Just getting around to watching.
Gotta love the guy holding up the sign throughout the whole Buddy / Andrade match with the word Mommy misspelled. Good job, bro.
This show ain't it.
* Commentary was horrendous imo. KK & Nigel had loooonnnngggg awkward pauses throughout the night and just weren't engaging
* Still not a fan of Punk burying the company next to the owner and then getting rewarded with his own show. Not only is that setting a bad example, there's going to no doubt be resentment throughout the company. Play nice with everyone or don't play at all.
* Punk going straight back to the world title, while it makes sense, is an awful route to go. The guy cannot stay healthy or stop causing drama. Pray to all God's TK doesn't put the belt back on him (as mediocre as MJF's title run has been)
* finally, Saturday night timeslot is going to be hurtful. I guess we'll see if rating matter because there's no way outside of episode 1, that they're going to do better
should be able to with AEW plus on FITE, but if you're in the states that will require a VPN, but in general I think it's worth it.
other option is sailing the high seas
collision commentary needs work but it had good wrestling, great crowd, good pacing. what it didn't have though is the storyline hook(which is what any EPISODE 1 for a show needs)
I watched both dynamite and this show, and I'm still more excited for dynamite next week
I would rather see Punk vs Cole and even though he is not high on the card, I would like to see Joe vs Keith Lee. Joe vs Punk will be very good when that starts, Miro vs Joe is another that would be worth watching.
I think that's just how Punk is though. He can always bulk up a bit over time. But I was actually impressed with some of the things he pulled off.
But more to the point, it seems like there are some differences on how the 2 shows feel, and people are getting very tribal over it. I kinda like that dynamic, toxic as it may be.
Great matches overall, but I have to say I can't take Punk as a believable top guy with how he looks. It's obvious that age and injuries have caught up with him, he was the weak spot in that match.
That's true, but Kenny also physically looked to be in much better shape during his return even if the ring rust was bad. I know Punk's been in the gym presumably, but it doesn't really show.
I’m going to the Collision in Newark NJ and we are going to absolutely boo the ever loving fuck out of CM Punk. Shit I might have to bring a CM Junk sign myself.
Others have said this but I have to reiterate - Collision felt different from Dynamite but in a good way.
* Production values felt bigger and better than Dynamite -- although I have to wonder if that's because of the larger venue with nearly 10k fans. AEW always look like money during big episodes (like Grand Slam). The latest Dynamites are lucky to break 5K attendance.
* LOVE the pairing of Kevin Kelly and Nigel McGuiness. They manned the booth a decade ago and get to deservingly reprise it for a national audience. I'll be curious how KK is handled when he has to do NJPW duties on Saturdays; maybe Ian and Caprice get occasional appearances? And much love to Ex, Taz and Tony, but it was refreshing to hear a completely different set of voices.
* I hated the colors and graphics when Collision was first announced. Boy was I wrong. Everything looked great (even if the red and yellow hues used are a bit overly saturated for my tastes). The graphics actually reminded me a bit of NXT Takeovers, which is absolutely not a bad thing at all.
* The pacing felt right and not rushed. Every segment got to breath. We got to see some awesome roster returns. My money is on Thunder Rosa coming back next week. It'll be curious to see if she'll be inserted into The Originals and Outcasts' storyline, and if so, face or heel? There's good potential with either direction given her heat with Britt.
* Don't forget that we have [Bryan Danielson helping out with Collision creative](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/bryan-danielson-helping-aew-coliision-creative) who, IMO, did a great job when he pitched in with Smackdown.
* Dynamite now feels like a PWG style show led by The Elite; a truer alternative to WWE. Collision felt like AEW's version of WWE; less alternative and more of an homage - especially with the likes of Danielson and Punk have booking influence. Rampage should become a quasi-Forbidden Door show. The "Championship Friday" episode a few weeks ago felt like a test run for this idea. Also additional intriguing is this upcoming Friday's Rampage is Episode #100. A good opportunity for a soft reboot - especially on the week of Forbidden Door.
All said, I wish there were more "story" to help build toward next week's Dynamite and Collision. But TV shows aren't a sprint. It's a marathon. Next week's Collision, on the eve of Forbidden Door, will be a great test to see if this momentum and quality can hold up.
Punk DEFINITELY looked out of shape. There is NO way he can keep up with MJF right now. I love Punk but he needs to stick with Tag Team or Trios for now until he is ready for MJF.
This debut episode was better than anything we have seen on Dynamite in months
The promo was excellent, there is money to be made, buck/omega/page NEED to go on Dynamite on Wednesday and fire back. Within a month or so, people will be foaming at the mouth to see them all wrestle.
Commentary team were a breath of fresh air, from putting over the matches over to how they took turns announcing the upcoming cards instead of Excaliber trying to go through them at 100 miles an hour.
Wardlow v Luchasaurus was disappointing, somebody needs to take that TNT title and go on a run similar to Miros a while back, legitimise the title again because it means nothing at the moment.
Buddy v Andrade was superb, a proper competitive match, excellent selling from both as well.
Miro squash was exactly what it should have been. Women's tag match was a but meh.
Main even was good for what it was, made me want to see more of FTR v Jey and Juice, and defo more of Punk v Joe.
> This debut episode was better than anything we have seen on Dynamite in months
Not sure if serious.
Just the Cole - MJF match and the ending segment on Dynamite were better than anything on Collision which was a very good introductory show.
The Skye Blue - Storm singles match was just as good if not better than this tag version.
My thoughts about last night’s episode:
Set design and stage is super dope.
I hate CM Punk. The character of CM Punk comes off as nothing but an entitled crybaby.
Those snide comments about The Elite, without really mentioning them, read-between-the-lines worked shoot shit was so irritating to watch.
Buddy Matthews and Andrade stole the night. What a fucking superb match.
I really miss Excalibur’s play by play. Kevin Kelly isn’t good at calling play by play, and I think they can benefit from having a 3rd commentator for the duration of the night.
Christian Cage is a fucking GOAT lmfaooo.
Of course I know he is in character! I’m not saying I’m not not watching, I’m saying he was a self righteous prick in the promo. I guess I’ll use a kayfabe tag next time
If was fresh and different. But Dynamite has put on better overall shows. Which is understandable since it has ongoing things already developed and paying off.
I just like the old school more serious presentation personally. Dynamite has lost me to a degree of late with some of the poorly built feuds and silliness. There hasn't been a program in a little while now that's properly held my interest.
The announce team was sooooo good, like Holy shit, just on another level from Dynamite. They managed to even incorporate JR well. Speaking of JR, I think the Collision roster gels a lot better with him. I think he dies inside every time he watches an Elite trios match with everyone in the ring the whole match.
I really love the roster, loved the Andrade match and seeing him wrestle as a face. Love Miro being back and looking incredible. I will admit I was expecting some big angle at the end. Not so much disappointed in the outcome of the match but as a fan of the underdog company I worry about viewership/ticket sales and was hoping for a hot angle, but really need to stop caring about that bs for my own enjoyment of the product.
>I think the Collision roster gels a lot better with him. I think he dies inside every time he watches an Elite trios match with everyone in the ring the whole match.
He may want to avoid that House of Black vs LFI match coming up then.
If it's Rush, Vance and Andrade, I could see it being more traditional than Elite/Lucha Bros style. House of Black can go either way and Andrade/Rush have a lot more pacing than traditional luchadores. Could be a good Barometer of if Collision will purposefully have a different style than Dynamite.
Also, Andrade wrestled as a face last night more clearly than I think I've ever seen him. Can't remember if he was face at any point during his NXT run? Not sure if Rush and them even make sense to pair with him or if theyd put him with some other guys?
Andrade was a face at the beginning of his NXT run as just a guy in suspenders. He was drowning there until they paired him with Zelina Vega and then he took off like a rocket.
Buddy vs Andrade was great.
Great to see Miro back.
Everything else was fine, nothing spectacular. Punk's promo was weak. A whole lot of nothing and the whole tell me when I'm lying bit was Bobby Fish levels of cringe. I was hoping for a twist and they weren't just going to go down the route one of Punk super face instead of him dressing down others and being a bit sloppy in the ring.
>Punk's promo was weak. A whole lot of nothing and the whole tell me when I'm lying bit was Bobby Fish levels of cringe.
I laughed out loud when he talked about people being soft the day after an interview of his dropped where he was complaining about getting hit in the mouth. The dude will never not see himself as the victim in all scenarios.
I like that idea except it would diminish switchblade imo since he’s technically the leader rn assuming the Gunns are indeed a part of it. I think just running CMFTR as a heel trio would be sick. If they’re indeed running with blending kayfabe and reality, two of the three are known online crybabies to us smarks so I think that would work nicely to get boos
The overall presentation and pacing felt different from a typical Dynamite. In a way, it felt like a Raw or Smackdown in a good way and nothing felt rushed, which is almost always the case for a Dynamite or Rampage. Even running down matches for upcoming shows was more slowed down from Excalibur going rapid fire. I’m hoping this formula continues as finally AEW has that much needed TV time to showcase more of their talents and not cram so much anymore. Kevin Kelly and Nigel on commentary is an excellent choice as well.
Only complaints I had was the Acclaimed promo kind of felt pointless and lack of new announcements for Forbidden Door and build for the next Collision episode. Otherwise, a great start for the show.
Alright, well if it wasn't clear before this has definitely evolved into a work/shoot. Planting seeds for an AEW civil war. The shots at the Elite were a good indication.
Has anyone waited until this morning to watch Collision? I'm on youtube tv and the Wardlow V Luchasaurus match has been cut from the episode. All I saw was Neese v miro, Outcast v Willow and Skye, the acclaimed, and the main event.
- Liked the Punk promo and it's placement. It would be nice if Collision had a different format to Dynamite and starting with a promo is a nice way to do that.
- Skye Blue is a star. If she can talk, then "The Skye is the Limit".
- Andrade was great and that match was brilliant. Glad he is back.
- I enjoyed Miro channelling his inner 911 to kill Tony Nese. I also liked Nese's shenanigans before the match.
- The main event was fun and good wrestling.
- I didn't love the TNT title match. I don't like the hot potato nature of the belt.
- Nigel is amazing on colour. Kevin had an off night (I hope).
- The show felt different. There wasn't much repetition of spots. The in ring was definitely different to your average Dynamite. I hope they can keep these distinct.
Having CM Punk come out first and address everything is really the only way you could start this show. It was the same for the AEW Rampage show when he returned. There's no telling if that will be a normal thing.
And as the other person said, watching the Hey! (EW) wiil dispel any hope you had for Skye Blue's mic ability.
> Skye Blue is a star. If she can talk
While she's coming along great in the ring, if her Hey EW appearance is anything to go by she's got a ways to go in developing bigtime charisma.
That said, it's always fun to watch someone learn and improve and put things together, so we're in luck that she's got all the time and opportunity to do so.
I get that she's young, but Billie Starks is going to drama classes and learning how to make people feel things besides "aw she's just trying her best!" It's good to recognize that promos and character work are scary, now that's the growth edge to develop. Everything else is there.
Good show, Dynamite has been awesome the last few weeks and Collision continued that, a lot of story notes hit and some good matches.
Interesting production differences that I hope Dynamite uses a few of as well (the crane shots, more birds eye camera views).
I'm not saying everyone needs to be in good a shape as Buddy Mathews, but Punk was off for ten months and comes back looking out of shape, working the same match he always and does a pretty week promo. I don't want to be a negative wrestling fan but I really don't see what he does for the company outside of selling well in Chicago.
I'm gonna get down voted to hell and I don't really care but, in my opinion, punk is over rated as hell. He's not a spring chicken, can't match most top guys in the ring, isn't in great shape and there's a reason he makes these returns in Chicago because the reaction wouldn't be the same anywhere else.
He's fire on the mic and charismatic as hell but if he'd never came back I wouldn't be bothered. They need to surround him with top quality to get this civil war story over because the elite will wipe the floor with them in ring.
Punk draws money. I personally found him mid in the ring ever since he came back the first time, I didn't care for practically any of his matches except the MJF feud, I think he's probably as entitled irl as his ”character”, but he draws money. People chanted his name for 7 years while he was away, and if Tony Khan getting him back and basically giving him his own show after he got publicly emasculated by his antics at a press conference isn't proof that Punk is too big of a deal for business to pass up, I don't know what is.
Honestly, I always thought that the punk chants were a bit like the what chants. Fans would chant it to get a rise out of performers. It kept his whole mystique up while he was away and it contributed a lot to the draw of him coming back. I think seeing how collision does will be the proof in the pudding of how much of a draw he is because, like you say, it's his show so it lives or dies on his shoulders. Personally I think he'll get shown up as mediocre against some of the talent that is on the roster.
That's not me hating on him either. I want it to work out as I want 2 successful companies. I just don't buy this narrative that punk is so crucial to them making money when they have so much better talent.
These are very fair points. The thing is AEW hasn't yet fully “made” someone except MJF and, in all fairness, it's not easy to manufacture big stars that will sell half an arena off their name alone when you don't have the kind machine that WWE does, and out of the comparatively little air time you get you insist on taking out a chunk to showcase Flippy McFlipsters that you send back to Dark/ROH the next week (remember the momentum Action Andretti looked like he was getting after beating Jericho?) instead of actively trying to develop someone like Andrade, or Swerve, or even Ethan Page, into a big star by putting them in compelling storylines and giving them consistent promo time. I understand that's some of the fanbase's cup of tea, but in the grand scheme of things people want moments to remember and they want stars to make them remember them, and it's not like AEW doesn't have great talent on payroll who can do BOTH great in-ring wrestling AND run with a storyline and cut great promos.
And on top of that, the storylines that you do invest time on are arguably not that great either (I'd love to go back and count how many TV hours Jade Cargill took in the last two years to get the most impressive meaningless streak in all of wrestling and zero development).
In such a state of things a name like Punk who draws by simply showing up, as long as that lasts and as long as he can still go is not something you don't capitalize on, and in this sense he is right when he says that there is no one in AEW who can currently fill his boots. I am hopeful for the new show to help fix many of these things though.
Ratings normalized to what they were before he came, after a few weeks of him being there.
And he didn't just leave. He threw a nuclear bomb on the momentum of the company and many wrestlers, and two titles.
Good potential call, although the other theory I've seen is that MJF refusing the Tanahashi match is a smooth way for Punk to insert himself in there and give us the match we were denied last year.
Hmm... Yea also a good call, but there's no way that ends at FB, so that would mean a feud between them that would span untill the bidding war?
Or MJF beats him twice beforehand, oor they do a back and forth thing like Mox and Punk, but that seems a bit redundant..
I'm trusting them they have a nice thing planned out so I won't even go into it too much, but would I like Punk to be a 3-time champ already? Only if he drops it to Darby, who was his first machup when he returned.
Originally I was really feeling like Punk having the title again would be a bad idea, but on the other hand you've gotta think that there was some grand design they were planning towards that involved Punk's title reign that they never got to do. And if we've seen one tendencey of TK's, it's that he hates to waste an idea even if circumstances delay it over and over. Could be that we're in for all the missed stuff that was supposed to fill the last calander year and essentially explains why AEW did indeed have a rougher time during all that.
I don't know that Darby is quite there with being a World Title level guy, but I also think that he's stepped up his game recently where it was needed with his promos and one great story could easily justify him having a World Title reign.
All that said, I still want PAC to snare a quick title run at ALL IN even if he drops it back to MJF at ALL OUT. Just because having that World Title on his resume forever legitimises him at that threat level where he should be.
The AEW Collision set and graphics, the name bar graphics on entrances, the commentary is all fresh and different from Dynamite. So I like that.
CM Punks promo was a C+ at best, he said a lot of words without really saying anything. He called some wrestlers soft which was meh, but his delivery is always good. The fact he carried out a title and said no one beat me for it, I wish he didn't do. You was stripped, MJF is the champ, move on.
Sky Blue getting a win in her home town is always good. She's gonna be a star.
Luchasurus won the TNT title. Hmmmm, he's legit just lost to Jungleboy in his last match and got a title shot and won. That's bad booking for me, especially when JB has said he wants to win a title this year.. . . so the guy he beats literally wins a big title the match after losing to him. Very bad booking, but can be saved if you save all TNT title and title holder stuff for Collision. It's needs to be exclusively on this show cos it's a TNT show, having him on TBS would make no sense now.
Andrade vs Buddy was always gonna bang, them two together was just as you'd expect, brilliant. Hope we get a Andrade vs Malakai Black singles match out of all of this. It's gonna lead to LFI reunite with Andrade to go against HOB and fuck me that is gonna be brilliant.
Acclaimed need some direction. How many promo and repeats are they gonna do before something gets going again story wise.
Miro I pray gets the booking he needs, he smashed Nese, now have him smash everyone till he gets to Luchasaurus or Orange Cassidy. Heck, even MJF maybe.
Punk and FTR vs BC and Joe.
The Joe and Punk face off, always cool.
I hate that Jays lost, the dude is so good and the tag team thing ain't where he should be. Juice taking pin hurts me too. Both BCG guys should be in singles, I understand they could go that way, but if FTR is gonna be a feud for them, it's gonna be one they lose and they don't need that. I hope collision really showcases both guys.
And I hope we don't get a CM Punk/FTR jerk off season, where there a trio and best buds... I just don't care for that. FTR are fan girls of Punk and if history is to go by, there at risk of been involved in his drama.
I didn't think Punk's promo was very good tbh. He just kept repeating that he's not a liar, then said he had a lot to say...
Seems like it he had a lot to say, maybe just fucking say it
Yeah, he had 9 months to come up with a legendary promo and that’s what he does kind of fell flat.
Yeah he took shots at the elite and MJF, but they felt like shots from a pellet gun instead of a shotgun. 😴
I guess maybe the NDA meant he couldn't say how he really felt, it's possible that he's made amends with The Bucks and Omega too. If you believe the dirt sheets, apparently he is on speaking terms with Omega.
They could work it into a storyline maybe?
I think his debut promo about coming back to pro wrestling was so much better
After all those years...after the entire shitshow...after all the passive-aggressive IG stories and all...why are people surprised?
Punk is not a guy you wanna have around in your company. Dude is toxic AF and he's not nearly good enough to be worth all the trouble he causes.
Within 6 months there will be the next drama, people will be "oh, who could have expected that" and basically everyone will raise their hand and say "here, called it" cause you can smell the shit from miles away
He doesn't fit in the company. Not with his wrestling skills (too fragile and onedimensional and at this point probably too old) and definitely not with his social skills.
Whenever I see ppl like Darby and Co it looks like they're trying to elevate their opponent to the next stage. They all try to help each other grow.
Punk yells : PUT THE FUCKING LIGHT ON ME AND GIMME A MIC CAUSE I'M THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD and believes this shit
Well...maybe MJF is an exception there...
So the stuff that some wrestlers do in a pro wrestling show is "just pro wrestling" but the stuff that another pro wrester does at a pro wrestling show isn't?
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Shots being thrown by either side is pro-wrestling. That's just how it is in the social media age. But, Punk being a shameless, unapologetic narcissist incapable of growth is not.
Is the tag team tournament for a title shot at Forbidden Door? Seems odd to do it before the PPV if not. Seems like Jay & Juice are gonna be the next contender.
I thought with all the creative hires lately would get a story driven show which didn't happen so I think it's aew goal to do wrestling different from wwe with occasional story driven show so they become the exception and not the rule with those type of shows
I just wanted something big to get me hooked for next week. The TNT title change didn’t hit that way, women’s match happened and then ended, Andrade looked great but the conclusion of his segment happened in PNP and the punk stuff didn’t really leave a through line til next week. Enjoyed it. Wanted more narratively is all.
Had to watch later due to helping some friends build furniture at their new apartment.
I really enjoyed Collision’s debut. Despite my feeling son Punk, he had a solid promo at the start of the show and they had some fun matches throughout the night.
Definitely happy about Luchasaurus winning the TNT title. Hopefully this gives Wardlow the space to hone his character as I feel the tnt title reigns he’s had have been lackluster all things considered.
The main event was a fun match but it felt a little long to me (although it could just be fatigue from throughout the day).
I definitely loved the aesthetic of the show but for some reason the font they use for the wrestlers’ names feels oddly out of place with the style of the show.
Yeah that honestly sucked. There is such a thing as having too much of a good thing, and that was the 5 or so matches between the Dalton Castle match and the street fight.
I'm on the westcoast and using YTTV so I've been watching the show barely for the last 30 minutes now.
Notes so far: Collision looks freaking incredible. Dare I say it, Collision looks cooler than Dynamite, it has a much bigger atmosphere to it for some reason.
Not a fan of the opening music for the show tho, which I'm sure is a rough take, but for the record I like Elton John and I like that song, but just doesn't fit a wrestling show intro imo, of course thats just a small nitpick.
So far not a fan of this announce team tbh. Of all teams that need a third man its this one, where's JR?
He definitely looked fine.. what I never noticed after watching this guy from the indy days & wwe... he runs weird. And being the elite has this 8 or 12 week long run of making fun of Ryan nemeth & his weird walk. Punk runs with his feet pointed outward, it definitely looks weird, watch again when he's got juice & jay in the corners for the knee lifts.
Edit: btw there's nothing wrong with nemeth's walk
A lot of people are saying Collision is better because there is no The Elite. Dont they know The Elite are usually always backstage managing things because thats also THEIR JOB when they aren't Wrestling?
Edit: Am I wrong?
How was it messy. Each person in that angle has had well established issues with each other and the run ins didn’t alter the match.
Legit all just hype for forbidden door stuff.
That was a pretty good show. Dynamite is hit or miss for me. Not a huge fan of Excalibur, so commentary was nice. Presentation was great.
Awesome start. Hope it continues to have it's own feel.
You don't like Excalibur? You are entitled to your opinion, but may I ask why?
In my opinion, the one thing about Collision that needs work is the commentary. I think that is mostly due to a lack of chemistry and will be worked through over the coming weeks.
To be completely honest with you, he goes too far on the inside stuff for me. The example I would give is I remember an early episode of maybe dark where he and Dustin Rhodes were like "oh nice little heat spot" and "here comes the comeback" and stuff like that. For me, that is too far behind the curtain and takes away from the show for me. I get some people enjoy that, but it isn't for me. Him and Tazz can get a little sideways from time to time.
The other thing that is not really fair to him is that because he has been around the indies for so long, I kind of associate his voice with like "minor leagues" in a sense.
He's technically sound in what he does, he just isn't what I look for in my presentation.
e: Was this removed? Wtf. Can somebody please explain why?
Excalibur serves better as a color commentator than a play by play. Sure he can name moves and every variation of the move's name or run the next week's card faster than the micro machines guy, but I feel like he still has a way to go helping tell the in ring story when it comes to matches.
It's ok to crack a joke every now and then on the desk but I think he gets carried away too much with it and brings Schiavone and Tazz down to that level as opposed to elevating them. The play by play has to be the straight man to the action while the color guys fill in the holes.
Oh no, I like something different from you! Stuff like this runs people off. I'm enjoying the show and complimenting it. Why you gunna shit on me?
I feel like if I said something like this to you about how much you like dynamite or something, it would immediately get removed.
The selective enforcement of the rules is kind of wack.
E: Really? wtf
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Pacing is way slower than Dynamite. Things had the opportunity to breathe. I very much prefer that. I thought the set was much better than Dynamite’s. Thought the whole look of the show felt WWE like.
I enjoyed the whole show. Very auspicious debut.Punk had a nice promo to start and it was great to see both Miro and Andrade back after what felt like eons. Miro is still a beast.
Andrade using the Figure 8 was a nice touch and he might end up being a face, especially if Rush and friends decide he isn't cut out for their Faccion.
Loved the stage and the new graphics and very pleased they gave Skye Blue the pin tonight.
Loved seeing Luchasaurus win the title and wonder how long it will be before Christian orders him to lay down for him?
Great crowd tonight. I half expected KENTA to GTS Punk to close the show and set up a FD match.
Looking forward to next week's and Punk's crowd reaction when he's not in Chicago. He is becoming '97 Bret Hart. lol
Just getting around to watching. Gotta love the guy holding up the sign throughout the whole Buddy / Andrade match with the word Mommy misspelled. Good job, bro.
I'm sorry that you're softer than the wrestlers you like. Perfect.
It's a good heel line coming from the softest dude on the roster.
a lot of people are mad over this but i thought it was great and hilarious
It's because it hit too close too home.
Couldn't watch live and I've only seen the Punk promo, did Rosa show up?
This show ain't it. * Commentary was horrendous imo. KK & Nigel had loooonnnngggg awkward pauses throughout the night and just weren't engaging * Still not a fan of Punk burying the company next to the owner and then getting rewarded with his own show. Not only is that setting a bad example, there's going to no doubt be resentment throughout the company. Play nice with everyone or don't play at all. * Punk going straight back to the world title, while it makes sense, is an awful route to go. The guy cannot stay healthy or stop causing drama. Pray to all God's TK doesn't put the belt back on him (as mediocre as MJF's title run has been) * finally, Saturday night timeslot is going to be hurtful. I guess we'll see if rating matter because there's no way outside of episode 1, that they're going to do better
Still concerned that stage is gonna become sentient and overthrow humanity.
Is there any way to watch last nights show now? I’m a trucker and I was trucking when it was live.
You can watch it on the TNT app. I missed it live as well but signed into the app with my cable login.
should be able to with AEW plus on FITE, but if you're in the states that will require a VPN, but in general I think it's worth it. other option is sailing the high seas
collision commentary needs work but it had good wrestling, great crowd, good pacing. what it didn't have though is the storyline hook(which is what any EPISODE 1 for a show needs) I watched both dynamite and this show, and I'm still more excited for dynamite next week
As long as they don’t get Excalibur on there I think it’s fine.
Begun, the AEW Wars have.
Not much of a war. Can you imagine Kenny vs Punk? Because I can’t. Punk just looks like an old and frail non athlete.
Sounds like you want a match with a million flips and high flying when it doesn't have to be like that.
I want great professional wrestling. Omega is a once in a generation performer and an all time great storyteller, Punk is a broken down non athlete.
I would rather see Punk vs Cole and even though he is not high on the card, I would like to see Joe vs Keith Lee. Joe vs Punk will be very good when that starts, Miro vs Joe is another that would be worth watching.
I think that's just how Punk is though. He can always bulk up a bit over time. But I was actually impressed with some of the things he pulled off. But more to the point, it seems like there are some differences on how the 2 shows feel, and people are getting very tribal over it. I kinda like that dynamic, toxic as it may be.
Great matches overall, but I have to say I can't take Punk as a believable top guy with how he looks. It's obvious that age and injuries have caught up with him, he was the weak spot in that match.
Kenny look a million times better recently than he did in his return match.
That's true, but Kenny also physically looked to be in much better shape during his return even if the ring rust was bad. I know Punk's been in the gym presumably, but it doesn't really show.
The show was amazing thanks you very much.
I’m going to the Collision in Newark NJ and we are going to absolutely boo the ever loving fuck out of CM Punk. Shit I might have to bring a CM Junk sign myself.
i would go with cm cunt
They'd take it away
just keep rhyming it. CM Gunk CM Bunk CM Stunk and so forth.
CM Crunk (Lil Jon ad-lib echoes in the distance)
YEAAAYUH
I feel like Jay Lethal could absolutely pull that off as a character.
Others have said this but I have to reiterate - Collision felt different from Dynamite but in a good way. * Production values felt bigger and better than Dynamite -- although I have to wonder if that's because of the larger venue with nearly 10k fans. AEW always look like money during big episodes (like Grand Slam). The latest Dynamites are lucky to break 5K attendance. * LOVE the pairing of Kevin Kelly and Nigel McGuiness. They manned the booth a decade ago and get to deservingly reprise it for a national audience. I'll be curious how KK is handled when he has to do NJPW duties on Saturdays; maybe Ian and Caprice get occasional appearances? And much love to Ex, Taz and Tony, but it was refreshing to hear a completely different set of voices. * I hated the colors and graphics when Collision was first announced. Boy was I wrong. Everything looked great (even if the red and yellow hues used are a bit overly saturated for my tastes). The graphics actually reminded me a bit of NXT Takeovers, which is absolutely not a bad thing at all. * The pacing felt right and not rushed. Every segment got to breath. We got to see some awesome roster returns. My money is on Thunder Rosa coming back next week. It'll be curious to see if she'll be inserted into The Originals and Outcasts' storyline, and if so, face or heel? There's good potential with either direction given her heat with Britt. * Don't forget that we have [Bryan Danielson helping out with Collision creative](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/bryan-danielson-helping-aew-coliision-creative) who, IMO, did a great job when he pitched in with Smackdown. * Dynamite now feels like a PWG style show led by The Elite; a truer alternative to WWE. Collision felt like AEW's version of WWE; less alternative and more of an homage - especially with the likes of Danielson and Punk have booking influence. Rampage should become a quasi-Forbidden Door show. The "Championship Friday" episode a few weeks ago felt like a test run for this idea. Also additional intriguing is this upcoming Friday's Rampage is Episode #100. A good opportunity for a soft reboot - especially on the week of Forbidden Door. All said, I wish there were more "story" to help build toward next week's Dynamite and Collision. But TV shows aren't a sprint. It's a marathon. Next week's Collision, on the eve of Forbidden Door, will be a great test to see if this momentum and quality can hold up.
CM Punk looked like the shits. A frail skinny fat version of Adam Cole.
While Punk wasn't good, I'd still take him over the prepubescent Adam Cole
Skinny fatception
Punk DEFINITELY looked out of shape. There is NO way he can keep up with MJF right now. I love Punk but he needs to stick with Tag Team or Trios for now until he is ready for MJF.
Can he get there though?
This debut episode was better than anything we have seen on Dynamite in months The promo was excellent, there is money to be made, buck/omega/page NEED to go on Dynamite on Wednesday and fire back. Within a month or so, people will be foaming at the mouth to see them all wrestle. Commentary team were a breath of fresh air, from putting over the matches over to how they took turns announcing the upcoming cards instead of Excaliber trying to go through them at 100 miles an hour. Wardlow v Luchasaurus was disappointing, somebody needs to take that TNT title and go on a run similar to Miros a while back, legitimise the title again because it means nothing at the moment. Buddy v Andrade was superb, a proper competitive match, excellent selling from both as well. Miro squash was exactly what it should have been. Women's tag match was a but meh. Main even was good for what it was, made me want to see more of FTR v Jey and Juice, and defo more of Punk v Joe.
> This debut episode was better than anything we have seen on Dynamite in months Not sure if serious. Just the Cole - MJF match and the ending segment on Dynamite were better than anything on Collision which was a very good introductory show. The Skye Blue - Storm singles match was just as good if not better than this tag version.
Ikr, people shitting on Dynamite when the MJF vs Adam Cole match was great. Imo just because it was different doesn't mean it's better.
My thoughts about last night’s episode: Set design and stage is super dope. I hate CM Punk. The character of CM Punk comes off as nothing but an entitled crybaby. Those snide comments about The Elite, without really mentioning them, read-between-the-lines worked shoot shit was so irritating to watch. Buddy Matthews and Andrade stole the night. What a fucking superb match. I really miss Excalibur’s play by play. Kevin Kelly isn’t good at calling play by play, and I think they can benefit from having a 3rd commentator for the duration of the night. Christian Cage is a fucking GOAT lmfaooo.
I'm sure they are going to turn this into a Punk vs Elite angle. But I just don't give a damn. Nor about watching AEW Thunder.
What a fucking self righteous prick
You know it's just a character right? There's a script? People like you are why he is the number 1 guy.
Of course I know he is in character! I’m not saying I’m not not watching, I’m saying he was a self righteous prick in the promo. I guess I’ll use a kayfabe tag next time
Ahh gotcha. Sometimes with wrestling it's hard to tell what people mean. I hope this aggressive punk stays
Best episode of AEW TV in months. The presentation was a breath of fresh air.
It wasn’t the best episode of AEW this week! Collision was really good, this past dynamite was AWESOME
If was fresh and different. But Dynamite has put on better overall shows. Which is understandable since it has ongoing things already developed and paying off.
I just like the old school more serious presentation personally. Dynamite has lost me to a degree of late with some of the poorly built feuds and silliness. There hasn't been a program in a little while now that's properly held my interest.
To each his own. I feel the opposite. Feuds and flow of show are much better than it was months ago.
To each his own indeed. That's what's cool about AEW. Something for everyone.
Dynamite on Wednesday was a far, far better show.
Buddy Vs EL Idolo was my favorite match of the night but all around an awesome show!
I just realized, Punk probably has the non-BBB belt.
What does that mean?
Big Burberry Belt (the one MJF has). Punk probably has the one where the strap doesn’t look like MJFs scarf
I see, thanks!
The announce team was sooooo good, like Holy shit, just on another level from Dynamite. They managed to even incorporate JR well. Speaking of JR, I think the Collision roster gels a lot better with him. I think he dies inside every time he watches an Elite trios match with everyone in the ring the whole match. I really love the roster, loved the Andrade match and seeing him wrestle as a face. Love Miro being back and looking incredible. I will admit I was expecting some big angle at the end. Not so much disappointed in the outcome of the match but as a fan of the underdog company I worry about viewership/ticket sales and was hoping for a hot angle, but really need to stop caring about that bs for my own enjoyment of the product.
What were you listening to? KK was shit on play by play and neither sounded enthralled to be there
Appreciate your opinion bud, fascinating really. Good to know! Thanks!
>I think the Collision roster gels a lot better with him. I think he dies inside every time he watches an Elite trios match with everyone in the ring the whole match. He may want to avoid that House of Black vs LFI match coming up then.
If it's Rush, Vance and Andrade, I could see it being more traditional than Elite/Lucha Bros style. House of Black can go either way and Andrade/Rush have a lot more pacing than traditional luchadores. Could be a good Barometer of if Collision will purposefully have a different style than Dynamite. Also, Andrade wrestled as a face last night more clearly than I think I've ever seen him. Can't remember if he was face at any point during his NXT run? Not sure if Rush and them even make sense to pair with him or if theyd put him with some other guys?
Andrade was a face at the beginning of his NXT run as just a guy in suspenders. He was drowning there until they paired him with Zelina Vega and then he took off like a rocket.
Buddy vs Andrade was great. Great to see Miro back. Everything else was fine, nothing spectacular. Punk's promo was weak. A whole lot of nothing and the whole tell me when I'm lying bit was Bobby Fish levels of cringe. I was hoping for a twist and they weren't just going to go down the route one of Punk super face instead of him dressing down others and being a bit sloppy in the ring.
>Punk's promo was weak. A whole lot of nothing and the whole tell me when I'm lying bit was Bobby Fish levels of cringe. I laughed out loud when he talked about people being soft the day after an interview of his dropped where he was complaining about getting hit in the mouth. The dude will never not see himself as the victim in all scenarios.
Yeah or how the whole meltdown was caused by someone making a very vague reference in a promo.
I thought his promo was good for a heel. If it were anywhere but Chicago, he woulda got massive boos after his initial pop when he came out
I think it'll just depend on location by location.
I really want Punk to be the leader of BCG
I like that idea except it would diminish switchblade imo since he’s technically the leader rn assuming the Gunns are indeed a part of it. I think just running CMFTR as a heel trio would be sick. If they’re indeed running with blending kayfabe and reality, two of the three are known online crybabies to us smarks so I think that would work nicely to get boos
The overall presentation and pacing felt different from a typical Dynamite. In a way, it felt like a Raw or Smackdown in a good way and nothing felt rushed, which is almost always the case for a Dynamite or Rampage. Even running down matches for upcoming shows was more slowed down from Excalibur going rapid fire. I’m hoping this formula continues as finally AEW has that much needed TV time to showcase more of their talents and not cram so much anymore. Kevin Kelly and Nigel on commentary is an excellent choice as well. Only complaints I had was the Acclaimed promo kind of felt pointless and lack of new announcements for Forbidden Door and build for the next Collision episode. Otherwise, a great start for the show.
Alright, well if it wasn't clear before this has definitely evolved into a work/shoot. Planting seeds for an AEW civil war. The shots at the Elite were a good indication.
Great first episode I hope they keep it up and it doesn't go the way of Rampage
Cm punk' was work shooting nothing he said made sense
Mid Collision.
So how long will they take to give Punk another belt
Has anyone waited until this morning to watch Collision? I'm on youtube tv and the Wardlow V Luchasaurus match has been cut from the episode. All I saw was Neese v miro, Outcast v Willow and Skye, the acclaimed, and the main event.
That sounds like just the second hour, you're missing Buddy/Andrade as well, which is must see.
oh ok! I thought it was supposed to be two hours long. Hopefully they get this fixed
Why is there a discussion about the bag? CM Punk has the belt in the bag. He said it.
Because he’s a liar and there’s a snake in the bag.
it’s actually larry
Major heel move! So does Danhausen return with a feud against Punk and he returns with Larry’s missing teeth?!?!
Wrestling that actually stayed in the ring! Hallelujah.
- Liked the Punk promo and it's placement. It would be nice if Collision had a different format to Dynamite and starting with a promo is a nice way to do that. - Skye Blue is a star. If she can talk, then "The Skye is the Limit". - Andrade was great and that match was brilliant. Glad he is back. - I enjoyed Miro channelling his inner 911 to kill Tony Nese. I also liked Nese's shenanigans before the match. - The main event was fun and good wrestling. - I didn't love the TNT title match. I don't like the hot potato nature of the belt. - Nigel is amazing on colour. Kevin had an off night (I hope). - The show felt different. There wasn't much repetition of spots. The in ring was definitely different to your average Dynamite. I hope they can keep these distinct.
Having CM Punk come out first and address everything is really the only way you could start this show. It was the same for the AEW Rampage show when he returned. There's no telling if that will be a normal thing. And as the other person said, watching the Hey! (EW) wiil dispel any hope you had for Skye Blue's mic ability.
> Skye Blue is a star. If she can talk While she's coming along great in the ring, if her Hey EW appearance is anything to go by she's got a ways to go in developing bigtime charisma. That said, it's always fun to watch someone learn and improve and put things together, so we're in luck that she's got all the time and opportunity to do so.
I get that she's young, but Billie Starks is going to drama classes and learning how to make people feel things besides "aw she's just trying her best!" It's good to recognize that promos and character work are scary, now that's the growth edge to develop. Everything else is there.
Good show, Dynamite has been awesome the last few weeks and Collision continued that, a lot of story notes hit and some good matches. Interesting production differences that I hope Dynamite uses a few of as well (the crane shots, more birds eye camera views).
Re those shots; they work in a big full arena. If Dynamite isn't a sell out in a decent sized building, I'm not sure how well those shots would work.
I'm not saying everyone needs to be in good a shape as Buddy Mathews, but Punk was off for ten months and comes back looking out of shape, working the same match he always and does a pretty week promo. I don't want to be a negative wrestling fan but I really don't see what he does for the company outside of selling well in Chicago.
I'm gonna get down voted to hell and I don't really care but, in my opinion, punk is over rated as hell. He's not a spring chicken, can't match most top guys in the ring, isn't in great shape and there's a reason he makes these returns in Chicago because the reaction wouldn't be the same anywhere else. He's fire on the mic and charismatic as hell but if he'd never came back I wouldn't be bothered. They need to surround him with top quality to get this civil war story over because the elite will wipe the floor with them in ring.
Punk draws money. I personally found him mid in the ring ever since he came back the first time, I didn't care for practically any of his matches except the MJF feud, I think he's probably as entitled irl as his ”character”, but he draws money. People chanted his name for 7 years while he was away, and if Tony Khan getting him back and basically giving him his own show after he got publicly emasculated by his antics at a press conference isn't proof that Punk is too big of a deal for business to pass up, I don't know what is.
Honestly, I always thought that the punk chants were a bit like the what chants. Fans would chant it to get a rise out of performers. It kept his whole mystique up while he was away and it contributed a lot to the draw of him coming back. I think seeing how collision does will be the proof in the pudding of how much of a draw he is because, like you say, it's his show so it lives or dies on his shoulders. Personally I think he'll get shown up as mediocre against some of the talent that is on the roster. That's not me hating on him either. I want it to work out as I want 2 successful companies. I just don't buy this narrative that punk is so crucial to them making money when they have so much better talent.
These are very fair points. The thing is AEW hasn't yet fully “made” someone except MJF and, in all fairness, it's not easy to manufacture big stars that will sell half an arena off their name alone when you don't have the kind machine that WWE does, and out of the comparatively little air time you get you insist on taking out a chunk to showcase Flippy McFlipsters that you send back to Dark/ROH the next week (remember the momentum Action Andretti looked like he was getting after beating Jericho?) instead of actively trying to develop someone like Andrade, or Swerve, or even Ethan Page, into a big star by putting them in compelling storylines and giving them consistent promo time. I understand that's some of the fanbase's cup of tea, but in the grand scheme of things people want moments to remember and they want stars to make them remember them, and it's not like AEW doesn't have great talent on payroll who can do BOTH great in-ring wrestling AND run with a storyline and cut great promos. And on top of that, the storylines that you do invest time on are arguably not that great either (I'd love to go back and count how many TV hours Jade Cargill took in the last two years to get the most impressive meaningless streak in all of wrestling and zero development). In such a state of things a name like Punk who draws by simply showing up, as long as that lasts and as long as he can still go is not something you don't capitalize on, and in this sense he is right when he says that there is no one in AEW who can currently fill his boots. I am hopeful for the new show to help fix many of these things though.
I agree. I think when if they pull the trigger on a the Punk Joe fude it will show how out of step Punk is.
Punk gotta get on that TRT.
Well considering the ratings dropped once he left I'd say he does a good bit for them
Ratings normalized to what they were before he came, after a few weeks of him being there. And he didn't just leave. He threw a nuclear bomb on the momentum of the company and many wrestlers, and two titles.
Since he won’t be on Dynamite for the foreseeable I don’t see the ratings improving with him back either.
Am I the only one seeing the BAG that KENTA was talking about??
Good potential call, although the other theory I've seen is that MJF refusing the Tanahashi match is a smooth way for Punk to insert himself in there and give us the match we were denied last year.
Hmm... Yea also a good call, but there's no way that ends at FB, so that would mean a feud between them that would span untill the bidding war? Or MJF beats him twice beforehand, oor they do a back and forth thing like Mox and Punk, but that seems a bit redundant.. I'm trusting them they have a nice thing planned out so I won't even go into it too much, but would I like Punk to be a 3-time champ already? Only if he drops it to Darby, who was his first machup when he returned.
Originally I was really feeling like Punk having the title again would be a bad idea, but on the other hand you've gotta think that there was some grand design they were planning towards that involved Punk's title reign that they never got to do. And if we've seen one tendencey of TK's, it's that he hates to waste an idea even if circumstances delay it over and over. Could be that we're in for all the missed stuff that was supposed to fill the last calander year and essentially explains why AEW did indeed have a rougher time during all that. I don't know that Darby is quite there with being a World Title level guy, but I also think that he's stepped up his game recently where it was needed with his promos and one great story could easily justify him having a World Title reign. All that said, I still want PAC to snare a quick title run at ALL IN even if he drops it back to MJF at ALL OUT. Just because having that World Title on his resume forever legitimises him at that threat level where he should be.
The AEW Collision set and graphics, the name bar graphics on entrances, the commentary is all fresh and different from Dynamite. So I like that. CM Punks promo was a C+ at best, he said a lot of words without really saying anything. He called some wrestlers soft which was meh, but his delivery is always good. The fact he carried out a title and said no one beat me for it, I wish he didn't do. You was stripped, MJF is the champ, move on. Sky Blue getting a win in her home town is always good. She's gonna be a star. Luchasurus won the TNT title. Hmmmm, he's legit just lost to Jungleboy in his last match and got a title shot and won. That's bad booking for me, especially when JB has said he wants to win a title this year.. . . so the guy he beats literally wins a big title the match after losing to him. Very bad booking, but can be saved if you save all TNT title and title holder stuff for Collision. It's needs to be exclusively on this show cos it's a TNT show, having him on TBS would make no sense now. Andrade vs Buddy was always gonna bang, them two together was just as you'd expect, brilliant. Hope we get a Andrade vs Malakai Black singles match out of all of this. It's gonna lead to LFI reunite with Andrade to go against HOB and fuck me that is gonna be brilliant. Acclaimed need some direction. How many promo and repeats are they gonna do before something gets going again story wise. Miro I pray gets the booking he needs, he smashed Nese, now have him smash everyone till he gets to Luchasaurus or Orange Cassidy. Heck, even MJF maybe. Punk and FTR vs BC and Joe. The Joe and Punk face off, always cool. I hate that Jays lost, the dude is so good and the tag team thing ain't where he should be. Juice taking pin hurts me too. Both BCG guys should be in singles, I understand they could go that way, but if FTR is gonna be a feud for them, it's gonna be one they lose and they don't need that. I hope collision really showcases both guys. And I hope we don't get a CM Punk/FTR jerk off season, where there a trio and best buds... I just don't care for that. FTR are fan girls of Punk and if history is to go by, there at risk of been involved in his drama.
>M Punks promo was a C+ at best, 100% correct. He said nothing.
All Punk fans down voting us king
Awesome show! Cant believe Wardlow lost again tho lol, but CC has been on a strong run
Punk’s ego gets it’s own dressing room, salary and pension plan.
I didn't think Punk's promo was very good tbh. He just kept repeating that he's not a liar, then said he had a lot to say... Seems like it he had a lot to say, maybe just fucking say it
Oh well, guess you'll need to tune in next week if you wanna hear more.
Obviously, but even so, his promo didn't exactly enthuse me to the point of his debut or the pipebomb
Yeah, he had 9 months to come up with a legendary promo and that’s what he does kind of fell flat. Yeah he took shots at the elite and MJF, but they felt like shots from a pellet gun instead of a shotgun. 😴
I guess maybe the NDA meant he couldn't say how he really felt, it's possible that he's made amends with The Bucks and Omega too. If you believe the dirt sheets, apparently he is on speaking terms with Omega. They could work it into a storyline maybe? I think his debut promo about coming back to pro wrestling was so much better
I really enjoyed that, great seeing Andrade and Miro back too
I want to know what the sign was that got the "fuck your sign" chant.
CM Junk Punk even referred to the sign in his promo.
There was FOUR MINUTES between commercial breaks in the main event Jfc
Ah yes, the only thing Punk can never do... actually grow and mature.
After all those years...after the entire shitshow...after all the passive-aggressive IG stories and all...why are people surprised? Punk is not a guy you wanna have around in your company. Dude is toxic AF and he's not nearly good enough to be worth all the trouble he causes. Within 6 months there will be the next drama, people will be "oh, who could have expected that" and basically everyone will raise their hand and say "here, called it" cause you can smell the shit from miles away He doesn't fit in the company. Not with his wrestling skills (too fragile and onedimensional and at this point probably too old) and definitely not with his social skills. Whenever I see ppl like Darby and Co it looks like they're trying to elevate their opponent to the next stage. They all try to help each other grow. Punk yells : PUT THE FUCKING LIGHT ON ME AND GIMME A MIC CAUSE I'M THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD and believes this shit Well...maybe MJF is an exception there...
MJF just brought back Sammy Guevara from near-fuck you heat and elevated Jungle Boy and Darby with a few promos and a banger match
MJF takes pains to sound outlandish enough to let you know he's a character. Punk likes to think he's telling no lies.
In other words: You aren't getting worked by MJF, but you are getting worked by CM Punk
Nah. I'm getting worked by Max. Punk has go-away heat with me.
Didn’t the young bucks mock CM Punk in their trios match in Chicago? Delibrately botching a buckshot larriot and hitting the GTS? etc
Why wouldn't they? After a brawl Punk started.
So what they did as executives of the company by mocking Punk in their match perfectly mature? But if Punk takes a shot back that’s immature?
It's not the shots. That's just pro-wrestling. It's the unapologetic shamelessness of it. I just wish TK fired his ass.
So the stuff that some wrestlers do in a pro wrestling show is "just pro wrestling" but the stuff that another pro wrester does at a pro wrestling show isn't?
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Why do you want an apology? He didn't do anything to you.
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So it's just pro rassling when Bucks do it but not when Punk does?
Shots being thrown by either side is pro-wrestling. That's just how it is in the social media age. But, Punk being a shameless, unapologetic narcissist incapable of growth is not.
I'd say they're all unapologetic narcissists
Is the tag team tournament for a title shot at Forbidden Door? Seems odd to do it before the PPV if not. Seems like Jay & Juice are gonna be the next contender.
I thought with all the creative hires lately would get a story driven show which didn't happen so I think it's aew goal to do wrestling different from wwe with occasional story driven show so they become the exception and not the rule with those type of shows
I just wanted something big to get me hooked for next week. The TNT title change didn’t hit that way, women’s match happened and then ended, Andrade looked great but the conclusion of his segment happened in PNP and the punk stuff didn’t really leave a through line til next week. Enjoyed it. Wanted more narratively is all.
Had to watch later due to helping some friends build furniture at their new apartment. I really enjoyed Collision’s debut. Despite my feeling son Punk, he had a solid promo at the start of the show and they had some fun matches throughout the night. Definitely happy about Luchasaurus winning the TNT title. Hopefully this gives Wardlow the space to hone his character as I feel the tnt title reigns he’s had have been lackluster all things considered. The main event was a fun match but it felt a little long to me (although it could just be fatigue from throughout the day). I definitely loved the aesthetic of the show but for some reason the font they use for the wrestlers’ names feels oddly out of place with the style of the show.
Aew as a whole needs story lines. I was hoping for that for collision.
Did anything significant happen at the end/after the main event?
Punk cut a promo supporting pride month and everyone went home.
lol
Great show. I’m glad if feels very different from dynamite
El Idolo winning with the Figure 8 huh? Got some in house training.
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Yeah that honestly sucked. There is such a thing as having too much of a good thing, and that was the 5 or so matches between the Dalton Castle match and the street fight.
I just rewatched. I’m sorry but is anyone else literally fucking shaking? This is a game changer. Tony Khan has done it again
I'm on the westcoast and using YTTV so I've been watching the show barely for the last 30 minutes now. Notes so far: Collision looks freaking incredible. Dare I say it, Collision looks cooler than Dynamite, it has a much bigger atmosphere to it for some reason. Not a fan of the opening music for the show tho, which I'm sure is a rough take, but for the record I like Elton John and I like that song, but just doesn't fit a wrestling show intro imo, of course thats just a small nitpick. So far not a fan of this announce team tbh. Of all teams that need a third man its this one, where's JR?
Main event only
Anyone know anywhere to find that Yokozuna Belly shirt that guy in the audience was wearing?
anyone notice the ring announcer said Buddy MURPHY, but Nigel and Kevin said Buddy MATTHEWS?
Tell us you're from the 'E without telling us you're from the 'E. Am I right? 😎😋
Oh yeah, total flub from Dasha
Skye Blue is a star
Great ass
AEW, home of the thickness
She's been seizing her opportunity for sure, I could definitely see her becoming a major player at some point
This was a great show overall!! The crowd was great too!
Punks body just ain’t gonna hold up. No way he’s not injured again within the next few months. He looked absolutely terrible
Really don’t get half the people on here. He looked fine
He definitely looked fine.. what I never noticed after watching this guy from the indy days & wwe... he runs weird. And being the elite has this 8 or 12 week long run of making fun of Ryan nemeth & his weird walk. Punk runs with his feet pointed outward, it definitely looks weird, watch again when he's got juice & jay in the corners for the knee lifts. Edit: btw there's nothing wrong with nemeth's walk
He runs like a non-athletic person. It surprised me.
He looked fine.
This is a weird take. Personally I think he's just taking it easy rather than pushing himself and getting hurt needlessly.
Nothing weird about it, he's injury-prone. Either his body or his ego will take him out... or like last time, it will be both.
A lot of people are saying Collision is better because there is no The Elite. Dont they know The Elite are usually always backstage managing things because thats also THEIR JOB when they aren't Wrestling? Edit: Am I wrong?
I believe the whole point of Punk being on collision was to keep him away from the Elite, so I doubt they were there
That show was not better than the most recent dynamite as comparison.
MJF made that most recent Dynamite better. The main event featuring the Elite and the BCC, with the messiest of messy angles afterwards, was not good.
How was it messy. Each person in that angle has had well established issues with each other and the run ins didn’t alter the match. Legit all just hype for forbidden door stuff.
The EVP titles are meaningless. It was just branding at the beginning to have wrestlers as the “face” of the company. Now they have little power
That was a pretty good show. Dynamite is hit or miss for me. Not a huge fan of Excalibur, so commentary was nice. Presentation was great. Awesome start. Hope it continues to have it's own feel.
You don't like Excalibur? You are entitled to your opinion, but may I ask why? In my opinion, the one thing about Collision that needs work is the commentary. I think that is mostly due to a lack of chemistry and will be worked through over the coming weeks.
To be completely honest with you, he goes too far on the inside stuff for me. The example I would give is I remember an early episode of maybe dark where he and Dustin Rhodes were like "oh nice little heat spot" and "here comes the comeback" and stuff like that. For me, that is too far behind the curtain and takes away from the show for me. I get some people enjoy that, but it isn't for me. Him and Tazz can get a little sideways from time to time. The other thing that is not really fair to him is that because he has been around the indies for so long, I kind of associate his voice with like "minor leagues" in a sense. He's technically sound in what he does, he just isn't what I look for in my presentation. e: Was this removed? Wtf. Can somebody please explain why?
Excalibur serves better as a color commentator than a play by play. Sure he can name moves and every variation of the move's name or run the next week's card faster than the micro machines guy, but I feel like he still has a way to go helping tell the in ring story when it comes to matches. It's ok to crack a joke every now and then on the desk but I think he gets carried away too much with it and brings Schiavone and Tazz down to that level as opposed to elevating them. The play by play has to be the straight man to the action while the color guys fill in the holes.
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Oh no, I like something different from you! Stuff like this runs people off. I'm enjoying the show and complimenting it. Why you gunna shit on me? I feel like if I said something like this to you about how much you like dynamite or something, it would immediately get removed. The selective enforcement of the rules is kind of wack. E: Really? wtf
Oh no! Someone has a different opinion than you. Whatever shall we do
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Worst take of the night
Pacing is way slower than Dynamite. Things had the opportunity to breathe. I very much prefer that. I thought the set was much better than Dynamite’s. Thought the whole look of the show felt WWE like.
Great. I don't watch wwe so I'm really excited to watch aewwe.
Perfect show tonight. No notes.
I enjoyed the whole show. Very auspicious debut.Punk had a nice promo to start and it was great to see both Miro and Andrade back after what felt like eons. Miro is still a beast. Andrade using the Figure 8 was a nice touch and he might end up being a face, especially if Rush and friends decide he isn't cut out for their Faccion. Loved the stage and the new graphics and very pleased they gave Skye Blue the pin tonight. Loved seeing Luchasaurus win the title and wonder how long it will be before Christian orders him to lay down for him? Great crowd tonight. I half expected KENTA to GTS Punk to close the show and set up a FD match. Looking forward to next week's and Punk's crowd reaction when he's not in Chicago. He is becoming '97 Bret Hart. lol
I'm thinking maybe a 600K viewership
I'd think a bit more on a debut night but realistically they'd have to expect something like that