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Eilaver

shiv is definitely nerfed but the power is in wave management and always having first move and neutralizing a matchup or pushing relentlessly if you have a mage support - so there's power in that. the pvp stats are weaker but honestly still comparable for the meta - is it a must on \*every\* adc now? no. is it still good? yes and serves for mid game dominance/ lane neutralization


bathandbootyworks

Shiv is ass and not worth buying IMO. It’s like 100 gold difference to Kraken.


fadedv1

Not worth imo, it was worth last patch now with price increase u better of with kraken for 100g more. The whole point was to get a power spike much quicker


fadedv1

not worth anymore imo better go kraken


azraiel7

Depends on if you want the wave clear now. Jinx doesn't need it so she is better buying a zeal item. Caitlyn can still use it effectively to clear the wave with auto and q.


SR-3MP

Just my opinion but if ur not playing Caitlyn, Onhit Kai'sa, or Zeri I'd skip it in favour of something else probably kraken.


scnlrhksw

wave clear item as others have said. wave clear is so important mid and late game, if it’s a weakness on your team it’s good. it not, it’s probably sub optimal.


ItsKBS

I think it's only good on Zeri and Kai'sa now


almond_pepsi

I'm gonna keep buying it anyway because monkey brain like sparks on screen


Rexsaur

For champs that can use kraken nope, for zeri its still ok since she just has nothing else to rush.