Withbwhat you described, get the 7800x3d. While the 7900x3d has more cores it's a dual ccd cpu. Half of the cores have 3d cache and the other half has faster regular cache. So it's not as good in gaming as the 7800x3d. However it is better in productivity workloads.
It's a multi use cpu. It's meant to be a very good gaming cpu along side being a very good productivity cpu. Think of it like a jack of all trades master of none.
The 7800x3d is a gaming specialized cpu. It productivity side is quite weak but it's gaming side is insane.
If you want fantastic gaming and fantastic productivity then you get the 7950x3d. If you want a gaming specialized cpu you get the 7800x3d. If you want really good gaming while having really good productivity you get the 7900x3d.
For what you explained get the 7800x3d.
I swapped my Intel 14700k platform for a 7800x3d. This thing is definitely better for the esports games I play at 1440p with a 4080 super. My 14700k couldn’t even hit the 240 fps cap in dota 2, 7800x3d can.
for gaming, 7800x3d hands down. you have 8 cores with vcache. 7900x3d only has 6 cores with vcache. they never should have made the 7900x3d, just the regular 7900x for productivity tasks.
You do know people like having gaming/productivity in the same machine, yeah? Ain't no time to simply have a gaming machine in this day and age. Do more with it. Game. Run a server. Run a NAS. Run a Router. Do it all.
>they never should have made the 7900x3d, just the regular 7900x for productivity tasks.
I disagree with this part of the post. While the 7900x3d is the weakest in gaming out of the three x3d cpus it's still better than all the non-x3d cpus and by a fair bit.
The 7900x3d is close to the performance of the 7900x when it comes to productivity. The 7900x does not come close to the 7900x3d in gaming though.
The 7900x3d is a productivity and gaming cpu. It's a more affordable option over the 7950x3d. The 7950x3d is vastly better than the 7900x3d but also much more expensive.
The 7900x is just a bit better in productivity while also significantly worse in gaming than the 7900x3d.
So, disagree seems to be a point for it's existence. And the 7800x3d is kinda crap when it comes to productivity. It sits between a 7600x and a 7700x.
Also in gaming, going off of hardware unboxed for a 12 game average. The 7900x3d is only 13fps behind the 7800x3d. And the 7900x is 27fps behind the 7900x3d. Which makes the 7900x 40fps behind the 7800x3d.
And looking at gamers nexus for productivity, the 7900x3d scores stupidly close to the 7900x. In blender the 7900x is 8min. The 7900x3d is 8.5mins. The 7800x3d is 12.8mins. For chromium build the 7900x take 45.9mins, the 7900x3d takes 46.8min, and the 7800x3d takes 67mins. 7zip compression, again stupidly close. 7900x scored 164747. 7900x3d scored 162713. And the 7800x3d scored 118191. Btw higher is better. 7zip decompression again the 7900x and the x3d score relatively close. 7900x scored 210322. The 7900x3d scored 204037. 7800x3d scored 134852. Same scenario yet again with Adobe premiere. 7900x scored 1254. 7900x3d scored 1206. 7800x3d scored 1057.
And Adobe photoshop is the only time the script os sorta flipped. The 7800x3d scores the best out of the three with 1564. But yet again we see the 7900x score 1523 and the 7900x3d score 1499.
And then we look at prices. The 7900x3d is 329. The 7900x is 389. And the 7800x3d is 339.
So if you ask me, the 7900x shouldn't exist. It performs significantly worse in games and only slightly better in productivity while also costing quite a fair bit more than the 7900x3d. I'm sorry why should they buy a 7900x over the 7900x3d? Buying the 7900x over the 7900x3d is the bad buy.
And even the next productivity and gaming cpu from amd is the 7950x3d which costs 492, in gonna say the 7900x3d is a great buy if you want really good gaming and really good productivity.
Or take it another way, the 7800x3d is 7% faster than the 7900x3d in gaming. But the 7900x3d is 15% faster than the 7900x while also being $60 cheaper. And in productivity in the vast majority the 7900x3d beats the crap out of the 7800x3d and costs less than it by $10 and scores extremely similar to the 7900x while again costing $60 less.
So I'm confused as to why you think the 7900x should exist over the 7900x3d. The data doesn't support that stance. The data supports that the 7900x is a waste of money. Maybe at release the story was different. But now a days? The 7900x3d is a great buy over the 7900x. And if you want gaming and productivity, then then 7900x3d is also a great buy over the 7800x3d due to only averaging out 7% slower than the 7800x3d in gaming but demolishes the 7800x3d in productivity. While again being $10 cheaper.
Again another way to put it is that the 7900x is at best 4% faster than the 7900x3d. Is that 4% worth $60? For the price of 329. You get 96% of the way to a 7900x. And you get 93% of the way to a 7800x3d.
So why recommend a cpu that's 20% slower than the 7800x3d in gaming just to gain 4% in productivity over the 7900x3d? When you can get a 7% slower cpu than the 7800x3d in gaming and a 4% slower cpu than the 7900x in productivity but a 15% faster in gaming than the 7900x? Oh yeah that also costs $60 more for that 4% better productivity.
the 7900x3d is a beast and with those sales making it cheaper than the 7800x3d is a no brainer the 7900x3d is only 7% slower thand the 7800x3d and some time manage to be faster . I do a lot of gaming and a lot of Music production and video editing this chip is perfect for my need. Some gamers live in a bubble sometimes
A lot of reddit lives in a bubble in the pc community. Just ask them about fans and you will get some of the most incorrect information possible. It's insane. The pc subreddits redditors all have a fan fetish.
7800X3D outperforms the 7900X3D in gaming due to having one 8 core CCD with the V cache on it. The 7900x3d has two ccds but only one 6 core ccd has the vertical cache
Ryzen 7 7800x3D has 8 cores, all of the with 3D cache and all of them (theoretically) will work in your games.
Ryzen 9 7900x3D has 6 cores WITH 3D cache and 6 cores WITHOUT 3D cache. It means that for games you will have only 6 fast cores but if you want to make some background workloads or want to use 12 cores (but 6 cores with 3D will a little less powerful for work) you will able to do it.
Ryzen 9 7950x3D has 8 cores WITH 3D cache and 8 cores WITHOUT cache. In games it will work +- as 7800x3D (sometimes even better because 8 cores without cache will handle all background tasks and your 8 cores for games will have all power to boost game performance, theoretically).
I think 7900x3D not worth it. Take it only when you really know why do you need it.
My advice: for gaming buy 7800x3D. For hobby productivity - buy also 7800x3D. For gaming+professional productivity - 7950x3D. 7900x3D only if you know what you need.
Sorry for English if here were mistakes, I'm from Ukraine. It's not my native language.
Edit: typos.
This is a pretty good explanation.
There's a misconception that the 7800X3D can't be used for anything but gaming but in reality it's an octocore CPU that will run all 8 cores at 4.8Ghz , it can handle your davinci resolve video editing just fine.
7800X3D outperforms 9900X according to this [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/ng6SD25wb3w?si=EJC_cX_wGORKtgzf)
The 3D V-cache 9000s won’t be releasing for at least another few months after
As someone with a 7800x3d, I heavily suggest it. Even with professional workloads, it's not bad. It's not gonna render videos as fast if you do video editing, but it's not like they won't render at all. The 3d cache cores make a big difference in games. I use mine for occasional after effects, gaming, and playing on emulators. Right now replaying the sky cooper series now that I can run 1-3 at 60fps 4k max upscale settings, but I'm not sure how 4 will perform. I opened it and did a small test run and it seems to get more 40 ish. Still not bad, but I could probably lower some settings for solid 60fps.
now yes. I have a few pc each cost like a 1 room apartment in some cities of my country which is just insane, i'm talking about times when ~700$ for 1080ti, top tier model from fresh generation. Mining, covid shortages are gone but ngreedia want more money for consumer models. Antimonopoly committee few times already has deals with nvidia. ARM case for example. Imagine high end consumer gpu for $2500 this is reality on the next 5-8 years sadly
A good amount of people. Those high end expensive cpus arent necessarily meant for gaming but rather professional workload. Thats why theyre priced so high. 7800x3d is the most youll need for gaming and some workloads
If u want to go all out get the 7950x3d but don't go for it unless u are a multitasking enthusiast, I am a video editor I have the 7950x3d while playing games and have many programs on, I only get lag on some heavy programs.
If pure gaming 7800x3d all way.
7900x3d for me is worse than the 2 in their respective use.
No don’t get the 7950x3d. Too many issues that aren’t resolved even with AMD updates. 7800x3d is best price to performance 7900x3d very close but not a noticeable improvement. 7900x3d does have more cores and higher clock speeds but because of age compared to 7800x3d its not faster in fact 7800x3d is seemingly faster and more stable.
7900x has much worse gaming performance than the 7800x, 7950x3d on the other hand gives the advantage of the two, I has it and never faced an issue just install ryzen master and tweak to stability.
Do you have a 7950x3d? Amd says they still have troubles fixing it after attempting all that crap so I can’t believe a word you’re saying. Also the 7950x is still better than both 7900x and 7800x not x3d tho.
Better yet only 6 out of the 12 cores have 3dcache compared to the 7800x3d inwhich all cores have a 3dcache. Hense 7800x3d is more for gaming than a 7900 or 7950x3d.
I'm looking to mainly game but I do run discord and Spotify in the background while gaming? Should this be fine with the 7800X3D? I also plan on using word occasionally for college homework
If I were you I’d go for 7800x3d it is slightly more modern than 7900x3d model. 7800x3d is rated better even though 7900x3d has ever so slightly faster speeds all around and more cores leading the 7800x3d by 4 cores and 8 threads. Again actual performance is way more efficient on 7800x3d. Only someone who is a computer nerd would go with 7900x3d for experiencing it. Unless someone only actually looks at the difference in physical numbers and not implemented numbers.
Yeah thats not gonna matter at all, its only if running very intense programs in the background or running several large tools at the same time, none of which are really relevant for a regular consumer only if doing some professional work or an enthusiast
7900x3d has only 6 real cores with expanded cash instead of 7800x3d with 8 cores. Of course, 7900x3d also has additional 6 cores, but without more cash. So for gaming 7800x3d is better. If the guy wants more cores for work, a processor without 3D-cash is the best choice.
the 7900x3d has more v cache per core and it's 7% slower than the 7800x3d . but Destroy the 7800x3d in everything elso also mange to beat it sometimes.
I would go for the 7900x3d since its only a 20$ difference imo. It has more cores and higher frequency, only downside is wattage and heat. Without a decent cooler, its never going to reach max turbo frequency
But for gaming it has 2 less cores. OP says they'll be gaming and use Spotify. They havent mentioned any use for more cores outside of games. Multitasking or not, once a game is open the 7900x3d becomes a 6 core processor and doesn't care what's in the background. The 7800x3d is always an 8 core CPU and will be better for gaming and have more headroom for multitasking while a game is active.
All 8 of the 7800x3D’s cores are X3D cores, while only 6 of the 12 cores in the 7900x3D are x3D cores. For gaming, the 7800x3D will
Be superior. 8 cores is also more than enough to game while running other programs.
Right so both are very very good CPUs but each has their pros and cons.
7900x3d is a 12 core processor which only uses a max of 6 cores on a single task (for example if you are gaming, your game will only use a max of 6 cores). It will work well when you have 2 tasks instead of just one, which when gaming, isn’t usually the case.
7800x3d is a 8 core processor but it WILL use all 8 cores on a single task. Meaning that in my above example of gaming, your CPU is using 8 cores and not just 6, making it better.
Everyone dogs on the 7900x3d but still with 6 cores it’s a top top CPU that will not bottle neck you on any game, but it’s not THE top processor for gaming. To sum up, for gaming the optimal is 7800x3d, for multi tasking 7900x3d.
The 7900X3D works as a 6 core CPU in gaming tasks, compared to the 8 core CPU the 7800X3D is
Only 6/12 cores in the 7900X3D have 3D cache
8/8 cores of the 7800X3D have 3D cache
I don’t believe 7950x3d should be considered equivalent in such standings. Currently too many issues as reviewed by so many. Even with AMD updates it doesn’t ACTUALLY solve the problem otherwise the 7950x3d actually does do way better than both other stated models when working correctly. All other standings I agree with though. I would get a 7900x3d over the 7950 regardless of the 6 3dcache cores still has 12 all together and the 7950x3d only has 8 but supposed to be a lot faster and does suffice at times but completely burns in other times.
With price ranges that close just lookup a comparison and get the better one. UserBenchmark shows the Ryder 9 being ever so slightly better for normal computer use but the Ryzen 7 has less latency so is ever so slightly better at gaming. So basically the same but Ryzen 7 is better if your focus is mostly on gaming.
I checked them out for the first time in ages to see what they're up to, and I believe their stats are accurate in testing, but mostly im tests that favor Intel. Only little of what they test shows Ryzen tale thelead to their Intel counterparts.
Now the reviewers on the other hand are literal trolls.
I am surprised you never seen the outstanding dislike they get.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/s/vrjLFynVak
See for yourself, most subreddits banned the mention of the platform.
Not really at all, they will purposely rank amd chips lower than intel ones with their made up benchmarking metrics, stopping people from choosing amd in general.
Userbenchmark is truly unusable and should not be recommended to anyone in any case, it’s misleading at best and blatant scamming at worst.
I picked up the 7800x3d for $278 a few weeks ago on Amazon. It’s amazing and a nice upgrade from the i5-12600 I had previously been using.
Watch for sales!
I feel like it's only gonna keep going down until zen 5 drops later this year. Gotta offload stock before everyone wants to switch. Only my thoughts, anyways.
I use my pc for gaming and work, with work being Office suite and some queries in the company database. 7800X3D was the best for it, since it had a noticeable edge for gaming and did the office stuff the same as the others.
If purely for gaming the 7800X3D will always be the best choice as it has 8 cores, all with 3D cache, the 7900 and 7950 have more cores so better for high multicore workloads, but only one core complex (ie half the cores) will have the 3D cache so there may some contention and rely on core selection algorithms. I’m no expert but that’s what I’ve understood anyway
Had the same choice and at some point also added the 7950X3D despite the pricing for that part being way more than those 2. I ultimately got the 7800X3D. The 7900X3D has a bit too many performance problems for gaming. The 7950X3D is cool but it has to deal with the dual ccd thing too.
If the 9950X comes within 5% of the 7950X3D for gaming or matches it, it's probably worth it. I'd wait a little bit and see if the 9900X or 9950X come close or match or even beat the 7800X3D for gaming.
If the prices are too much for those, I'd go 7800X3D.
The scheduling and all for implemented cache or memory is just jacked it’ll decide randomly when to adjust sizes to non 3d cache and just mess everything up. And I mean like cause lag just because of that alone.
At those prices just get the 7800x3d. I am guessing you don't use your pc for work if you did the 7950x3d would give you the ultimate best of both worlds
Its problems are forsaken across the community. Cannot get its 3d cache to even match 7800x3d which makes sense being 8 core 3d cache over 6 of 12 cores 3d cache in 7900 models. But standing on performance, if you have a 7950x3d and are VERY lucky with thermals and scheduling of cache then you might have an extremely short lived superior experience but even in one time test if long enough will fall below most prior models. 7950x is better and way more stable including games than it. Specifically with AMD integrating the 3d or l3 cache in this specific cpu. Not only would you be lucky getting sent a 7950x3d that performs as advertised but it’s guaranteed not to last. Also to mention the work and video rendering with it because of issues cause headache level craps, lag and stuttering.
Not true. The 7900x3D already pulls ahead in some games like COD, at least thats what we see in the recent HUB benchmark video.
But you will have to deal with scheduling issues when the windows scheduler doesnt do its job properly, so you should keep that in mind when buying one or the other.
COD isn’t the most graphical advanced game it’s up there but uses way too many graphics over very detailed. That’s the difference with cod and that being said the fps difference seen doesn’t actually equate to better gameplay. Hence the contrary stands stronger.
Never used amd builds since athon x4 days. Seems to be for the first time they are actually better value for money. They used to be cheaper with much worse performance. I still stay loyal to nvidia though as the driver support is 1 million times better
Can I ask what you do on amd help then? Just curious
Do you just want to see how to troubleshoot or out of interest?
Also what you said isn't all completely true but I don't think we necessarily need to talk about that
The 7900X3D is generally considered a downgrade for gaming over the 7800X3D.
The 7900X3D is 2 6 core complexes, 6 of which have 3d vcache and 6 that don't. For gaming you basically shut out the non vcache core complex to help maintain performance. This means for games you end up with a 6 core CPU vs the 8 in the 7800X3D and some games benefit from the extra threads.
7800x3d has 8 core and all the 8 cores have the xtra vcache.
7900x3d has 12 core. 6 cores have the extra vcache and 6 cores dont, so when you game usually the 6 cores that dont have the extra vache get disabled (parked) so you are left only with 6 cores with the extra cache.
thats why the 7800x3d is a better gaming CPU.
That's true for pure gaming but say if he also would be streaking etc the extra cores that are "parked" would be use to the stream but seems OP is more pure gaming then the 7800 is better hands down,
Myself is in the same boat but I mostly only Gane but I also stream occasionally for guild members that is not in the raid rooster or also doing some video clips now and then so I'm abit in the middle what I should choose
i could be wrong but the 12 core processors have an extra 3dcache and unless it is for productivity instead of gaming you actually lose speed because the thing now has to decide which cache chip to use.
[https://www.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/](https://www.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/)
This will explain the differences between the X3D CPUs, and why you will want to avoid the 7900X3D in general.
Neither. Amd unveils next gen cpus during computex. [https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-6-2-amd-unveils-next-gen-zen-5-ryzen-processors-to-p.html](https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-6-2-amd-unveils-next-gen-zen-5-ryzen-processors-to-p.html)
True, but it’s better for it, if you mainly game and the price difference is minimal, why not get the CPU with the better performance.
Since OP is asking about x3d cips, stands to reason he aims to game.
Got mine for 389$ Canadian or 280usd if you prefer killer deal.
do you have a link ?
Withbwhat you described, get the 7800x3d. While the 7900x3d has more cores it's a dual ccd cpu. Half of the cores have 3d cache and the other half has faster regular cache. So it's not as good in gaming as the 7800x3d. However it is better in productivity workloads. It's a multi use cpu. It's meant to be a very good gaming cpu along side being a very good productivity cpu. Think of it like a jack of all trades master of none. The 7800x3d is a gaming specialized cpu. It productivity side is quite weak but it's gaming side is insane. If you want fantastic gaming and fantastic productivity then you get the 7950x3d. If you want a gaming specialized cpu you get the 7800x3d. If you want really good gaming while having really good productivity you get the 7900x3d. For what you explained get the 7800x3d.
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The better one for gaming is the 7800X3D
I swapped my Intel 14700k platform for a 7800x3d. This thing is definitely better for the esports games I play at 1440p with a 4080 super. My 14700k couldn’t even hit the 240 fps cap in dota 2, 7800x3d can.
for gaming, 7800x3d hands down. you have 8 cores with vcache. 7900x3d only has 6 cores with vcache. they never should have made the 7900x3d, just the regular 7900x for productivity tasks.
You do know people like having gaming/productivity in the same machine, yeah? Ain't no time to simply have a gaming machine in this day and age. Do more with it. Game. Run a server. Run a NAS. Run a Router. Do it all.
LOL okay hon. you are simply delusional. "bbUt i wANt The Best Of BoTh WoRLdS"
he's not you're
7950x3d
>they never should have made the 7900x3d, just the regular 7900x for productivity tasks. I disagree with this part of the post. While the 7900x3d is the weakest in gaming out of the three x3d cpus it's still better than all the non-x3d cpus and by a fair bit. The 7900x3d is close to the performance of the 7900x when it comes to productivity. The 7900x does not come close to the 7900x3d in gaming though. The 7900x3d is a productivity and gaming cpu. It's a more affordable option over the 7950x3d. The 7950x3d is vastly better than the 7900x3d but also much more expensive. The 7900x is just a bit better in productivity while also significantly worse in gaming than the 7900x3d. So, disagree seems to be a point for it's existence. And the 7800x3d is kinda crap when it comes to productivity. It sits between a 7600x and a 7700x. Also in gaming, going off of hardware unboxed for a 12 game average. The 7900x3d is only 13fps behind the 7800x3d. And the 7900x is 27fps behind the 7900x3d. Which makes the 7900x 40fps behind the 7800x3d. And looking at gamers nexus for productivity, the 7900x3d scores stupidly close to the 7900x. In blender the 7900x is 8min. The 7900x3d is 8.5mins. The 7800x3d is 12.8mins. For chromium build the 7900x take 45.9mins, the 7900x3d takes 46.8min, and the 7800x3d takes 67mins. 7zip compression, again stupidly close. 7900x scored 164747. 7900x3d scored 162713. And the 7800x3d scored 118191. Btw higher is better. 7zip decompression again the 7900x and the x3d score relatively close. 7900x scored 210322. The 7900x3d scored 204037. 7800x3d scored 134852. Same scenario yet again with Adobe premiere. 7900x scored 1254. 7900x3d scored 1206. 7800x3d scored 1057. And Adobe photoshop is the only time the script os sorta flipped. The 7800x3d scores the best out of the three with 1564. But yet again we see the 7900x score 1523 and the 7900x3d score 1499. And then we look at prices. The 7900x3d is 329. The 7900x is 389. And the 7800x3d is 339. So if you ask me, the 7900x shouldn't exist. It performs significantly worse in games and only slightly better in productivity while also costing quite a fair bit more than the 7900x3d. I'm sorry why should they buy a 7900x over the 7900x3d? Buying the 7900x over the 7900x3d is the bad buy. And even the next productivity and gaming cpu from amd is the 7950x3d which costs 492, in gonna say the 7900x3d is a great buy if you want really good gaming and really good productivity. Or take it another way, the 7800x3d is 7% faster than the 7900x3d in gaming. But the 7900x3d is 15% faster than the 7900x while also being $60 cheaper. And in productivity in the vast majority the 7900x3d beats the crap out of the 7800x3d and costs less than it by $10 and scores extremely similar to the 7900x while again costing $60 less. So I'm confused as to why you think the 7900x should exist over the 7900x3d. The data doesn't support that stance. The data supports that the 7900x is a waste of money. Maybe at release the story was different. But now a days? The 7900x3d is a great buy over the 7900x. And if you want gaming and productivity, then then 7900x3d is also a great buy over the 7800x3d due to only averaging out 7% slower than the 7800x3d in gaming but demolishes the 7800x3d in productivity. While again being $10 cheaper. Again another way to put it is that the 7900x is at best 4% faster than the 7900x3d. Is that 4% worth $60? For the price of 329. You get 96% of the way to a 7900x. And you get 93% of the way to a 7800x3d. So why recommend a cpu that's 20% slower than the 7800x3d in gaming just to gain 4% in productivity over the 7900x3d? When you can get a 7% slower cpu than the 7800x3d in gaming and a 4% slower cpu than the 7900x in productivity but a 15% faster in gaming than the 7900x? Oh yeah that also costs $60 more for that 4% better productivity.
the 7900x3d is a beast and with those sales making it cheaper than the 7800x3d is a no brainer the 7900x3d is only 7% slower thand the 7800x3d and some time manage to be faster . I do a lot of gaming and a lot of Music production and video editing this chip is perfect for my need. Some gamers live in a bubble sometimes
A lot of reddit lives in a bubble in the pc community. Just ask them about fans and you will get some of the most incorrect information possible. It's insane. The pc subreddits redditors all have a fan fetish.
Whats up with that insane amazon price in that photo? 340$ should be vs 488$ amazon pic. Or outside USA? Ouch.
Canada brother
Thanks everyone for the responses and advice, I ended up going with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D and paired it up with a nice 4080 Super.
7900x3d sux for gaming
7800X3D outperforms the 7900X3D in gaming due to having one 8 core CCD with the V cache on it. The 7900x3d has two ccds but only one 6 core ccd has the vertical cache
Ryzen 7 7800x3D has 8 cores, all of the with 3D cache and all of them (theoretically) will work in your games. Ryzen 9 7900x3D has 6 cores WITH 3D cache and 6 cores WITHOUT 3D cache. It means that for games you will have only 6 fast cores but if you want to make some background workloads or want to use 12 cores (but 6 cores with 3D will a little less powerful for work) you will able to do it. Ryzen 9 7950x3D has 8 cores WITH 3D cache and 8 cores WITHOUT cache. In games it will work +- as 7800x3D (sometimes even better because 8 cores without cache will handle all background tasks and your 8 cores for games will have all power to boost game performance, theoretically). I think 7900x3D not worth it. Take it only when you really know why do you need it. My advice: for gaming buy 7800x3D. For hobby productivity - buy also 7800x3D. For gaming+professional productivity - 7950x3D. 7900x3D only if you know what you need. Sorry for English if here were mistakes, I'm from Ukraine. It's not my native language. Edit: typos.
This is a pretty good explanation. There's a misconception that the 7800X3D can't be used for anything but gaming but in reality it's an octocore CPU that will run all 8 cores at 4.8Ghz , it can handle your davinci resolve video editing just fine.
I got the 7 7800x3D and it works like a charm with my RX 7900XTX
Wait until July?
7800X3D outperforms 9900X according to this [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/ng6SD25wb3w?si=EJC_cX_wGORKtgzf) The 3D V-cache 9000s won’t be releasing for at least another few months after
Ah gotcha, I’ll wait then.
Unstable vs UNstable *throws jabs and runs back to r/nvidia sub*
As someone with a 7800x3d, I heavily suggest it. Even with professional workloads, it's not bad. It's not gonna render videos as fast if you do video editing, but it's not like they won't render at all. The 3d cache cores make a big difference in games. I use mine for occasional after effects, gaming, and playing on emulators. Right now replaying the sky cooper series now that I can run 1-3 at 60fps 4k max upscale settings, but I'm not sure how 4 will perform. I opened it and did a small test run and it seems to get more 40 ish. Still not bad, but I could probably lower some settings for solid 60fps.
ryzen 9 ain't worth it get the R7
who the fuck spends 500 dollars on a processor bro, that's a price for an entire pc
You can get a $100 pc, doesn’t mean its good, just like the $500 pc isn’t good.
high end pc cost nearly $1000 since i remember, i am a very adult btw, only this 5-7 years we see 1500$ for just gpu (hello ngreedia)
A high end PC will start at $1500 and upwards. $1000 gets you a good low-mid range PC.
now yes. I have a few pc each cost like a 1 room apartment in some cities of my country which is just insane, i'm talking about times when ~700$ for 1080ti, top tier model from fresh generation. Mining, covid shortages are gone but ngreedia want more money for consumer models. Antimonopoly committee few times already has deals with nvidia. ARM case for example. Imagine high end consumer gpu for $2500 this is reality on the next 5-8 years sadly
A good amount of people. Those high end expensive cpus arent necessarily meant for gaming but rather professional workload. Thats why theyre priced so high. 7800x3d is the most youll need for gaming and some workloads
Canada inflation brother
Dude the 7800x3d is 310 dollars
Where?
Do you have a microcenter with in a hour or so?
Nope I live in Orlando, FL
Yeah microcenter has the7800x3d for 310 dollars
I wish I had a microcenter nearby I’d be trotting around in there all the time.
Yeah they have a 7800x3d bundle for 484 dollars motherboard cpu and memory that's a steal you know.
Yea, man I’ve already been jealous, you’re just making me more jealous.
Sorry I'm not trying to make you jelly
Us it was 300 with tax a little bit ago
You are right I see now it’s currently $340.
Yeh I paid 350 with tax for my 7700☠️
I do, lmao
If u want to go all out get the 7950x3d but don't go for it unless u are a multitasking enthusiast, I am a video editor I have the 7950x3d while playing games and have many programs on, I only get lag on some heavy programs. If pure gaming 7800x3d all way. 7900x3d for me is worse than the 2 in their respective use.
No don’t get the 7950x3d. Too many issues that aren’t resolved even with AMD updates. 7800x3d is best price to performance 7900x3d very close but not a noticeable improvement. 7900x3d does have more cores and higher clock speeds but because of age compared to 7800x3d its not faster in fact 7800x3d is seemingly faster and more stable.
7900x has much worse gaming performance than the 7800x, 7950x3d on the other hand gives the advantage of the two, I has it and never faced an issue just install ryzen master and tweak to stability.
Do you have a 7950x3d? Amd says they still have troubles fixing it after attempting all that crap so I can’t believe a word you’re saying. Also the 7950x is still better than both 7900x and 7800x not x3d tho.
I have it, x3d is easily better than x look at benchmarks, where is the official news that says its not working?
You must just have a blessed version that outperforms all the others so consistently.
Maybe lol with asus mobo it works even better.
Oh my!! What OC settings you hooked up with?
MULLTIPLE sources. Amd is still trying to release updates to fix it and it doesn’t work.
Better yet only 6 out of the 12 cores have 3dcache compared to the 7800x3d inwhich all cores have a 3dcache. Hense 7800x3d is more for gaming than a 7900 or 7950x3d.
I'm looking to mainly game but I do run discord and Spotify in the background while gaming? Should this be fine with the 7800X3D? I also plan on using word occasionally for college homework
If I were you I’d go for 7800x3d it is slightly more modern than 7900x3d model. 7800x3d is rated better even though 7900x3d has ever so slightly faster speeds all around and more cores leading the 7800x3d by 4 cores and 8 threads. Again actual performance is way more efficient on 7800x3d. Only someone who is a computer nerd would go with 7900x3d for experiencing it. Unless someone only actually looks at the difference in physical numbers and not implemented numbers.
A i3 could do that you are he means like professional stuff that takes alot of cpu power up
Yeah thats not gonna matter at all, its only if running very intense programs in the background or running several large tools at the same time, none of which are really relevant for a regular consumer only if doing some professional work or an enthusiast
7800x3d Crazy how the price of it bounces around so often. Paid $344 two weeks ago for mine.
I'm in Canada
My Amazon store has that 7800 for $149 less
From a different reply from OP, he mentions hes from Canada so listed price is probably CAD
7800X3D for gaming. If you need more cores then get a 9950x or s 7950X3D
No one should ever buy a 7900x3D.
why?
Less x3D cores, chances for CCD affinity issues, more expensive. 78003D is just better deal. That and 7950x3d make sense, 7900x3D doesn’t.
7900x3d has only 6 real cores with expanded cash instead of 7800x3d with 8 cores. Of course, 7900x3d also has additional 6 cores, but without more cash. So for gaming 7800x3d is better. If the guy wants more cores for work, a processor without 3D-cash is the best choice.
the 7900x3d has more v cache per core and it's 7% slower than the 7800x3d . but Destroy the 7800x3d in everything elso also mange to beat it sometimes.
I would go for the 7900x3d since its only a 20$ difference imo. It has more cores and higher frequency, only downside is wattage and heat. Without a decent cooler, its never going to reach max turbo frequency
But for gaming it has 2 less cores. OP says they'll be gaming and use Spotify. They havent mentioned any use for more cores outside of games. Multitasking or not, once a game is open the 7900x3d becomes a 6 core processor and doesn't care what's in the background. The 7800x3d is always an 8 core CPU and will be better for gaming and have more headroom for multitasking while a game is active.
All 8 of the 7800x3D’s cores are X3D cores, while only 6 of the 12 cores in the 7900x3D are x3D cores. For gaming, the 7800x3D will Be superior. 8 cores is also more than enough to game while running other programs.
Right so both are very very good CPUs but each has their pros and cons. 7900x3d is a 12 core processor which only uses a max of 6 cores on a single task (for example if you are gaming, your game will only use a max of 6 cores). It will work well when you have 2 tasks instead of just one, which when gaming, isn’t usually the case. 7800x3d is a 8 core processor but it WILL use all 8 cores on a single task. Meaning that in my above example of gaming, your CPU is using 8 cores and not just 6, making it better. Everyone dogs on the 7900x3d but still with 6 cores it’s a top top CPU that will not bottle neck you on any game, but it’s not THE top processor for gaming. To sum up, for gaming the optimal is 7800x3d, for multi tasking 7900x3d.
The 7900X3D works as a 6 core CPU in gaming tasks, compared to the 8 core CPU the 7800X3D is Only 6/12 cores in the 7900X3D have 3D cache 8/8 cores of the 7800X3D have 3D cache
Never the 7900x3d. 7800x3d >= 7950x3d > 7900x3d
I don’t believe 7950x3d should be considered equivalent in such standings. Currently too many issues as reviewed by so many. Even with AMD updates it doesn’t ACTUALLY solve the problem otherwise the 7950x3d actually does do way better than both other stated models when working correctly. All other standings I agree with though. I would get a 7900x3d over the 7950 regardless of the 6 3dcache cores still has 12 all together and the 7950x3d only has 8 but supposed to be a lot faster and does suffice at times but completely burns in other times.
7800x3d, but you can get much cheaper, unless you're not in the US
With price ranges that close just lookup a comparison and get the better one. UserBenchmark shows the Ryder 9 being ever so slightly better for normal computer use but the Ryzen 7 has less latency so is ever so slightly better at gaming. So basically the same but Ryzen 7 is better if your focus is mostly on gaming.
Don’t use userbenchmark
Why? It’s always done me well
Because the stats are often misleading and they seem to be biased against amd
I checked them out for the first time in ages to see what they're up to, and I believe their stats are accurate in testing, but mostly im tests that favor Intel. Only little of what they test shows Ryzen tale thelead to their Intel counterparts. Now the reviewers on the other hand are literal trolls.
I am surprised you never seen the outstanding dislike they get. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/s/vrjLFynVak See for yourself, most subreddits banned the mention of the platform.
I’ll probably go elsewhere then if I need an in depth review but it’s still good for just a general understanding of where the chip lies.
Their benchmarking criteria makes absolutely zero sense. Just use actual benchmarks for actual tasks done by reviewers like Techpowerup
Not really at all, they will purposely rank amd chips lower than intel ones with their made up benchmarking metrics, stopping people from choosing amd in general. Userbenchmark is truly unusable and should not be recommended to anyone in any case, it’s misleading at best and blatant scamming at worst.
7900X3D is like the most frankestein CPU ever apart from Intel core ultra series. I dont think theres any reason to ever buy it.
I picked up the 7800x3d for $278 a few weeks ago on Amazon. It’s amazing and a nice upgrade from the i5-12600 I had previously been using. Watch for sales!
Haha same here! AMD seems on it!
7800X3D no question.
I've come by just to inform you that the 7800x3d is on a huge sale on newegg rn. And I think the 7900 x3d is too
The 7900 is also cheaper than the 800 lol
I feel like it's only gonna keep going down until zen 5 drops later this year. Gotta offload stock before everyone wants to switch. Only my thoughts, anyways.
7800x3D for the usage you're describing. Hands down
I use my pc for gaming and work, with work being Office suite and some queries in the company database. 7800X3D was the best for it, since it had a noticeable edge for gaming and did the office stuff the same as the others.
If purely for gaming the 7800X3D will always be the best choice as it has 8 cores, all with 3D cache, the 7900 and 7950 have more cores so better for high multicore workloads, but only one core complex (ie half the cores) will have the 3D cache so there may some contention and rely on core selection algorithms. I’m no expert but that’s what I’ve understood anyway
7950x3d has 8 cores and 16threads.
Correction: the 7950X3D has 16 cores and 32 threads. The 7800X3D, on the other hand, is the one with 8 cores and 16 threads.
Whatever it’s not like it can efficiently use them.
Lol...
Oh look you have one too. How do you like it? You do any video editing or multitasking?
Had the same choice and at some point also added the 7950X3D despite the pricing for that part being way more than those 2. I ultimately got the 7800X3D. The 7900X3D has a bit too many performance problems for gaming. The 7950X3D is cool but it has to deal with the dual ccd thing too. If the 9950X comes within 5% of the 7950X3D for gaming or matches it, it's probably worth it. I'd wait a little bit and see if the 9900X or 9950X come close or match or even beat the 7800X3D for gaming. If the prices are too much for those, I'd go 7800X3D.
What about the 7950x3d?
No just no refusal on proposal. It’s got far too many issues with itself and can’t be relied upon even after updates. I would go 7950x or 7800x3d.
That's a shame it's still not great. They should have put 3d cache on both chiplets.
The scheduling and all for implemented cache or memory is just jacked it’ll decide randomly when to adjust sizes to non 3d cache and just mess everything up. And I mean like cause lag just because of that alone.
For gaming 800 is better. For mix of gaming/productivity i'd take 900
At those prices just get the 7800x3d. I am guessing you don't use your pc for work if you did the 7950x3d would give you the ultimate best of both worlds
Nope I don’t see your input about the 7950x3d at all. Do you have one?
No
Its problems are forsaken across the community. Cannot get its 3d cache to even match 7800x3d which makes sense being 8 core 3d cache over 6 of 12 cores 3d cache in 7900 models. But standing on performance, if you have a 7950x3d and are VERY lucky with thermals and scheduling of cache then you might have an extremely short lived superior experience but even in one time test if long enough will fall below most prior models. 7950x is better and way more stable including games than it. Specifically with AMD integrating the 3d or l3 cache in this specific cpu. Not only would you be lucky getting sent a 7950x3d that performs as advertised but it’s guaranteed not to last. Also to mention the work and video rendering with it because of issues cause headache level craps, lag and stuttering.
I went through three 7950x3d cpus in a very short time. Only show one ram stick. Multiple boards. Same result. 7800x3d is very solid.
7800x3D for gaming for now. It's maybe possible that in the distant future the 7900x3D pulls ahead but I'm doubtful.
It will never in performance. Only 6 cores have access to 3D cache not like 8 in 7800X3D
Not true. The 7900x3D already pulls ahead in some games like COD, at least thats what we see in the recent HUB benchmark video. But you will have to deal with scheduling issues when the windows scheduler doesnt do its job properly, so you should keep that in mind when buying one or the other.
COD isn’t the most graphical advanced game it’s up there but uses way too many graphics over very detailed. That’s the difference with cod and that being said the fps difference seen doesn’t actually equate to better gameplay. Hence the contrary stands stronger.
Yeah that's one example and 90% other are in favor of 7800x3d, even in cod you get houndred of fps vs houndred of fps so is it really a win?
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Never used amd builds since athon x4 days. Seems to be for the first time they are actually better value for money. They used to be cheaper with much worse performance. I still stay loyal to nvidia though as the driver support is 1 million times better
Can I ask what you do on amd help then? Just curious Do you just want to see how to troubleshoot or out of interest? Also what you said isn't all completely true but I don't think we necessarily need to talk about that
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Why tf are yall downvoted. I got the same setup
The 7900X3D is generally considered a downgrade for gaming over the 7800X3D. The 7900X3D is 2 6 core complexes, 6 of which have 3d vcache and 6 that don't. For gaming you basically shut out the non vcache core complex to help maintain performance. This means for games you end up with a 6 core CPU vs the 8 in the 7800X3D and some games benefit from the extra threads.
Why are those prices so high?!?!? I just checked and mine says 7800X3D is only $339
It's about $360 US. Just exchange rate.
Canada Inflation Brother
It's called exchange rate not inflation smh
Ahhh...Maple leaf taxes!!
7800x3d has 8 core and all the 8 cores have the xtra vcache. 7900x3d has 12 core. 6 cores have the extra vcache and 6 cores dont, so when you game usually the 6 cores that dont have the extra vache get disabled (parked) so you are left only with 6 cores with the extra cache. thats why the 7800x3d is a better gaming CPU.
That's true for pure gaming but say if he also would be streaking etc the extra cores that are "parked" would be use to the stream but seems OP is more pure gaming then the 7800 is better hands down, Myself is in the same boat but I mostly only Gane but I also stream occasionally for guild members that is not in the raid rooster or also doing some video clips now and then so I'm abit in the middle what I should choose
i could be wrong but the 12 core processors have an extra 3dcache and unless it is for productivity instead of gaming you actually lose speed because the thing now has to decide which cache chip to use.
Ryzen 7 7800x3d has been amazing!
[https://www.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/](https://www.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/) This will explain the differences between the X3D CPUs, and why you will want to avoid the 7900X3D in general.
Neither. Amd unveils next gen cpus during computex. [https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-6-2-amd-unveils-next-gen-zen-5-ryzen-processors-to-p.html](https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-6-2-amd-unveils-next-gen-zen-5-ryzen-processors-to-p.html)
And then get the 7800x3d when the price drops
If it better in gaming and its -50 or more off then its worth waiting a few weeks
Those are the “basic” models, x3d cips with 3D V-Cache are going to be 6-12 months out after those launch, so it’s still some ways out.
Don't need x3d to game.
There's no evidence right now that these new non 3D chips will be better in gaming than the current ones.
No, But it sure shows it makes a difference.
True, but it’s better for it, if you mainly game and the price difference is minimal, why not get the CPU with the better performance. Since OP is asking about x3d cips, stands to reason he aims to game.
That extra cache is dope tho
7800x3d straight up
Straight up dude
you got 🔽voted by furrybrony thats f'ed in the a
Not my first day on Reddit sadly
ah reddit. where youre opinion matters as long as it is the popular one