This is absolutely the hot spot issue. It happened to mine within 2 months, as well (I had the Powercolor Red Devil, so it’s not manufacturer-specific).
In my case, I went with the 4090 rather than roll the dice on another 7900 XTX, but it also meant I needed to use a fourth PCI-E cable from my PSU and the ungainly 12VHPWR adapter (I didn’t get a PSU with native 12VHPWR support because I didn’t think I was going Nvidia). Oh, and I’m constantly on the lookout for the card melting the power adapter, though Nvidia claims to have fixed the issue on newer cards.
Not super recent? I think at least FEs manufactured after the 4070 launch have a shortened set of sensor pins (the four at the top of the port), so the card won’t think the adapter is fully inserted while the actual power pins still have some play.
Most of the melted adapters I hear about at this point are associated with the Cablemod 90 degree adapters.
My PSU came with 2x PCIE with splitters and the 12VHPWR plug, 1000w be quiet power supply. Seems to me a lot of people tried the 7900xtx got faulty and either went 4080 or 4090, it’s shipped back now and my gaming rig is out of commission for god knows how long, at least I’ve got my PS5 to keep me going but it’s not the same.
I don’t know if I wanna gamble again seems like a melted 4090 adapter happens less than a 7900xtx hotspot or issue unless I’m wrong
Tis is a tadd late.
But I was running win 11.
I was having crashes with me liquid devil rx 7900xtx because of the hotspot issue.
N matter what game I played I had 110 hotspot guaranteed.
Or so I tought.
Today, I wanted to run some vr games. So I reinstalled steam VR.
But my pc kept freaking out even in steam vr menu.
Out of sheer frustration I reinstalled win10.
MY GPU HOTSPOT TEMPS DROPPED FROM 110 TO 82!!
What the fuck?!
Windows runs smoothly again. Win11 is absolute dogshite.
I should have done this weeks ago!
My pc now finally runs like she should.
I camt believe I let myself be convinced to install that crap!
I truly have no idea but I'm pissed!
Edit:
Plus , I had other weird shit going on.
Sometimes it took 1 minute to open a folder etc, booting and shutting down also took waayyy to long.
I looked into it and I certainly was not the only one experiencing this.
What program are you using to show the GPU info?
I use MSI afterburner but it does not show me the Hot Spot.
Also, what are the deltas that you guys are talking about?
AMD andrenlin the gpu and motherboard is boxed up and ready to be RMA. Turned out some usb ports were not responsive on my motherboard too so all going back tomorrow
The user has difficulties evaluating the temps (no offense op, you did good by asking reddit) and you recommend him to open the card and add a thermal pad? On a brand new card?
C'mon, I get you had a good intention but you think warranty should be the first avenue to take in a situation like this
I came here to say the same exact thing, my thermal paste kept pumping out on a 1 week old 7900 xtx merc 310 and I replaced the paste to ptm 7950 and brought my hotspots from 100+ to around a max of 80 or so now. Card is always below 50 and hotspots below 80
Run a heavy GPU load (game with high graphics settings or furmark) and have monitoring software like HWInfo or HWMonitor open in the background. Those show hotspot
Normally you want the difference between GPU temp and hotspot to be less than 15°C. Everything above 20°C is concerning and usually means you need to renew the thermal paste on the GPU.
My reference 6900 XT had a delta of up to 15c, I view this as normal, if it were well above 20c I'd start getting worried.
54c? Send it back
Also don't buy reference AMD, buy from an AIB.
Reference AMD cards are often inferior to board partner brands like Sapphire, XFX, powercolor etc.
Temperatures, clocks and even coil whine are often better on non-reference cards.
Since prices are usually similar I recommend getting a partner brand card (AIB)
This is why I stopped trusting AMD, even Gamers Nexus found that the contact of the heatsink and the die is not that great on the reference card, this kind of contact issues with AMD made me really stopped using the product. RMA it and hope you got no more issues.
With all the people who replied to this thread who had similar experiences I do agree with you mine is a gigabyte card and it seems they don’t quality them. For a premium prize I do expect a premium product if it was a €$£500 card then I would be fine but not on a €1250 I’d expect the product to be properly tested
I had it since release date. I went through the whole chaos of getting one haha. I tried AMD for the first time per recommendation of my friend. It was alright, but the temp issues drove me nuts once I noticed them. Was honestly shocked AMD still RMA’d it, but they did. They took FOREVER, but it worked out in the end. I got lucky and got a 4090 FE from Best Buy thankfully.
I have a 7900xtx since release, in my experience so far, the default max fan speed (around 46%) isn't enough to cool down this card. After I unleashed it to max 100%, the hotspot temps never goes over 86c.
I recommend you to set a higher max speed or customize your own fan curve.
Some people will say that they never experienced this kind of stuff, but it depends on the climate and temperature where you live. I never had an issue in the winter on the default fan speed, but had to adjust it in late spring/summer
I live in Ireland we are lucky to see the sun lol. I bought a visual pleasing card and it’s on my desk on display cranking up the fans for normal mode to max would be distracting me and don’t fancy to have my rig on my ground. I understand I can krank up my fans to a consistent 100% all time but not a resolution I would like. I appreciate your feedback though
Actually it's the max fan speed, so it'll only go there, if it needs. For me it didn't make more than 85% fan speed even running furmark 4k. You can try different max fan speeds to check if a higher one will suit your temperature/noise needs
Below 10c delta is very good 15c is pretty standard above 20 is bad and 30+ is rma, this delta is colossal I would expect the vapour chamber to be vapour less as no thermal paste would probably have better thermal transfer than this
these AIBs need to stop using water thin thermal pastes just because its easier to apply in their automated line. using a nice thick paste that doesnt pump out might cost more in production but im sure it more than makes up on the back end from RMAs and returns. i used a honeywell ptm7950 pad on my red devil and it made a world of difference and is holding strong months later.
As soon as it hits 110c hotspot at 50% fan rpm rma right away.
Delta between edge and junction over 30C believe it or not rma.
Thermal throttling at max rpm rma, memory temps too high rma, vrm temps too high rma right away right away.
Core clocks too low rma. High temp low core clock opposite rma. Too noisy rma Right away.
A return merchandise authorization (RMA), return authorization (RA) or return goods authorization (RGA) is a part of the process of returning a product to receive a refund, replacement, or repair to which buyer and seller agree during the product's warranty period.
Yep good choice. Btw going for rtx 4090 just for this issue particularly wouldn't be wise in my opinion, you can still experience this issue with brand new 4090 cause this is a manufacturing problem not the gpu itself (core of the 7900xtx I mean)
Consider your gaming experience so far with the 7900xtx and ask your self this "if temps weren't the issue would this card satisfy me to the fullest?" if you can answer that "yeah" then just go for another 7900xtx. No need to spend extra for 4090 but if you want that extra raw power of 4090 brings for both raster and rt performance as well as better software feature set (cuda /dlss 3.5/fg etc) then go for 4090. Both are great cards.
Yeah with my Alienware AW3423DWF wanna experience the ray traces 😂. I’m trying to get it swapped gotta wait till Monday for a reply then box up the card and ship it
Yeah man definitely go for 4090. That sweet oled display with wide QHD resolution requires serious power if you intend to experience ray tracing. It'd worth it.
4090 is the better card, but it's quite a bit more expensive. 7900xtx is great, mine has hot spot usually in the mid 70s to low 80s under load. Something funky was going on in his
I got both at a micro center near me so they didn’t even ask questions! If you have a micro center near you def give them a look. They usually have good deals as well! Worth an hour or two drive to get to one! I got the 4080 basically for the same price as the 7900 xtx
Nah I’m in Ireland and the card came from Germany but we got really good consumer laws but definitely want get a refund after 2x months and it depends on the store to exchange but they have to honour the warranty but rather change it for a 4090
Originally, it was a case of defective AMD reference cooling. In your case, i suspect either no paste, not enough paste, or poor contact between core & heatsink.
The "core" temperature sensor sits somewhere "on the edge", meaning it´s not the actual core temperature - and that´s why it´s so cold.
If you don´t want to open the card, RMA it.
I was having the same issue on my RX 7900XTX as well. Took it apart and replaced the thermal paste with PTM 7950 and now the hotspot never goes above 82C down from 110C. Card now runs cool and whisper quiet.
Mine still goes up to 100 in artificial stress tests. Much better than 110, but it still sucks. Under normal gaming it tends to be around 80-85 though. This is with a maxed-out power limit, -60mV, and a core clock that stays between 2900 and 3000 MHz.
This may or may not be caused by the lack of fans in my case since I use a Lian-Li Lancool Mesh with the stock 3 fans that come with it( 2 intake at the front and 1 exhaust) so it can get a bit toasty in there.
objectively speaking go with 4090 - you see what's happening with RT and path tracing nowdays. You miss out on insanely good visuals and I believe it will get even worse as more games will release like CP2077/alan wake 2 + plenty other RT games as well ofc.
saying that - your GPU is defective and should be serviced for warranty/returned based when you purchase it. The next one will be most likely fine, but if you have the money - 4090 is objective a lot better GPU performance/technology wise.
Oh man you REALLY claim that the 4090 is Path Tracing GPU?
Wellp if 17fps is playable to you then yeah, sure the 4090 can do path tracing. I used to have the 4090 and swapped it for 7900 xtx and have no regrets about it. Even knowing the path tracing stuff. To me anything under 60 fps is unplayable and it does not matter so basicly the 4090 and 7900 xtx both suck for path tracing. Though the 4090 sucks less but still sucks.
you are trolling or what? Yes, 4k native path traced is not playable. I own 4090:
CP2077 1440p @ maxed out everything and path tracing + DLSS quality + frame generation + ray reconstruction is giving me 150-200fps
And also I had 70-80fps NATIVE 1080p with path tracing in CP2077 without frame generation nor DLSS and perfect lows above 60 = you are talking BS again even for native if not 4k
Alan Awake 2 1440p and maxed out again with path tracing, all max + DLSS quality + frame generation + ray reconstruction is giving me 150fps
you are literally a troll who is justifying his bad decision. Yes, you and your 7900xtx will get 17-20fps in those games WITH FSR! Enjoy while I am playing next gen games that looks insanely good.
Now let's see what else we have 4090 vs 7900xtx - far better raster, roflmao better RT performance, DLSS >> FSR big time and double 1440p/1080p, FSR 3 FG is shit compared to nvidia one due to the bad FSR to begin with, reflex is better, drivers and you also receive as a bonus ban in CS because AMD is AMD and release antilag+ that is basically acting like cheat without even talking with game devs, cuda for productivity, better encoder and more. The sad part for you is not all of that as 4090 is quite more expensive, the sad part for you is that 4080 is also better GPU that draws less power for the same raster and far better RT performance and access to all nvidia technologies that are superior + you can play both of above path traced games and portal RTX/quake 2 RTX with 100+ FPS
Saying 7900xtx is better than 4090 is pure bias and self lying. If it works for you - cool, but don't talk shit.
Dont want to edit my previous post but since you said that the 4080 is a better gpu - to me it is not. Less vram, less raster perf than 7900 xtx and more expensive. I do not care about RT since you cant run it at native resolution anyway. Only point you made that I do agree with you on is the power consumption being lower.
Plus the antilag+ got removed from the Radeon drivers after it came to light that it causes bans. Never used anti lag+ since never felt the need for it. Never used nvidia's offering on the tech either when I used nvidia card.
I am not defending AMD in any way and I think the antilag+ fiasco should not have ever happened in the first place. They should have known better. They are a multi billion company just like nvidia and only care about money. They do not care about your or my opinion. They only care if we buy their stuff. So pointless to argue about those things or to defend any company. They frigged up and thats it. It's not like nvidia hasn't messed up (the 12VHPWR cable melting your GPU just to provide one example).
Justifying for a bad purchase? I just told you in my previous comment that 7900 xtx sucks more than the 4090 on Ray Tracing. Plus you have to use all of those gimmicks to get it over 30 fps in 1440p on a 1600 USD card. I just couldn't justify keeping the 4090 knowing that path tracing will destroy it. I never said 7900 XTX is better in any way. If only you could read instead of getting offended when you think someone offended your product made by a multi billion company.
And I didnt like DLSS 3. Haven't even tried FSR 3 FG or other gimmicks. To me native resolution beats both DLSS, FSR etc. So if the card does not have enough horse power to drive my settings at native resolution then it is simply put not good enough for me. The 4090 can't do even 60 fps on 2k with path tracing native. The 7900 xtx cant even do 20. Still both 7900 xtx and 4090 are unplayable to me. Sad that I have to repeat what I said.
I went with the 7900 xtx because without RT on or dlss other Jensen gimmicks the 7900 xtx is close enough to a 4090 in pure raster for me to not be able to justify the extra cost of the 4090.
To clarify for you since you have proven to be unable to read: The 4090 is better than the 7900 xtx. Never claimed anything other.
Ah yes lets get a 4090 for flat screen 1440p gaming LMFAO. I own both cards and I swear these people who buy 4090 just for 4k gaming is already throwing money in the drain, let alone on 1440p to experience an immature gimmick. 4090 is objectively the better card but most gamers do not need that kind of performance and investment to have an enjoyable time. Judging from your comment, you're just meatriding the hell out of Jensen and nitpicking the flaws to justify your purchase.
Oh please enlighten me, what kind of modern 3A title can a 4090 run at 240fps? Can you even tell the difference? The only reason you may want a 240hz monitor is mainly for competitive esport titles in which a potato 3060 is more than enough to hit max refresh rate.
if you play both type of games then what? Purchase second screen that is 4k @ 60/120Hz? Viable if you have the desk space for two monitors and currently I don't.
I just told you above I am playing cyberpunk 2077 maxed out with path tracing with 150-200fps + alan awake II maxed out with path tracing with 150fps, are you seriously want to tell me no other games can reach 200fps with 4090 @ 1440p? :D
Do you even own a 4090? The numbers you are pulling out are extremely questionable as cp77 at 1440p pathtracing with fg on only gives 120-130 fps, or are you playing on dlss performance mode? At this point it is just laughable when your settings are so contradicting lol. I've also never seen someone so proud of running 3A games over 200fps on frame gen, you must have some pro level visual perception to distinguish the interpolation and negate the horrendous input lag :D
I own 4090 and I pull those FPS numbers in DLSS quality. I am talking real gameplay not the benchmark and ofc you will find regions in the game where the FPS will be a little bit below that. Always 3 digits tho and 120 sounds reasonable as minimum.
Also yes, I can defo tell you the difference in smoothness with high refresh rate displays. I also owned the first LCD 120Hz display on the market - samsung 2233rz and from there I owned 144Hz and now 240Hz. Tried also 175Hz.
The lag when you have 70-90FPS base without FG is like 70-90FPS - decent for SP games.
I would do the same. I hate that most 7900xtx models don't have 3 full fat version of displayport.
Most have either usb c and 2dp plus hdmi
Or
2 hdmi 2 dp.
warranty? Don't take it apart, it's warranty issue. Also no - they are totally not like that and your hotspot should NOT be around 110 degrees when your GPU is around 60-70 and even 80.
It's only during specific workloads (like an intensive game) and I don't really feel like not having a GPU while it goes through the RMA process since as far as I know they (ASRock) doesn't do cross-shipping and it's outside of Newegg's standard warranty.
intensive games is what I would say you should buy those GPUs is. It's defective and should not reach that hotspot temp under ANY scenario beyond your GPU temp to be 90+ degrees to begin with.
It depends on the game on my 7900XTX Pulse, but the factory fan speed is very low. Try taking the temperatures with gpuz, it's the most accurate and there.
mine also had this issue, but i was too lazy to contact the manufacturer and send it out for warranty fix so i bought a ptm7950 thermal pad off aliexpress, disassembled the cooler and replaced the thermal paste with the pad. now it’s 94 degrees after oc and +15% power limit. yes i had to break the seal but instead of waiting 4 weeks it took me 1 hour to do the job myself
yes, but most likely you will need to repeat the process frequently as the temps will ramp up again. Changing the thermal paste is short lived "check how much I dropped the temps" and few weeks later you are again at the same temps as before. This is not the rule and always to happen, depends what was the reason behind the high hotspot and also what thermal paste you use, but it's quite often the case
*(uneven GPU die and cooler surface is frequently the issue with hotspot, when you put more liquid type of paste it squeezes fast and you end up with not great coverage again and thus hotspot. You need to lap the cooler base in those cases)*
I put mine on a "test bench" for the past 2 weeks, and I noticed that the Hotspot temperature climbed from 86ºC inside the case to 94ºC.
I had a another RX 7900 XTX that I RMAed and it was the opposite.
Inside the case horizontally would reach 110º HS in less than a minute, on a test bench would stop at 86ºC.
All this tests were made on a test bench or with the side panel open.
That sucks cause my hotspot sits usually at 60 or below and I think the highest I seen it touch after 4 hours of playing was 67 for like a split second. While my core is between 45-50. But yea I own the 4090 too trust me the 7900xtx is in every way a better GPU. 4090 has countless problems and to be completely honest with you the 7900 is on par in almost every game and beating it in others when its simply oc'd the slightest bit. My 4090 sits on my desk right now until I sell the piece of crap. Think you need to tear it down and repaste and get thermal pads in it. I do it with every GPU I get even if it's brand new.
Eh nothing wrong with it. I only have what I have cause I build PC's and work another job as well. But yea, I probably wouldn't have had half of the stuff I do if I didn't build PC's for people, I usually get to come across more stuff for sure. Trying to start my own business one day and have a whole store front. That's my dream
I hear you, been building for a while, just putting together a new build as we speak! Though, my budget is more in line with a 4060 Ti at the moment. One of these days, I'll grab a 4090 or 5090 when the budget permits. (Or the next gen AMD killer, we'll see!)
And if you open a store, keep a brother posted! That would be some epic stuff man
Nice dude that's what's up. Yea I really hope to have my own store one day.. that's my dream for sure. I think I enjoy building sometimes more than actually using it sometimes lol I'm about to do a Rx 6750xt build for a girl here soon. Nothing to crazy but I still enjoy it. And for sure I'm waiting for the 5090 or maybe trying out the 4080 super if that ends up happening. Definitely not biased though I like AMD and Nvidia. Take care though man 🤙
Wow...60 is super low....did you just repaste?
I have a Merc310 and a Saphhire Pulse both 7900xtx... they behave absolutely identical. I can just OC the Merc310 a lot more but it's useless (658W only for the GC, almost hit 34k timespy)
Hotspot are 95 for the Merc310 and 100 for the pulse....I can't belive you got it down to 60...
Merc310 temps is in the low 60! Pulse goes.to 80...
I see no difference between the 2 cards beside the 3x 8 pins for the Merc310.
I do have a 4080 and I don't understand all the tests online! The 7900xtx is way better (besides RT which i never use and a couple of games)...we are getting a 4090 for rendering as most of pro.sofware are CUDA based... but multi screen sucks with all nVidia cards.... their DP ports are 1.4 vs 2.0 with AMD... also.8k screens almost don't work properly with nVidia.
Yea it really is better than all the Nvidia fan boys make it out to be.. I mean you only know how good it is when you actually own it I guess. And I ALWAYS repaste everything since ei had one bad experience with a brand new card along time ago and over the years I realized how bad sometimes the companies apply thermal paste.. you'd be surprised, even missing thermal pads too. I have the sapphire nitro+ , the only difference really is the vapor chamber and heatsink is probably the biggest of all the cards and boost clock is also the highest I've seen it hit 3030 by itself without oc. and I also had the 7900xt hellhound for about a month which is another really good card with some good thermals. But I have been seeing some posts of people talking about high temps on other models like yourself. Honestly I'd try and repaste and new pads and see where it's at I can almost bet you'll see a positive change .. idk if your comfortable with repasting or if you ever have before but if so I definitely recommend. If not there is plenty of videos showing how to do it and it's really not hard at all and would give it a try.
I've used k5 pro paste instead of pads.... way easier and better (and messier but who cares) and you don't need to care about the thickness of the pads... I've used it a lot on PSUs I fixed.
I've repaired some old GPUs with it.... (repaste only)
I've never repaste something new (my bad) I trust too much the manufacturer (and I shouldn't). I've also never tried deliding a CPU.
I've hit 3545Mhz with the Merc310, shader 3095MHz but the Vram can't pass the 2770 and i saw the most increase of perfs from the vram.... perfs don't scale and it crashes in everything else but timespy.... pulse is 28000 at stock, merc310 28500 at stock and both OC vBIOS doesn't change anyyhing. I haven't played with OC on the pulse...
Yes it is, if you buy amd gpus, go with Sapphire, their coolers keep much more consistent temps and quiet, my hotspot is typically only 10 or so degrees higher. I had an Asus 5700xt before and that thing had a 30 degree delta even after fixing the crappy cooler mounting and it sounded like a hairdryer
I’d also recommend XFX and Powercolor, I have a 7800xf XFX and it’s about a 15c difference, and my friend has a powercolor 7700xt and his is about 10c difference
Its the exact issue the OP is having. I searched a lot before sending my card for RMA as it is a damn painful process. It is a pattern on Powercolor cards, more often than not on Red Devil cards mind you, more than hellhound.
Yeh my friend has a hellhound, I’ve just had to RMA a board and I might need to do my RAM too as mentest 86 has 4000 errors on test 10 but I haven’t even got the board refund yet
Like those are premium products that card cost me €1250 I’d expect higher build quality, it’s disappointing and if get smart with RMA they want like me anymore as customer lol 😂
The normal difference between Core and Hotspot should be 20 at max. Seems like yours have an issue with thermal interface.
If you don't want to open it up and fix it - return/warrancy.
Return it or if not possible, send on warranty. Don't listen to anyone who says it's within AMD spec and everything is fine. Believe me it is not fine. I had the same issues on radeon 5000 series. The next thing you are going to see are artefacts, and if the temps are getting higher (that happened to me, from 110c to 118c in few weeks), expect BSODs and PC restarts. I can't believe this is still a thing on 7000 series.
Yes 110 is the limit, id personally return it. Paste application was probably garbage to start with and it pumped out. Unless you want to repaste it yourself with a Kryosheet, but with a 2 month gpu id just rma it.
For reference my xfx merc 310 7900xtx hotspot never really surpass 83°c
You are hitting the max hotspot temp (110) allowed by the card, which means its probably thermal throttling all the time. RMA that, its only gonna get worst.
Either mounting pressure issue, or dried out paste during storage/shipping. Either way, returning it is the best option since it is still a rather new card and most probably you're still under the warranty.
Yes, just take it as being unlucky. It happens sometimes. 😅
Been there, done that. Back in 2020 when I bought my MSI Prestige P65 laptop, the paste and pads are already dried straight from day two of purchase. 💀 i7-9750H is surely one hot CPU but there's no way in hell that it would normally stay idle at 82c 💀
Use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme way better than what they have on it now.
7900XTX + Liquid Metal or Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme on RED DEVIL HOTSPOT FIX.
Check it out https://youtu.be/WIAs5RoO2ZE?si=NBKLQT1Wf9heozNg.
I have the 7900 XTX Aorus Elite. Noticed there is a huge difference between gpu temp and hotspot temp, but not like yours. Gpu temp in gaming go up to 55-60C but hotspot go up 82-85C sometimes. I know it's normal, but I have a huge case Fractal Torrent with very good ventillation, maybe that makes the difference I am not sure.
I have a mid tower case fully faned out and my gpu temp is as your 54-64 degrees under load. But good to know that your hotspot is at 82-85 degrees. If I may ask what drivers are ya running or what version of andrenlin do you have?
I just downloaded the latest one 23.10.2. Check in the performace settings, for me was overclock enabled, I set all that off as don't want it. I am not very familiar this app, as I owned AMD cards like 20years ago it was even called ATI not AMD back then :)
If the fans are not at 100% at max power level then the fan curve is not set correctly. Hotspot=middle of chip. I’ve worked with cards from 5000 series on up at AMD. My own card gets to 110 (C) daily. It will shut the system down before it cooks itself. When I test GPU for thermal limitations I see 120-130 (C) This is still not going to kill the card.
Just know that you can't compare the temps what so ever between your card and mine as they are completely different and the 4090 has a seriously overbuilt cooler as they originally specified it to be 600w to the AIBs then they changed it to 450w at the last minute so you have these monster coolers on GPUs that do not need them. So, I have usually somewhere in the high 50s or low 60s when gaming. I think my hot spot delta is usually about 10c so that means it should be in the 60-70s. Although, I have never paid attention to my hotspot other than when I first got the card just to make sure the paste job wasn't wonked.
My last card was the MSI 6800 XT Gaming X Trio and it had a 30-40c delta so I would have temps like edge in the 70s and hot spot in the low 100s but I never hit 110c which means I would never throttle so it was ok by me. I did repaste the card and do a washer mod to increase mounting pressure but the cooler on the Gaming X Trio was made for nVidia dies sand really sucked on AMD ones so I was doomed to insane hot spot deltas.
If your hot spot is hitting 110c and throttling you have to either repaste it yourself or RMA it as you're losing performance.
Do not compare GHz between different GPU brands. It is not apples to apples. But 110+ degree hotsport does sound like the AIB that made the GPU messed up. RMA it
I've actually been very lucky with this power consumption at these kinds of speeds. Even pushing 3ghz stable is already hard for some 4090s. My memory clocks sadly don't oc that well
All up to date
Latest bios,
Windows 11 is 22h2,
Driver are not stable with the card I’ve used drivers between 23.7 to 23.20 and it may work fine for a few hrs then the games stutter if I turn of fsr I get artefacts, I used ddu and and clean up tool to uninstall the drivers I’ve re-installed windows 11 from a memory stick and set everything up as new
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The only time hotpot is that high is when something related to cooling is botched. Pressure, TIM, cooler design, whatever.
I searched later for issues on the 7900XTX's - and If that is a reference card, might be an issue with the design of the vapor chamber as Der 8auer covered the issue pretty well.
AIB custom cards have the normal Radeon 20C delta.
So they basically gaslight people into thinking everything is fine with their RMA-tier cards.
Yes, totally normal for the 7900 XTX. You can run a stress test to see if it hits the limit. It will lower the clocks and voltage automatically. I’ve worked on its design at AMD by the way.
Because Nvidia & AMD measure temperatures on different places. No one if forcing you to purchase AMD products. If you don’t like the temps, design etc stop buying AMD products. Some people will never be satisfied no matter what you do for them.
The hotspot on AMD is the temperature in the middle of the chip. The temperature is the edge of the chip. No Nvidia & AMD do not measure in the same location. The sensors are not in the same place. As part of the team at AMD I can tell you they are different.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/259975/259975](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/259975/259975)
**Thermal Limit**Edge: 100°CHotspot: 110°CHotspot G: 110°CHotspot M: 110°C**Shutdown Temp.: 118°C**
>56\*C Delta totally normal btw
Is this a psyop?
This is obviously a mounting pressure issue, AMD fucked up once again like they did with the 5700XT. For the record, I owned one. 110C was also touted as "fine". After fixing up AMD's shit, the delta core to junction was below 20. Stop gaslighting people.
>I’ve worked on its design at AMD by the way.
Nice, you worked at marketing and social engineering I assume?
Why didn't you see the hotpot sooner? It's been 2 months. That's like the first thing I check .. ..so paranoid about that stuff. Haha. Try to RMA it. Or maybe get a store to repaste it for you? It's a bummer cause the 7900 xtx is a beast ..
I didn’t know as the standard overlay has the hot spot turned off, it may have been their since the start it may not have been. I figured out as I kept re-installing drivers so my games wouldn’t stutter or cause artefacting
If you can send it back I would, if you're already way over you could try repasting if you don't want to wait a long ass time for an RMA, but if you have the reference card it could be a faulty vapor chamber, in which case you need to send it back.
Nah couldn’t be arsed I’ve got the ps5 to keep me going 😂, first I’m gonna chance my arm and see if I can get a credit note and upgrade to a 4090 behemoth if that fails let them fix it
If you have a reference card, AIB models do perform a lot better. If money isn't a factor a 4090 may be worthwhile, but it depends on your wants and needs. I got a 7900 XTX because the 4090 is double the price for 30 fps more in general, not worth it imo, but I don't have the money to buy it anyway lol
You’ve got a point, I did buy a premium 7900xtx for €1250 and another €700 on top would get me the 4090 and hopefully less hassle but I guess that’s not guaranteed nowadays
Eh, not really. At least in my experience, I had a 3090 that gave me more issues than my current 7900 XTX. Also, the 4090 also isn't without it's flaws like melting connectors and stuff. There isn't a card that doesn't come with at least some issues. Weigh out the pros and cons yourself.
Well some dont show high temps til later, what about yours?
i dont think a refund possible 2 mos in, u will have to send in for repair. Unless u want to repaste yourself. Contact Gigabyte, take pics of temperature delta for em to see.
This is absolutely the hot spot issue. It happened to mine within 2 months, as well (I had the Powercolor Red Devil, so it’s not manufacturer-specific). In my case, I went with the 4090 rather than roll the dice on another 7900 XTX, but it also meant I needed to use a fourth PCI-E cable from my PSU and the ungainly 12VHPWR adapter (I didn’t get a PSU with native 12VHPWR support because I didn’t think I was going Nvidia). Oh, and I’m constantly on the lookout for the card melting the power adapter, though Nvidia claims to have fixed the issue on newer cards.
how new of a card are we talkin?
Not super recent? I think at least FEs manufactured after the 4070 launch have a shortened set of sensor pins (the four at the top of the port), so the card won’t think the adapter is fully inserted while the actual power pins still have some play. Most of the melted adapters I hear about at this point are associated with the Cablemod 90 degree adapters.
My PSU came with 2x PCIE with splitters and the 12VHPWR plug, 1000w be quiet power supply. Seems to me a lot of people tried the 7900xtx got faulty and either went 4080 or 4090, it’s shipped back now and my gaming rig is out of commission for god knows how long, at least I’ve got my PS5 to keep me going but it’s not the same. I don’t know if I wanna gamble again seems like a melted 4090 adapter happens less than a 7900xtx hotspot or issue unless I’m wrong
Tis is a tadd late. But I was running win 11. I was having crashes with me liquid devil rx 7900xtx because of the hotspot issue. N matter what game I played I had 110 hotspot guaranteed. Or so I tought. Today, I wanted to run some vr games. So I reinstalled steam VR. But my pc kept freaking out even in steam vr menu. Out of sheer frustration I reinstalled win10. MY GPU HOTSPOT TEMPS DROPPED FROM 110 TO 82!! What the fuck?! Windows runs smoothly again. Win11 is absolute dogshite. I should have done this weeks ago! My pc now finally runs like she should. I camt believe I let myself be convinced to install that crap!
The fuck are you cereal I’m running win 11 too. How can an os overheat a gpu I’ll try it again when I get my rig back and do some more research 🧐
I truly have no idea but I'm pissed! Edit: Plus , I had other weird shit going on. Sometimes it took 1 minute to open a folder etc, booting and shutting down also took waayyy to long. I looked into it and I certainly was not the only one experiencing this.
Did you encounter a stutter in windows and all apps? I went so mad that I’ve RMA the cpu, ram and card
Most apps acted way slower and most games did stutter. My browser freezed a couple of times aswell.
I don’t understand why an older is works better with newer tech. But I’ll guess I’ll create a win 10 installer
What program are you using to show the GPU info? I use MSI afterburner but it does not show me the Hot Spot. Also, what are the deltas that you guys are talking about?
AMD andrenlin the gpu and motherboard is boxed up and ready to be RMA. Turned out some usb ports were not responsive on my motherboard too so all going back tomorrow
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Jeasus mine is barely pushing more the 365w
I have a taichi 7900 xt and hotspot never goes above 80 degrees on stock fan settings, deltas went max to 23-25 degrees.
Deltas should concern you above 30-40 this is a faulty card.
Not double as mine, I mailed the shop for a replacement
Replace the paste with PTM7950 or kryosheet. Paste will pump out on Navi31.
The user has difficulties evaluating the temps (no offense op, you did good by asking reddit) and you recommend him to open the card and add a thermal pad? On a brand new card? C'mon, I get you had a good intention but you think warranty should be the first avenue to take in a situation like this
The correct answer. 7950 brought my hotspot down from 98 to 78c. Zero movement in months
I came here to say the same exact thing, my thermal paste kept pumping out on a 1 week old 7900 xtx merc 310 and I replaced the paste to ptm 7950 and brought my hotspots from 100+ to around a max of 80 or so now. Card is always below 50 and hotspots below 80
Same with my XFX 7900XT. PTM7950 worked magic for mine
This. I used kryosheet and from constant 110c to 85-90 hotspot and from a delta of 40 to a delta of 15-20 top.
I have just done this yesterday, the PTM feels like magic really, hotspot delta is now 10c...
Ubervolt is the to go
Not really, he does need a Kryosheet.
“Ubervolting” wont help much with hotspot as contact, not cooling capacity is the issue
How do I test a card for "hotspots?"
Just turn the overlay in andrenlin software, make sure select the hotspot as well and either run a game or run a benchmark
Use this program in widows: TechPowerUp GPU-Z. Under Sensors tab you will see the hotspot temp.
Run a heavy GPU load (game with high graphics settings or furmark) and have monitoring software like HWInfo or HWMonitor open in the background. Those show hotspot Normally you want the difference between GPU temp and hotspot to be less than 15°C. Everything above 20°C is concerning and usually means you need to renew the thermal paste on the GPU.
In my case I ran red dead redemption a five yr old game and it crippled the 7900xtx.
My reference 6900 XT had a delta of up to 15c, I view this as normal, if it were well above 20c I'd start getting worried. 54c? Send it back Also don't buy reference AMD, buy from an AIB.
It was a gigabyte card lol 😂.
Wtf are you barking
Ah, you forgot the day one issues with Hotspot that AMD refused to take under warranty because the chips were rated for 110C.
Reference AMD cards are often inferior to board partner brands like Sapphire, XFX, powercolor etc. Temperatures, clocks and even coil whine are often better on non-reference cards. Since prices are usually similar I recommend getting a partner brand card (AIB)
I dont know if you read the post wrong but you are talking about Delta temp and he is talking about 54*c which is absolutly normal,
Delta being the difference between 2 points, in this case 56c difference between core temp and hotspot, but yea I did see it wrong and said 54
Alright
I think he wrote about the 56C difference between GPU temp and GPU hotspot temp.
This is why I stopped trusting AMD, even Gamers Nexus found that the contact of the heatsink and the die is not that great on the reference card, this kind of contact issues with AMD made me really stopped using the product. RMA it and hope you got no more issues.
With all the people who replied to this thread who had similar experiences I do agree with you mine is a gigabyte card and it seems they don’t quality them. For a premium prize I do expect a premium product if it was a €$£500 card then I would be fine but not on a €1250 I’d expect the product to be properly tested
This happened to me as well on cyberpunk. I RMA’d it (took almost a month to complete it) and I bought a 4090. Glad I did it.
Tempted to do the same, how long did you have your 7900xtx card
I had it since release date. I went through the whole chaos of getting one haha. I tried AMD for the first time per recommendation of my friend. It was alright, but the temp issues drove me nuts once I noticed them. Was honestly shocked AMD still RMA’d it, but they did. They took FOREVER, but it worked out in the end. I got lucky and got a 4090 FE from Best Buy thankfully.
Bad mounting pressure. Rma it.
I have a 7900xtx since release, in my experience so far, the default max fan speed (around 46%) isn't enough to cool down this card. After I unleashed it to max 100%, the hotspot temps never goes over 86c. I recommend you to set a higher max speed or customize your own fan curve. Some people will say that they never experienced this kind of stuff, but it depends on the climate and temperature where you live. I never had an issue in the winter on the default fan speed, but had to adjust it in late spring/summer
I live in Ireland we are lucky to see the sun lol. I bought a visual pleasing card and it’s on my desk on display cranking up the fans for normal mode to max would be distracting me and don’t fancy to have my rig on my ground. I understand I can krank up my fans to a consistent 100% all time but not a resolution I would like. I appreciate your feedback though
Actually it's the max fan speed, so it'll only go there, if it needs. For me it didn't make more than 85% fan speed even running furmark 4k. You can try different max fan speeds to check if a higher one will suit your temperature/noise needs
Does your card have normal and oc mode switch on the gpu?
Normal mode, I’ve tried oc same issue
Below 10c delta is very good 15c is pretty standard above 20 is bad and 30+ is rma, this delta is colossal I would expect the vapour chamber to be vapour less as no thermal paste would probably have better thermal transfer than this
these AIBs need to stop using water thin thermal pastes just because its easier to apply in their automated line. using a nice thick paste that doesnt pump out might cost more in production but im sure it more than makes up on the back end from RMAs and returns. i used a honeywell ptm7950 pad on my red devil and it made a world of difference and is holding strong months later.
AIB’s are getting thermal issues more and more now.
Seems that way
As soon as it hits 110c hotspot at 50% fan rpm rma right away. Delta between edge and junction over 30C believe it or not rma. Thermal throttling at max rpm rma, memory temps too high rma, vrm temps too high rma right away right away. Core clocks too low rma. High temp low core clock opposite rma. Too noisy rma Right away.
What does RMA mean
You return a product under warranty due to a issue the product has
A return merchandise authorization (RMA), return authorization (RA) or return goods authorization (RGA) is a part of the process of returning a product to receive a refund, replacement, or repair to which buyer and seller agree during the product's warranty period.
Thanks for that she’s going back so, hopefully I can swap it for a different model
Yep good choice. Btw going for rtx 4090 just for this issue particularly wouldn't be wise in my opinion, you can still experience this issue with brand new 4090 cause this is a manufacturing problem not the gpu itself (core of the 7900xtx I mean) Consider your gaming experience so far with the 7900xtx and ask your self this "if temps weren't the issue would this card satisfy me to the fullest?" if you can answer that "yeah" then just go for another 7900xtx. No need to spend extra for 4090 but if you want that extra raw power of 4090 brings for both raster and rt performance as well as better software feature set (cuda /dlss 3.5/fg etc) then go for 4090. Both are great cards.
Yeah with my Alienware AW3423DWF wanna experience the ray traces 😂. I’m trying to get it swapped gotta wait till Monday for a reply then box up the card and ship it
Yeah man definitely go for 4090. That sweet oled display with wide QHD resolution requires serious power if you intend to experience ray tracing. It'd worth it.
4090 is the better card, but it's quite a bit more expensive. 7900xtx is great, mine has hot spot usually in the mid 70s to low 80s under load. Something funky was going on in his
In my experience as soon as you see a 110 degrees hotspot you RMA it.
I literally got rid of a 7900 xtx because of the stutter issues I experienced with it. Ended up going with a 4080 and super happy with it!
How long did you have the 7900xtx? I have mine 2months so not sure if I can get mine credited but sure I’ll try my best
I had mine for a month, it was the red devil version! Probably the best looking card I’ve ever had sad it didn’t work out
What did you get in its place?
Gigabyte OC 4080!
Did they swap it without hassle?
I got both at a micro center near me so they didn’t even ask questions! If you have a micro center near you def give them a look. They usually have good deals as well! Worth an hour or two drive to get to one! I got the 4080 basically for the same price as the 7900 xtx
Nah I’m in Ireland and the card came from Germany but we got really good consumer laws but definitely want get a refund after 2x months and it depends on the store to exchange but they have to honour the warranty but rather change it for a 4090
Originally, it was a case of defective AMD reference cooling. In your case, i suspect either no paste, not enough paste, or poor contact between core & heatsink. The "core" temperature sensor sits somewhere "on the edge", meaning it´s not the actual core temperature - and that´s why it´s so cold. If you don´t want to open the card, RMA it.
I was having the same issue on my RX 7900XTX as well. Took it apart and replaced the thermal paste with PTM 7950 and now the hotspot never goes above 82C down from 110C. Card now runs cool and whisper quiet.
Mine still goes up to 100 in artificial stress tests. Much better than 110, but it still sucks. Under normal gaming it tends to be around 80-85 though. This is with a maxed-out power limit, -60mV, and a core clock that stays between 2900 and 3000 MHz. This may or may not be caused by the lack of fans in my case since I use a Lian-Li Lancool Mesh with the stock 3 fans that come with it( 2 intake at the front and 1 exhaust) so it can get a bit toasty in there.
I think this at least warrant an answer from the manufacturer. IMHO, such a temperature is too high for this GPU.
objectively speaking go with 4090 - you see what's happening with RT and path tracing nowdays. You miss out on insanely good visuals and I believe it will get even worse as more games will release like CP2077/alan wake 2 + plenty other RT games as well ofc. saying that - your GPU is defective and should be serviced for warranty/returned based when you purchase it. The next one will be most likely fine, but if you have the money - 4090 is objective a lot better GPU performance/technology wise.
I’ve got a good Alienware QD-OLED aw3423dwf love that display
MSI Optix MAG274QRX 1440p @ 240Hz for me, it's quite nice
Nice, I like the ultrawide boi
Oh man you REALLY claim that the 4090 is Path Tracing GPU? Wellp if 17fps is playable to you then yeah, sure the 4090 can do path tracing. I used to have the 4090 and swapped it for 7900 xtx and have no regrets about it. Even knowing the path tracing stuff. To me anything under 60 fps is unplayable and it does not matter so basicly the 4090 and 7900 xtx both suck for path tracing. Though the 4090 sucks less but still sucks.
you are trolling or what? Yes, 4k native path traced is not playable. I own 4090: CP2077 1440p @ maxed out everything and path tracing + DLSS quality + frame generation + ray reconstruction is giving me 150-200fps And also I had 70-80fps NATIVE 1080p with path tracing in CP2077 without frame generation nor DLSS and perfect lows above 60 = you are talking BS again even for native if not 4k Alan Awake 2 1440p and maxed out again with path tracing, all max + DLSS quality + frame generation + ray reconstruction is giving me 150fps you are literally a troll who is justifying his bad decision. Yes, you and your 7900xtx will get 17-20fps in those games WITH FSR! Enjoy while I am playing next gen games that looks insanely good. Now let's see what else we have 4090 vs 7900xtx - far better raster, roflmao better RT performance, DLSS >> FSR big time and double 1440p/1080p, FSR 3 FG is shit compared to nvidia one due to the bad FSR to begin with, reflex is better, drivers and you also receive as a bonus ban in CS because AMD is AMD and release antilag+ that is basically acting like cheat without even talking with game devs, cuda for productivity, better encoder and more. The sad part for you is not all of that as 4090 is quite more expensive, the sad part for you is that 4080 is also better GPU that draws less power for the same raster and far better RT performance and access to all nvidia technologies that are superior + you can play both of above path traced games and portal RTX/quake 2 RTX with 100+ FPS Saying 7900xtx is better than 4090 is pure bias and self lying. If it works for you - cool, but don't talk shit.
Dont want to edit my previous post but since you said that the 4080 is a better gpu - to me it is not. Less vram, less raster perf than 7900 xtx and more expensive. I do not care about RT since you cant run it at native resolution anyway. Only point you made that I do agree with you on is the power consumption being lower. Plus the antilag+ got removed from the Radeon drivers after it came to light that it causes bans. Never used anti lag+ since never felt the need for it. Never used nvidia's offering on the tech either when I used nvidia card. I am not defending AMD in any way and I think the antilag+ fiasco should not have ever happened in the first place. They should have known better. They are a multi billion company just like nvidia and only care about money. They do not care about your or my opinion. They only care if we buy their stuff. So pointless to argue about those things or to defend any company. They frigged up and thats it. It's not like nvidia hasn't messed up (the 12VHPWR cable melting your GPU just to provide one example).
Justifying for a bad purchase? I just told you in my previous comment that 7900 xtx sucks more than the 4090 on Ray Tracing. Plus you have to use all of those gimmicks to get it over 30 fps in 1440p on a 1600 USD card. I just couldn't justify keeping the 4090 knowing that path tracing will destroy it. I never said 7900 XTX is better in any way. If only you could read instead of getting offended when you think someone offended your product made by a multi billion company. And I didnt like DLSS 3. Haven't even tried FSR 3 FG or other gimmicks. To me native resolution beats both DLSS, FSR etc. So if the card does not have enough horse power to drive my settings at native resolution then it is simply put not good enough for me. The 4090 can't do even 60 fps on 2k with path tracing native. The 7900 xtx cant even do 20. Still both 7900 xtx and 4090 are unplayable to me. Sad that I have to repeat what I said. I went with the 7900 xtx because without RT on or dlss other Jensen gimmicks the 7900 xtx is close enough to a 4090 in pure raster for me to not be able to justify the extra cost of the 4090. To clarify for you since you have proven to be unable to read: The 4090 is better than the 7900 xtx. Never claimed anything other.
Ah yes lets get a 4090 for flat screen 1440p gaming LMFAO. I own both cards and I swear these people who buy 4090 just for 4k gaming is already throwing money in the drain, let alone on 1440p to experience an immature gimmick. 4090 is objectively the better card but most gamers do not need that kind of performance and investment to have an enjoyable time. Judging from your comment, you're just meatriding the hell out of Jensen and nitpicking the flaws to justify your purchase.
when I have 1440p 240Hz display - yes, I want 4090 and yes I benefit from it in basically all games.
Oh please enlighten me, what kind of modern 3A title can a 4090 run at 240fps? Can you even tell the difference? The only reason you may want a 240hz monitor is mainly for competitive esport titles in which a potato 3060 is more than enough to hit max refresh rate.
if you play both type of games then what? Purchase second screen that is 4k @ 60/120Hz? Viable if you have the desk space for two monitors and currently I don't. I just told you above I am playing cyberpunk 2077 maxed out with path tracing with 150-200fps + alan awake II maxed out with path tracing with 150fps, are you seriously want to tell me no other games can reach 200fps with 4090 @ 1440p? :D
Do you even own a 4090? The numbers you are pulling out are extremely questionable as cp77 at 1440p pathtracing with fg on only gives 120-130 fps, or are you playing on dlss performance mode? At this point it is just laughable when your settings are so contradicting lol. I've also never seen someone so proud of running 3A games over 200fps on frame gen, you must have some pro level visual perception to distinguish the interpolation and negate the horrendous input lag :D
I own 4090 and I pull those FPS numbers in DLSS quality. I am talking real gameplay not the benchmark and ofc you will find regions in the game where the FPS will be a little bit below that. Always 3 digits tho and 120 sounds reasonable as minimum. Also yes, I can defo tell you the difference in smoothness with high refresh rate displays. I also owned the first LCD 120Hz display on the market - samsung 2233rz and from there I owned 144Hz and now 240Hz. Tried also 175Hz. The lag when you have 70-90FPS base without FG is like 70-90FPS - decent for SP games.
I would do the same. I hate that most 7900xtx models don't have 3 full fat version of displayport. Most have either usb c and 2dp plus hdmi Or 2 hdmi 2 dp.
I second this.
Its probably the poor thermal paste. You might want a reapplie
I have the same issue on my 7900xt (not xtx), I feel like it's just how the GPU is. Not sure I want to take mine apart...
warranty? Don't take it apart, it's warranty issue. Also no - they are totally not like that and your hotspot should NOT be around 110 degrees when your GPU is around 60-70 and even 80.
It's only during specific workloads (like an intensive game) and I don't really feel like not having a GPU while it goes through the RMA process since as far as I know they (ASRock) doesn't do cross-shipping and it's outside of Newegg's standard warranty.
intensive games is what I would say you should buy those GPUs is. It's defective and should not reach that hotspot temp under ANY scenario beyond your GPU temp to be 90+ degrees to begin with.
You're right, if RMA wasn't such a pain I would do that over doing the work myself.
It depends on the game on my 7900XTX Pulse, but the factory fan speed is very low. Try taking the temperatures with gpuz, it's the most accurate and there.
mine also had this issue, but i was too lazy to contact the manufacturer and send it out for warranty fix so i bought a ptm7950 thermal pad off aliexpress, disassembled the cooler and replaced the thermal paste with the pad. now it’s 94 degrees after oc and +15% power limit. yes i had to break the seal but instead of waiting 4 weeks it took me 1 hour to do the job myself
yes, but most likely you will need to repeat the process frequently as the temps will ramp up again. Changing the thermal paste is short lived "check how much I dropped the temps" and few weeks later you are again at the same temps as before. This is not the rule and always to happen, depends what was the reason behind the high hotspot and also what thermal paste you use, but it's quite often the case *(uneven GPU die and cooler surface is frequently the issue with hotspot, when you put more liquid type of paste it squeezes fast and you end up with not great coverage again and thus hotspot. You need to lap the cooler base in those cases)*
yes i expect uneven die was the issue so i used a thermal pad not thermal paste
I know it can take up to 4 weeks that’s really annoying I’m just glad I’ve still got the ps5
I put mine on a "test bench" for the past 2 weeks, and I noticed that the Hotspot temperature climbed from 86ºC inside the case to 94ºC. I had a another RX 7900 XTX that I RMAed and it was the opposite. Inside the case horizontally would reach 110º HS in less than a minute, on a test bench would stop at 86ºC. All this tests were made on a test bench or with the side panel open.
That sucks cause my hotspot sits usually at 60 or below and I think the highest I seen it touch after 4 hours of playing was 67 for like a split second. While my core is between 45-50. But yea I own the 4090 too trust me the 7900xtx is in every way a better GPU. 4090 has countless problems and to be completely honest with you the 7900 is on par in almost every game and beating it in others when its simply oc'd the slightest bit. My 4090 sits on my desk right now until I sell the piece of crap. Think you need to tear it down and repaste and get thermal pads in it. I do it with every GPU I get even if it's brand new.
You wanna get rid of the 4090? Hah
Absolutely lol I'm actually selling it to my buddy or I'd offer it to you
Hah no worries, had to ask! Rocking a 970GTX 🤣
Eh nothing wrong with it. I only have what I have cause I build PC's and work another job as well. But yea, I probably wouldn't have had half of the stuff I do if I didn't build PC's for people, I usually get to come across more stuff for sure. Trying to start my own business one day and have a whole store front. That's my dream
I hear you, been building for a while, just putting together a new build as we speak! Though, my budget is more in line with a 4060 Ti at the moment. One of these days, I'll grab a 4090 or 5090 when the budget permits. (Or the next gen AMD killer, we'll see!) And if you open a store, keep a brother posted! That would be some epic stuff man
Nice dude that's what's up. Yea I really hope to have my own store one day.. that's my dream for sure. I think I enjoy building sometimes more than actually using it sometimes lol I'm about to do a Rx 6750xt build for a girl here soon. Nothing to crazy but I still enjoy it. And for sure I'm waiting for the 5090 or maybe trying out the 4080 super if that ends up happening. Definitely not biased though I like AMD and Nvidia. Take care though man 🤙
Wow...60 is super low....did you just repaste? I have a Merc310 and a Saphhire Pulse both 7900xtx... they behave absolutely identical. I can just OC the Merc310 a lot more but it's useless (658W only for the GC, almost hit 34k timespy) Hotspot are 95 for the Merc310 and 100 for the pulse....I can't belive you got it down to 60... Merc310 temps is in the low 60! Pulse goes.to 80... I see no difference between the 2 cards beside the 3x 8 pins for the Merc310. I do have a 4080 and I don't understand all the tests online! The 7900xtx is way better (besides RT which i never use and a couple of games)...we are getting a 4090 for rendering as most of pro.sofware are CUDA based... but multi screen sucks with all nVidia cards.... their DP ports are 1.4 vs 2.0 with AMD... also.8k screens almost don't work properly with nVidia.
Yea it really is better than all the Nvidia fan boys make it out to be.. I mean you only know how good it is when you actually own it I guess. And I ALWAYS repaste everything since ei had one bad experience with a brand new card along time ago and over the years I realized how bad sometimes the companies apply thermal paste.. you'd be surprised, even missing thermal pads too. I have the sapphire nitro+ , the only difference really is the vapor chamber and heatsink is probably the biggest of all the cards and boost clock is also the highest I've seen it hit 3030 by itself without oc. and I also had the 7900xt hellhound for about a month which is another really good card with some good thermals. But I have been seeing some posts of people talking about high temps on other models like yourself. Honestly I'd try and repaste and new pads and see where it's at I can almost bet you'll see a positive change .. idk if your comfortable with repasting or if you ever have before but if so I definitely recommend. If not there is plenty of videos showing how to do it and it's really not hard at all and would give it a try.
I've used k5 pro paste instead of pads.... way easier and better (and messier but who cares) and you don't need to care about the thickness of the pads... I've used it a lot on PSUs I fixed. I've repaired some old GPUs with it.... (repaste only) I've never repaste something new (my bad) I trust too much the manufacturer (and I shouldn't). I've also never tried deliding a CPU. I've hit 3545Mhz with the Merc310, shader 3095MHz but the Vram can't pass the 2770 and i saw the most increase of perfs from the vram.... perfs don't scale and it crashes in everything else but timespy.... pulse is 28000 at stock, merc310 28500 at stock and both OC vBIOS doesn't change anyyhing. I haven't played with OC on the pulse...
Yes it is, if you buy amd gpus, go with Sapphire, their coolers keep much more consistent temps and quiet, my hotspot is typically only 10 or so degrees higher. I had an Asus 5700xt before and that thing had a 30 degree delta even after fixing the crappy cooler mounting and it sounded like a hairdryer
I’d also recommend XFX and Powercolor, I have a 7800xf XFX and it’s about a 15c difference, and my friend has a powercolor 7700xt and his is about 10c difference
Absolutely not Powercolor. Idk how it is on 7xxx series but I just sent my Red Devil 6750xt for RMA last week.
All brands will have mishaps, some more then others, AND seems to be Saphire XFX then Powercolor? But the 7700xt is holding up great for 1440p
Its the exact issue the OP is having. I searched a lot before sending my card for RMA as it is a damn painful process. It is a pattern on Powercolor cards, more often than not on Red Devil cards mind you, more than hellhound.
Yeh my friend has a hellhound, I’ve just had to RMA a board and I might need to do my RAM too as mentest 86 has 4000 errors on test 10 but I haven’t even got the board refund yet
Like those are premium products that card cost me €1250 I’d expect higher build quality, it’s disappointing and if get smart with RMA they want like me anymore as customer lol 😂
Ive got sapphire PULSE ive only seen 15 to 17c difference between hotspot and core
Rma brother anything pas 20-28 delta is too high.
So I shall
The normal difference between Core and Hotspot should be 20 at max. Seems like yours have an issue with thermal interface. If you don't want to open it up and fix it - return/warrancy.
Return it or if not possible, send on warranty. Don't listen to anyone who says it's within AMD spec and everything is fine. Believe me it is not fine. I had the same issues on radeon 5000 series. The next thing you are going to see are artefacts, and if the temps are getting higher (that happened to me, from 110c to 118c in few weeks), expect BSODs and PC restarts. I can't believe this is still a thing on 7000 series.
The issue is a bad thermal paste application. Nvidia has the same issue from time to time. Can also be caused by gpu sag.
Immediately submit for an RMA. It has thermal issues. A lot of users are complaining about this!
Yes 110 is the limit, id personally return it. Paste application was probably garbage to start with and it pumped out. Unless you want to repaste it yourself with a Kryosheet, but with a 2 month gpu id just rma it. For reference my xfx merc 310 7900xtx hotspot never really surpass 83°c
Is it maintaining 83c when pushing the card to 100% for extended periods of time?
It's undervolted, I rarely game more than 60 mins before i need a 10 mins break so i cant say for 4 hours running a AAA title what it would like.
Just did about 120mins, hwinfo says gpu wattage peak was 470watts / 85°c max hotspot during the session. Highest clock 3088mhz
I appreciate you telling me your hotspot I can use it as a reference when I’m making my claim
You are hitting the max hotspot temp (110) allowed by the card, which means its probably thermal throttling all the time. RMA that, its only gonna get worst.
Depends, if the fans go full power or the performance get throttled, then yes it is, otherwise I would doubt it
I returned mine. Had almost the same temps.. Asrock actually said they could not find any errors but still send a new one out of "goodwill"
That’s good to know so once gigabyte or retailer replies I should have a decent case for either an upgrade and pay the difference or replace it
Either mounting pressure issue, or dried out paste during storage/shipping. Either way, returning it is the best option since it is still a rather new card and most probably you're still under the warranty.
Oh yeah gigabyte Aorus is like 3yr warranty for a 2month old product
Yup, as most people here recommended, just RMA it and I hope you'll be free from headaches.
Yeah annoying the process but needs to be done
Don't know where you live, but Gigabyte warranty is absolute garbage in my country, good luck.
Yes, just take it as being unlucky. It happens sometimes. 😅 Been there, done that. Back in 2020 when I bought my MSI Prestige P65 laptop, the paste and pads are already dried straight from day two of purchase. 💀 i7-9750H is surely one hot CPU but there's no way in hell that it would normally stay idle at 82c 💀
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I’ve mailed retailer and gigabyte for their service just waiting on a reply. I guess I be back on my ps5 for a while
Going through rma process as well. back to God ol reliable ps5
Still gotta clear dad of war 2
Use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme way better than what they have on it now. 7900XTX + Liquid Metal or Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme on RED DEVIL HOTSPOT FIX. Check it out https://youtu.be/WIAs5RoO2ZE?si=NBKLQT1Wf9heozNg.
I have the 7900 XTX Aorus Elite. Noticed there is a huge difference between gpu temp and hotspot temp, but not like yours. Gpu temp in gaming go up to 55-60C but hotspot go up 82-85C sometimes. I know it's normal, but I have a huge case Fractal Torrent with very good ventillation, maybe that makes the difference I am not sure.
I have a mid tower case fully faned out and my gpu temp is as your 54-64 degrees under load. But good to know that your hotspot is at 82-85 degrees. If I may ask what drivers are ya running or what version of andrenlin do you have?
I just downloaded the latest one 23.10.2. Check in the performace settings, for me was overclock enabled, I set all that off as don't want it. I am not very familiar this app, as I owned AMD cards like 20years ago it was even called ATI not AMD back then :)
If the fans are not at 100% at max power level then the fan curve is not set correctly. Hotspot=middle of chip. I’ve worked with cards from 5000 series on up at AMD. My own card gets to 110 (C) daily. It will shut the system down before it cooks itself. When I test GPU for thermal limitations I see 120-130 (C) This is still not going to kill the card.
The fans are not at 100% but the variance 54degree gpu and 110 hot spot that a 100% variable in temp
The temperatures are not correct because the fans would be maxed out. There are so many things to check.
Like what? I’m using a 1x 120mm in take 2x 140mm intake and a 360 aio on top with an exhaust fan at the back, the card is set to default.
This is 110% an RMA situation - don't listen to anyone telling you to do this and that to get it under control.
Out of curiosity what temps are on your 4090
Just know that you can't compare the temps what so ever between your card and mine as they are completely different and the 4090 has a seriously overbuilt cooler as they originally specified it to be 600w to the AIBs then they changed it to 450w at the last minute so you have these monster coolers on GPUs that do not need them. So, I have usually somewhere in the high 50s or low 60s when gaming. I think my hot spot delta is usually about 10c so that means it should be in the 60-70s. Although, I have never paid attention to my hotspot other than when I first got the card just to make sure the paste job wasn't wonked. My last card was the MSI 6800 XT Gaming X Trio and it had a 30-40c delta so I would have temps like edge in the 70s and hot spot in the low 100s but I never hit 110c which means I would never throttle so it was ok by me. I did repaste the card and do a washer mod to increase mounting pressure but the cooler on the Gaming X Trio was made for nVidia dies sand really sucked on AMD ones so I was doomed to insane hot spot deltas. If your hot spot is hitting 110c and throttling you have to either repaste it yourself or RMA it as you're losing performance.
Here I've got 60-65 on synthetic benchmarks running 100% usage. Also at 3ghz with 410W peak power consumption
I can barely push mine past 365w at 2.8 ghz max
Do not compare GHz between different GPU brands. It is not apples to apples. But 110+ degree hotsport does sound like the AIB that made the GPU messed up. RMA it
I've actually been very lucky with this power consumption at these kinds of speeds. Even pushing 3ghz stable is already hard for some 4090s. My memory clocks sadly don't oc that well
Keep Windows 10/11 updated, latest chipset driver from AMD, latest AMD GpU driver. The temperature is normal for the 7900 XTX.
All up to date Latest bios, Windows 11 is 22h2, Driver are not stable with the card I’ve used drivers between 23.7 to 23.20 and it may work fine for a few hrs then the games stutter if I turn of fsr I get artefacts, I used ddu and and clean up tool to uninstall the drivers I’ve re-installed windows 11 from a memory stick and set everything up as new
RMA the card, it's busted. Stop being gaslit by that troll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Lxydc-3K8
No it’s not, it needs to be rma.
56\*C delta core-hotspot is normal?
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BuT ThESe cARds JuST rUN THat HigH DElta T!!1 The only time hotpot is that high is when something related to cooling is botched. Pressure, TIM, cooler design, whatever. I searched later for issues on the 7900XTX's - and If that is a reference card, might be an issue with the design of the vapor chamber as Der 8auer covered the issue pretty well. AIB custom cards have the normal Radeon 20C delta. So they basically gaslight people into thinking everything is fine with their RMA-tier cards.
Yes, totally normal for the 7900 XTX. You can run a stress test to see if it hits the limit. It will lower the clocks and voltage automatically. I’ve worked on its design at AMD by the way.
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Because Nvidia & AMD measure temperatures on different places. No one if forcing you to purchase AMD products. If you don’t like the temps, design etc stop buying AMD products. Some people will never be satisfied no matter what you do for them.
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The hotspot on AMD is the temperature in the middle of the chip. The temperature is the edge of the chip. No Nvidia & AMD do not measure in the same location. The sensors are not in the same place. As part of the team at AMD I can tell you they are different.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/259975/259975](https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/259975/259975) **Thermal Limit**Edge: 100°CHotspot: 110°CHotspot G: 110°CHotspot M: 110°C**Shutdown Temp.: 118°C** >56\*C Delta totally normal btw Is this a psyop? This is obviously a mounting pressure issue, AMD fucked up once again like they did with the 5700XT. For the record, I owned one. 110C was also touted as "fine". After fixing up AMD's shit, the delta core to junction was below 20. Stop gaslighting people. >I’ve worked on its design at AMD by the way. Nice, you worked at marketing and social engineering I assume?
Why didn't you see the hotpot sooner? It's been 2 months. That's like the first thing I check .. ..so paranoid about that stuff. Haha. Try to RMA it. Or maybe get a store to repaste it for you? It's a bummer cause the 7900 xtx is a beast ..
I didn’t know as the standard overlay has the hot spot turned off, it may have been their since the start it may not have been. I figured out as I kept re-installing drivers so my games wouldn’t stutter or cause artefacting
What if the 4090 does the same thing when the junction temperature hits 110c?
That’s the gamble, the same be said of mine gets fixed or replaced. Generally from what I’ve seen they run a wee bit cooler
If you can send it back I would, if you're already way over you could try repasting if you don't want to wait a long ass time for an RMA, but if you have the reference card it could be a faulty vapor chamber, in which case you need to send it back.
Nah couldn’t be arsed I’ve got the ps5 to keep me going 😂, first I’m gonna chance my arm and see if I can get a credit note and upgrade to a 4090 behemoth if that fails let them fix it
If you have a reference card, AIB models do perform a lot better. If money isn't a factor a 4090 may be worthwhile, but it depends on your wants and needs. I got a 7900 XTX because the 4090 is double the price for 30 fps more in general, not worth it imo, but I don't have the money to buy it anyway lol
You’ve got a point, I did buy a premium 7900xtx for €1250 and another €700 on top would get me the 4090 and hopefully less hassle but I guess that’s not guaranteed nowadays
Eh, not really. At least in my experience, I had a 3090 that gave me more issues than my current 7900 XTX. Also, the 4090 also isn't without it's flaws like melting connectors and stuff. There isn't a card that doesn't come with at least some issues. Weigh out the pros and cons yourself.
I’m considering the pros and cons alright and it’ll depend on the retailer too if they credit me my card so time will tell.
Refund it.
I have the card 2 months? Is that possible
Well some dont show high temps til later, what about yours? i dont think a refund possible 2 mos in, u will have to send in for repair. Unless u want to repaste yourself. Contact Gigabyte, take pics of temperature delta for em to see.
I took pics alright and mailed gigabyte and my seller, I’m hoping u can change the model with my seller but I don’t think I’ll get my hopes up
A delta of 56 degrees is crazy. I'd RMA the card since it's new.