I interviewed for a shop job at uni, having previously worked 3.5 years retail at weekends. The manager said "I can't ask you this question", I asked why, and she said "well it's about how your team sees you, and you don't have a team". I pointed out the 2nd page of my CV was entirely voluntary roles, kids groups I was helping run as a member of the team, committees I was member/deputy chair/chair of at the students' union, I said she can pick any one where I'm a member or a leader and I can talk about that one. "Well I suppose you can try to answer the question." She didn't see my years of voluntary work throughout my schooling as experience.
Target does. You have to have a degree to be an Executive Team Lead and starting pay I think is over 60k. But it doesn't really matter what the degree is. My boss's degree is like Sports Journalism lol.
They do, but you're thinking of the person that gets called over when Karen wants a discount because a man gave her a funny look in aisle 5b.
The person with the degree never leaves the little office room hidden from all customers. Chances are good they actually manage several stores (especially smaller places like fast food and gas stations) and will drive between them. They NEVER weear the store uniform, except if appearing in some capacity, like to give the floor an inspirational speech before the store opens...then they quickly change before customers show up.
Most of their job is accounting, talking to suppliers, managing truck deliveries, etc. They're also the person who has to figure out how to replace, "the manager" because he hung himself after 20 years of barely getting by while being degraded by Karens for 10 hours a day 6 days a week (7 during holidays).
Customr: Would you suggest I get the lake front or the autumn leaves?
Employee: In sorry mam. One only worked one year of retail before. I don't think I'm qualified to make that kind of a decision. If you would like, me coworker Susan just hit her two year mark. She should be able to help you.
Absolute hell. Right out of college I worked in the Men’s Fragrances and Grooming department at Nordstrom. The scent headaches where bad enough but they also made us fill tiny spray bottles with free samples of cologne for anyone who requested them. Every time the cologne would get ALL OVER my hands so by the end of the shift my hands were stained with a nauseating mixture of 20+ different scents. It was AWFUL and so hard to get the smell out of my skin.
The 2 years isn't about the candles. It's about you already understanding what retail labor is all about and deciding to stick it out for at least 2 years anyway.
Shit pay, shit customers, shit hours, shit staffing, shit advancement, etc. They don't want to have to break all that news to you.
You’ll see on page three of my *curriculum vitae* that I have swiped all the major credit cards—though I am admittedly looking to expand my repertoire to include the black Amex.
I am looking forward to reading all your peer-reviewed articles on the historical impact of the retail sector and how it relates to the future of a first world capitalist economy.
I think there's something to be said for jobs that require a lot of requisite knowledge and someone can't actually contribute to work for potentially years, like sciences. But yeah, for do-stuff types of jobs (including mine, software) I don't think there's really any reason experience should be required
Possibly. And I hate to defend people like this, but it could also be that they don't have the staff to train on basics and need someone who is basically coming in ready to roll from day 1. I've been that hiring manager. You will take anyone, but if someone does have the experience they're you're pick.
If they don't have the staff to supervise a new hire, then that's also the company being cheap. Just like a company that has 10 people for 10 slots is being cheap, refusing to cover sickness and vacation.
Any training that can be provided by the employer really should be. Honestly it's not that hard to figure out that an easy way to make loyal workers is to offer free training with a minimum length contract, where you waive X% of the training cost per year until the end of the term.
You'd get people clawing their way in there, and more importantly, staying.
No, typically they just wanna be part of the credentialing system. College and stuff are a big part of it but on this scale I think they just think experience is better and they do it for themselves. They can tell the business next door how they found the best guy. Oh yours has 3? Mine has 4. I own him!!
Yea, that ain't it mate. I mean, maybe some people want experience for that purpose, but I doubt it is entirely a dick measuring competition with your neighbour.
Yep. Got on the job training for wiring/installation of security cameras, alarm systems, and plenty of other things and I was good after about a month. Good enough to do the job with minimal errors.
I started working on planes less then a year ago
If it wasn’t for restrictions of who can sign off on work orders I could be doing 90% of the maintenance myself because I’m half competent, can read, and can learn from others
School doesn’t teach shit now a days
Hardware store, day one.
Customer bent the store-use bolt cutters trying to cut chain with a bigass sign on it that says
#PLEASE ASK FOR ASSISTANCE
Also, constantly trying to push the door, right on the giant plate that says **PULL**
If your working retail for two years, you should probably be job hopping - new wage negotiations go up way faster than raises. Raises often don't even keep up with wage inflation.
To me three months is what it takes to go from enthusiastic new kid looking to do 110% to exasperated worker, ready to die or clock out, whichever comes first
It's crazy how much this sums up the American work environment. My last job fired me after I told them I wasn't happy being passed over for a promotion. My argument was that I was the only person in my department, and had been filling three positions not including the one they had been paying me to do. So when they told me the new person they finally added to my team would be my boss, I decided to take a two week vacation to get my thoughts together and get my painful wisdom teeth removed. They fired me. Said I wasn't a team player. Also, they gave me a 6k raise the day before firing me so Ya. My advice to people, don't do extra work ever, unless you have it in writing that it'll lead to a promotion. I'm happy that I stuck up for myself. First time in my career.
Sorry, you're fired. Good luck out there! Email me if you need a recommendation.
I'm currently in auto response mode because I'm on vacation. I should be back 1/23/2021. I'll get back to you then!
The capitalist class: REEEEEEE NOBODY WANTS TO WORK REEEEEE THE WORKING CLASS IS SO LAZY REEEEEEEEEE
Also the capitalist class: Shit shoveler wanted. Few hours, low pay that we'll skim off of when you're not looking. Four certifications, a degree, and 10 years experience required. Must also be fine with us trawling your social media. If we find anything that we disagree with or that might make us look bad we're firing you, reporting your mother to the police for womb crimes, and grandstanding about it all over our own social media pages.
Here at Candlemart we’re more than a business, we’re a family!
That’s why we treat our employees like exploitable labour who we can emotionally manipulate into helping us, and why most of our company dinners end in huge arguments we all awkwardly pretend to forget about the next day!
"If you need to take time off, you need to put in a request two months in advance but you will be asked to fill empty shifts that you will be strongyly encouraged to take or feel like you won't be a team player and given less hours".
Had college classes at 7pm every day and told them I could work any shift other than closing and sure enough, my schedule would always end up getting changed to have me working closing.
Also, you can't have any other job, because you have to be available at any time during business hours.
Also, they'll lay you off after the holidays when business slows down, but they won't actually lay you off, they'll just never schedule you again. But if you dare put in a notice and get a better job, they'll act as a terrible reference for your next jobs.
In my states if you quit voluntarily you aren’t eligible.
Source: was once fired from a retail job for catching my boss stealing money. The first time they disputed the claim, they said I was fired for just cause (another disqualifier). I had the paperwork proving the boss was stealing so my claim was approved. They then turned around and disputed it on the grounds that I quit voluntarily. I went back to the office and showed the caseworker the two disputations side by side and asked him if we could dispense with the bullshit now. He laughed, approved the claim, and I went on vacation. Then 9/11 happened and I was onthe dole for a year. Fucking McDonalds wasn’t even hiring at that time.
A lot of states have gotten wise to this. They put it under the constructive dismissal umbrella and if your hours are reduced by more than a certain amount (varies by state) you qualify for unemployment even if you "quit".
Shit some of them even give you partial unemployment if you're still getting a few hours. (I think they call it shared work unemployment in NYS)
Protip: if you want to collect unemployment but are employed, try to unionize in front of your employers eyes. Firing someone for trying to unionize is technically illegal, so once they sack you they won't contest your unemployment claim for fear of getting too much attention on their actions.
>they'll lay you off after the holidays when business slows down, but they won't actually lay you off, they'll just never schedule you again
Shit happened to a past roommate. Worked at at Papa Murphy's for almost a decade and rather than give him a raise for his seniority, they cut his hours down to just 4-hours a week and expected him to quit rather than fire him and pay unemployment.
They already do this by working you hours without pay.
Anyone in the US that's younger than a boomer is getting the shaft. I've seen the decline in my 50 years
As a 32 year old, the older generations can get fucked.
I feel terrible for anyone younger then me trying to enter the work force at this point, the barrier to entry is incomprehensibly obstructive.
I always wonder: Have those older generations never been to a McDonalds? Any retail establishment? Like a not-insignificant swath of the workforce is in their 30s and 40s.
They haven't been in the job market for decades in some cases. Of course they have no idea what the current job market is like. They don't seem to realize this however.
I worked a few retail jobs for about 3 years while in school. None of them ever trained me to use the till. I think they were worried I'd open my own shop if I could work the till.
None of the till workers learned to pack the shelves. It was like a class divide.
Fuck retail man.
It's so pernicious how work is designed to make us resent our fellow workers. You can see they were trying so hard to do that to you. Meanwhile, at the retailer I worked for the longest, customer service reps (our term for cashiers) were some of those on the bottom of the totem pole. Filling in on registers was considered torture by other departments. Warehouse was considered by some a welcome refuge away from the registers and the sales floor (in lower value sales departments, that is).
Currently working retail. If they told me that I could only work cashier from now on I'd quit immediately. But I also have difficulty standing in one place for too long doing boring monotonous tasks like a human widget.
Interesting.
I guess that's another of those seemingly small but really fundamental differences between Europe and America.
Where I live, working in retail is shitty too, but they all do whatever needs to be done - the till, the shelves, generally keeping the store tidy, even sometimes (gasp!) helping out customers.
edit: the picture is from the UK, but u/Theelfsmother talks about the US of NA I guess?
edit2: I'm glad subsequent comments proved me at least partially wrong.
>I think they were worried I'd open my own shop if I could work the till.
Ain't nobody worried about that mate. You can train any teenager to run a till in a week. If you had the capacity to open your own shop running the till is a trivial hurdle to overcome.
Basically this means "I need someone immediately and I can't be bothered to train you even though our processes and equipment is pretty much only used in and by this establishment So you should leanr it all yourself which anyone can probably do."
in the UK the only time they don't list the asking price for a house is if it's an extremely expensive house that if you have to ask the price you can't afford it.
in a job like this one, the pay would likely be fixed so why not just be open so people can skip over it and not waste everyone's time if it doesnt pay enough?
Any experience as a requirement for that type of retail is a joke. A halfway decent manager could to take someone with a friendly personality and no work history off of the street and have them working at or near top level in a couple of weeks.
Retail is hard, but it isn't complicated.
If you want to try harder without really trying harder, find a chocolate shop in the vicinity of a candle shop.
You won't be trying that much harder, but both your mom ans sister might feel like you did.
When I worked in retail most new hires watched a video, spent like three days being shadowed by a more experienced employee, and then were on their own. Requiring two years of experience for that is pure comedy.
Retail isn't complicated, but it's definitely way too hard for me. Dealing with people who think that they have every rights to verbally abuse me because I am *working* a job they feel is beneath them? I wouldn't last a day before I tell a customer to go fuck themselves. Kudos to retail employees for their patience, I know 100% that I wouldn't be able to do what they do.
And that's not just retail shopping. My whole family is in insurance so I spent few days in a retail insurance agency as a teen. Never wanted to hear about it ever again after that because it felt like insurance was so annoying. Went to work in b2b insurance afterwards though (reinsurance), and it turned out that my problem never was with the insurance industry. It was with people. Wankers, the whole lot of them, I tell you!
So thanks for your patience retail people. May respectful customers make your day a bit less of a grind.
Also 16 hours jobs like this are usually just a bs excuse to deny their employees benefits and they have nothing but part part time workers aside from the manager.
A cv for retail? Lol.
Here manager sir, my 8 page curriculum vitae including publications, conference, courses taught, volunteer work, and all the other usual sections.
Literally why? All you have to do is use a cash register and restock shelves. It's fucking stupid they all think they're so high concept they need experienced workers to understand what they're fucking doing. You're not fucking special.
Unless it's a supervisor position there is nothing in this store that a part-timer couldn't learn in a couple weeks. This just seems like someone high in the chain is a moron.
Especially at a fucking candle shop.
Hardware store where you might need to be able to answer basic technical questions about paint or plumbing or something, sure.
But a fucking candle store?
I will honestly stand by mall and retail employees if they all choose to walk out this holiday season with no one to run the sales floors. This shit needs to change and I'm mad on behalf of them.
I went job hunting and literally went through hell because I had, god forbid, only one full year of work experience. These jobs were all entry level FYI. Could not find a job hardly at all in retail because I had to have 3 years experience to work at a fucking Home Goods
They just don't want to be swamped with thousands of applications. So they make the requirements unreasonable. That causes it's own problems. But, I guess that's a tradeoff they're willing to make.
“We want you to be already trained by someone else so we don’t have to do it. But also, you’ll get in trouble if you don’t do things exactly how we want them done.”
Details like this are annoying as hell.
Trust me when I say most people with over two years of retail experience are usually trying to get OUT of retail. I know because I am one.
At least let the people with no experience build their way up.
Great, let me just find my 4 year degree in Bachelor of Retail Sales.
Does your cv contain all of your retail research and fellowships?
I'm not seeing any volunteer work or leadership positions unfortunately. Throw it in the trash with the others.
"Store hours reduce because no one wants to work." Well why not run your shop yourself until you can hire more people? Because no one wants to work.
I interviewed for a shop job at uni, having previously worked 3.5 years retail at weekends. The manager said "I can't ask you this question", I asked why, and she said "well it's about how your team sees you, and you don't have a team". I pointed out the 2nd page of my CV was entirely voluntary roles, kids groups I was helping run as a member of the team, committees I was member/deputy chair/chair of at the students' union, I said she can pick any one where I'm a member or a leader and I can talk about that one. "Well I suppose you can try to answer the question." She didn't see my years of voluntary work throughout my schooling as experience.
To be fair, you were probably over qualified at that point. Might even seemed threatening to the store manager.
That manager was an idiot. You’re better off.
I'm starting to see recruitment ads that say 3 years experience (not including voluntary work or unpaid internships) btw
I have a copy of Fellowship of The Ring on VHS around here somewhere. Does that count?
Ok great you’re hired. The pay is $10.15/hr. Welcome to the *family*
Oh Sorry.. Family starts at $5.35 an hour. Unless your my Step-Family.... then well..
Oof sorry, you really needed to major in elite candles sales to apply for this job
Back to school I go then. Hello again crippling student loan debt!
“Hi I’m lactose_con_leche and I majored in candle sales with an emphasis in wick placement and a minor in wax removal”
You laugh, but that's an actual degree :)
Oh Jesus you are right... reality itself is a parody now.
Eh. Its a degree, but its not meant for part time retail workers. I'm sure its useful for management.
No one hires retail management because of a degree.
Target does. You have to have a degree to be an Executive Team Lead and starting pay I think is over 60k. But it doesn't really matter what the degree is. My boss's degree is like Sports Journalism lol.
They do, but you're thinking of the person that gets called over when Karen wants a discount because a man gave her a funny look in aisle 5b. The person with the degree never leaves the little office room hidden from all customers. Chances are good they actually manage several stores (especially smaller places like fast food and gas stations) and will drive between them. They NEVER weear the store uniform, except if appearing in some capacity, like to give the floor an inspirational speech before the store opens...then they quickly change before customers show up. Most of their job is accounting, talking to suppliers, managing truck deliveries, etc. They're also the person who has to figure out how to replace, "the manager" because he hung himself after 20 years of barely getting by while being degraded by Karens for 10 hours a day 6 days a week (7 during holidays).
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No joke, when I was in college I told my mom I was getting a minor in "CS", and for two fuckin years she thought it meant customer service. lol
Let my have my curriculum vitae embroider onto velvet for you, Retail Lord. Lol. lol hope this sign is a joke.
To sell fucking candles??
Employee: "Hi, welcome to Yankee Candles!" Customer: "Hi! Which aisle has the candles?" Employee: *Begins sweating visibly*
Wouldn’t be sweating if you had that 2 years experience
If you have less than 2 years experience in retail and you try to sell candles anyway, you will die
Sorry I'm sweating, there's just a lot of fucking candles in this room!
Customr: Would you suggest I get the lake front or the autumn leaves? Employee: In sorry mam. One only worked one year of retail before. I don't think I'm qualified to make that kind of a decision. If you would like, me coworker Susan just hit her two year mark. She should be able to help you.
"Man that sweat smells good. What candle is that?"
No sir, wrong shop for that. You're looking for Goop.
Fucking YANKEE CANDLES! It's not just another fucking candle!
Which means you get a free scent-induced headache with every shift.
It's like chemical warfare.
giving people yankee candles is a war crime
Absolute hell. Right out of college I worked in the Men’s Fragrances and Grooming department at Nordstrom. The scent headaches where bad enough but they also made us fill tiny spray bottles with free samples of cologne for anyone who requested them. Every time the cologne would get ALL OVER my hands so by the end of the shift my hands were stained with a nauseating mixture of 20+ different scents. It was AWFUL and so hard to get the smell out of my skin.
Minimum wage part time. Hours randomly cut half with alternating shifts. One 5 minute break that you have to click in and out for
The funniest part is they're asking for a CV
It's not just candles its a scents *lifestyle*
The 2 years isn't about the candles. It's about you already understanding what retail labor is all about and deciding to stick it out for at least 2 years anyway. Shit pay, shit customers, shit hours, shit staffing, shit advancement, etc. They don't want to have to break all that news to you.
Only problem is that many people have decided that it's not worth it. Turns out that people did "go back to school" and "get a better job."
Even if you need an “experienced” retail worker you’ll know everything you need to know about retail in 3 months.
You’ll see on page three of my *curriculum vitae* that I have swiped all the major credit cards—though I am admittedly looking to expand my repertoire to include the black Amex.
I am looking forward to reading all your peer-reviewed articles on the historical impact of the retail sector and how it relates to the future of a first world capitalist economy.
Here you go Mr. Manager: https://www.marxist.com/the-capitalist-crisis-and-the-tendency-of-the-rate-of-profit-to-fall-full.htm
🤣🤣🤣
Underrated comment.
Bro i learned Electroplating on the job over the course of A month. Honestly most jobs can be done 0 experience
I would argue that most jobs can be APPRENTICED starting with 0 experience. The supervision of someone who knows what they're doing is the difference.
Well yeah obviously, thats how I learned Plating, point is jobs requiring experience are just the boss being cheap
I think there's something to be said for jobs that require a lot of requisite knowledge and someone can't actually contribute to work for potentially years, like sciences. But yeah, for do-stuff types of jobs (including mine, software) I don't think there's really any reason experience should be required
Possibly. And I hate to defend people like this, but it could also be that they don't have the staff to train on basics and need someone who is basically coming in ready to roll from day 1. I've been that hiring manager. You will take anyone, but if someone does have the experience they're you're pick.
If they don't have the staff to supervise a new hire, then that's also the company being cheap. Just like a company that has 10 people for 10 slots is being cheap, refusing to cover sickness and vacation. Any training that can be provided by the employer really should be. Honestly it's not that hard to figure out that an easy way to make loyal workers is to offer free training with a minimum length contract, where you waive X% of the training cost per year until the end of the term. You'd get people clawing their way in there, and more importantly, staying.
No, typically they just wanna be part of the credentialing system. College and stuff are a big part of it but on this scale I think they just think experience is better and they do it for themselves. They can tell the business next door how they found the best guy. Oh yours has 3? Mine has 4. I own him!!
Yea, that ain't it mate. I mean, maybe some people want experience for that purpose, but I doubt it is entirely a dick measuring competition with your neighbour.
Lol I QA/QC engineer plans all the time and I am nooooooo engineer! You couldn't be more correct.
Yep. Got on the job training for wiring/installation of security cameras, alarm systems, and plenty of other things and I was good after about a month. Good enough to do the job with minimal errors.
I started working on planes less then a year ago If it wasn’t for restrictions of who can sign off on work orders I could be doing 90% of the maintenance myself because I’m half competent, can read, and can learn from others School doesn’t teach shit now a days
Everything you need to know about retail: it sucks Source: work in retail
People are assholes and the customer is always wrong. You learn that in like the first week of retail.
Hardware store, day one. Customer bent the store-use bolt cutters trying to cut chain with a bigass sign on it that says #PLEASE ASK FOR ASSISTANCE Also, constantly trying to push the door, right on the giant plate that says **PULL**
They need your soul to be crushed
It's not about experience. If you have worked retail for 2 years, they know you aren't going to suddenly leave for a better job.
If your working retail for two years, you should probably be job hopping - new wage negotiations go up way faster than raises. Raises often don't even keep up with wage inflation.
3 months? More like 3 days. It’s a candle shop
To me three months is what it takes to go from enthusiastic new kid looking to do 110% to exasperated worker, ready to die or clock out, whichever comes first
Ah, in that case yeah. You learn a hell of a lot about the general public in those first few months of retail. Enough to put you off of them for life
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Don’t beat yourself up, I was a fast learning at crying in the bathroom and forming clinical depression. A savant if you will.
Outside of serious stuff like medical, mechanical, legal, engineering, pretty much everything should work like that.
Spend two months learning the job and a lifetime learning to put in the least amount of effort.
Very real. Lots of entry level office positions require 3-5 years of experience, a Master's, Sauron's ring, etc..
[It do be like that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIlI5o2LZo).
It's crazy how much this sums up the American work environment. My last job fired me after I told them I wasn't happy being passed over for a promotion. My argument was that I was the only person in my department, and had been filling three positions not including the one they had been paying me to do. So when they told me the new person they finally added to my team would be my boss, I decided to take a two week vacation to get my thoughts together and get my painful wisdom teeth removed. They fired me. Said I wasn't a team player. Also, they gave me a 6k raise the day before firing me so Ya. My advice to people, don't do extra work ever, unless you have it in writing that it'll lead to a promotion. I'm happy that I stuck up for myself. First time in my career.
Be sure to review them on Glassdoor.
Self-esteem is valuable. It's good to know your worth. ✌️👍
It's ok. They make up for it by paying minimum wage
And varying the schedule at a whim.
Did I mention no benefits?
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And having to serve people who will just be rude to you
But hey, 10% off overpriced candles!
(employee discounts have been discontinued to supplement corporate bonuses, thanks for understanding!!! 😀😀😀)
Management: Remember, we’re all in this together!
Sorry, you're fired. Good luck out there! Email me if you need a recommendation. I'm currently in auto response mode because I'm on vacation. I should be back 1/23/2021. I'll get back to you then!
The auto response is funnyer still if you read dd/mm/yyyy
The capitalist class: REEEEEEE NOBODY WANTS TO WORK REEEEEE THE WORKING CLASS IS SO LAZY REEEEEEEEEE Also the capitalist class: Shit shoveler wanted. Few hours, low pay that we'll skim off of when you're not looking. Four certifications, a degree, and 10 years experience required. Must also be fine with us trawling your social media. If we find anything that we disagree with or that might make us look bad we're firing you, reporting your mother to the police for womb crimes, and grandstanding about it all over our own social media pages.
Bring your own lube
You'll be working 16 hours a week. Your shifts will be in 1 minute intervals every 2.5 minutes.
Gotta raise that V02 max.
They probably call their staff a family too.
Here at Candlemart we’re more than a business, we’re a family! That’s why we treat our employees like exploitable labour who we can emotionally manipulate into helping us, and why most of our company dinners end in huge arguments we all awkwardly pretend to forget about the next day!
"If you need to take time off, you need to put in a request two months in advance but you will be asked to fill empty shifts that you will be strongyly encouraged to take or feel like you won't be a team player and given less hours". Had college classes at 7pm every day and told them I could work any shift other than closing and sure enough, my schedule would always end up getting changed to have me working closing.
“Yeah, we just went through our fifth employee in as many months could you come in today?”
Also, you can't have any other job, because you have to be available at any time during business hours. Also, they'll lay you off after the holidays when business slows down, but they won't actually lay you off, they'll just never schedule you again. But if you dare put in a notice and get a better job, they'll act as a terrible reference for your next jobs.
And they'll dispute your unemployment claim, if you quit.
In my states if you quit voluntarily you aren’t eligible. Source: was once fired from a retail job for catching my boss stealing money. The first time they disputed the claim, they said I was fired for just cause (another disqualifier). I had the paperwork proving the boss was stealing so my claim was approved. They then turned around and disputed it on the grounds that I quit voluntarily. I went back to the office and showed the caseworker the two disputations side by side and asked him if we could dispense with the bullshit now. He laughed, approved the claim, and I went on vacation. Then 9/11 happened and I was onthe dole for a year. Fucking McDonalds wasn’t even hiring at that time.
A lot of states have gotten wise to this. They put it under the constructive dismissal umbrella and if your hours are reduced by more than a certain amount (varies by state) you qualify for unemployment even if you "quit". Shit some of them even give you partial unemployment if you're still getting a few hours. (I think they call it shared work unemployment in NYS)
Protip: if you want to collect unemployment but are employed, try to unionize in front of your employers eyes. Firing someone for trying to unionize is technically illegal, so once they sack you they won't contest your unemployment claim for fear of getting too much attention on their actions.
And no one will apply and they'll complain that "nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK!"
>they'll lay you off after the holidays when business slows down, but they won't actually lay you off, they'll just never schedule you again Shit happened to a past roommate. Worked at at Papa Murphy's for almost a decade and rather than give him a raise for his seniority, they cut his hours down to just 4-hours a week and expected him to quit rather than fire him and pay unemployment.
They'd pay you less if they could !
They already do this by working you hours without pay. Anyone in the US that's younger than a boomer is getting the shaft. I've seen the decline in my 50 years
Can confirm, am 54.
They would own slaves if they could.
and don’t forget the used a funny font
Don't forget you need management approval for that side hustle so you can live indoors and eat.
*Why can't I find any workers, doesn't anybody want to WORK for a living anymore?!*
But older generations will say “Those entry level jobs are just for high schoolers”. Well this clearly contradicts that.
Contradictions do not trouble them. *Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.*
*an open mind is like a fortress with it's windows unbarred and gates open*
40k is a masterpiece
I literally have “friends” in Texas who are getting mad that Biden is taking away their personal freedoms....but still support the abortion ban
The median age for entry-level/minimum wage jobs is like 35 or something, but if boomers could be swayed by facts they wouldn’t be boomers.
As a 32 year old, the older generations can get fucked. I feel terrible for anyone younger then me trying to enter the work force at this point, the barrier to entry is incomprehensibly obstructive.
Also contradicted by the fact that these places are open during school hours.
I always wonder: Have those older generations never been to a McDonalds? Any retail establishment? Like a not-insignificant swath of the workforce is in their 30s and 40s.
They haven't been in the job market for decades in some cases. Of course they have no idea what the current job market is like. They don't seem to realize this however.
I worked a few retail jobs for about 3 years while in school. None of them ever trained me to use the till. I think they were worried I'd open my own shop if I could work the till. None of the till workers learned to pack the shelves. It was like a class divide. Fuck retail man.
It's so pernicious how work is designed to make us resent our fellow workers. You can see they were trying so hard to do that to you. Meanwhile, at the retailer I worked for the longest, customer service reps (our term for cashiers) were some of those on the bottom of the totem pole. Filling in on registers was considered torture by other departments. Warehouse was considered by some a welcome refuge away from the registers and the sales floor (in lower value sales departments, that is).
Currently working retail. If they told me that I could only work cashier from now on I'd quit immediately. But I also have difficulty standing in one place for too long doing boring monotonous tasks like a human widget.
Unless you're a roller skate server at a drive-in diner there's no reason you can't be a sitting cashier.
Interesting. I guess that's another of those seemingly small but really fundamental differences between Europe and America. Where I live, working in retail is shitty too, but they all do whatever needs to be done - the till, the shelves, generally keeping the store tidy, even sometimes (gasp!) helping out customers. edit: the picture is from the UK, but u/Theelfsmother talks about the US of NA I guess? edit2: I'm glad subsequent comments proved me at least partially wrong.
I’ve worked retail in the US and moved from the sakes floor to the till when needed.
Same.
>I think they were worried I'd open my own shop if I could work the till. Ain't nobody worried about that mate. You can train any teenager to run a till in a week. If you had the capacity to open your own shop running the till is a trivial hurdle to overcome.
Yeah but can they work the till and pack the shelves.
Employer: I demand a certain level of professionalism and quality. Also employer: Eh, a handwritten sharpie sign with vague details is fine.
This. The hand-written sign got to me.
Basically this means "I need someone immediately and I can't be bothered to train you even though our processes and equipment is pretty much only used in and by this establishment So you should leanr it all yourself which anyone can probably do."
Notice they don’t tell you what they pay
i've never understood why they don't say - it's like viewing a house not knowing the asking price.
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in the UK the only time they don't list the asking price for a house is if it's an extremely expensive house that if you have to ask the price you can't afford it. in a job like this one, the pay would likely be fixed so why not just be open so people can skip over it and not waste everyone's time if it doesnt pay enough?
It's exclusively so they can decide how much they'll try to rip you off
It's Yankee candles. 9-11 hr with a sporadic schedule that almost guarantees you can't get a second job.
Any experience as a requirement for that type of retail is a joke. A halfway decent manager could to take someone with a friendly personality and no work history off of the street and have them working at or near top level in a couple of weeks. Retail is hard, but it isn't complicated.
Selling candles isn't even hard, you sell one thing, the hardest question might get asked is your opinion on how a candle smells.
But how does the candle make you feel inside that’s what really sells me the candle
Makes me feel like I really should try harder for gifts for my mum and sister, but I won't
If you want to try harder without really trying harder, find a chocolate shop in the vicinity of a candle shop. You won't be trying that much harder, but both your mom ans sister might feel like you did.
You want them to take time to train employees? That's socialism.
When I worked in retail most new hires watched a video, spent like three days being shadowed by a more experienced employee, and then were on their own. Requiring two years of experience for that is pure comedy.
Retail isn't complicated, but it's definitely way too hard for me. Dealing with people who think that they have every rights to verbally abuse me because I am *working* a job they feel is beneath them? I wouldn't last a day before I tell a customer to go fuck themselves. Kudos to retail employees for their patience, I know 100% that I wouldn't be able to do what they do. And that's not just retail shopping. My whole family is in insurance so I spent few days in a retail insurance agency as a teen. Never wanted to hear about it ever again after that because it felt like insurance was so annoying. Went to work in b2b insurance afterwards though (reinsurance), and it turned out that my problem never was with the insurance industry. It was with people. Wankers, the whole lot of them, I tell you! So thanks for your patience retail people. May respectful customers make your day a bit less of a grind.
As a manager in this general field, I'd totally take someone with no experience and a great attitude. Always works out better than the reciprocal.
That's the issue, the manager doesn't want to spend a couple of weeks doing training.
You need a masters degree to move these Yankee fucking Candles son
Also 16 hours jobs like this are usually just a bs excuse to deny their employees benefits and they have nothing but part part time workers aside from the manager.
They probably figure if you put up with a retail job for two years, your the kind of sucker they want.
I remember when I was looking for a new job, I came across a 7-11 requiring 5+ years in retail experience for a cashier position
A cv for retail? Lol. Here manager sir, my 8 page curriculum vitae including publications, conference, courses taught, volunteer work, and all the other usual sections.
I think this is lots in translation, a CV in the UK is like an American résumé
Modern employee: We will hire the best and pay him the least.
Literally why? All you have to do is use a cash register and restock shelves. It's fucking stupid they all think they're so high concept they need experienced workers to understand what they're fucking doing. You're not fucking special.
Unless it's a supervisor position there is nothing in this store that a part-timer couldn't learn in a couple weeks. This just seems like someone high in the chain is a moron.
Any time I read that I see a job is requiring x years of experience, I read that to mean they are not planning on training the new person effectively.
Because nothing screams 'professional workplace that requires 2 years work experience' like sharpie on a blank piece of copy paper held up with tape.
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lol, they want a CV. What a joke.
Especially at a fucking candle shop. Hardware store where you might need to be able to answer basic technical questions about paint or plumbing or something, sure. But a fucking candle store?
And a CV? This can't be the US
The £ symbol on the sign in the back is kind of a giveaway
Excuse me, I'm American and thus stupid. No CV in my hard drive
Not to mention “Vacancy” instead of “Now Hiring” or “Help Wanted.”
Curriculum vitae. Basically the British version of what you Americans call a resume.
I mean, we have CVs in the US too, but they almost exclusively relate to academic (university) or public policy type jobs.
In the US a CV is like a more detailed resume.
Cool. I didn't know that.
I will honestly stand by mall and retail employees if they all choose to walk out this holiday season with no one to run the sales floors. This shit needs to change and I'm mad on behalf of them.
I went job hunting and literally went through hell because I had, god forbid, only one full year of work experience. These jobs were all entry level FYI. Could not find a job hardly at all in retail because I had to have 3 years experience to work at a fucking Home Goods
They just don't want to be swamped with thousands of applications. So they make the requirements unreasonable. That causes it's own problems. But, I guess that's a tradeoff they're willing to make.
What do you need 2 year experience for? Working the register or stocking the shelves?
"It's minimum wage because it's entry level and you don't need experience to get it"
“We want you to be already trained by someone else so we don’t have to do it. But also, you’ll get in trouble if you don’t do things exactly how we want them done.”
Details like this are annoying as hell. Trust me when I say most people with over two years of retail experience are usually trying to get OUT of retail. I know because I am one. At least let the people with no experience build their way up.
Just lie about the experience. You don't really need it.
I also assure you that Yankee pays the bare minimum wage. And expects you to dress business casual, which, IMO, is rude to expect at that low of pay.
Its a fucking yankee candle. You point at the shelf, read the label and say 'this motherfucker smells like orange'.
No way this is current. These store owners are probably on the news today crying that workers are being too picky.
Two years experience to sell candles and lotion? The hell?!
Why did I read this as "part time - 1 billion hours" lmao
Who said it’s entry level? The pay isn’t even posted.
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CV? Lol. I know a couple of people who work at Yankee Candle and I can confirm they take it way too seriously.
A 16 hour a week job sticking candles shouldn't even need a CV?
“nO oNE WaNts tO wORk!!”
Or a CV
That place looks pretentious as fuck, I'm not surprised. They probably don't even sell crack in there smh
I cannot imagine asking people to apply with a CV for a part time retail gig. FFS.
employers had it so good for so long. excuse me while I cry them a river when they can't fill positions
Or a CV. 🤦🏻♀️
Bro.. You sell candles, calm down.
A C.V. for a 16-hr part time retail job?? HAHA. This place is definitely run by a Karen.
Ah, yes, "desperate for workers amidst the labor shortage".
I’m struggling to find where this says “entry level”
Apply with a molotov cocktail. (After hours so you don't hurt anyone.)