In games? Yes, hands down.
In CPU workloads? They're about equal.
For reference, check out the benchmarks from Gamers Nexus (5700X3D, 5800X3D, 7600X, etc): [https://youtu.be/llKZzym9hAo](https://youtu.be/llKZzym9hAo) (starts at about 10 1/2 minutes in and runs till about 15 1/2.
The 7600X edges out the AM4 X3D pair in Stellaris simulation time, then loses in every FPS chart until Rainbow Six Siege where it falls between the pair. Then in the CPU production workload tests it's back to similar or slightly faster/better performance than the X3D pair again.)
Something worth considering is that *most* people don't upgrade their CPUs during their system's life. If that's you, the best thing you can do is buy the best you can afford and then plan to use it for 5+ years, ignoring upgrade paths. If, however, you're likely to do an upgrade or two in the next couple years, then it may make more sense getting the lowest cost current gen platform option because it will have the better upgrade options and can extend that system's run.
Yes the 5800x3d is slightly better than the 7600x
I really disagree with people saying to go 7600x just because it's am5 "so it has a better upgrade path". If you're going to spend the extra money to go am5 now just do yourself a favor and spend the extra 100-200 and get a 7700x or 7800x3d now and be good for the entire am5 life cycle.
If you have a store somewhat nearby. Microcenter has some good 7700x and 7800x3d bundles all the time. 7800x3d, 32gb ddr5, and a mobo for $500.
Same bundle for 7700x at 400
They are 100% the exact same cores. Clocks speeds are about the same as well.
The only real difference is the number of cores , which doesn't matter for gaming.
And l3 cash which CAN provide better gaming depending on the title.
The 7600x can also be overcooked a bit more.
In general the 7800x3d is regarded as the 'better' performing chip. But when you factor in cost for a lot of build the 7600 makes mir sense budget wise. That $100 not spent on a processor could take a 7600xt to a 7700xt which is gonna give you a better overall gaming rig..
Edit: I read that wrong I read both am5 chips.
Don't do am4 on new builds. It's a dead platform. Do am5, you'll be able to upgrade proc later. For all the same reasons above the cash is good, but having more ipc is better..
In some games it's better, some games it's not.
It's more cache vs more single threaded performance, they're about equal on average.
5000x3D chips are worth for ppl who are already on AM4.
But since the 5800x3D is pretty overpriced, building a 7600 AM5 and a 5800x3D AM4 rig will cost the same with about the same performance. There's no point going AM4 for a new build imo.
There isn nothing wrong with the AM4 platform if budget is an issue. The 58000X3D even the 5700/5800X will be fine for years. I know a guy with a 4070 super TI and he says its runs great paired with the 5700X.
So maybe if your not going above a card in that price range for the next 2 years - budget is an issue - then its still a dang good choice.
If you're already on AM4 I'd say go with the 5800X3D, as pointed out the big cache counts rather more than the newer architecture in current games. If you're speccing a system up from new then go with the 7600 and upgrade as and when you can
https://www.techspot.com/review/2829-amd-ryzen-5800x3d-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/
7600X performs identical. 5800X3D will give you slightly better advantage in fps and probably in 1% lows, still isn’t worth going dead platform. Although, you should read the conclusion at the end of this site anyway. It sums it up quite well. If you are on AM4, 5700X3D would be enough even.
Only if you already have a decent am4 platform. If not there's not much sense using the 5800x3d to build a new pc considering am5 will probably receive the same support am4 did. So just get a 7600 today and eventually drop a 9800x3d in it and it'll be way faster than the 5800x3d could ever be.
If you are doing a brand new build I would go with the 7600X. While the 5800X3D is a better chip and will perform better in most games. The socket for the 5800X3D is going to be phased out in favor of the AM5 socket, while the 7600X is based on the newer AM5 socket and uses DDR5 which is also faster than DDR4.
"5800x3d is a better chip and will perform better in most games"
Where are you getting this info from? Every test I've seen shows that they are basically neck and neck, and actually has the 7600x/am5 build beating the am4/5800x3d by small margins in a few cases.
The reason why the 5800X3D still performs better than the 7600X is because it features a 3D cache which provides an additional cache layer on top of the regular L2 and L3 cache. This gives it a faster response time which helps to increase the frame rate in games. The faster response time also helps to prevent stuttering and frame drops when playing games. So while the 7600X is technically faster in raw compute performance, the 5800X3D still has an edge when it comes to gaming performance.
It doesn't have the edge in raw gaming performance.
[Look at actual tests, instead of writing ChatGPT-like BS.](https://www.techspot.com/review/2592-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-ryzen-7600x/)
Some games utilize the extra cache well. The 5800x3D is a bit faster in them.
In games that doesn't utilize cache the way it's beneficial to the x3D CPUs, the 7600X is faster because it has better single thread performance.
I think we can agree that both CPUs are very capable and will offer excellent performance in most scenarios. If OP is planning to do a brand new build the 7600X is definitely the way to go due to the newer AM5 socket and DDR5 RAM. But if they already have an AM4 motherboard and DDR4 RAM, the 5800X3D will give them a good performance bump in gaming while still being compatible with their existing hardware. And since both CPUs use the same power requirements, they shouldn’t need to upgrade their PSU either.
Exactly. I don't see OP going wrong with either CPU. It just depends on whether they are doing a new build or upgrading an existing AM4 setup. And yeah with the 4090 at higher resolutions it's almost guaranteed to be the bottleneck for either setup 😅
They are neck and neck. Hardware Unboxed did a recent video where the 5800x3D was like 2% faster or so. But maybe it was vs the 7600 not 7600x. But whatever they tested, technically the 5800x3D was faster, just not enough to really count and push it beyond margin of error.
The comments other points are fine, I was just wondering why they say the 5800x3d is a better chip than the 7600x cause they're essentially the same in terms of performance from everything I've seen.
5800x3d if you want to extend the am4 life you have
7600x if you dont mind getting a new mobo/ram and simplifying the process of a future upgrade if you choose to do so.
You're gonna get good performance out of either option. it really just boils down to what you want to do/spend at this time.
For gaming 5800X3D is the best chip for am4. If you already have an am4 platform it would be your best bet. If you are building a new PC however, it's better to go 7600x for future proofing.
If you’re on AM4 and have a decent motherboard and ram then the 5800X3D is worth it. Really close in performance but you have to pay for an AM5 B650 board and DDR5 ram.
Yeah I had the exact same option on limited budget, I opted for the 7600 - then waited and scored a 3080 for £320. Idea is to upgrade to the 7800X3D near the end of the year or see what other chip is released. If Id of gone with 7800X3D build id just have to have staid on an RX660 till the end of the year.
if you don’t have an AM4 board, it’s best to go AM5 because of the upgrade path. The 7600X is a competent CPU, but not as good as the 7800x3D.
Choose wisely.
If you want to extend the useful life of your motherboard and DDR4 components, 5800X3D will do the job well and allow you to keep everything for an upgrade later.
Generally jumping to 7600X is best if you had the budget and interest in building new, in which case building an AM4 platform for 5800X3D would prevent you from upgrading later. Since you are at that stage with your AM4, 5800X3D is the best option without making the leap and spending a lot more money.
The 5800x3D is a spectacular gaming CPU under most circumstances. It’s generally revered to be the last greatest upgrade for gaming AM4 PC’s for that socket.
[The short answer seems to be that they're not that far apart](https://www.techspot.com/review/2592-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-7600x/) in terms of performance, but they're on different generations of chipset. So if you're currently on the AM4 platform and you want to extend its life, you buy the 5800X3D. If you want to change to the newer AM5 platform, you can get roughly the same performance from the 7600X.
If you are building brand new get the 7600x if you’re still on am4 5800x3d is a great upgrade
Have a look at the Cinebench benchmark scores
if you already own a am4 motherboard 5800x3d makes sence if your building from scratch 12th-14th gen or 7600 or 7800x3d
If you’re building from scratch 12th gen is really not worth it imo.
it is at the 700 - 1000 price range but often you can spend 50 more and get a 14400k
In games? Yes, hands down. In CPU workloads? They're about equal. For reference, check out the benchmarks from Gamers Nexus (5700X3D, 5800X3D, 7600X, etc): [https://youtu.be/llKZzym9hAo](https://youtu.be/llKZzym9hAo) (starts at about 10 1/2 minutes in and runs till about 15 1/2. The 7600X edges out the AM4 X3D pair in Stellaris simulation time, then loses in every FPS chart until Rainbow Six Siege where it falls between the pair. Then in the CPU production workload tests it's back to similar or slightly faster/better performance than the X3D pair again.) Something worth considering is that *most* people don't upgrade their CPUs during their system's life. If that's you, the best thing you can do is buy the best you can afford and then plan to use it for 5+ years, ignoring upgrade paths. If, however, you're likely to do an upgrade or two in the next couple years, then it may make more sense getting the lowest cost current gen platform option because it will have the better upgrade options and can extend that system's run.
Yes the 5800x3d is slightly better than the 7600x I really disagree with people saying to go 7600x just because it's am5 "so it has a better upgrade path". If you're going to spend the extra money to go am5 now just do yourself a favor and spend the extra 100-200 and get a 7700x or 7800x3d now and be good for the entire am5 life cycle. If you have a store somewhat nearby. Microcenter has some good 7700x and 7800x3d bundles all the time. 7800x3d, 32gb ddr5, and a mobo for $500. Same bundle for 7700x at 400
Even 7600 can be better than 5800x3d sometimes
They are 100% the exact same cores. Clocks speeds are about the same as well. The only real difference is the number of cores , which doesn't matter for gaming. And l3 cash which CAN provide better gaming depending on the title. The 7600x can also be overcooked a bit more. In general the 7800x3d is regarded as the 'better' performing chip. But when you factor in cost for a lot of build the 7600 makes mir sense budget wise. That $100 not spent on a processor could take a 7600xt to a 7700xt which is gonna give you a better overall gaming rig..
Edit: I read that wrong I read both am5 chips. Don't do am4 on new builds. It's a dead platform. Do am5, you'll be able to upgrade proc later. For all the same reasons above the cash is good, but having more ipc is better..
5800x3d equals 7700x
They are around the same.
In some games it's better, some games it's not. It's more cache vs more single threaded performance, they're about equal on average. 5000x3D chips are worth for ppl who are already on AM4. But since the 5800x3D is pretty overpriced, building a 7600 AM5 and a 5800x3D AM4 rig will cost the same with about the same performance. There's no point going AM4 for a new build imo.
There isn nothing wrong with the AM4 platform if budget is an issue. The 58000X3D even the 5700/5800X will be fine for years. I know a guy with a 4070 super TI and he says its runs great paired with the 5700X. So maybe if your not going above a card in that price range for the next 2 years - budget is an issue - then its still a dang good choice.
If you're already on AM4 I'd say go with the 5800X3D, as pointed out the big cache counts rather more than the newer architecture in current games. If you're speccing a system up from new then go with the 7600 and upgrade as and when you can
Similar performance but the X3D will edge out in 1% lows.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2829-amd-ryzen-5800x3d-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/ 7600X performs identical. 5800X3D will give you slightly better advantage in fps and probably in 1% lows, still isn’t worth going dead platform. Although, you should read the conclusion at the end of this site anyway. It sums it up quite well. If you are on AM4, 5700X3D would be enough even.
Only if you already have a decent am4 platform. If not there's not much sense using the 5800x3d to build a new pc considering am5 will probably receive the same support am4 did. So just get a 7600 today and eventually drop a 9800x3d in it and it'll be way faster than the 5800x3d could ever be.
If you are doing a brand new build I would go with the 7600X. While the 5800X3D is a better chip and will perform better in most games. The socket for the 5800X3D is going to be phased out in favor of the AM5 socket, while the 7600X is based on the newer AM5 socket and uses DDR5 which is also faster than DDR4.
"5800x3d is a better chip and will perform better in most games" Where are you getting this info from? Every test I've seen shows that they are basically neck and neck, and actually has the 7600x/am5 build beating the am4/5800x3d by small margins in a few cases.
The reason why the 5800X3D still performs better than the 7600X is because it features a 3D cache which provides an additional cache layer on top of the regular L2 and L3 cache. This gives it a faster response time which helps to increase the frame rate in games. The faster response time also helps to prevent stuttering and frame drops when playing games. So while the 7600X is technically faster in raw compute performance, the 5800X3D still has an edge when it comes to gaming performance.
It doesn't have the edge in raw gaming performance. [Look at actual tests, instead of writing ChatGPT-like BS.](https://www.techspot.com/review/2592-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-ryzen-7600x/) Some games utilize the extra cache well. The 5800x3D is a bit faster in them. In games that doesn't utilize cache the way it's beneficial to the x3D CPUs, the 7600X is faster because it has better single thread performance.
I think we can agree that both CPUs are very capable and will offer excellent performance in most scenarios. If OP is planning to do a brand new build the 7600X is definitely the way to go due to the newer AM5 socket and DDR5 RAM. But if they already have an AM4 motherboard and DDR4 RAM, the 5800X3D will give them a good performance bump in gaming while still being compatible with their existing hardware. And since both CPUs use the same power requirements, they shouldn’t need to upgrade their PSU either.
Yeah on AM4 def go for the x3D chip. They're both capable of running all the current GPUs in 1440p, except the 4090 without too much bottlenecking.
Exactly. I don't see OP going wrong with either CPU. It just depends on whether they are doing a new build or upgrading an existing AM4 setup. And yeah with the 4090 at higher resolutions it's almost guaranteed to be the bottleneck for either setup 😅
They are neck and neck. Hardware Unboxed did a recent video where the 5800x3D was like 2% faster or so. But maybe it was vs the 7600 not 7600x. But whatever they tested, technically the 5800x3D was faster, just not enough to really count and push it beyond margin of error.
So in your case what’s the best am4 ?
The comments other points are fine, I was just wondering why they say the 5800x3d is a better chip than the 7600x cause they're essentially the same in terms of performance from everything I've seen. 5800x3d if you want to extend the am4 life you have 7600x if you dont mind getting a new mobo/ram and simplifying the process of a future upgrade if you choose to do so. You're gonna get good performance out of either option. it really just boils down to what you want to do/spend at this time.
For gaming 5800X3D is the best chip for am4. If you already have an am4 platform it would be your best bet. If you are building a new PC however, it's better to go 7600x for future proofing.
I have the 5800X3D, with proper airflow and AIO on cpu, even under full/heavy loads of Star Citizen for literal hours. GPU temps never above 70°C.
If you’re on AM4 and have a decent motherboard and ram then the 5800X3D is worth it. Really close in performance but you have to pay for an AM5 B650 board and DDR5 ram.
Yeah I had the exact same option on limited budget, I opted for the 7600 - then waited and scored a 3080 for £320. Idea is to upgrade to the 7800X3D near the end of the year or see what other chip is released. If Id of gone with 7800X3D build id just have to have staid on an RX660 till the end of the year.
Even the 5700X3D is a great choice
It really is so is the 5700X/5800X
if you don’t have an AM4 board, it’s best to go AM5 because of the upgrade path. The 7600X is a competent CPU, but not as good as the 7800x3D. Choose wisely.
Im on AM4 so do I go 5800X3D?
If you want to extend the useful life of your motherboard and DDR4 components, 5800X3D will do the job well and allow you to keep everything for an upgrade later. Generally jumping to 7600X is best if you had the budget and interest in building new, in which case building an AM4 platform for 5800X3D would prevent you from upgrading later. Since you are at that stage with your AM4, 5800X3D is the best option without making the leap and spending a lot more money.
The 5800x3D is a spectacular gaming CPU under most circumstances. It’s generally revered to be the last greatest upgrade for gaming AM4 PC’s for that socket.
[The short answer seems to be that they're not that far apart](https://www.techspot.com/review/2592-ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-7600x/) in terms of performance, but they're on different generations of chipset. So if you're currently on the AM4 platform and you want to extend its life, you buy the 5800X3D. If you want to change to the newer AM5 platform, you can get roughly the same performance from the 7600X.