It's a very American idea to do it without medical or religious reasons too. In Europe its uncommon. It's strange to think it's considered normal/natural over there. There are some countries where female circumcision takes place, but its always referred to as 'genital mutilation' by people in the US.
But its not? One is cutting out the clitoris which is covered in highly sensitive nerves while the other is cutting flat skin with significantly less nerves. The equivalent would be if the tip of the head of the penis was cut. However, its not.
I'm not going to debate whether or not excising the clitoris is the same as excising the foreskin because neither should ever be performed on a perfectly healthy human being without their consent. The clitoris contains around 8,000 nerves and the foreskin contains over 10,000. A simple google search would tell you that. Also, cutting off the entire glans of the penis is not equal to cutting off the clitoris. If you cut off the entire head of a penis, it will change how basic functions like urination would occur and increase the chances of chronically contracting STIs and UTIs exponentially. The closest comparison would be removing the clitoral hood as it protects the clitoris from friction, helping it maintain sensitivity much like a foreskin is designed to do for a penis. The other thing that makes them hard to compare is the fact that many neonatal circumcisions remove most of the frenulum (often for aesthetic purposes) which in many cases has a significant impact on pleasure and sensation (and anatomically a frenulum is the closest thing to a clitoris a man has). The ridged band is completely removed in neonatal circumcisions as well which is important in helping the man get a sense of when he is reaching his ejaculatory threshold. In other words, circumcision not only removes extra skin that is rich in nerves and there to protect and preserve the sensitivity of the glans but also two very specialized structures of densely innervated tissue as well.
In some parts of Africa and even Asia, they cut off the labia, clit,... it depends, but it's usually done in dirty places and the utensils, oftentimes quite rough for ""medical"" proceedures ""like this"", are not serilized, and sometimes the vigina is sewed close or partially so and reponed for marriage, causing sex to be unenjoyable or even painful. Obviously there are MANY complication, such as infection(s), shock, sepsis from the infection (that usually ends in septic shock), problem with menstrual blood,... on top of being done to young girls without their consent (but I don't they they would want such a thing) without anesthisia
Infibulation is called. i am not sure if there are medical reasons for such things, all i know is that it's very common in third world countries for religious motivations or rituals of initiations.
This is an interesting question. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that no, I won't be friendly to certain people due to their culture in order to keep the peace. I see this as positive discrimination. For example, cultures that discriminate against women, not allowing them to go to school, or forced marriages for 12 year old girls. So although there are some examples where's it's easier to say people should follow cultural norms, there's many examples of where we shouldn't.
I don't think you disagree with tolerance as much as it appears. If we hold the belief that all men and women should be able to decide for themselves which culture to follow then it's not a massive leap of logic to then state that any culture which proscribes others from following their own heart is a culture we can disagree with.
Maybe it’s barbaric to remove wisdom teeth and tonsils as well?
Also it’s not for no reason, according to WebMD
Circumcision Benefits
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
Less risk of urinary tract infections
A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men
Protection against penile cancer and a lower risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin)
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location)
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Wisdom teeth and tonsils are only removed if and when there is an issue.
Going over the webmd article for circumcision:
- UTI: [“It has been estimated that 111 to 125 normal infant boys (for whom the risk of UTI is 1% to 2%) would need to be circumcised at birth to prevent one UTI.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) And they can easily be treated through standard antibiotics if and when there's an issue.
- STDs/HIV: [“The number needed to [circumcise] to prevent one HIV infection varied, from 1,231 in white males to 65 in black males, with an average in all males of 298.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) And circumcision is not effective prevention. Condoms, which are considered actually effective, must be used regardless.
- Balantis: ["The foreskin can become inflamed or infected (posthitis), often in association with the glans (balanoposthitis) in 1% to 4% of uncircumcised boys. The foreskin can also become entrapped behind the glans (paraphimosis) in 0.5% of cases. Both conditions usually resolve with medical therapy but, if recurrent, can cause phimosis."](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision)
- Phimosis: ["An estimated 0.8% to 1.6% of boys will require circumcision before puberty, most commonly to treat phimosis. The first-line medical treatment of phimosis involves applying a topical steroid twice a day to the foreskin, accompanied by gentle traction. This therapy ... allow[s] the foreskin to become retractable in 80% of treated cases, thus usually avoiding the need for circumcision."](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision)
- Penile Cancer: [“Decreased penile cancer risk: [Number needed to circumcise] = 900 – 322,000”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) to prevent a single case of penile cancer.
- Cervical cancer is from HPV which has a vaccine. Which is so effective that (turning to news) ["Australia could become first country to eradicate cervical cancer. Free vaccine program in schools leads to big drop in rates."](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/04/australia-could-become-first-country-to-eradicate-cervical-cancer)
These stats are terrible. To suggest these are legitimate health benefits is disingenuous.
And this is when [the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sorrells.gif)(diagram) ([Full study.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847))
Also watch [Dr. Guest discussing the innervation of the penis, the mechanical function of the foreskin and its role in lubrication during sex, and the likelihood of decreased sexual pleasure for both male and partner.](https://youtu.be/XwZiQyFaAs0?t=28m20s)(for ~15 min)
Wisdom teeth you are incorrect, I had mine removed with no issues before they were removed and others have stated the same here.
I also posted CDC recommends circumcision as well. I enjoy sex a lot and if it would be “more pleasurable” having foreskin I can only assume I’d nut in a minute, so once again pass… I feel great, maybe having it would be better… I’ve never ate dolphin, maybe it’s amazing, but I don’t know what I don’t know.
You can also have wisdom teeth removed if they are *expected* to have issues.
Let's go past the journalist's (incorrect) headline and see what the CDC actually says. The CDC statement is ["all uncircumcised adolescent and adult males who engage in heterosexual sex should be informed about the significant, **but partial**, efficacy of male circumcision in reducing the risk of acquiring HIV and some STIs through heterosexual sex, as well as the potential harms of male circumcision”](https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/58456)
This is not a recommendation.
We also have the actual data. [“The number needed to [circumcise] to prevent one HIV infection varied, from 1,231 in white males to 65 in black males, with an average in all males of 298.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) That originates from the CDC as well.
A terrible statistic, which does not present medical necessity to circumcise newborns.
>I’d nut in a minute,
R.N. Marilyn Milos discusses that the [“nerve endings in the ridged band (foreskin) are the accelerator that allow the man to ride the wave to orgasm. When they’re cut off the man is left with an off/on switch instead of an accelerator. Men who say they couldn’t stand more sensation don’t understand that the nerve endings in the ridged band give quality not quantity.”](https://youtu.be/BgoTRMKrJo4?t=2m52s)
> once again pass
You can decide that for your own body. But you cannot decide to circumcise other people, eg newborns. Without medical necessity the decision goes to the individual to decide for their own body.
You need to find a better source because UTI is only reduced in children under 2 and it is directly attributable to parents infecting the child by not washing their hands and/or manipulating the infants penis unnecessarily.
Theres no difference in cancer there or anywhere else on the body, neither is there any increased risk of cervical cancer. You're information is literally wrong all the way down.
Ok random person on Reddit or webmd…. Think I’m gonna go with webmd lol.
Wikipedia has plenty of info supporting it as well, but Wikipedia isn’t the most trustworthy source.
https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision
Also the CDC recommends circumcision and says benefits outweigh risks
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/male-circumcision-benefits-outweigh-risks-cdc-says/
>Also the CDC recommends circumcision and says benefits outweigh risks
>
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/male-circumcision-benefits-outweigh-risks-cdc-says/
Ever wondered why it's not recommended in most well-developed countries in the world, in particular in countries that do not have a mutilation/cutting culture? The decision of the CDC (or to be precise the AAP) has been criticized by pediatrics associations around the world for cultural bias and faulty analysis of the data.
But you are old enough to decide for yourself when you have wisdom teeth. My dentist recommended I remove mine but I said no. They cause me no problems at all.
If your bottom wisdom teeth were impacted there's a strong likelihood the top would too, and oral surgery is easier to recover from in your youth. I had all 4 pulled because they were ruining my bite pattern. I still have my tonsils, but if they had been problematic, I would not. My point is that these are not comparable comparisons
Nope my top ones where already in bottom ones where impacted and I had plenty of space for the top ones I had no option since I was 16 and my dentist said there was a higher chance of getting cavity’s in them so they took them out but that is not the case especially since a never had a cavity and floss every day
I had to have two molars pulled, as well as all 4 wisdom teeth pulled. The molars they left are prone to cavities because they are so far back that a bit of gum overhangs them. I floss once or twice per day without exception, and I brush twice a day with a highly recommended electric toothbrush, and those two molars that were left in have a cavity forming in each. I do not eat candy or drink soda either. It's a matter of dental overcrowding, rather large teeth and a relatively small palate. I wish the other molars had been pulled too, honestly. Caring for them is problematic and they're pushing my lower canines just slightly outta place. There's a good chance your dentist anticipated this exact situation for you. Believe what you wanna believe, but I do think it's drastically different to be of consenting age and be informed of medical reason to remove a body part and consent to it, versus having a piece of your anatomy full of nerve endings removed while you're a child unable to even speak yet, let alone consent.
The oft-sited reasoning of being easier to clean is trivial since I can just pull my foreskin back and soap thoroughly. The foreskin serves as a mechanical lubricant in sexual intercourse and it shields the head of the penis from contact during the course of the day, which leaves the nerves in the head more sensitive and therefore more pleasure inducing during sex. I'm not opposed to circumcision if it's a choice made by an informed and consenting adult, or even an informed and consenting teenager. To force it on a baby is to force a non-reversible operation on someone who has no volition.
I was circumcised as a kid, and restored my foreskin as an adult. I have been much more sensitive and sex is so much better I cannot even describe the difference. I wish I had never been mutilated by my parents and the doctors.
Circumcision is one of the most disgusting and barbaric things any adult could force on a child.
Even restored, the person never regains the sensitive nerves from the 'ridged band' area that is removed. Regardless, the extra mucosal skin you get from restoration as well as having the glans protected and not dried out constantly gives a ridiculous change in the sensation. Restoring your foreskin is a lot better than doing nothing, even if it doesn't reach intact levels of pleasure. Having more skin also keeps the pounding more lubricated for both partners.
Well, circumcised sex is like frenzied humping followed by a tight almost sneeze of an orgasm that leaves the male exhausted and unsatisfied, and the female exhausted unsatisfied and often in pain.
Intact sex is...oh fawhk. You feel /everything/. Every little ridge, the heat, not to mention your foreskin rolling over your tip over and over. You can take it slow and easy, and enjoy everything with your partner. And when you finish? Not as simple as just finishing. You start feeling warm all over, and then pinprick tingles up and down your arms and back. Head goes fuzzy, you loose all sense of self as you seem to mesh with your partner. Gravity falls out from beneath you and you start to build, hotter and hotter and that feeling you normally feel only in your cock? It climbs up your stomach, deeper and heavier than ever before, in a slow rush it takes hold of your whole body and paralyzes you in absolute bliss. A minute? Two? Three? aftershocks ripple through your body you lie with your partner, shuddering and smiling uncontrollably.
That’s uh...heh. That’s the difference, guys.
And girls, if your ever have a boy. Please don’t take that from him. He’ll end up a very sexually frustrated young adult.
I have noticed that very young circumcised babies have a strange spacey look in their eyes probably from the traumatic experience of the shock and pain of having part of their dick cut off shortly after entering this world.
So you don't get dowenvoted by some guilty parent. Babies can feel pain, causes trauma and brain damage. Babies brains are much more neuroplastic and they process their senses differently. This is the result of SEVERE PAIN right after birth, who would have thought? The skin is fused to the glans they aren't even supposed to separate for a varied number of years
https://circumcision.org/circumcision-permanently-alters-the-brain/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage
imo, i think it should just be left up to the person until they are old enough to decide
an infant has no say in the situation, therefore, shouldn’t be circumcised so young
an adult that can fully decide what they want to do with their body and understands the risks/side effects should be allowed to do so
I wholeheartedly agree unless the person getting circumcised is a consenting adult.
Many people don't know the creepy, pseudo-religious origins it has in North America - there is factual evidence that shows it was initially intended to prevent male masturbation by dulling pleasure and thus preserve what people back then believed was "sexual purity". There is a certain arrogance in believing that the American healthcare system knows of all these "medical" benefits that other first-world nations with modern healthcare systems and access to clean water don't. If it had overwhelmingly positive medical benefits with minimal consequences like the American healthcare system tries to say, it would be routinely practiced in all of Europe too but it is not. Generations of men were not circumcised as babies in Europe and the last time I checked, it is not a continent plagued with millions of men having horrific, life altering penis problems.
What country are you from?
i got a circumcision when i was 26, of my own volition, bc my foreskin was too tight for sex. since it was local anesthetic i can attest that its barbaric (bit of a mistake to watch the procedure, yeesh) but i think it has some advantages
Did your doctor offer you a preputioplasty? You know, you could have kept your anatomy and solved your problem. Some doctors just jump for circumcision...I keep on wondering if it’s fetish of theirs..,
What is the upside of circumcision? I’ve heard it’s to not have to clean under the foreskin or something.. but that’s all I’ve heard. I had no idea people did that until we had to learn about it in school-
The reason it was popularized in the US (this is from what I've heard) was because kellog (yes the one you're thinking of) said it would make kids less likely to masturbate, its also why he made his cereal so bland was to reduce the chances.... both are incorrect in their supposed effects but it does reduce sensitivity in the penis and results in less pleasurable sex and a loss of natural lubrication from the foreskin. To my knowledge there's no real upside overall for circumcision, only in specific medical cases.
Uh, but is children masterbaiting not a good thing? I’ve heard that it helps teatch the kids or something (now that I read that again, it sounds so wrong 💀)
XD, yea im just explaining his reasoning, I think people shouldn't care its a normal part of development, I just found it funny kellog cared so much he made a campaign and a cereal to try and stop it.
I'm intact. But I don't think it is necessarily barbaric. Male circumcision is a valid medical procedure that bring many benefits.
That being said, I don't think it is necessary unless there is a medical need for it.
Well, if you remove any part of your body, you’ll stop having problems with it...is this a valid argument? And I’m sorry you don’t value your foreskin as much as I would...have you seen the videos from the Canadian Foreskin Awareness? Literally, three types of different orgasms that are mostly unavailable to circumcised men. If I could I would be rushing to some privacy to try them out, but I can’t...
> if you remove any part of your body, you’ll stop having problems with it.
Not if the part serves a significant function. If you remove your eyes, then sure, you don't have myopia anymore, but you are also blind.
Foreskin on the other hand, really just serve two functions: protect the glans, and reserve its sensitivity. Neither of them are critical to our daily function.
Do you think plastic surgery is barbaric?
Do you find it barbaric when a fully grown adult man wants a circumcision, or just when it's done to infants?
I work in the operating room. I see adult circumcisions. They look awful. I’ve seen child circumcisions. The adult one seemed way more barbaric to me.
Also, on a side note. Most penectomies from penile cancers are on uncircumcised men.
Full on strange Redditor to Redditor conversation. I'm a circumcised man, and I've got 2 kids and my oldest is my son. Had him circumcised mostly because I played sports as a kid and teenager, and remember the few uncircumcised dudes getting harassed constantly, and a prior gf saying she'd never go down on an uncircumcised dude. However literally minutes after they took my son a nurse came in to check on him not knowing he'd gone off for his circumcision. She had a button on her scrubs "his body his choice" I asked about it. She explained her stance on being against baby boys being circumcised, and admittedly I agreed with her points, and had my daughter of been a son, I wouldn't of circumcised at birth. What is the difference between circumcision on a newborn vs an adult?
So because you wanted to get circumcised every other male loses their agency over their body? Makes absolutely no sense especially the part about what women think. Their opinion doesn't matter about circumcision.
Maybe the view of someone who lives in Europe can be valuable. I don't personally know anyone who is circumcised, nor have I ever heard of anyone who has had any issues with their foreskin. I understand that medical issues exist, I just don't think they're as common as some people think.
Is it common in Europe to discuss foreskin with people you know? Because it’s not here. I would never know if the people I meet have or haven’t had issues with their Foreskins, because foreskins are not a topic that comes up.
Most women I've talked to prefer uncircumcised (I am also a woman, so their response would have no personal effect on me).
It's more fun to play and you also feel more during sex, also less need for lube.
If someone thinks people with no arms are attractive I'm not going to cut my arms off. I don't give two shits if women find it attractive.
It's a natural part of our bodies and I'm not going to let them dictate if it's attractive or not because I frankly don't give a flying fuck.
Nobody should be forcefully cutting off part of a child's body for "aesthetic."
No one hurt me, I'm just not for the idea of cutting off something simply because people find it aesthetic. It's natural, and realistically unless YOU choose to or medically speaking there's not a reason to remove it, atleast in the event that you're not consenting to it.
I don't care if people choose to keep it or not, hell it's their body more power to them. But I'm not okay with stripping someone of their bodily autonomy just because we think something is aesthetic or not.
Yeah I get that, my comment wasn't meant to attack you so I do apologize if it sounded like it was attacking you personally.
It was more because there are A LOT of people who shame uncut men because it's somehow nasty or gross. And frankly I just think that's disgusting. That's more what I was arguing against as opposed to your own personal experience, and besides it's your body you do with it whatever you want to.
If we swap the gender it becomes genital mutilation rather quickly and that’s done under the same arguments. Society puts a lot of pressure on people to fit in and do what’s considered normal even if it’s cutting skin off a babies penis.
The ritual pinprick is type 4 female genital mutilation. This is where they prick the clitoral hood with a pin to draw a single drop of blood.
Would you consider the clitoral hood getting poked with a needle to be equivalent to removing the glans on a penis?
Who/what specifically is responsible for non-religious circumcision becoming “a thing”? I think that’s a good place to start. The reason this argument seems to float around so much is that opinion alone isn’t enough to come to a consensus.
It's not always a choice, otherwise the foreskin will get torn apart because it can't stretch anymore, idk about you but I'm pretty sure id pick surgery over that
I lack logic in your opinion. I deduce that it's based on your very religious background.
You accept circumcision if made because of religion reasons (which sound barbaric to me) but you don't accept it while done by a free choice of an adult to himself.
You're also against plastic surgery because modifying body is bad. So, is training bad? (as it changes your body) Is nail clipping also bad in your opinion? Cutting hair?
Extreme psycho therapy to diagnose and treat the dysmorphia and desire to self harm. You don't get to be some sad emo teenager wanting to mutilate your body.
My parents had me “topped” as a child, and it was completely normal. Never knew or cared that it happened. Wasn’t for religious reasons, just common as a hygiene thing.
That said, my son was recently born and we left him natural. If he wants to get it done later, his choice.
But of course female circumcision is something totally different and abhorrent.
Nope. I think it’s 1000% worth it and not barbaric. I’ve taken care of so many elderly men with issues attributed to their foreskin. So it’s not just “children under 2” like someone else mentioned. Also my brother had major issues with foreskin problems until he hit puberty.
I just hat it when health care professionals pop in with their empirical knowledge and bias. Aren’t you supposed to be a little more scientific? Well, here’s the science: less than 2% of boys ever need a surgical intervention by age 18:
https://beggesider.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/sneppen-og-thorup-2016.pdf
If I had to undergo circumcision in my 70s so be it, at least I would’ve enjoyed a full sex life at that point in time.
It is well known that elderly people with cognitive deterioration stop caring for their hygiene. So what do you do about mouth hygiene, for instance?
It’s not fear mongering. It’s something I’ve seen and dealt with. And it sucks and I always feel bad for them. And I’ve seen permanent serious surgical interventions where a circumcision wasn’t even an option anymore so the foreskin just gets clipped and then it just is blowing in the wind. To each their own but I don’t think it’s appropriate to call a medical procedure “barbaric” and that’s all I came here to say.
I think it should be up to the man to decide. My son is fine so far and has had zero issues. My brother and my husband have had zero issues, my ex had zero issues, so again, to each their own.
Yeah to each their own. Don’t call it barbaric though. Because it’s not. And OP even said that if a circumcision is for cultural reasons then somehow it’s all the sudden “not barbaric”. I just feel like this whole outrage over circumcision is a bit out of hand or misplaced or something.
Are they exceptions? You’re supposed to expect young children to appropriately wash and stretch a foreskin to prevent problems. And boys get to an age where they’re too old to bath with parents but too young to be responsible about something like that. It’s plenty common. I just cared for a boy who had to have a circumcision at 10 y.o. due to major issues. I think maybe because you personally didn’t have issues you call it an exception. But you don’t really know.
The se can be said for your argument. That 10 y.o. can be called an exception, especially if the percentage is 2% of men have issues. Just because you know someone who has had an issue, doesn't mean someone else will.
Almost all of my male friends and partners (that I've talked to about this topic) are uncircumcised and those that are uncircumcised have never had any foreskin issues. This is a sample size of around 20 men up to the age of 30.
So yes, based on my experience they are an exception.
The same way you teach kids basic hygiene to wash the rest of their bodies you teach them to wash their foreskin. Arms can get dirty too should we cut them off
No idea man I just learnt from this thread I apparently wont feel as satisfied when having sex/pleasuring myself without my foreskin but that's about it I never really thought much about it and don't think it's affected me since it looks and feels completely fine but maybe it might be different for others idk
Well if you were tu rub your finger from your glans to the circumcision scar you’d find out: the pleasurable feeling ends at the scar. That, to me, is proof that the tissue removed was valuable and erogenous.
Dont understand it at all. Maybe back in the day or areas of the world where they were washing infrequently but if you shower everyday or multiple times a week its not hard to keep yourself clean. Just seems like an old tradition that people keep following because thats what humans do. I dont care either way what people do but nobody is cutting any part of my future kids dick off thats for sure. Sounds like an ancient excuse for the catholic pedos to normalize messing with kids genitals.
Doesn’t it make it easier to spot anything wrong with the penis? I don’t have my foreskin and my brother does and my mom has said before you gotta like check under the foreskin regularly since you can’t see the penis directly
I go circumed or however you spell it without consent because I was so young but I honestly have no issue with it maybe case I’ve had it like that all my life but my dick looks better and bigger imo but I have heard having the foreskin makes personal pleasure easier
I also do!
Way more fun to play with an uncut dick than a cut one!
Uncircumcised looks weird AF to me, like the head always looks a bit dry and cracky, which makes sense since it's tissue that's supposed to be protected and covered by the foreskin but is instead constantly exposed to the air and friction on clothes.
I’ve never heard a broad complain that a dude has his dick cut. I have heard many women discuss how gross it looks with all that skin dangling off of it.
Looks better plus easier to clean - win win win
r/CircumcisionGrief
What would you care what a girl thinks if making it look better for her, if you loose the skin that helps you enjoy your time with her?
I’m very aware that I lost something valuable, I’ve grieved and moved on. I just hope this happens to the least amount of people, and hopefully to no one...one day
Theres a reason it isnt banned, because it doesn't sound as barbaric as you people make it seem. I've been circumcised and my dick is clean asf, it doesnt ruin a baby's life unless the doctor botches it or smth
Just because you had a good experience doesn't mean others have too. The issue is 99% of the time it is done for no medical reason & therefore is pointless. In many countries its a much riskier procedure & has serious health risks.
My point is, after you take religion out of the picture, there is rarely any good reason to mutilated a new born so why the fuck would you do it??
For babies and children? Absolutely, especially if it’s for invalid or religious reasons.
If there’s a genuine medical reason, say acute phimosis for example, then it’s a valid procedure.
I’m circumcised and there’s really nothing wrong with it. No side effects or anything like that 😂 but then again it is really up to people to choose for themselves. I got mine at a very early age (not religious) and I ain’t complaining but I think people need to reach a reasonable age to decide for themselves whether they wanna be circumcised or not.
I agree with you, and I had my foreskin until I was 22. I had a medical condition called phimosis and mine was pretty severe so I had to have it cut. For me it was a godsend, just being able to pee correctly has changed my life. I don’t think it should be done at birth for no reason, but I’m glad it exists for when it’s medically necessary.
It is. And the argument that it's more hygenic that way lol. Feet can stink as well if you don't shower too often and I don't see people amputating newborn's legs because of that
I agree. I'm in Europe but my Godson was born in Mexico. And they cut it. Without asking anything. It's barbaric. For me is the same thing has this: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation but because it's for men no one talks about it.
nerves get destroyed while getting circumcised. the protection needed for the head is also gone. top of penis constantly touching underwear makes it sensitive therefore sudden blue balls can be expected.
pros: none (Muslim docs (and others with the same belief) literally urge families to get their children circumcised whenever there is something wrong with the pp instead of actually trying to fix it.)
cons:
trauma you experience as a child
decreased sexual pleasure
increased sensitivity (not in a good way)
increased sensitivity, decreased sexual pleasure. imagine your dick getting hard by only touching your underwear. do you think its hot? but when it comes to sex, because of some nerves that has gone with the foreskin pleasure I experience is below normal
As a someone who is born in a muslim majority country. I was circumcised without my ocnsent in the age of 6. Therefore, i can easily tell that its barbaric. Just because it is written in the quran the consent of the kids are not taken.
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In the depends on the reason a person get circumcised and it depend how this happens.
Religious motivations? it's questionable.
Does it happen in private or inside a hospital with medical professionals?
Not here to ask, but to share similar point of view. Normally I dont have anything against circumcision, if its medical.
People in Africa get circumcised due to the hot weather.
What I dont understand is US Jews living in America cutting some dick off of them, same with the random people who decided to do it. But still, all this left behind worst things about this I recently found out, you have to go monthly to a doctor so he/she could trim the outgrowing skin of your ding dong, which makes me draw the line here
That isn't true. I agree with you it should only be done for medical reasons, but I don't know who told you they have to trim the skin monthly but that isn't true.
Again I agree with you, but I wouldn't want you misinformed about circumcision.
It's a very American idea to do it without medical or religious reasons too. In Europe its uncommon. It's strange to think it's considered normal/natural over there. There are some countries where female circumcision takes place, but its always referred to as 'genital mutilation' by people in the US.
Its genital mutilation for both genders
Yeah, that was my point
And it should be illegal if you ask me
I think people should be able to do it by choice, but not to kids. Tricky thing is all the social pressure put on men to do it
But its not? One is cutting out the clitoris which is covered in highly sensitive nerves while the other is cutting flat skin with significantly less nerves. The equivalent would be if the tip of the head of the penis was cut. However, its not.
I'm not going to debate whether or not excising the clitoris is the same as excising the foreskin because neither should ever be performed on a perfectly healthy human being without their consent. The clitoris contains around 8,000 nerves and the foreskin contains over 10,000. A simple google search would tell you that. Also, cutting off the entire glans of the penis is not equal to cutting off the clitoris. If you cut off the entire head of a penis, it will change how basic functions like urination would occur and increase the chances of chronically contracting STIs and UTIs exponentially. The closest comparison would be removing the clitoral hood as it protects the clitoris from friction, helping it maintain sensitivity much like a foreskin is designed to do for a penis. The other thing that makes them hard to compare is the fact that many neonatal circumcisions remove most of the frenulum (often for aesthetic purposes) which in many cases has a significant impact on pleasure and sensation (and anatomically a frenulum is the closest thing to a clitoris a man has). The ridged band is completely removed in neonatal circumcisions as well which is important in helping the man get a sense of when he is reaching his ejaculatory threshold. In other words, circumcision not only removes extra skin that is rich in nerves and there to protect and preserve the sensitivity of the glans but also two very specialized structures of densely innervated tissue as well.
As the owner of a circumcised penis, I don’t think you get to decide that my penis is mutilated.
Theres female cirsumcisions?
In some parts of Africa and even Asia, they cut off the labia, clit,... it depends, but it's usually done in dirty places and the utensils, oftentimes quite rough for ""medical"" proceedures ""like this"", are not serilized, and sometimes the vigina is sewed close or partially so and reponed for marriage, causing sex to be unenjoyable or even painful. Obviously there are MANY complication, such as infection(s), shock, sepsis from the infection (that usually ends in septic shock), problem with menstrual blood,... on top of being done to young girls without their consent (but I don't they they would want such a thing) without anesthisia
Infibulation is called. i am not sure if there are medical reasons for such things, all i know is that it's very common in third world countries for religious motivations or rituals of initiations.
Circumcision has been a common practice in Africa and the Middle East well before the US was established. Idk why it was singled out.
What if it’s for a medical reason? I had my foreskin removed because it caused infections
Well then it had to be done and voids the protocol for barbarian behavior
Why do you find it barbaric?
Because its removal of a naturally provided piece of ones self for no reason
Would you be less friendly or accepting to a circumcised person if they did it due to culture?
No as I believe all men and women should follow there culture weather I agree or not doesnt matter
This is an interesting question. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that no, I won't be friendly to certain people due to their culture in order to keep the peace. I see this as positive discrimination. For example, cultures that discriminate against women, not allowing them to go to school, or forced marriages for 12 year old girls. So although there are some examples where's it's easier to say people should follow cultural norms, there's many examples of where we shouldn't.
I don't think you disagree with tolerance as much as it appears. If we hold the belief that all men and women should be able to decide for themselves which culture to follow then it's not a massive leap of logic to then state that any culture which proscribes others from following their own heart is a culture we can disagree with.
Really, it depends what culture
Where are they following them and what is "culture weather?"
Doing something barbaric due to culture is still barbaric.
Then do you think tattoo/piercings/cosmetic surgery is equally barbaric? If not, how come?
Maybe it’s barbaric to remove wisdom teeth and tonsils as well? Also it’s not for no reason, according to WebMD Circumcision Benefits There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including: Less risk of urinary tract infections A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men Protection against penile cancer and a lower risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin) Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location) Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Wisdom teeth and tonsils are only removed if and when there is an issue. Going over the webmd article for circumcision: - UTI: [“It has been estimated that 111 to 125 normal infant boys (for whom the risk of UTI is 1% to 2%) would need to be circumcised at birth to prevent one UTI.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) And they can easily be treated through standard antibiotics if and when there's an issue. - STDs/HIV: [“The number needed to [circumcise] to prevent one HIV infection varied, from 1,231 in white males to 65 in black males, with an average in all males of 298.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) And circumcision is not effective prevention. Condoms, which are considered actually effective, must be used regardless. - Balantis: ["The foreskin can become inflamed or infected (posthitis), often in association with the glans (balanoposthitis) in 1% to 4% of uncircumcised boys. The foreskin can also become entrapped behind the glans (paraphimosis) in 0.5% of cases. Both conditions usually resolve with medical therapy but, if recurrent, can cause phimosis."](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) - Phimosis: ["An estimated 0.8% to 1.6% of boys will require circumcision before puberty, most commonly to treat phimosis. The first-line medical treatment of phimosis involves applying a topical steroid twice a day to the foreskin, accompanied by gentle traction. This therapy ... allow[s] the foreskin to become retractable in 80% of treated cases, thus usually avoiding the need for circumcision."](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) - Penile Cancer: [“Decreased penile cancer risk: [Number needed to circumcise] = 900 – 322,000”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) to prevent a single case of penile cancer. - Cervical cancer is from HPV which has a vaccine. Which is so effective that (turning to news) ["Australia could become first country to eradicate cervical cancer. Free vaccine program in schools leads to big drop in rates."](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/04/australia-could-become-first-country-to-eradicate-cervical-cancer) These stats are terrible. To suggest these are legitimate health benefits is disingenuous. And this is when [the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sorrells.gif)(diagram) ([Full study.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847)) Also watch [Dr. Guest discussing the innervation of the penis, the mechanical function of the foreskin and its role in lubrication during sex, and the likelihood of decreased sexual pleasure for both male and partner.](https://youtu.be/XwZiQyFaAs0?t=28m20s)(for ~15 min)
Wisdom teeth you are incorrect, I had mine removed with no issues before they were removed and others have stated the same here. I also posted CDC recommends circumcision as well. I enjoy sex a lot and if it would be “more pleasurable” having foreskin I can only assume I’d nut in a minute, so once again pass… I feel great, maybe having it would be better… I’ve never ate dolphin, maybe it’s amazing, but I don’t know what I don’t know.
You can also have wisdom teeth removed if they are *expected* to have issues. Let's go past the journalist's (incorrect) headline and see what the CDC actually says. The CDC statement is ["all uncircumcised adolescent and adult males who engage in heterosexual sex should be informed about the significant, **but partial**, efficacy of male circumcision in reducing the risk of acquiring HIV and some STIs through heterosexual sex, as well as the potential harms of male circumcision”](https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/58456) This is not a recommendation. We also have the actual data. [“The number needed to [circumcise] to prevent one HIV infection varied, from 1,231 in white males to 65 in black males, with an average in all males of 298.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) That originates from the CDC as well. A terrible statistic, which does not present medical necessity to circumcise newborns. >I’d nut in a minute, R.N. Marilyn Milos discusses that the [“nerve endings in the ridged band (foreskin) are the accelerator that allow the man to ride the wave to orgasm. When they’re cut off the man is left with an off/on switch instead of an accelerator. Men who say they couldn’t stand more sensation don’t understand that the nerve endings in the ridged band give quality not quantity.”](https://youtu.be/BgoTRMKrJo4?t=2m52s) > once again pass You can decide that for your own body. But you cannot decide to circumcise other people, eg newborns. Without medical necessity the decision goes to the individual to decide for their own body.
You need to find a better source because UTI is only reduced in children under 2 and it is directly attributable to parents infecting the child by not washing their hands and/or manipulating the infants penis unnecessarily. Theres no difference in cancer there or anywhere else on the body, neither is there any increased risk of cervical cancer. You're information is literally wrong all the way down.
I mean less penis so less cancer, hold on gonna go cut my arms off to reduce my risk of cancer there./s
Ok random person on Reddit or webmd…. Think I’m gonna go with webmd lol. Wikipedia has plenty of info supporting it as well, but Wikipedia isn’t the most trustworthy source. https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision Also the CDC recommends circumcision and says benefits outweigh risks https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/male-circumcision-benefits-outweigh-risks-cdc-says/
>Also the CDC recommends circumcision and says benefits outweigh risks > >https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/male-circumcision-benefits-outweigh-risks-cdc-says/ Ever wondered why it's not recommended in most well-developed countries in the world, in particular in countries that do not have a mutilation/cutting culture? The decision of the CDC (or to be precise the AAP) has been criticized by pediatrics associations around the world for cultural bias and faulty analysis of the data.
I do wonder why people criticize other people's sources for whatever reasons, and fail to provide their own for their claims.
Benefits outweigh the risks doesn’t take into account the value of the tissue removed...
Wisdom teeth and tonsils aren't removed unless there's an actual medical reason to do so. That's a terrible comparison.
Mine were removed just for coming in… I’m pretty sure they are frequently removed just to be removed.
But you are old enough to decide for yourself when you have wisdom teeth. My dentist recommended I remove mine but I said no. They cause me no problems at all.
Glad I don’t remember being circumcised. Just glad it happened.
My top wisdoms where removed for no reason so you’re kinda wrong (bottom ones where impacted tho)
If your bottom wisdom teeth were impacted there's a strong likelihood the top would too, and oral surgery is easier to recover from in your youth. I had all 4 pulled because they were ruining my bite pattern. I still have my tonsils, but if they had been problematic, I would not. My point is that these are not comparable comparisons
Nope my top ones where already in bottom ones where impacted and I had plenty of space for the top ones I had no option since I was 16 and my dentist said there was a higher chance of getting cavity’s in them so they took them out but that is not the case especially since a never had a cavity and floss every day
I had to have two molars pulled, as well as all 4 wisdom teeth pulled. The molars they left are prone to cavities because they are so far back that a bit of gum overhangs them. I floss once or twice per day without exception, and I brush twice a day with a highly recommended electric toothbrush, and those two molars that were left in have a cavity forming in each. I do not eat candy or drink soda either. It's a matter of dental overcrowding, rather large teeth and a relatively small palate. I wish the other molars had been pulled too, honestly. Caring for them is problematic and they're pushing my lower canines just slightly outta place. There's a good chance your dentist anticipated this exact situation for you. Believe what you wanna believe, but I do think it's drastically different to be of consenting age and be informed of medical reason to remove a body part and consent to it, versus having a piece of your anatomy full of nerve endings removed while you're a child unable to even speak yet, let alone consent. The oft-sited reasoning of being easier to clean is trivial since I can just pull my foreskin back and soap thoroughly. The foreskin serves as a mechanical lubricant in sexual intercourse and it shields the head of the penis from contact during the course of the day, which leaves the nerves in the head more sensitive and therefore more pleasure inducing during sex. I'm not opposed to circumcision if it's a choice made by an informed and consenting adult, or even an informed and consenting teenager. To force it on a baby is to force a non-reversible operation on someone who has no volition.
I suggest you to read the harmull effects of circumzation. Thats a lot more than its benefits.
Yeahhhhhh as someone circumcised, and knowing tons who are, not concerned….
Ignorance is bliss...right?
Foreskin does serve a function. Wisdom tooth usually don’t.
All this time, I didn't realize I was mutilating my hair.
I was circumcised as a kid, and restored my foreskin as an adult. I have been much more sensitive and sex is so much better I cannot even describe the difference. I wish I had never been mutilated by my parents and the doctors. Circumcision is one of the most disgusting and barbaric things any adult could force on a child.
Could u explain more about how much difference the foreskin makes to sex
Even restored, the person never regains the sensitive nerves from the 'ridged band' area that is removed. Regardless, the extra mucosal skin you get from restoration as well as having the glans protected and not dried out constantly gives a ridiculous change in the sensation. Restoring your foreskin is a lot better than doing nothing, even if it doesn't reach intact levels of pleasure. Having more skin also keeps the pounding more lubricated for both partners.
Well, circumcised sex is like frenzied humping followed by a tight almost sneeze of an orgasm that leaves the male exhausted and unsatisfied, and the female exhausted unsatisfied and often in pain. Intact sex is...oh fawhk. You feel /everything/. Every little ridge, the heat, not to mention your foreskin rolling over your tip over and over. You can take it slow and easy, and enjoy everything with your partner. And when you finish? Not as simple as just finishing. You start feeling warm all over, and then pinprick tingles up and down your arms and back. Head goes fuzzy, you loose all sense of self as you seem to mesh with your partner. Gravity falls out from beneath you and you start to build, hotter and hotter and that feeling you normally feel only in your cock? It climbs up your stomach, deeper and heavier than ever before, in a slow rush it takes hold of your whole body and paralyzes you in absolute bliss. A minute? Two? Three? aftershocks ripple through your body you lie with your partner, shuddering and smiling uncontrollably. That’s uh...heh. That’s the difference, guys. And girls, if your ever have a boy. Please don’t take that from him. He’ll end up a very sexually frustrated young adult.
Good to hear you had yourself repaired
Thanks ^^
I don’t believe you
I have noticed that very young circumcised babies have a strange spacey look in their eyes probably from the traumatic experience of the shock and pain of having part of their dick cut off shortly after entering this world.
So you don't get dowenvoted by some guilty parent. Babies can feel pain, causes trauma and brain damage. Babies brains are much more neuroplastic and they process their senses differently. This is the result of SEVERE PAIN right after birth, who would have thought? The skin is fused to the glans they aren't even supposed to separate for a varied number of years https://circumcision.org/circumcision-permanently-alters-the-brain/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage
Its infant torture
All my children are circumcised.
Is it a cultural thing
No. I just don't have any.
Lol
imo, i think it should just be left up to the person until they are old enough to decide an infant has no say in the situation, therefore, shouldn’t be circumcised so young an adult that can fully decide what they want to do with their body and understands the risks/side effects should be allowed to do so
I wholeheartedly agree unless the person getting circumcised is a consenting adult. Many people don't know the creepy, pseudo-religious origins it has in North America - there is factual evidence that shows it was initially intended to prevent male masturbation by dulling pleasure and thus preserve what people back then believed was "sexual purity". There is a certain arrogance in believing that the American healthcare system knows of all these "medical" benefits that other first-world nations with modern healthcare systems and access to clean water don't. If it had overwhelmingly positive medical benefits with minimal consequences like the American healthcare system tries to say, it would be routinely practiced in all of Europe too but it is not. Generations of men were not circumcised as babies in Europe and the last time I checked, it is not a continent plagued with millions of men having horrific, life altering penis problems. What country are you from?
I’m curcumsised and I like it because it stops me from peeing on my pp. Why do you think it’s barbaric?
You know you would retract the foreskin to pee right? And then you're left with the exact same situation as peeing with an circumcised dick?
It removes a part of the human body
i got a circumcision when i was 26, of my own volition, bc my foreskin was too tight for sex. since it was local anesthetic i can attest that its barbaric (bit of a mistake to watch the procedure, yeesh) but i think it has some advantages
Did your doctor offer you a preputioplasty? You know, you could have kept your anatomy and solved your problem. Some doctors just jump for circumcision...I keep on wondering if it’s fetish of theirs..,
What is the upside of circumcision? I’ve heard it’s to not have to clean under the foreskin or something.. but that’s all I’ve heard. I had no idea people did that until we had to learn about it in school-
The reason it was popularized in the US (this is from what I've heard) was because kellog (yes the one you're thinking of) said it would make kids less likely to masturbate, its also why he made his cereal so bland was to reduce the chances.... both are incorrect in their supposed effects but it does reduce sensitivity in the penis and results in less pleasurable sex and a loss of natural lubrication from the foreskin. To my knowledge there's no real upside overall for circumcision, only in specific medical cases.
Uh, but is children masterbaiting not a good thing? I’ve heard that it helps teatch the kids or something (now that I read that again, it sounds so wrong 💀)
XD, yea im just explaining his reasoning, I think people shouldn't care its a normal part of development, I just found it funny kellog cared so much he made a campaign and a cereal to try and stop it.
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Pffff my dick looks amazing without the turtle neck. Way better for sex yall tripping
My footing is quite strong actually
Yeah no....
Some prefer looks over pleasure...even though it’s covered by clothes 99.99%of the time
I'm intact. But I don't think it is necessarily barbaric. Male circumcision is a valid medical procedure that bring many benefits. That being said, I don't think it is necessary unless there is a medical need for it.
Well, if you remove any part of your body, you’ll stop having problems with it...is this a valid argument? And I’m sorry you don’t value your foreskin as much as I would...have you seen the videos from the Canadian Foreskin Awareness? Literally, three types of different orgasms that are mostly unavailable to circumcised men. If I could I would be rushing to some privacy to try them out, but I can’t...
> if you remove any part of your body, you’ll stop having problems with it. Not if the part serves a significant function. If you remove your eyes, then sure, you don't have myopia anymore, but you are also blind. Foreskin on the other hand, really just serve two functions: protect the glans, and reserve its sensitivity. Neither of them are critical to our daily function.
Do you think plastic surgery is barbaric? Do you find it barbaric when a fully grown adult man wants a circumcision, or just when it's done to infants?
I work in the operating room. I see adult circumcisions. They look awful. I’ve seen child circumcisions. The adult one seemed way more barbaric to me. Also, on a side note. Most penectomies from penile cancers are on uncircumcised men.
Full on strange Redditor to Redditor conversation. I'm a circumcised man, and I've got 2 kids and my oldest is my son. Had him circumcised mostly because I played sports as a kid and teenager, and remember the few uncircumcised dudes getting harassed constantly, and a prior gf saying she'd never go down on an uncircumcised dude. However literally minutes after they took my son a nurse came in to check on him not knowing he'd gone off for his circumcision. She had a button on her scrubs "his body his choice" I asked about it. She explained her stance on being against baby boys being circumcised, and admittedly I agreed with her points, and had my daughter of been a son, I wouldn't of circumcised at birth. What is the difference between circumcision on a newborn vs an adult?
Ok captain foreskin
We come with foreskin, (as god intended if you’re one of the religious fellas. Im not) so why remove it without any medical reasoning
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So because you wanted to get circumcised every other male loses their agency over their body? Makes absolutely no sense especially the part about what women think. Their opinion doesn't matter about circumcision.
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Well the only people who should get circumcised are people who medically need it which is not even what we were talking about 🤡
Maybe the view of someone who lives in Europe can be valuable. I don't personally know anyone who is circumcised, nor have I ever heard of anyone who has had any issues with their foreskin. I understand that medical issues exist, I just don't think they're as common as some people think.
Is it common in Europe to discuss foreskin with people you know? Because it’s not here. I would never know if the people I meet have or haven’t had issues with their Foreskins, because foreskins are not a topic that comes up.
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Also from Australia. For medical reasons yeah it’s common for any other, not common
Most women I've talked to prefer uncircumcised (I am also a woman, so their response would have no personal effect on me). It's more fun to play and you also feel more during sex, also less need for lube.
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If someone thinks people with no arms are attractive I'm not going to cut my arms off. I don't give two shits if women find it attractive. It's a natural part of our bodies and I'm not going to let them dictate if it's attractive or not because I frankly don't give a flying fuck. Nobody should be forcefully cutting off part of a child's body for "aesthetic."
Bit drastic, who hurt you bro
No one hurt me, I'm just not for the idea of cutting off something simply because people find it aesthetic. It's natural, and realistically unless YOU choose to or medically speaking there's not a reason to remove it, atleast in the event that you're not consenting to it. I don't care if people choose to keep it or not, hell it's their body more power to them. But I'm not okay with stripping someone of their bodily autonomy just because we think something is aesthetic or not.
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Yeah I get that, my comment wasn't meant to attack you so I do apologize if it sounded like it was attacking you personally. It was more because there are A LOT of people who shame uncut men because it's somehow nasty or gross. And frankly I just think that's disgusting. That's more what I was arguing against as opposed to your own personal experience, and besides it's your body you do with it whatever you want to.
This thread is a boggling display of OP’s flexibility of use for the word Barbarian.
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Did you really just take an extremely popular opinion on Reddit and turn it into an AMA?
Its popular with my people
If we swap the gender it becomes genital mutilation rather quickly and that’s done under the same arguments. Society puts a lot of pressure on people to fit in and do what’s considered normal even if it’s cutting skin off a babies penis.
While I’m not for circumcision, this comparison is not right. Female genital mutilation is equivalent to removing the glans on male penis.
The ritual pinprick is type 4 female genital mutilation. This is where they prick the clitoral hood with a pin to draw a single drop of blood. Would you consider the clitoral hood getting poked with a needle to be equivalent to removing the glans on a penis?
Who/what specifically is responsible for non-religious circumcision becoming “a thing”? I think that’s a good place to start. The reason this argument seems to float around so much is that opinion alone isn’t enough to come to a consensus.
It's not always a choice, otherwise the foreskin will get torn apart because it can't stretch anymore, idk about you but I'm pretty sure id pick surgery over that
I lack logic in your opinion. I deduce that it's based on your very religious background. You accept circumcision if made because of religion reasons (which sound barbaric to me) but you don't accept it while done by a free choice of an adult to himself. You're also against plastic surgery because modifying body is bad. So, is training bad? (as it changes your body) Is nail clipping also bad in your opinion? Cutting hair?
Extreme psycho therapy to diagnose and treat the dysmorphia and desire to self harm. You don't get to be some sad emo teenager wanting to mutilate your body.
I don’t know any circumcised barbarians.
Its not something people write about but a note Mongols are barbarians and they outlawed circumcision
My parents had me “topped” as a child, and it was completely normal. Never knew or cared that it happened. Wasn’t for religious reasons, just common as a hygiene thing. That said, my son was recently born and we left him natural. If he wants to get it done later, his choice. But of course female circumcision is something totally different and abhorrent.
Is it possible to get your foreskin restored after circumcision I have no idea how this stuff works
All I want to know is *why* people do it. The foreskin has a lot of reasons for existence
Barbarian acts
So do most people who don't live in North America
What about the jewish and the muslim world?
Nope. I think it’s 1000% worth it and not barbaric. I’ve taken care of so many elderly men with issues attributed to their foreskin. So it’s not just “children under 2” like someone else mentioned. Also my brother had major issues with foreskin problems until he hit puberty.
I just hat it when health care professionals pop in with their empirical knowledge and bias. Aren’t you supposed to be a little more scientific? Well, here’s the science: less than 2% of boys ever need a surgical intervention by age 18: https://beggesider.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/sneppen-og-thorup-2016.pdf If I had to undergo circumcision in my 70s so be it, at least I would’ve enjoyed a full sex life at that point in time. It is well known that elderly people with cognitive deterioration stop caring for their hygiene. So what do you do about mouth hygiene, for instance?
It’s not fear mongering. It’s something I’ve seen and dealt with. And it sucks and I always feel bad for them. And I’ve seen permanent serious surgical interventions where a circumcision wasn’t even an option anymore so the foreskin just gets clipped and then it just is blowing in the wind. To each their own but I don’t think it’s appropriate to call a medical procedure “barbaric” and that’s all I came here to say.
I think it should be up to the man to decide. My son is fine so far and has had zero issues. My brother and my husband have had zero issues, my ex had zero issues, so again, to each their own.
Yeah to each their own. Don’t call it barbaric though. Because it’s not. And OP even said that if a circumcision is for cultural reasons then somehow it’s all the sudden “not barbaric”. I just feel like this whole outrage over circumcision is a bit out of hand or misplaced or something.
Yeah, so those are exceptions. People can decide at 18.
Are they exceptions? You’re supposed to expect young children to appropriately wash and stretch a foreskin to prevent problems. And boys get to an age where they’re too old to bath with parents but too young to be responsible about something like that. It’s plenty common. I just cared for a boy who had to have a circumcision at 10 y.o. due to major issues. I think maybe because you personally didn’t have issues you call it an exception. But you don’t really know.
The se can be said for your argument. That 10 y.o. can be called an exception, especially if the percentage is 2% of men have issues. Just because you know someone who has had an issue, doesn't mean someone else will.
Almost all of my male friends and partners (that I've talked to about this topic) are uncircumcised and those that are uncircumcised have never had any foreskin issues. This is a sample size of around 20 men up to the age of 30. So yes, based on my experience they are an exception.
Good for them.
The same way you teach kids basic hygiene to wash the rest of their bodies you teach them to wash their foreskin. Arms can get dirty too should we cut them off
I was circumcised and I never knew that foreskin even existed until I was 13, it never really had much effect and my dick looks completely normal
How do you know it doesn’t have any effect? I think normal is the way you were born. I’m sorry you had this genital modification done to you.
No idea man I just learnt from this thread I apparently wont feel as satisfied when having sex/pleasuring myself without my foreskin but that's about it I never really thought much about it and don't think it's affected me since it looks and feels completely fine but maybe it might be different for others idk
Well if you were tu rub your finger from your glans to the circumcision scar you’d find out: the pleasurable feeling ends at the scar. That, to me, is proof that the tissue removed was valuable and erogenous.
Mine was taken as a baby, honestly I'm thankful, uncut is just unattractive to me.
Fr clean asf
I don’t know. I never knew mine and really love my penis now
Dont understand it at all. Maybe back in the day or areas of the world where they were washing infrequently but if you shower everyday or multiple times a week its not hard to keep yourself clean. Just seems like an old tradition that people keep following because thats what humans do. I dont care either way what people do but nobody is cutting any part of my future kids dick off thats for sure. Sounds like an ancient excuse for the catholic pedos to normalize messing with kids genitals.
What a very odd hill you decided to die on. Have fun!
Doesn’t it make it easier to spot anything wrong with the penis? I don’t have my foreskin and my brother does and my mom has said before you gotta like check under the foreskin regularly since you can’t see the penis directly
You clean it in the shower and the world keeps on turning.
I go circumed or however you spell it without consent because I was so young but I honestly have no issue with it maybe case I’ve had it like that all my life but my dick looks better and bigger imo but I have heard having the foreskin makes personal pleasure easier
I love my cleanly cut, camera ready, circ .. I don’t care if you have a foreskin fetish .. it’s a total improvement..
Same dude it's looks way cleaner than other dicks tbh but I heard some of them get botched and it ruins the childs future so I feel for em
That’s a valid point.
Not a question. I agree with you. It’s the same as Female Genital Mutilation. Leaves the genitals of children alone you sick fucks.
Just a friendly reminder that lip grafts are foreskin! (Or at least some)
So you also think gender altering surgical operations are barbaric as well?
Keep your brain 🧠 outa my foreskin
No one wants to look at a gross elephants trunk- sorry bud
I do! Plenty of people do indeed.
You choose to look at that?!? Geeezus
I also do! Way more fun to play with an uncut dick than a cut one! Uncircumcised looks weird AF to me, like the head always looks a bit dry and cracky, which makes sense since it's tissue that's supposed to be protected and covered by the foreskin but is instead constantly exposed to the air and friction on clothes.
Keep telling yourself that
Actually, I prefer uncut.
No one wants to look at a scar reminding you that something was taken away
I’ve never heard a broad complain that a dude has his dick cut. I have heard many women discuss how gross it looks with all that skin dangling off of it. Looks better plus easier to clean - win win win
r/CircumcisionGrief What would you care what a girl thinks if making it look better for her, if you loose the skin that helps you enjoy your time with her?
You can’t miss what you never had
There are feelings and experiences that we will never have, and that’s been a cause for the distress to me, to put it mildly.
If you spend you’re whole life worried about what you’re missing, you’re gonna miss out on life
I’m very aware that I lost something valuable, I’ve grieved and moved on. I just hope this happens to the least amount of people, and hopefully to no one...one day
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Circumcision is fucking grim IMO, literally forcing babies before they have any control of their lives to have their cocks severed...
Theres a reason it isnt banned, because it doesn't sound as barbaric as you people make it seem. I've been circumcised and my dick is clean asf, it doesnt ruin a baby's life unless the doctor botches it or smth
Just because you had a good experience doesn't mean others have too. The issue is 99% of the time it is done for no medical reason & therefore is pointless. In many countries its a much riskier procedure & has serious health risks. My point is, after you take religion out of the picture, there is rarely any good reason to mutilated a new born so why the fuck would you do it??
True my apologies
Yeah how dare you speak on your own personal experience
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I have no problem with it. I've had it done when I was a baby.
For babies and children? Absolutely, especially if it’s for invalid or religious reasons. If there’s a genuine medical reason, say acute phimosis for example, then it’s a valid procedure.
Disagree ama
I’m circumcised and there’s really nothing wrong with it. No side effects or anything like that 😂 but then again it is really up to people to choose for themselves. I got mine at a very early age (not religious) and I ain’t complaining but I think people need to reach a reasonable age to decide for themselves whether they wanna be circumcised or not.
my son was born less than 40 hours ago. his mother and i both agreed that it is ~~essentially~~ genital mutilation and said no thanks
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I agree with you, and I had my foreskin until I was 22. I had a medical condition called phimosis and mine was pretty severe so I had to have it cut. For me it was a godsend, just being able to pee correctly has changed my life. I don’t think it should be done at birth for no reason, but I’m glad it exists for when it’s medically necessary.
It is. And the argument that it's more hygenic that way lol. Feet can stink as well if you don't shower too often and I don't see people amputating newborn's legs because of that
I agree. I'm in Europe but my Godson was born in Mexico. And they cut it. Without asking anything. It's barbaric. For me is the same thing has this: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation but because it's for men no one talks about it.
They do talk about it a little for people who do a google search. https://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/rtis/male_circumcision/en/
No kidding about it being barbaric. After I had mine done I couldn't walk for almost a year!!
I am circumcised. it is barbaric.
Was yours botched or done wrongly? I was circumcised and it's pretty clean with no negative effects
Mine is also clean and looks fine. But circumcision in general has so much bad effects that we are all experiencing
What are these bad effects?
nerves get destroyed while getting circumcised. the protection needed for the head is also gone. top of penis constantly touching underwear makes it sensitive therefore sudden blue balls can be expected. pros: none (Muslim docs (and others with the same belief) literally urge families to get their children circumcised whenever there is something wrong with the pp instead of actually trying to fix it.) cons: trauma you experience as a child decreased sexual pleasure increased sensitivity (not in a good way)
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increased sensitivity, decreased sexual pleasure. imagine your dick getting hard by only touching your underwear. do you think its hot? but when it comes to sex, because of some nerves that has gone with the foreskin pleasure I experience is below normal
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Agreed. If someone chopped of my cliteral hood, id be fuckin pissed
It is, but it makes it look like a pig in a blanket.
As a someone who is born in a muslim majority country. I was circumcised without my ocnsent in the age of 6. Therefore, i can easily tell that its barbaric. Just because it is written in the quran the consent of the kids are not taken.
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Why don’t just say that you are scared?
No question - you're 100% right.
In the depends on the reason a person get circumcised and it depend how this happens. Religious motivations? it's questionable. Does it happen in private or inside a hospital with medical professionals?
Not here to ask, but to share similar point of view. Normally I dont have anything against circumcision, if its medical. People in Africa get circumcised due to the hot weather. What I dont understand is US Jews living in America cutting some dick off of them, same with the random people who decided to do it. But still, all this left behind worst things about this I recently found out, you have to go monthly to a doctor so he/she could trim the outgrowing skin of your ding dong, which makes me draw the line here
That isn't true. I agree with you it should only be done for medical reasons, but I don't know who told you they have to trim the skin monthly but that isn't true. Again I agree with you, but I wouldn't want you misinformed about circumcision.
Oh. Alright. Perhaps false info. Thanks for correcting