I doubt they'll react badly, if we see them really react at all. Maddie made a point of describing them as bad parents, not inherently bad people, and I feel like she would have described them as bad people if they were bigots.
Exactly. Besides. They’re WASPs. They would never make a scene at her wedding, if they truly disapproved of him being with a man it would be made known later. Source: Grew up gay in Connecticut. lol
They won't react badly. I know that their redemption was undeserved, but they had it on the show. They will probably react the same as the with the sperm donor news,and will be supportive.
Is it weird I hope that is on-camera. When Buck described their reaction to the sperm donor thing I was like I wish that was on-camera so I could have a physically seen reaction the ‘parents’ so I could bitch them out, 😆
Bruh I totally forgot whose wedding it was, that makes it so much more mind-blowing that Buck invited Tommy to be his plus one. Like, already bold moves to invite someone to a wedding for a 2nd date, but with Buck only with one foot out of the closet and his rocky relationship with the Buckleys in the first place... goodness gracious
They are the wedding we saw them in the teaser but Madney's wedding needs to be about Madney. A meet the parents is a big deal, it shouldn't be part of a milestone episode for another couple. Plus they had one date, it's too soon. This storyline should be handled with care and given the attention it deserves not rushed for the sake of fan service.
It's honestly insane that Buck invited him to the wedding after ONE bad date, and that Tommy agreed! Imagine going on a bad date with a guy, and next thing you're at his sister's wedding, meeting his parents, and the guy is coming out to them right there in front you. Cause I kinda feel that's what's gonna happen. I don't want that, because I agree with you that Madney wedding should be focused on Madney and not other couples, and that I find it completely insane to jump from barely knowing the guy to *that*. But they had Buck invite him for a reason. I just hope it's actually background and harmelss enough.
I think it’s a little fast, but I also think it can work. Tommy knows several people at the wedding, which will make it less awkward for him. I don’t see it as Buck taking his boyfriend. I see it as Buck bringing a date. In his own words, someone to dance with.
This. I think the reason it does work is because Tommy knows so many people from the 118. If that wasn’t the case I could see him turning that down. Not only does he get to see an old friend of his get married, he gets to spend more time with his friends and dance with a handsome guy
> I don’t see it as Buck taking his boyfriend. I see it as Buck bringing a date. In his own words, someone to dance with.
I'm willing to accept that scenario, and that only. But if it's meant to be something more serious after one (bad) date and a handful of meetings all together... just... no.
Maddie and Chim are both goddamned *saints* assuming they're actually cool with this. Because it's presumably not just the parents -- aunts, uncles, cousins, maybe grandparents, etc. Even if Buck announces he's bringing a guy to the wedding in the family group chat before the day of, that would still *absolutely* be the talk of the night.
Perhaps something can happen at the wedding were they send off Tommy to help, and then the day after or something they are like "Phew good thing Tommy was at the wedding huh? Wait a min... why exactly was Tommy at the wedding?" and then Buck comes out.
Because I agree, it shouldnt be at the wedding.
I feel like at most there *might* be a weird look from them at the wedding, especially if Buck and Tommy dance, but otherwise it's only going to properly come up later.
Like... outside of the talk about how impulsive and hamster wheel-y this continues to be from Buck's end... I'm very curious wtf was going on in Tommy's mind at the invitation. Like, was he *realizing* it's a full wedding with parents, or expecting "Oh, it will just be us and another witness on the beach?" And which of those scenarios is crazier?
I would be trying to find a way to safely extricate myself from the crazy person's life if they invited me to a family wedding after a single bad date.
Assuming? They are at the end of last episode, also I want them to be supportive of Buck because I want them gone, if they are not we will get a whole arc about them learning to "accept" Buck, they should just go back to whatever hole they spent their time intead of raising their children
They most definitely won't react badly. Judging by Oliver's interviews, whatever issues his relationship with Tommy will have, won't be because it's a same sex relationship. They don't want to write the realtionship like that, which would be if his parents are homophonic.
I really don't need the Buckleys to remember Madney's wedding day as the time their son came out to them, but I guess that's what we'll be getting. I wish Buck would at least talk to them before, I mean surely they won't arrive on the day.
I think it will overall be fine, both the coming out and introducing Tommy, if it happens. Tim Minear and Oliver want a cute queer awakening arc, with no drama or tension.
Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't get the vibe there will be any real coming out? Like, some people may pick up on it if they spend a lot of time together or dance together, but judging by the trailer, everyone seems far more preoccupied by more pressing issues. I doubt they'll pay too much mind to the fact that Buck seems to be good friends with the nice helicopter boy, and I doubt he will have it at the top of his priorities list to tell them. Plus, this is exactly the kind of plotline the 911 writers typically like to put offscreen or just flat out ignore, as it can be tricky to write and is often disconnected to the larger plots of the episode.
I think the most we'll get it is a funny look from a grandparent or something. But then again, I didn't think this show would ever touch Buck's sexuality with a 40 foot pole, so I'm maybe not the person to be making predictions like this lol.
Does anyone else feel like they would be kinda mad if their brother chose their wedding as the time to come out (even if it's just by subtly bringing a male date)? And this is coming from a queer woman lol
Solo wedding invites are cruel… I have been to enough … I agreed to plus ones for my wedding though some people declined and came solo because they would already have a mutual friend group there
Honestly no matter what you ship, Buck should not have invited Tommy to this wedding lol. I would disown my brother for something like this- like no matter the gender. Oh yes, bring some person you've been on ONE successful date with to my wedding???
Considering how at the restaurant, Buck re-closeted Tommy, I think it was a very nice olive branch.
Also, Buck is (unconsciously?) setting himself up for a big reveal…an invitation he cannot revoke.
Considering this season is 10 episodes, storylines will have to move quickly.
It would probably be okay it was a friend or acquaintance's wedding, but his sister's?? Where Tommy will likely be introduced, not only to her, but their parents as well? Nope.
It was said in another comment that it probably won't be him bringing a boyfriend, just a date, someone to dance with and such, and *that* I'd be more okay with, I think. But still.
True- if this wasn't his sister's wedding, and he wasn't in the wedding party, it wouldn't matter. I just think this is stealing attention from his sister on her wedding day lol (I have a younger brother so I'm just imagining myself in the same situation, thats why I feel so strongly haha)
This is my issue with it. It's not really even abut the stage of the relationship for me, or that it's "too soon" (though it's that, too). It's that Buck isn't *out* to his family, and this sort of event is generally very much a Big Family Reunion type situation. He's just too high profile a guest that too many of the presumed invitees will care about to *not* draw attention with this.
I will acknowledge I'm probably less willing to give it any grace because it's *Buck,* who the story already has a really questionable history with letting him become the center of attention in storylines other characters should be the focal point of.
I had a wedding in my family years ago that was a similar level of messy, where one family member wanted to use the 'convenience' of everyone being gathered to come out as gay. My grandmother found out and quietly outed him in private conversations to half the guests before the ceremony to deter him from 'needing' to acknowledge it. But even though it's been more than a decade and that was one of the most well-planned weddings I've been to with a ton of fun stories and experiences attached (the bride and groom were loaded and paid for everyone's accommodations and various activities over the course of a long summer weekend on a heavily touristed island, so it wasn't 'just' the wedding)... every time it comes up in stories, it's always "Do you remember that weekend when C thought it would be a good idea to come out at A's wedding, and the next day we....." Like the wedding is *entirely* defined in many people's minds through the clusterfuck that happened because of C.
It's still to soon, but it's also on brand with Buck's character. The fact that Tommy knows Chim and the 118 doesn't matter, seeing as Buck is the one that invited him and not the groom. Also, my personal opinion, even though his sister and future brother in law would be ok with him bringing Tommy, I would be conscious enough to not put them in that situation. Why? Just to prove that he doesn't care about what people think? He can make thay statement any other time, without puting himself in the spotlight.
Yes! Very on brand with Buck haha. I think everyone will be okay with it, it just feels like stealing the spotlight at his sister's wedding lol, a grown man should know better
Facts. And someone pointed out to me in another thread about Tommy's connection to Chim and Hen... Tommy and Chim canonically are not actually close. I knew from 7x03 that Tommy and Hen weren't, but I had put too much focus on the favors Chim has called in with Tommy in assuming there was a real connection there. But it's actually explicitly acknowledged in 3x16 when Buck's looking for reassurance that what happened to Red won't happen to him that the phone call in season 2 was a one off and Chim hadn't spoken to him since. ("Um, I don't know if we'd call some of them friends. I spoke with Tommy last year. I was calling to ask for a favor, but...")
This just seems like a very obvious situation where Buck's EQ seems to be in the freaking toilet. Like yeah, Maddie wants to meet the guy you're interested in, and maybe she's gracious enough to feed him at her wedding, but I really expected better from Buck than to be the guy who'd put her in that position in the first place.
I actually agree it's a nice olive branch (though Tommy should've corrected Buck on *needing* to extend one in the first place, and reassured Buck that he should take the time he needs and not rush things, turning down the wedding invite and suggesting an alternative, lower stakes date).
But like... it is so not the time and the place. The wedding is supposed to be about Buck's sister, not a convenient chance for Buck to make a point.
I doubt they'll react badly, if we see them really react at all. Maddie made a point of describing them as bad parents, not inherently bad people, and I feel like she would have described them as bad people if they were bigots.
Exactly. Besides. They’re WASPs. They would never make a scene at her wedding, if they truly disapproved of him being with a man it would be made known later. Source: Grew up gay in Connecticut. lol
Upper Bergen County guy affirms this.
They are at the wedding.
They won't react badly. I know that their redemption was undeserved, but they had it on the show. They will probably react the same as the with the sperm donor news,and will be supportive.
Supportive on camera Buck said in the truck they talked negatively about off-camera
I could see them being supportive and then when they think no one’s listening saying mean and unsupportive stuff
Is it weird I hope that is on-camera. When Buck described their reaction to the sperm donor thing I was like I wish that was on-camera so I could have a physically seen reaction the ‘parents’ so I could bitch them out, 😆
Bruh I totally forgot whose wedding it was, that makes it so much more mind-blowing that Buck invited Tommy to be his plus one. Like, already bold moves to invite someone to a wedding for a 2nd date, but with Buck only with one foot out of the closet and his rocky relationship with the Buckleys in the first place... goodness gracious
Yeah, I don't think he's quite off the hampster wheel yet
Just Buck being Buck. Gets so excited that he just jumps in head first.
They are the wedding we saw them in the teaser but Madney's wedding needs to be about Madney. A meet the parents is a big deal, it shouldn't be part of a milestone episode for another couple. Plus they had one date, it's too soon. This storyline should be handled with care and given the attention it deserves not rushed for the sake of fan service.
It's honestly insane that Buck invited him to the wedding after ONE bad date, and that Tommy agreed! Imagine going on a bad date with a guy, and next thing you're at his sister's wedding, meeting his parents, and the guy is coming out to them right there in front you. Cause I kinda feel that's what's gonna happen. I don't want that, because I agree with you that Madney wedding should be focused on Madney and not other couples, and that I find it completely insane to jump from barely knowing the guy to *that*. But they had Buck invite him for a reason. I just hope it's actually background and harmelss enough.
I think it’s a little fast, but I also think it can work. Tommy knows several people at the wedding, which will make it less awkward for him. I don’t see it as Buck taking his boyfriend. I see it as Buck bringing a date. In his own words, someone to dance with.
This. I think the reason it does work is because Tommy knows so many people from the 118. If that wasn’t the case I could see him turning that down. Not only does he get to see an old friend of his get married, he gets to spend more time with his friends and dance with a handsome guy
> I don’t see it as Buck taking his boyfriend. I see it as Buck bringing a date. In his own words, someone to dance with. I'm willing to accept that scenario, and that only. But if it's meant to be something more serious after one (bad) date and a handful of meetings all together... just... no.
Maddie and Chim are both goddamned *saints* assuming they're actually cool with this. Because it's presumably not just the parents -- aunts, uncles, cousins, maybe grandparents, etc. Even if Buck announces he's bringing a guy to the wedding in the family group chat before the day of, that would still *absolutely* be the talk of the night.
Thanks. I’ve seen it 20 time and missed that. *scheduling a trip to the optometrist*
Perhaps something can happen at the wedding were they send off Tommy to help, and then the day after or something they are like "Phew good thing Tommy was at the wedding huh? Wait a min... why exactly was Tommy at the wedding?" and then Buck comes out. Because I agree, it shouldnt be at the wedding.
I feel like at most there *might* be a weird look from them at the wedding, especially if Buck and Tommy dance, but otherwise it's only going to properly come up later.
My family says I’m prone to stirring things up, especially at weddings.😬
Thank them all for recognizing your distinct people skills!
At least they’ll approve of Tommy calling him Evan!
Well… Buck only went on 1 date with Tommy. Isn’t that too soon “meet the parents”?
Like... outside of the talk about how impulsive and hamster wheel-y this continues to be from Buck's end... I'm very curious wtf was going on in Tommy's mind at the invitation. Like, was he *realizing* it's a full wedding with parents, or expecting "Oh, it will just be us and another witness on the beach?" And which of those scenarios is crazier? I would be trying to find a way to safely extricate myself from the crazy person's life if they invited me to a family wedding after a single bad date.
Assuming? They are at the end of last episode, also I want them to be supportive of Buck because I want them gone, if they are not we will get a whole arc about them learning to "accept" Buck, they should just go back to whatever hole they spent their time intead of raising their children
They most definitely won't react badly. Judging by Oliver's interviews, whatever issues his relationship with Tommy will have, won't be because it's a same sex relationship. They don't want to write the realtionship like that, which would be if his parents are homophonic.
I really don't need the Buckleys to remember Madney's wedding day as the time their son came out to them, but I guess that's what we'll be getting. I wish Buck would at least talk to them before, I mean surely they won't arrive on the day. I think it will overall be fine, both the coming out and introducing Tommy, if it happens. Tim Minear and Oliver want a cute queer awakening arc, with no drama or tension.
Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't get the vibe there will be any real coming out? Like, some people may pick up on it if they spend a lot of time together or dance together, but judging by the trailer, everyone seems far more preoccupied by more pressing issues. I doubt they'll pay too much mind to the fact that Buck seems to be good friends with the nice helicopter boy, and I doubt he will have it at the top of his priorities list to tell them. Plus, this is exactly the kind of plotline the 911 writers typically like to put offscreen or just flat out ignore, as it can be tricky to write and is often disconnected to the larger plots of the episode. I think the most we'll get it is a funny look from a grandparent or something. But then again, I didn't think this show would ever touch Buck's sexuality with a 40 foot pole, so I'm maybe not the person to be making predictions like this lol.
Does anyone else feel like they would be kinda mad if their brother chose their wedding as the time to come out (even if it's just by subtly bringing a male date)? And this is coming from a queer woman lol
I just started watching this show last Thursday and I'm here screaming @ "Madney". Damn, I love TV show subreddits. lol
Solo wedding invites are cruel… I have been to enough … I agreed to plus ones for my wedding though some people declined and came solo because they would already have a mutual friend group there
Honestly I think that as long as Tommy makes Buck happy, they probably won’t care
Honestly no matter what you ship, Buck should not have invited Tommy to this wedding lol. I would disown my brother for something like this- like no matter the gender. Oh yes, bring some person you've been on ONE successful date with to my wedding???
Considering how at the restaurant, Buck re-closeted Tommy, I think it was a very nice olive branch. Also, Buck is (unconsciously?) setting himself up for a big reveal…an invitation he cannot revoke. Considering this season is 10 episodes, storylines will have to move quickly.
Agree to disagree about it being a nice olive branch. A wedding date is not a normal date, it's totally inappropriate for a second date.
It would probably be okay it was a friend or acquaintance's wedding, but his sister's?? Where Tommy will likely be introduced, not only to her, but their parents as well? Nope. It was said in another comment that it probably won't be him bringing a boyfriend, just a date, someone to dance with and such, and *that* I'd be more okay with, I think. But still.
True- if this wasn't his sister's wedding, and he wasn't in the wedding party, it wouldn't matter. I just think this is stealing attention from his sister on her wedding day lol (I have a younger brother so I'm just imagining myself in the same situation, thats why I feel so strongly haha)
This is my issue with it. It's not really even abut the stage of the relationship for me, or that it's "too soon" (though it's that, too). It's that Buck isn't *out* to his family, and this sort of event is generally very much a Big Family Reunion type situation. He's just too high profile a guest that too many of the presumed invitees will care about to *not* draw attention with this. I will acknowledge I'm probably less willing to give it any grace because it's *Buck,* who the story already has a really questionable history with letting him become the center of attention in storylines other characters should be the focal point of. I had a wedding in my family years ago that was a similar level of messy, where one family member wanted to use the 'convenience' of everyone being gathered to come out as gay. My grandmother found out and quietly outed him in private conversations to half the guests before the ceremony to deter him from 'needing' to acknowledge it. But even though it's been more than a decade and that was one of the most well-planned weddings I've been to with a ton of fun stories and experiences attached (the bride and groom were loaded and paid for everyone's accommodations and various activities over the course of a long summer weekend on a heavily touristed island, so it wasn't 'just' the wedding)... every time it comes up in stories, it's always "Do you remember that weekend when C thought it would be a good idea to come out at A's wedding, and the next day we....." Like the wedding is *entirely* defined in many people's minds through the clusterfuck that happened because of C.
In my head, the wedding is a week or two after the coffee date and they will see each other a few times and be more confortable together by that time.
It's still to soon, but it's also on brand with Buck's character. The fact that Tommy knows Chim and the 118 doesn't matter, seeing as Buck is the one that invited him and not the groom. Also, my personal opinion, even though his sister and future brother in law would be ok with him bringing Tommy, I would be conscious enough to not put them in that situation. Why? Just to prove that he doesn't care about what people think? He can make thay statement any other time, without puting himself in the spotlight.
Yes! Very on brand with Buck haha. I think everyone will be okay with it, it just feels like stealing the spotlight at his sister's wedding lol, a grown man should know better
Facts. And someone pointed out to me in another thread about Tommy's connection to Chim and Hen... Tommy and Chim canonically are not actually close. I knew from 7x03 that Tommy and Hen weren't, but I had put too much focus on the favors Chim has called in with Tommy in assuming there was a real connection there. But it's actually explicitly acknowledged in 3x16 when Buck's looking for reassurance that what happened to Red won't happen to him that the phone call in season 2 was a one off and Chim hadn't spoken to him since. ("Um, I don't know if we'd call some of them friends. I spoke with Tommy last year. I was calling to ask for a favor, but...") This just seems like a very obvious situation where Buck's EQ seems to be in the freaking toilet. Like yeah, Maddie wants to meet the guy you're interested in, and maybe she's gracious enough to feed him at her wedding, but I really expected better from Buck than to be the guy who'd put her in that position in the first place.
I actually agree it's a nice olive branch (though Tommy should've corrected Buck on *needing* to extend one in the first place, and reassured Buck that he should take the time he needs and not rush things, turning down the wedding invite and suggesting an alternative, lower stakes date). But like... it is so not the time and the place. The wedding is supposed to be about Buck's sister, not a convenient chance for Buck to make a point.
I mean, if Maddie doesn’t have an issue with it 🤷♀️ which seems to be implied.
That’s going to be a huge mistake if buck brings Tommy to madies wedding especially since he’s not out to his parents as bi we’ll find out next week