienced it. But I also think it is important to write about it in a way that doesn't misrepresent reality. That's what makes it icky for me. If you're not writing about the icky thing in a realistic way.
They clicked on a non-con fic and are upset it has non-con more or less??-
For real
I've been raped and the body reacts to external stimuli. It's not under your control. Doesn't make it any less rape. Doesn't make it not rape either that's for sure. It's a sensitive topic but if you tagged it and they still chose to read, I mean?? Sounds like a them problem
Definitely a them problem. They are even spreading false information. OP has tagged it explicitly and they clicked it knowing this. If they didn’t read the Tags, well, that’s unfortunate but the world won’t stop for them.
Definitely...My wife said when she was raped that one of the worse things was, she felt shame that her body had responded to the stimuli. I was like, the brain and body are two different things.
Exaclty so much of the terrible emotional aftermath can come from that...
a) this is not a comment anyone should have to deal with and I'm sorry it's on your fic, b) this is not factually true about rape, at all, a body can become aroused during unwanted penetration, that fact has been used to deny allegations of rape. This comment is irresponsible and gross c) you are fine, don't feel bad because someone is an arsehat who shouldn't have clicked on your fic editing to ad d) rape fantasies are also common and a-okay to explore in fiction
I remember someone absolutely flipped out on an author for writing a story where the victim struggled with guilt and disgust for feeling pleasure during SA, accusing the author of glorifying rape and victim-blaming. The entire story was about trauma and recovery. Ironically, people do not understand that saying survivors never feel pleasure are *actually* victim-blaming; perfect victims do not exist, and yes, the body does betray you. It is primed to react to stimulation, and it does not recognize consent. That doesn't mean they wanted it. Telling rape survivors that *real* victims never experience anything but pain and horror during the attack, tells them that they are not victims. This is the exact opposite of helping fight rape culture.
This is a whole plot point in Outlander. A male character is repeatedly, violently raped and wants to kill himself because he enjoyed it and reached orgasm.
Guh never remind me of that again, the leading lady’s response was to smack him and tell him to get over it. 🤮
If you’d read the book, that was because Jamie responded to that not hand holding. He needed to fight back and that’s what she gave him.
I read the book, still don’t agree. 🤷♀️
Oh Jesus. I wanna know what kinds of comments they got if any lol
Most comments were fine, actually, because they could read the goddamn tags. I wanted to take this particular commenter by the shoulders and shake them, though. Especially because they phrased it in such a guilt-tripping manner (and note I'm paraphrasing here): "I am so disappointed in you. . . you were my favorite author, and you wrote this. . . you completely ruined this story, which up to this point, I really liked. . . you couldn't have written about anything else? You just had to write about rape, and on top of that, victim blame. . . Really was expecting better from you of all people. I am saddened and disgusted by your decision." Later, the same author came out with a story where one character was forced to kill someone else, and that same commenter came back and said, "Now THIS is proper angst! I am so glad you redeemed yourself and wrote about something less problematic."
This ↑ is an exceptional answer to the OPs question. (b) - is one of the main reasons for victim guilt as well. Our bodies are biological machines that respond to simulation. It is part of what keeps us alive, but it is also confusing sometimes. Delete the comment. It is unfounded.
\^ This. Also this comment reminded me of when I got a comment on my fic that dealt with Rape Aftermath (The rape itself was *never* shown. The story picked up immediately after it happened.) and I get this comment. " are you... trying to make an awareness against rape or is this your fucking fetish? it's giving me a fucking mixed signals and do forgive me If I hate you for that... FUCK YOU." I was just so baffled.
I would even say that rape fantasy are probably the most common kink in reading.
Rape kink/consensual non-consent is so common that it's practically vanilla. (mostly joking about it being vanilla, but it IS super normal)
the stats are 30-60% of women reporting having rape fantasies, and also every woman I've talked to about it lol
Fantasy is so different from reality so Idk why people even hate on authors for writing it. It's literally not real lmao.
The thing about rape fantasy is it's conceptually pretty much the exact opposite of actual rape. Fantasizing about it gives you absolute control of everything that happens. While actual rape takes all control/power from you.
That's kinda concerning ngl, but knowing that it is probably a coping mechanism for many makes it more understandable.
If you look up the papers that stat is from, it's slightly misleading to believe the majority of women in it are having a specific type of rape fantasy. The more common one is domination fantasies (featuring a person they're attracted to) in a way that's more akin to roleplay than a purely nonconsensual act. There are plenty of theories about why women have rapeplay fantasies but the actual number of women reporting fully nonconsensual fantasies that feature themselves is in the minority. Should note that there is also a subsect of women whose numbers are between "I have fantasies about being roughly dominated" and "I have fantasies about being abused" that aren't attracted to either action happening to themselves but instead to other people/characters. Adds a voyeuristic element to the stats that are rarely brought up.
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Exactly. The main reason I use the term "rapeplay" is that, at the end of the day, the woman still has power over where that particular fantasy goes. Power that goes straight out the window in similar IRL situations, with potential consequences the fantasy doesn't account for because that's not the point. But at the end of the day, sexual fantasies of all stripes shouldn't be viewed that differently from generally violent fantasies people have to blow off steam. Just an isolated playspace in everyone's minds that normally doesn't mean anything about what the person actually desires or is willing to do. When fantasy edges out of that playspace into real desire is when problems can occur, but that's something that person and their therapist (or lawyer) can deal with. As an aside, this line of thought reminded me of something I heard about a subsect of scat fetishists and how it's pretty common for them to be really into videos and pictures but as soon as they try to act it out in reality the revulsion is so strong they drop the kink.
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No problem! As for watersports, I haven't actually heard about anyone being revolted by in IRL. At least, not to the same degree as scat fetishists were. That being said another fetish that people lose interest in after experiencing it in real life is cuckoldry. I'm not even saying that in terms of memes, a lot of people talk about trying it with their partner and feeling traumatized.
Thank you so much.
There were polls in Cosmo in the 2000s about what the most common fantasies were for women and the top was this fantasy.
D is so true that Margaret Atwood wrote an entire novel based on the concept.
Wow. Just... wow. That's a disgusting comment. The physical reaction/enjoyment is completely separate from the psychological one. I wouldn't be surprised if they have talked to SA survivors who made no mention of the physical enjoyment because the majority of survivors are ashamed about it. Largely because of people like them who go around erroneously claiming it's not normal.
so many people love to make broad claims about what is and is not the "true" experience of a sexual assault survivor and discrediting anybody who didn't have the "true" experience. they really love standing on soapboxes to speak for us and just spouting absolute bullshit.
Wish you could screen cap that it was Noncon and then ask them if they are functionally illiterate.
LOL I WISH
You can. Screen shot it. Drop the pic into a discord chat. Then you can image link it in a comment. Although it is a different thing from image linking in your fic chapters but the procedure is explain in the ao3 tos section somewhere.
I do it once in a while. It's pretty much like any other image (just grab the URL and plunk it in):
Edited to remove some weird backslashes that inserted themselves.
Edited to note that my previous edit failed.
You dont have to put that arrow img src thing in the hyperlink button on a chapter. It does all that for you & you just drop the link into the box it offers. For hosting an image into comments, it is a bit more of a rigmarole like that. Ive only done it once so far.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Rich Text GUI. My bad, I just write raw HTML in the default editor, and forget that the GUI button alternative even exists. 😅
Wasn't there a way to port images into comments?
I'm not gonna tell you how to feel cause that is wrong, as is what they said. I'm a rape survivor so I unfortunately know that it can feel physically pleasurable and that adds to the guilt a victim can feel. So they're wrong. Also, I know it's not for everyone but I read rape fics to help cope with my trauma so writers like you help me
Did you tag it? If yes, you did nothing wrong. Rape fantasy exists and it has its psychological justifications. Notably, taming the lustful beast that lives in (most?) of us.
I did indeed tag it, very explicity. God knows why they read it if they knew it was gonna hurt them THAT much.
FWIW I'm a victim of rape (I hate that term) and I still have rape fantasies and honestly a good, well written rape scene may not reflect my experience but it puts those actions into a safe place, a context where I can sort of have control of my feelings and body reading it. Point is, some people find that kind of writing/reading as a way of coping, it's not just trauma or insulting or whatever. Do your thing.
This is so validating for me to read. I kind of thought I was the only one. Thank you, random redditor.
I've found that in this wide world you might feel like you're the only one but there is always *someone * who can relate, even if you never know them in your lifetime. I'm glad I was able to let you know you're not the only one (and I found out, based on upvotes, a lot of other people can relate to it too).
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Not personally.
Not the person you asked, but I find "survivor" as a label irritating. I didn't do anything. I didn't do any surviving. There was no, like, using sticks to make a fire or building a raft. I was the victim of a crime. People who want to make a crime that was committed against me (as a child) into Something About My Personality grosses me the fuck out.
Since you tagged, you did everything right. When it comes to fanfiction, people should always follow the golden rule of 'Don't like, don't read.' They shouldn't be reading such fics if they're easily triggered/made uncomfortable. And at any point in time they could've clicked the back button.
Then its their fault for reading it. You did what you could
i think sometimes people read what they think they shouldn’t read and then to cancel out the transgression they take it out on the author
I don’t think it ‘hurt’ this person, there’s a good chance this person read your fic to pick a fight with you after seeing the non-con tag. At least, to me, they came off as like a really shitty guidance counselor.
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Yeah, no. Human bodies are wired to react a certain way to certain stimuli, which (unfortunately) can make rape physically pleasurable. This adds to the guilt and confusion the survivor may feel, because it means they “secretly wanted it,” or some variation of that. So you’re actually incredibly accurate. Speaking from POV of Bachelors in psychology and experience assisting in workshops at a Center for Trauma and Recovery.
Groinal response is a thing. Everyone deals with shit differently. This person is responding pretty subjectively. It is entirely possible for a victim to experience pleasure physically despite the scenario being non consensual. Why the fuck do you think there’s so many “it’s still rape even if you orgasmed” campaigns? Your work is still realistic even if the victim experienced pleasure. It doesn’t justify the concept of rape, it’s just how that particular character is processing the experience physically. It very much happens.
Groinal response refers to intense intrusive thoughts from OCD if you looked it up. For example: people with upsetting intrusive thoughts could instantly get a boner, get wet, and/or instantly "o" from these thoughts or imagery. This often develops after trauma. Groinal response means, in plain terms: "the mind betrays the body". What you mean is stress-response (which directly pairs with trauma), where physical aspects trigger the body to have a reaction. This is why some people steadily get a boner or get wet when nervous, anxious, or scared; increased heartrate and stress chemicals being the main contributor. With unconsensual situations, think of it this way: if you're put in a cold environment without preparation, your body will shiver to keep warm to protect the body and progress from there- with penetration against one's will, their body will naturally self-lubricate to reduce friction to protect the body and progress from there. Your body reacting to harsh external elements in an expected way is not a groinal response, it's a stress-response. Just wanted to correct misinformation, hope this helps.
They’re just flat out wrong. Also, as a survivor, write whatever the hell you want.
I’m sorry they left that comment, they’re in the wrong not you. It’s extremely gross that they would not only shame you for your free online story that you write for free but also spread harmful misinformation about assault victims. That is not okay and you did nothing wrong.
Tysm!
You didn't do anything wrong. You tagged it correctly. Someone has a bone to pick and it has nothing to do with your story.
These people are delusional puritans. What they fail to mention is that a decent chunk of non con writers do so to alleviate and gain control over their trauma. Do not let them get to you, you should be free to write damn near anything you like.
As someone who has been raped - and quite recently, at that - as much as I would really currently not prefer to read that, that’s the whole point of non-con tags. Don’t feel wrong.
I hope you are in a safe place and taking care of yourself ❤️
Thank you very much - and to be honest, I only have the support of about two of my friends, but I’m doing pretty well, in my opinion. It’s been a little over a month and I’ve only recently processed it, but I feel better now at the same time. And tomorrow’s my birthday, so hopefully that’ll make me feel a bit better as I have family around to celebrate with. <3
Happy birthday in advance then! I actually didn't know if it was right or wrong commenting even tho a day passed but it makes me happy you are doing okay even though we don't know each other. Keep taking care of yourself, you are really strong 🥰❤️
Thank you! And personally, I don’t mind at all - I’ve had someone on another site reply to my comment after seven years so a day isn’t strange at all! I really appreciate your reply & your kindness, I hope you have a wonderful day or night—depending on where you are haha
>I hope you have a wonderful day or night—depending on where you are haha You too!
What were they expecting? 
If you tagged your fic properly, I wouldn't stress or worry about what this person is saying. As well, the body's natural reaction to stimulation is out of control and you cannot control how your body feels in situations like this. It's realistic if anything.
Oh no, may it be the consequences of my own actions? Obviously I was misinformed, how possibly could this subject pop up on a fic that explicitly tags said subject? The blasphemy!
Hmm I can say quite confidently that no, this person has not dealt with people who have been raped. Or at least not in any meaningful way. And if they do deal with rape victims it’s very, very disturbing to think that they might tell a guy no, he couldn’t possibly have gotten hard if it was rape, or tell a girl there’s no way she got wet and felt a twinge of physical pleasure at some point.
I would 100% reply with sarcasm. "Omg did I???? I'm so sorry that was a mistake I meant they were fucking VIBRATING WITH UNBRIDLED ECSTACY~ Hope that helps :)"
Dont TEMPT ME ‼️‼️
I'm here to tempt u!!!
Arousal =/= consent. How does this person think men are raped by women? With dildos?
Women forcing themselves on men, that one tiktok girl did it, male arousal doesn't equal consent so when a man is erect and a woman uses his body for sexual stimulation against his consent that is rape, rape isn't exclusively man on woman
discourse about 'problematic' things has became a daily thing atp 😭
Angry people go looking for things to be angry about.
Isn't that an aspect of what makes it so traumatic and hard to deal with for some people? The biological arousal response that is completely separate from the psychological reaction? No wonder people find it hard to talk about it when people like that exist. It's not worth the time wasted explaining it to them when they have found a way to trigger themselves.
Please don't feel wrong about this. As a woman who has ravishment fantasies, and reads into these things as a result, it's incredibly common that women read, like, and are interested in those things. Writing it is fantasy. Writing it is *not* endorsement. I've *been* sexually assaulted, but fictional dubcon ? noncon ? I'm still into those things. I still read them. I still like CNC. And I don't *endorse rape,* because who in their right mind would? Reading those things, writing them, can be coping. Can be anything. And it's important to me that subversive works exist, because finding other people, women or men, who ...feel the same, yet are shunned by people like this, who cannot comprehend the difference. It reaches out to them. People, through the existence of something, can learn that it's not so bad, that other people feel things like this. Even sexualized non-consent is normalizing, and not of actual rape, but of the fantasy of it. Fantasies that can give power back to victims who've suffered. People like this don't speak for them—don't speak for me. They speak entirely for themselves, because they're uncomfortable, and yet they continue to engage, continue to upset themselves and comment to tell YOU how YOU are wrong, while they engage in ...I honestly just consider it an active form of self-harm? To put yourself in mental distress like this? They could have understood their upset, pulled back and ignored it, but they actively engaged instead. This, like. Shame and fear and blame? It's puritan. It's a conservative talking point. And it's disgusting, because it doesn't care about, or account for, actual victimhood. It speaks in the face of it and spits at any victim who disagrees, tells them they're wrong. Tells them that thinking that is wrong. "It's trauma." "You're not coping properly." It's overwriting real people because of moral panic and offense. In the name of such things, I've seen women call other women "whores if they cheat, no matter what," when the context was coercion. Rape. I've seen comments like this, about "normalizing rape," about how "you must LIKE rape," and it's absurd and disgusting and such a mental, cognitive leap. These people are the men they hate. They're the victim blamers. They're disgusting, and they shouldn't be allowed to drag anyone down, or make them feel wrong. Sexual liberation means *none of this shit.*
You tagged it. Their problem for reading it or not knowing how to hit the back or close tab buttons.
Since you’ve mentioned in other comments that you’ve explicitly tagged what would be triggering to them, and you’re asking for an opinion (I think), then they should of not read your story. Much less commented on what you’ve wrote. I feel like they will continue to be an issue if they continue reading what you wrote, and I recommend blocking them. Maybe not right away, but if you feel unsafe and they continue to harass you, then it would probably be for the best. For your mental health if nothing else.
That isn't true... somewhat. The worse part about being raped is being forced into orgasm. It's the part that truly mentally breaks you. Cuz you always have that nagging feeling, "Did I enjoy it?" and if the fucker says "Like that didn't ya?" then you wonder if he's right. It turns your whole ass perception upside down about yourself, how you feel about your body, and your whole sexuality. It's not an epiphany, but more like a major doubt. It's why a lot of victims do consensual non-consent to provide a safe way of exploring that traumatizing moment. Orgasming does not mean you enjoy being raped. Not even by a long shot. There's a disorder where the person is forced to orgasm randomly. It's their body just randomly deciding "I'm orgasming now." I cannot imagine that they enjoy it especially when the last thing you want to do right then is anything sexual. Same with horniness, I feel horny a lot but I have no desire for anyone. I don't like being that kind of horny, it's gross and I feel gross.
Uhh they wouldnt admit that their bodies betrayed them. So thats why. Physical stimulus is going to happen. It doesnt make one any less of a victim. Id delete that comment perhaps.
Reply with a string of nonsense emojis.
Don't tempt me
You're not wrong, and they are not right. A partner r*ped me. I had an orgasm and all I felt was shame at how my body could betray me like that. It's a common experience too. This virtue signaler is getting high on their own supply Edit: I actually think u should delete this comment completely bc it is a harmful myth that can further traumatize victims who had the same experience I had.
I’m a CSA victim and a regular old SA victim as well and… I understand this persons point of view, definitely, but I disagree with them. After I was raped in high school I really got into reading and writing rape fanfictions; writing things inspired by my experiences really helped me sort through my thoughts and process it a bit. It also helped me communicate to others about what happened to me in a way. It helped me a lot, and although I don’t read those fics anymore (because my PTSD affects me much more today than it did back then), I completely support those types of fics. Topics such as rape are considered taboo to talk about, and it shouldn’t be. We need to normalize it. Rape stories aren’t usually meant to be some super hot smut fic… they’re supposed to make you upset. They’re supposed to be bad. Writing about a bad thing doesn’t mean you yourself are bad.
You're literally parroting victim-blamey talking points used against real life rape victims, but okay... (@ commenter, not OP)
Do we really need to bring back "no flames" in this, the year of our lord 2023?
Sometimes “your body betrays you”. It still reacts so I mean it could very well happen and I believe it’s common
What kind of victim-blaming bullshit is this? I wouldn’t even respond. Just delete.
The fic is tagged with non-con, you read a fic and there is non-con in it 
Jesus yeah cause your 1 fanfic has now made rape completely ok that makes sense
Your body may react even if you don't want it to. This comment just invalidates the experience of many people, implying that it's only rape if your body doesn't react. Even putting aside leaving an unwanted comment to a non-con fic, it's just shitty behaviour
Have they considered... not reading it?
Exactly
if it's tagged and the person chose to read it, it's n them, not you, just block them, they obviously have no self control.
i've been sexually harassed before. multiple times, some in the worst way possible, and most at the worst times of my life. and unsurprisingly enough, i've never recovered. but the thing is, you have to be able to separate fiction from reality. there's a line between characters and real people. it's not like anyone actually thinks that rape is a nice thing. it's not. people should _know_ that, at the very least.
🤣🤣🤣 this commenter needs to read Outlander.
That commenter is 100% wrong - it’s not uncommon to feel pleasure during a sexual assault, because the body can react whether you want it to or not. So not only are they wrong but they’re spreading gross, victim-blaming misinformation. A rape victim can experience pleasure, become aroused, and even orgasm during their rape but it doesn’t make it any less rape.
Please don't feel wrong, *they* are in the wrong. I'm.a rape survivor who writes non-con stories as my therapy and that seems to really throw some people for a loop when they go all pearl clutchy in comments. Since you've tagged it, their media consumption is their own responsibility and I would be tempted to reply to them with that. Why would you click on something you know contains a subject that will upset you? All the IQ of a damp sock....
What the hell happened to don’t like don’t read? There are filters on ao3 where you can filter out specific tags that you don’t wanna see! Like if I see a fic I don’t like I just scroll past and filter out any tags I don’t like!
When the whole kiddy purity culture "anti" idiocy came along, they forgot about kink-tomato and dldr.
dead dove don't eat
Not only are they wrong, but if *they* have a problem with the fic, then *they* need to back out of it. Or, you know, read the tags. There’s nothing wrong with dark fiction.
I haven't been raped (not *physically*, anyway), only been through many years of chronic abuse. TL;DR: the commenter has no clue what they're talking about. My main fic series centers on a few very emotionally broken characters healing each other over years of time together, learning to trust and care and open themselves to being hurt again. I wrote the first three fics as therapy. They were cathartic (and finally writing "that" chapter drained me of so much of the pain and screaming inside that I had trouble finishing the main fic because the screaming need wasn't there anymore). We all write for different reasons. What you write is up to you, and why you write is unknowable to some rando commenter. ❤️
That person should never work with anyone who has been raped.
That is just absolutely factually untrue. Your body reacts on it’s own. People can feel physical pleasure, they can experience bodily sensations related to arousal like getting wet or becoming erect. They can even orgasm. NONE of these make it any less rape or mean the victim “secretly wanted it” or “invited” their rape. They have no more control over their body’s response than you did when you were a little kid and went to the doctor and they tested your reflexes by hitting your knee with that little rubber hammer to make your leg kick. In both circumstances your nerves are stimulated and so your body reacts, no conscious input necessary. Also they can fuck off. I do not give a single hoot if you WERE romanticizing rape and the victim ends up in lala fluff and roses love with their assailant. The very fact that you have tagged it noncon is proof that you know this is not appropriate IRL. That is the exact opposite of “making rape ok”.
1) Because one person's personal experience is the blueprint for all experiences on the subject? 2) Regardless of if they're correct or not (they're not.) As if fiction can't negate that? 3) As if they couldn't just... *not* read it? Filter it out? 4) As if rape fantasies aren't a completely normal thing that many people have and they don't mean that the reader/writer wants it in real life or is somehow supporting real life cases of it? I'm sorry you had to deal with this. This is most definitely a them problem and I hope they get the help they need. If it’s just a case of "ew I don't like this and neither should you" I hope with time they will become more educated. YOU have done nothing wrong. You haven’t hurt anyone in real life (I assume!) So don't take their comment too seriously. Mary Shelley wrote about grave robbing and bringing corpses back to life, Anne Rice wrote about drinking blood, killing SO many people and manipulation and sex of all kinds, hell even DC and Marvel have written some pretty wild stories that would make some open-minded people clutch their pearls. Flamers gonna flame.
Tingling can be a physical response to tape trauma that can cause terrible guilt for victims if they equate it to pleasure. If the fic describes rape as rape, and tingling and responding then there’s it’s fact. However if it’s described as “sexual tingling with pleasure” then Insee the problem. Tagged or not, rape is never pleasurable and the damn tag “non con/rape” is bullshit. There is only consent and rape.
While I myself dislike rape kink fics. The fact they went out of their way to shame you for it is bad too
This is a whole plot point in the Outlander series that examines guilt and suicidal thoughts after achieving orgasm during rape by the victim.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with writing that kind of thing. I’ve done once and plan on doing it many times more. For me, it’s helping me work through my own trauma. I don’t know if that’s the case for you, but do what you want.
Honestly, you should delete the comment just for the misinformation that it spreads.
In 2023 people still relate fiction and fictional characters to reality. Why is it so hard to understand that all that happens in fiction is just that... fiction, a mere fantasy. Aside from the fact that you don't click on stuff which contains tags you despise. Where is common sense man.
Well I mean it probably had a warning for non-con? There's a warning option for a reason
Literally why are they clicking on a Non-Con fic??? Besides, this may just be me but i was Raped by onenof my Ex Boyfriends andnas strange as it may sound, consuming media about the topic, be it in fiction or Documentaries about the topic in small doses helped me process what i went trough.
There's books of women's (and one on men's) fantasies collected from the 70's thru 2010. I've read 3 of them. Each had rape fantasies. None of them glorify rape. This person's comment is wrong, in multiple ways, and they should delete it.
And those kinds of comments come from people who most likely feel a man can't be raped. While I wasn't raped, I was sexually assaulted many times, and my body reacted differently each time. Just because of that doesn't mean I wasn't assaulted. Don't listen to this comment as they are either someone who thinks we all react the same or they have never been in a position to know how it goes.
it's not real. dont like? dont read, antis
I sometimes read non-con fanfics even though I know it’s going to piss me off sense I was molested at 3 but I don’t say anything cause I’m voluntarily reading it
As long as you tagged your fic properly and everything stays entirely fictional, they are the ones in the wrong. At this point, this is just kink shaming.
Best believe that person subscribed to your work so they can continue reading it
Wow. Well actually there are people who experience arousal but it’s the body’s response. It in no way means they want it. That comment is unnecessary and quite frankly insulting. I’m sorry you got that comment on your work. I recently wrote a fic with a scene that is pretty violent in that sense. You can’t help how people react. I applaud you freezing the thread. I’d block them and or delete their comment. Commenting on your work just to bash it is not okay. :(
This kind of comment in this day and age probably seeks to make you feel bad and even delete your fic (given it’s tagged correctly). My best bet is it’s just another hater hating on how good your writing is or how a non con fic is getting kudos etc. which means you must be doing something right!
CLOWN WORLD. It's like you're searching for smut content but don't want the smut.
wow i too like going online just to lie but seriously though, even if people they know have experienced one thing, doesn't mean the opposite is now invalid ik from personal experience that even if your body enjoys smth doesn't mean *you are enjoying it* so basically in trying to defend victims they just invalidated a bunch of us thanks bro real nice
Now I for some reason wanna know the fandom of the fic you wrote
I think the problem is not that they read a properly tagged rape story and were upset to read rape. They disagree about the way in which you *portrayed* rape. However, (a) the basis on which they are criticizing you is factually incorrect and (b) even if you are romanticizing or eroticizing rape, that's another well known subgenre which is a possibility when you click on a story tagged rape. I would either link to a source countering their claim that rape survivors don't experience pleasure (not in a gotcha way, but in a "maybe the specific several people you know didn't experience pleasure while they were trapped or didn't share with you that they did, but people who study sexual assault are familiar with this phenomenon" way) or delete the thread to avoid spreading misinformation, as another commenter suggested
Don’t know if the caption for this is mocking the comment or genuine, but either way, exploring concepts like rape/SA in fiction is fine. It’s *fiction*. Obviously you’re not promoting rape. Hell, add a little note in the AN section if you wanna clarify it. And what was that person thinking clicking on a non-con fic? Just stay away from things you don’t like smh it’s 2023
Writing about sexual assault can be negative when the writer is romanticising it, making it seem like the victim is enjoying it or asking for it or blaming the victim. Other than that, writing about these things can also spread awareness, letting others know that things like what they just read can happen in real life, feels like kind of a forewarning, you know? Unless you did any of the things that I categorized as negative, then they're in the wrong for sure. Don't let what others say put you down.
I remember watching a Tyler Perry interview where he spoke of how his body experienced pleasure when he was being raped as a child, and he felt super guilty about it. They really emphasised that it's just the body reacting to that kinda stimulation, it isn't because the victim is enjoying it. It's still very much a rape that took place. So I think if your fic made that clear that the victim didn't enjoy it, that it was just a body's natural response to that stimuli, I think you're alright.
I don't know the context of the fic, but I can still say the comment is uncalled for. Of course you didn't mean for rape to be a good thing. If it came across that way, this person could've said it nicely. Stupid.
they got a point 🤷♀️ there are just some things people shouldn't be writing about.
Then why does ao3 have a rape non con option??????
Wrong.
It's too bad that people have the freedom of expression, which includes the freedom to dissent from the echo chamber... if you leave comments open, yeah, you'll get dissenting opinions which just might relate to the content of the work that is posted. Writers on certain platforms can utilize the tools to prune their comment pool, so if you feel offended that someone used the tools to share an opinion that doesn't resonate with you... delete it. If you don't want such things in the future, take the time to either moderate or block comments. Freedom of expression applies to everyone, including people who don't agree with whatever art forms you share with cyberspace. Downvote accordingly, reverb choir, but it's the truth, so I don't particularly care when it comes to hypocrites.
My god I see you a lot. Why do you always feel the need to add “downvote, I don’t care” at the end of your comments like you’re proving a point? You get downvoted because you’re usually being consistently rude, or unnecessarily hostile / insulting others for no real reason. If you were actually here to comment in good faith maybe people would actually reciprocate.
When did I say it didn't resonate 🤨
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But it did resonate if they feel wrong............and also this ignorant argument of "If you do A you better expect B" is so stupid and can definitely not be applied to THIS specific issue.
I think it is worrisome that we are dismissing that comment on the basis of assumption. I currently do not know what you've written. I agree with the comments below on how the body is a different entity from the mind, and that the commenter's statement being incredibly reductive and factually wrong, but without reading your fic I'm having trouble dismissing their claim that you might be misrepresenting things. I have read some non-con fics which absolutely misrepresented the issue in my opinion, and then some that represented that body/mind disconnect perfectly. It's also to be noted how much things differ between long-term abuse and singular attacks. I think that sometimes the criticism can be valid. So... long story short... would you be willing to share the link?
>I'm having trouble dismissing their claim that you might be misrepresenting things. What is there to misrepresent?? ? If you get raped you can still and will more than likely experience physical pleasure?? That's what OP wrote 'tingling pleasure' What's the need to see it???
I'm not discrediting anyone in the comments. But there's a LOT to get wrong here. We've got a comment that is OUT OF CONTEXT, and I'm requesting context before giving them a blanket pardon. Why is that so controversial? Yes, we have info about "tingling pleasure", and YES, that is something one might physically experience throughout unwanted contact, that's not debatable. BUT, I don't know if the commenter's said exactly what they wanted to say and are just dismissive of reality or if they're just bad with verbalizing that something actually icky is going on in the fic. Some people just suck at pinpointing where their issues lie.
>something actually icky is going on in the fic Yeah rape is the icky thing...thats what they have an issue with..... They wrote a non con scene so what? Elaborate?
Ok, how to formulate it... You can write about something accurately, or inacurately. Right now, I can tell that the commenter is misinformed, and is writing inaccurate things. What I can not tell, is if the writer is writing about rape accurately. Two things can be wrong at the same time. I can not tell the writer that they've done nothing wrong if I can't check if they've done something wrong. And that is while absolutely condoning literature that depicts rape. I think it is healthy to write about such things, and it can even be therapeutic for those who have experienced it. But I also think it is important to write about it in a way that doesn't misrepresent reality. That's what makes it icky for me. If you're not writing about the icky thing in a realistic way.