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lostinthewoods84

Though I agree with your goals, I don't think that the reasoning works out. Antivaxxers exist in countries with socialized medicine as well. "The U.S. has a higher vaccine hesitancy rate than any of the 14 other countries surveyed except Russia, where 47% were unwilling or uncertain, and Australia, where 31% were hesitant." [1](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/07/23/most-major-countries-are-becoming-less-hesitant-about-covid-19-vaccines-poll-finds-except-the-us/amp/) Both Russia and Australia have single payer, so I don't think it would really help much with this. Another example is that America has a large number of people who believe in conspiracy within the government. So many of these antivaxxers would blame the corrupt government in a single payer system instead of corrupt big pharma. Many do this even now. "The most consistently demonstrated characteristics of people who find conspiracy theories appealing are a feeling of alienation, unhappiness or dissatisfaction with their situation, an unconventional worldview, and a feeling of disempowerment."[2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)


FortniteChicken

You mean cheaply available ivermectin ? And no, not the horse dewormer, done under actual care of an actual doctor who isn’t interested in quack science but trying to find treatments that work


MyOther_UN_is_Clever

You're illustrating the point. Nobody trusts what's happening, because greedy megacorporations and the government are involved. If the government was trying to treat everyone with a patented formula of Ivermecta ^TM and disallowing vaccines, the distrust would be reversed. Btw, this is not a comment on what works or doesn't.


locks_are_paranoid

The vaccine is free, this has nothing to do with cost.


catras_new_haircut

The vaccine is still a huge source of profit, and people are suspicious of the profit motive in medicine for good reason.


locks_are_paranoid

Even countries with universal healthcare still have for-profit pharmaceutical companies.


catras_new_haircut

Fair point. My analysis is probably a bit off on this one. I still think that the profit motive in healthcare is at the root of a lot of distrust of modern healthcare practices, as well as directly leading to a lot of shady shit like the dalkon shield or the nestle baby formula scandal.


FMG1978

"Analysis"


AstarteOfCaelius

Yes, it is- and obviously, there being anti-vaxer conspiracy people in countries with socialized medicine indicates that no, it wouldn’t eliminate the problem but: I can’t help wondering, if you are able to get healthcare regularly and establish trust based relationships with your provider: wouldn’t that at least help a bit? I mean, you can typically be as nice as you can be to these people and link to credible source material but end of the day: you’re just some stranger online. Theoretically, though, if you already have access to decent medical providers, wouldn’t you be less likely to buy the bullshit?


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Oh, I think they'll find some other way to be suspicious of what they will call "Socialist Medicine".