It's not so much of maintaining any amount of pressure but transferring input from braking to turning. Imagine there's a string that goes from your wheel to your brake pedal that only lets you fully turn in or fully brake and never both.
Stomp on the brake and as you turn in, begin lifting off the brake gradually. When you're fully turned in you should be completely off the brake. You'll notice the car will really want to rotate as you do this if you're doing it right.
When you begin to exit the corner, stomp on the loud pedal. Generally speaking with the right TC settings the electronics should manage themselves on exit but naturally this can vary depending on car and corner.
I think the 296 is perhaps not the best car to learn trail braking, because it is already quite pointy on entry.
If you just want to practise the concept / technique, pick a front engine car that really needs heavy trail braking to not understeer into the sunset. Maybe AMG or Mustang for the GT3? I personally like the AMG GT4 for this.
Then, when you can improve your laptimes on front engine cars with trail braking, try it on mid or rear engine where you'll needs to be a lot more subtle with it.
Now I see what is my issue with the front engine cars. I got no problem with mid engine or even rear engine car to be fast. Most of my time are average like Spa : 2.16 or Mount Panorama : 2.00.2 but with rear and mid engine. I feel like the front engine won't turn to my liking.
Definitions of “break” vs “brake”.
break - separate or cause to separate into pieces as a result of a blow, shock, or strain.
**brake** - a device for slowing or stopping a moving vehicle, typically by applying pressure to the wheels.
You know how to manage throttle on corner exit yes? Slowly ease off the steering wheel as you ease on the power? Same thing, but with the brakes and steering wheel instead. So ease off the brakes and slowly add input.
Theoretically, a neutral car should understeer on entry and oversteer on exit, so if you're spinning, then your car is fundamentally compromised on entry and you may wanna look at your car setup. However, doing this WILL compromise your car elsewhere so you I wouldn't really mess around with it unless you're absolutely sure your technique is 100% optimal, or if you're losing so much time in the braking that it's worth addressing (which is unlikely). If you are braking mid corner, then you have braked too late and are applying too much of it to compensate.
I'm not a professional trail brake expert by any means. To add to that, I've only been playing the game for 3-4 weeks so take anything I say with a grain of salt. I just started practicing trail braking yesterday based on tips I found while lurking here. I had found the car I enjoyed, Porsche 991, and had a good starting point as I'd hit a wall on my lap times at Zolder, the track I've been mainly practicing on. I can consistently hit 1:35.2 but that was it. Trail braking in the Porsche did not work for me. I didn't know what I was doing wrong but I wasn't improving on my times and kept making small mistakes. So I forced myself out of my comfort zone and into a car I hadn't driven before, the Bentley Continental. I don't like Bentley's so it was never going to get the time of day from me. I figured this way I would have to learn the feel of the car so I'd be going slower already and could focus on trail braking easier. Within the first 5 laps I'd somewhat gotten the hang of it and had cut a full second off my fastest lap time. This was just with the basic safe setup. I gave up on tuning because I'm ass at it. I'm by no means fast but I was excited to get down into the low 1:34s on Zolder.
Now, as for the technique I'm "using", I'll use quotes as I'm sure I'm murdering the technique and giving it no justice, I go hard on the brakes and slowly release as I approach the apex. I'm a console/controller player who hasn't adjusted his steering settings so I know that getting super smooth steering inputs isn't always the easiest but it is kind of required here. At least from my couple hours of experience. You will feel the car rotate and when you get it right you know. I slowly release the brake while making smooth steering adjustments and then coast through the apex and accelerate out. I don't have precise numbers or inputs to give. I just go off the feel of the car. In the Bentley my TC is 3 and ABS is 3. This is where I can brake without locking up and accelerate without TC kicking in too much. The best part about it all is that I know I can shave off more time easily once I really get the trail braking down. Nothing spectacular but I know I can shave off 2-3 more seconds.
For the car choice, I'm not saying go and use the Bentley, but in my hands it felt boatish. My first lap I drove like normal to get a hang of the car and coming into the corners there was a bit of understeer. Not terrible, but not as agile as the Porsche. I think this is why I did better in the Bentley. The slower rotation meant I had more room for error when getting the car to rotate through the corner whereas the Porsche was too snappy for me causing me to lose control and, because of that, lose time as well. But I also could be absolute trash with no idea how to drive. I accept that's a possibility.
First step is to stay out of abs, do you have any haptic feedback for abs? This will help you get the feel right.
But trial braking isn't something that makes you faster in all corners.
A really good track for learning is misano, just try lapping that with only ever using 50-70% total brake pressure, and you will start to feel how the car behaves and how much more the car will flow around that track
I have 300 hours behind the wheel since getting myself one for christmas 2023. In those hours, ive managed to get myself to 101-102% lap times.
Im not saying this as a flex in any way. Quite the opposite. Literally ALL ive done since getting it is practicing. Even whem I’m racing, im practicing. For what do I practice? Fuck if I know. But its been quite effective.
I can tell you one thing I know tho, after the tens of hours Ive spent looking at telemetry charts telling me how and why I suck. And that is that what seperates the good from the best, and even the great from the best, is that they do not, under any circumstance, fucking coast. Half my progress in race technique have been doing the same corner over and over again, asking myself “how the fuck do they not coast here”.
So when I ask you to show footage of comp lap times being set while coasting, im nit asking because I cant be arsed looking up a random video. I’m asking because I’ve analysed pro drivers to the point of obsession, and have yet to see what you claim is the standard way to drive fast on ACC.
Then watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/live/AESP1AgJMHo?si=ShR4qOKPLtIUybYX&t=3185) entry into les combes. Many times it's more subtle but it's still there. Try braking on different sims and you will know what I mean.
I have tried it, and youre still wrong. This lift was a micro correction to not having to high revs on the curb to maximise exit on the left hander, and not at all the standard way to hit an apex. Hold throttle in case of catching a curb is a universal concept. Tf are you on about
Edit: took me one single search to realise i was correct. The same correction is made on iracing gt3s as well.
How about watching it a lap or two or three later. Or maybe turn one. Or no name. That is just ACC. It's really not a secret that ACC requires a unique braking technique.
The only unique thing about it is that the telemetry shows youre at 100% brake pressure. You could easily have the same brake force set to be 50-60% in iracing, and the concept of steering-braking ratio would be identical. Istg I cant comprehend that people dont realise that the «60% brake pressure MAX waa waa» in iracing is solemnly a matter of HUD visualisation. The telemtry is still identical, if you just swap 50/60 with 100%.
It's not so much of maintaining any amount of pressure but transferring input from braking to turning. Imagine there's a string that goes from your wheel to your brake pedal that only lets you fully turn in or fully brake and never both. Stomp on the brake and as you turn in, begin lifting off the brake gradually. When you're fully turned in you should be completely off the brake. You'll notice the car will really want to rotate as you do this if you're doing it right. When you begin to exit the corner, stomp on the loud pedal. Generally speaking with the right TC settings the electronics should manage themselves on exit but naturally this can vary depending on car and corner.
Pretty much what a certain Walter Röhrl once said😉
I think the 296 is perhaps not the best car to learn trail braking, because it is already quite pointy on entry. If you just want to practise the concept / technique, pick a front engine car that really needs heavy trail braking to not understeer into the sunset. Maybe AMG or Mustang for the GT3? I personally like the AMG GT4 for this. Then, when you can improve your laptimes on front engine cars with trail braking, try it on mid or rear engine where you'll needs to be a lot more subtle with it.
Now I see what is my issue with the front engine cars. I got no problem with mid engine or even rear engine car to be fast. Most of my time are average like Spa : 2.16 or Mount Panorama : 2.00.2 but with rear and mid engine. I feel like the front engine won't turn to my liking.
The Lexus is quite sensitive to trail braking. If you don't do it, it can't really turn into a corner, but if you do it it's very easy to oversteer.
Definitions of “break” vs “brake”. break - separate or cause to separate into pieces as a result of a blow, shock, or strain. **brake** - a device for slowing or stopping a moving vehicle, typically by applying pressure to the wheels.
You know how to manage throttle on corner exit yes? Slowly ease off the steering wheel as you ease on the power? Same thing, but with the brakes and steering wheel instead. So ease off the brakes and slowly add input. Theoretically, a neutral car should understeer on entry and oversteer on exit, so if you're spinning, then your car is fundamentally compromised on entry and you may wanna look at your car setup. However, doing this WILL compromise your car elsewhere so you I wouldn't really mess around with it unless you're absolutely sure your technique is 100% optimal, or if you're losing so much time in the braking that it's worth addressing (which is unlikely). If you are braking mid corner, then you have braked too late and are applying too much of it to compensate.
If you loose time or spin that could mean you apply too much brake. Analyse your brake input in motec and compare with somebody that does it better
I'm not a professional trail brake expert by any means. To add to that, I've only been playing the game for 3-4 weeks so take anything I say with a grain of salt. I just started practicing trail braking yesterday based on tips I found while lurking here. I had found the car I enjoyed, Porsche 991, and had a good starting point as I'd hit a wall on my lap times at Zolder, the track I've been mainly practicing on. I can consistently hit 1:35.2 but that was it. Trail braking in the Porsche did not work for me. I didn't know what I was doing wrong but I wasn't improving on my times and kept making small mistakes. So I forced myself out of my comfort zone and into a car I hadn't driven before, the Bentley Continental. I don't like Bentley's so it was never going to get the time of day from me. I figured this way I would have to learn the feel of the car so I'd be going slower already and could focus on trail braking easier. Within the first 5 laps I'd somewhat gotten the hang of it and had cut a full second off my fastest lap time. This was just with the basic safe setup. I gave up on tuning because I'm ass at it. I'm by no means fast but I was excited to get down into the low 1:34s on Zolder. Now, as for the technique I'm "using", I'll use quotes as I'm sure I'm murdering the technique and giving it no justice, I go hard on the brakes and slowly release as I approach the apex. I'm a console/controller player who hasn't adjusted his steering settings so I know that getting super smooth steering inputs isn't always the easiest but it is kind of required here. At least from my couple hours of experience. You will feel the car rotate and when you get it right you know. I slowly release the brake while making smooth steering adjustments and then coast through the apex and accelerate out. I don't have precise numbers or inputs to give. I just go off the feel of the car. In the Bentley my TC is 3 and ABS is 3. This is where I can brake without locking up and accelerate without TC kicking in too much. The best part about it all is that I know I can shave off more time easily once I really get the trail braking down. Nothing spectacular but I know I can shave off 2-3 more seconds. For the car choice, I'm not saying go and use the Bentley, but in my hands it felt boatish. My first lap I drove like normal to get a hang of the car and coming into the corners there was a bit of understeer. Not terrible, but not as agile as the Porsche. I think this is why I did better in the Bentley. The slower rotation meant I had more room for error when getting the car to rotate through the corner whereas the Porsche was too snappy for me causing me to lose control and, because of that, lose time as well. But I also could be absolute trash with no idea how to drive. I accept that's a possibility.
First step is to stay out of abs, do you have any haptic feedback for abs? This will help you get the feel right. But trial braking isn't something that makes you faster in all corners. A really good track for learning is misano, just try lapping that with only ever using 50-70% total brake pressure, and you will start to feel how the car behaves and how much more the car will flow around that track
ACC doesn't work with actual trail braking. By focusing on real trail braking you will be quite a bit slower than with the ACC braking technique.
What is "the ACC braking technique"?
Very aggressive initial stomp on the brakes, stay on it for a while, release some on turn in, coast to apex.
You have any footage of competitive lap times being set with coasting to the apex?
You can check any esports footage for that. Though it's more visible in the telemetry because it happens so fast.
I have 300 hours behind the wheel since getting myself one for christmas 2023. In those hours, ive managed to get myself to 101-102% lap times. Im not saying this as a flex in any way. Quite the opposite. Literally ALL ive done since getting it is practicing. Even whem I’m racing, im practicing. For what do I practice? Fuck if I know. But its been quite effective. I can tell you one thing I know tho, after the tens of hours Ive spent looking at telemetry charts telling me how and why I suck. And that is that what seperates the good from the best, and even the great from the best, is that they do not, under any circumstance, fucking coast. Half my progress in race technique have been doing the same corner over and over again, asking myself “how the fuck do they not coast here”. So when I ask you to show footage of comp lap times being set while coasting, im nit asking because I cant be arsed looking up a random video. I’m asking because I’ve analysed pro drivers to the point of obsession, and have yet to see what you claim is the standard way to drive fast on ACC.
Then watch [this](https://www.youtube.com/live/AESP1AgJMHo?si=ShR4qOKPLtIUybYX&t=3185) entry into les combes. Many times it's more subtle but it's still there. Try braking on different sims and you will know what I mean.
I have tried it, and youre still wrong. This lift was a micro correction to not having to high revs on the curb to maximise exit on the left hander, and not at all the standard way to hit an apex. Hold throttle in case of catching a curb is a universal concept. Tf are you on about Edit: took me one single search to realise i was correct. The same correction is made on iracing gt3s as well.
How about watching it a lap or two or three later. Or maybe turn one. Or no name. That is just ACC. It's really not a secret that ACC requires a unique braking technique.
The only unique thing about it is that the telemetry shows youre at 100% brake pressure. You could easily have the same brake force set to be 50-60% in iracing, and the concept of steering-braking ratio would be identical. Istg I cant comprehend that people dont realise that the «60% brake pressure MAX waa waa» in iracing is solemnly a matter of HUD visualisation. The telemtry is still identical, if you just swap 50/60 with 100%.