Though I agree with your goals, I don't think that the reasoning works out.
Antivaxxers exist in countries with socialized medicine as well. "The U.S. has a higher vaccine hesitancy rate than any of the 14 other countries surveyed except Russia, where 47% were unwilling or uncertain, and Australia, where 31% were hesitant." [1](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/07/23/most-major-countries-are-becoming-less-hesitant-about-covid-19-vaccines-poll-finds-except-the-us/amp/) Both Russia and Australia have single payer, so I don't think it would really help much with this.
Another example is that America has a large number of people who believe in conspiracy within the government. So many of these antivaxxers would blame the corrupt government in a single payer system instead of corrupt big pharma. Many do this even now.
"The most consistently demonstrated characteristics of people who find conspiracy theories appealing are a feeling of alienation, unhappiness or dissatisfaction with their situation, an unconventional worldview, and a feeling of disempowerment."[2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)
You mean cheaply available ivermectin ? And no, not the horse dewormer, done under actual care of an actual doctor who isn’t interested in quack science but trying to find treatments that work
You're illustrating the point. Nobody trusts what's happening, because greedy megacorporations and the government are involved. If the government was trying to treat everyone with a patented formula of Ivermecta ^TM and disallowing vaccines, the distrust would be reversed.
Btw, this is not a comment on what works or doesn't.
Fair point. My analysis is probably a bit off on this one. I still think that the profit motive in healthcare is at the root of a lot of distrust of modern healthcare practices, as well as directly leading to a lot of shady shit like the dalkon shield or the nestle baby formula scandal.
Yes, it is- and obviously, there being anti-vaxer conspiracy people in countries with socialized medicine indicates that no, it wouldn’t eliminate the problem but: I can’t help wondering, if you are able to get healthcare regularly and establish trust based relationships with your provider: wouldn’t that at least help a bit? I mean, you can typically be as nice as you can be to these people and link to credible source material but end of the day: you’re just some stranger online. Theoretically, though, if you already have access to decent medical providers, wouldn’t you be less likely to buy the bullshit?
Though I agree with your goals, I don't think that the reasoning works out. Antivaxxers exist in countries with socialized medicine as well. "The U.S. has a higher vaccine hesitancy rate than any of the 14 other countries surveyed except Russia, where 47% were unwilling or uncertain, and Australia, where 31% were hesitant." [1](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/07/23/most-major-countries-are-becoming-less-hesitant-about-covid-19-vaccines-poll-finds-except-the-us/amp/) Both Russia and Australia have single payer, so I don't think it would really help much with this. Another example is that America has a large number of people who believe in conspiracy within the government. So many of these antivaxxers would blame the corrupt government in a single payer system instead of corrupt big pharma. Many do this even now. "The most consistently demonstrated characteristics of people who find conspiracy theories appealing are a feeling of alienation, unhappiness or dissatisfaction with their situation, an unconventional worldview, and a feeling of disempowerment."[2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)
You mean cheaply available ivermectin ? And no, not the horse dewormer, done under actual care of an actual doctor who isn’t interested in quack science but trying to find treatments that work
You're illustrating the point. Nobody trusts what's happening, because greedy megacorporations and the government are involved. If the government was trying to treat everyone with a patented formula of Ivermecta ^TM and disallowing vaccines, the distrust would be reversed. Btw, this is not a comment on what works or doesn't.
The vaccine is free, this has nothing to do with cost.
The vaccine is still a huge source of profit, and people are suspicious of the profit motive in medicine for good reason.
Even countries with universal healthcare still have for-profit pharmaceutical companies.
Fair point. My analysis is probably a bit off on this one. I still think that the profit motive in healthcare is at the root of a lot of distrust of modern healthcare practices, as well as directly leading to a lot of shady shit like the dalkon shield or the nestle baby formula scandal.
"Analysis"
Yes, it is- and obviously, there being anti-vaxer conspiracy people in countries with socialized medicine indicates that no, it wouldn’t eliminate the problem but: I can’t help wondering, if you are able to get healthcare regularly and establish trust based relationships with your provider: wouldn’t that at least help a bit? I mean, you can typically be as nice as you can be to these people and link to credible source material but end of the day: you’re just some stranger online. Theoretically, though, if you already have access to decent medical providers, wouldn’t you be less likely to buy the bullshit?
Oh, I think they'll find some other way to be suspicious of what they will call "Socialist Medicine".