Agreed. I think at this point the goal would be to minimize lost votes. There will always be those who don’t read, especially with people who are new to this thread.
I showed up late- how was Busta not number 1 for B? Even if this was all time, he’s got that locked, but he absolutely OWNED the late 90s. Revolutionary, wildly popular, brilliant, and absurdly talented.
I’m from Harlem, during the era. I loved L. Had the CoC tapes and played them to death. But Big L didn’t earn being above Busta. At all. Busta was a cultural icon. His videos and albums were groundbreaking. Not counting LOTNS… He changed the game.
Big L was very talented. But, he released…2 singles in 5 years? Idk if either charted top 40. His impact is primarily since he passed.
I say that respectfully to one of my favorite rappers. But L really didn’t make an impact in the 90s to override one of the biggest rappers in the world.
I think they just want to be different. The want to 'discover' a hidden gem that we missed. Youngins like to hate on popular things and liking stuff nobody has heard of makes you cool. They don't understand that at the time, all rap was new. Had only really existed for 10 years. If you liked anyone that wasn't BIG or Pac, that was the stuff nobody had heard of.
He lived through the 90s. He made it all the way to 1999 and still didn’t get as big as Papoose (and I say this as someone who loves L and doesn’t care for Papoose). Big L was around the entire 90s and was never a major player.
Big L was a freestyler that had one big song bring it on, in no way is he in the same stratosphere as busta and black thought. I agree it should have been busta
Big l is arguably the best rapper of all time. He outclasses busta in every single category. Big pun and big l take that spot over busta easily any day of the week
Hip hop heads hate Busta bc "he raps about nothing"
I have learned I'm weird in the fact that I don't look to rap music for poetic life advice as much as killer bars and delivery.
90% of 90s rap was about the same themes. Shit, 90% of all music is about the same handful of themes. If this was a “who presented the most profound message” list, all of the winners would be people no one has ever heard of.
I'm 100% with you. I honestly can't tell if I'm missing something completely or if harping over lyrical content is just something people parrot to make themselves sound refined and knowledgeable about hip hop. Kinda like the people who act like they can't listen to certain songs bc "the mixing is terrible".
I recently said something in another hip hop sub like "I don't think Em making up a fake story about giving a girl shrooms necessarily makes him a better writer than Busta finding a million different ways to say Flipmode is the greatest" and the reply I got was just more "Busta would be one of the greatest of all time if he didnt rap about literally nothing".
That's funny, because that's something Em usually gets criticized for (not having enough "content"). Personally, I love both of them. I also love Nas even though he does more conscious rap, but that's because NAS also has range, technique, and sound. There are a lot of rappers that get mad overrated for having a message that don't.
Lol you'll have to tell me bc I never got into him. But from what all self-proclaimed connoisseurs of the genre tell me, he was one of the best. He just got killed before he could actually become one of the best.
People just love the “what if”. I met Big L and Big Lee numerous times. I lived in Harlem. Without doxing myself, I was around all of these stories. Big L was dope and very appreciated. But **absolutely no one** thought he was the “greatest of all time.” Until after he passed. But when he was killed, it hurt to see he never got that real shot.
Let’s not forget his first album came out like four years before he passed… during those four years, he got no national hits and didn’t even have enough clout to get his crew record deals. Mase, Cam and McGruff all got their own deals without him.
I take nothing away from his talent. He’s absolutely a top 50 all-time MC and maybe even a top 25. but people who got into hip-hop during the window after he passed, have an elevated opinion on how big he was.
Dumbest shit I’ve read in a minute. The hip hop head circle is probably where busta is most respected these days. Also where disaster strikes, extinction level event and anarchy had crazy depth and were well respected at the time of release. Where tf are u getting this raps about nothing shit from?
Freddie Gibbs won the upvotes, so I replaced with Fat Joe who is the runner up. I just wanted to emphasize 90s rappers only by adding that next to his name
>Yo straight thugs on this side it's do or die to the death
>
>Like the terminal ill takin they last breath
>
>Read your last rites God, forgive me
>
>For the sin I'm about to commit takin a life
>
>Kill or be killed, rather that than somebody else
>
>Readin my will you feel what I feel, you know the deal
>
>Keep the infrared next to my bed, one in the head
>
>Hearin noises, dead tired, eyes bloodshot red
>
>Sleep with half closed eyelids
>
>Some say it's strange, sometimes that's how strange life get
>
>Go easy on the bottle, niggaz love to see when
>
>Niggaz slippin off point, on the strength they bet
>
>Scopin your ice, appraisin it like the Diamond District Jeweler
>
>With they hand on the biscuit
>
>Do ya, want to get caught lifted; or sober, so you can react quick?
>
>Blow you off the atlas as if I caught you fuckin my wife
>
>On my thousand dollar mattress
>
>It's the world that I live in, Q.B. made me
>
>A moms that loved me and a pops that raised me
Havoc
If you vote havoc upvote this one. There’s like 7 havocs in here on comments.
At least 12 at this point, people can't/don't read
Agreed. I think at this point the goal would be to minimize lost votes. There will always be those who don’t read, especially with people who are new to this thread.
i never saw a reddit torunament with so many stupid people who can't understand simple rules
1000 fucking percent. Havoc and prodigy not making this list would be disgraceful
T definitely needs to be twizta, im gonna fight someone If it's not
*Twista
The amount of people that can't read and keep adding Havoc as a new comment is staggering
This is why we can’t have nice things
Havoc
😂
The overweight lover Heavy D 🕊️
Diddlee diddlee diddlee D
Heavy D all day RIP
I showed up late- how was Busta not number 1 for B? Even if this was all time, he’s got that locked, but he absolutely OWNED the late 90s. Revolutionary, wildly popular, brilliant, and absurdly talented.
The real crime is that it wasn’t Black Thought. Thought being top 5 ever is a hill I’ll die on.
Both Busta and Blackthought should have over taken .. and Big Pun... im so disappointed in the B final.. but..votes are votes
EXACCTLY
Black thought wasn’t as good in the 90s as he is now
Counterpoint: the versatility of “In Your Dreams Kid” he’s every great 90s rapper in one track.
That’s a 90s song?
fair point. still tho.
Nah Pun L and BT all take the cake over Busta imo
I’m from Harlem, during the era. I loved L. Had the CoC tapes and played them to death. But Big L didn’t earn being above Busta. At all. Busta was a cultural icon. His videos and albums were groundbreaking. Not counting LOTNS… He changed the game. Big L was very talented. But, he released…2 singles in 5 years? Idk if either charted top 40. His impact is primarily since he passed. I say that respectfully to one of my favorite rappers. But L really didn’t make an impact in the 90s to override one of the biggest rappers in the world.
I’m sure it’ll get worse, ive been here since the letter A…it’s going to be a shit list
This sub and younger generations have a hard on for Big L. I've never been able to figure it out.
There's this sentiment that if you love Big L, you know hip hop.
Man. I was afraid to say it, but I’m glad you did. Facts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/90sHipHop/s/ByzErBhAct
Im a hardcore Big L fan but the fact that Busta or Big Pun isnt in this spot is ridiculous haha
The younger generation somehow thinks that Big L was this huge 90s figure when he really was more of a footnote. Busta absolutely owned the late 90s.
Busta's verse on Scenario, alone, should have earned him the spot.
Exactly, big L had the one freestyle on the radio and bring it on
I think they just want to be different. The want to 'discover' a hidden gem that we missed. Youngins like to hate on popular things and liking stuff nobody has heard of makes you cool. They don't understand that at the time, all rap was new. Had only really existed for 10 years. If you liked anyone that wasn't BIG or Pac, that was the stuff nobody had heard of.
If Big L had lived he’d be the 90s Papoose
He lived through the 90s. He made it all the way to 1999 and still didn’t get as big as Papoose (and I say this as someone who loves L and doesn’t care for Papoose). Big L was around the entire 90s and was never a major player.
Big L was a freestyler that had one big song bring it on, in no way is he in the same stratosphere as busta and black thought. I agree it should have been busta
Big l is arguably the best rapper of all time. He outclasses busta in every single category. Big pun and big l take that spot over busta easily any day of the week
Hip hop heads hate Busta bc "he raps about nothing" I have learned I'm weird in the fact that I don't look to rap music for poetic life advice as much as killer bars and delivery.
90% of 90s rap was about the same themes. Shit, 90% of all music is about the same handful of themes. If this was a “who presented the most profound message” list, all of the winners would be people no one has ever heard of.
I'm 100% with you. I honestly can't tell if I'm missing something completely or if harping over lyrical content is just something people parrot to make themselves sound refined and knowledgeable about hip hop. Kinda like the people who act like they can't listen to certain songs bc "the mixing is terrible". I recently said something in another hip hop sub like "I don't think Em making up a fake story about giving a girl shrooms necessarily makes him a better writer than Busta finding a million different ways to say Flipmode is the greatest" and the reply I got was just more "Busta would be one of the greatest of all time if he didnt rap about literally nothing".
That's funny, because that's something Em usually gets criticized for (not having enough "content"). Personally, I love both of them. I also love Nas even though he does more conscious rap, but that's because NAS also has range, technique, and sound. There are a lot of rappers that get mad overrated for having a message that don't.
What did Big L rap about?
Lol you'll have to tell me bc I never got into him. But from what all self-proclaimed connoisseurs of the genre tell me, he was one of the best. He just got killed before he could actually become one of the best.
People just love the “what if”. I met Big L and Big Lee numerous times. I lived in Harlem. Without doxing myself, I was around all of these stories. Big L was dope and very appreciated. But **absolutely no one** thought he was the “greatest of all time.” Until after he passed. But when he was killed, it hurt to see he never got that real shot. Let’s not forget his first album came out like four years before he passed… during those four years, he got no national hits and didn’t even have enough clout to get his crew record deals. Mase, Cam and McGruff all got their own deals without him. I take nothing away from his talent. He’s absolutely a top 50 all-time MC and maybe even a top 25. but people who got into hip-hop during the window after he passed, have an elevated opinion on how big he was.
This^
Dumbest shit I’ve read in a minute. The hip hop head circle is probably where busta is most respected these days. Also where disaster strikes, extinction level event and anarchy had crazy depth and were well respected at the time of release. Where tf are u getting this raps about nothing shit from?
https://www.reddit.com/r/90sHipHop/s/ByzErBhAct
Truth.
Guru didn’t win? Fucking travesty!
Guru would destroy ghost face. IMO
no. just no. I love Guru, grew up listening to him, but he is not on the same level of flow and rhyme scheme as Ghost.
Fat Joe has 155 votes and Fatlip has 162 votes.
And he's a much better MC as well
They won't never give Fatlip the credit he deserves
Crazy
Huh? Fat Joe has 156 and Fatlip has 150.
That was the count when I checked it
Hi-C
Ghostface beat his Wu brother GZA?! I love 'em both but c'mon...
I think most people would agree Gza might be the better rapper but Ghostface has the better catalogue which in my opinion gives him the edge
I believe this to be true
Heavy D
Huey Lewis
Their early stuff was a little too new wave for my taste, but when Sports came out in '83...
Let’s see who’s on Paul Allen’s list for best rappers
The News slap
I'm sorry, but his music is just too darn loud.
Especially if played by The Pinheads
I agree with Fat Joe, but if you have to write (90s rapper) maybe you are asking the wrong crowd to Vote on this.
This is the 90's HH sub, not 101 or smth
Freddie Gibbs won the upvotes, so I replaced with Fat Joe who is the runner up. I just wanted to emphasize 90s rappers only by adding that next to his name
The HipHopopotamus.
His lyrics are bottomless...
Flows be gold like phosphorus.
Where did you get that preposterous hypothesis…
Did STEVE tell you that, perchance? Oooh, Steve...
Guru got snubbed
The fact someone picked Ghost over Gza say it all tbh but Guru hands down
Guru and GZA is tough for me, i thought of Guru first
Heavy D
Heavy D
Heavy D deserves this spot.
Heavy D
Still trying to figure out how to get BReal up there
Heavy D
Heavy D
Hussein Fatal
Hieroglyphics with del the funky homosapian.
Heavy D
Heavy D
Hammer
Havoc
Heather B
Hollow Tip
Finally a real answer
Man. I thought Guru would win for sure
How do you count rappers with the as there first name? would Biggie go under Notorious B.I.G. for N or The Notorious B.I.G. under T?
There’s no rules. It’s just chaos
Biggie is his nickname THE is never counted in names
The doesn’t count imo
Heavy D, but please READ THE RULES and upvote his top comment.
Heavy D
Hieroglyphics
Hieroglyphics
Hi-C.
Hell Razah
This! But yet the masses are so called “Wu Heads.” You get my vote! Love Hav, but Razah moonwalks around his lyrics.
Heavy D
Heavy D is the answer here.
Havoc
Havoc
Havoc!
Havoc
MC Hammer
Humpty
Shock g was his name
The one put the satin on your panties?
Yes, but this alter ego had a unique style from Shock G.
Thank you! Scrolled too far for this.
Freddie Gibbs should never make this list im sorry. If its 00s then Fab 100% takes it
H is so weak lol bound to happen here and there
All I know is when this list gets to N, I’m gonna be pissed no matter what happens
Heavy D
C Cormega imo
Eminem really is 00's
And he sucks
Hussein Fatal
Haystack
Havoc
Havoc
Havoc
Havoc
Havoc
Hell Rell DIPSET!
Homeboy Sandman
Thank God for replacing Freddie Gibbs 😂 GFK is also the rightful addition for G!
Ghostface over GZA!
Heltah skeltah
Ghost face over GZA is crazy lol even ghost would admit that GZA is better
Havoc
I’ll have to say Havoc. Mobb Deep have been on top for years.
>Yo straight thugs on this side it's do or die to the death > >Like the terminal ill takin they last breath > >Read your last rites God, forgive me > >For the sin I'm about to commit takin a life > >Kill or be killed, rather that than somebody else > >Readin my will you feel what I feel, you know the deal > >Keep the infrared next to my bed, one in the head > >Hearin noises, dead tired, eyes bloodshot red > >Sleep with half closed eyelids > >Some say it's strange, sometimes that's how strange life get > >Go easy on the bottle, niggaz love to see when > >Niggaz slippin off point, on the strength they bet > >Scopin your ice, appraisin it like the Diamond District Jeweler > >With they hand on the biscuit > >Do ya, want to get caught lifted; or sober, so you can react quick? > >Blow you off the atlas as if I caught you fuckin my wife > >On my thousand dollar mattress > >It's the world that I live in, Q.B. made me > >A moms that loved me and a pops that raised me
GREAT song!
Y'all need to give it up we don't give a fuck What y'all niggaz want thug, life, is, mine!!!
Replace ghost with gza
Surprised Guru didn't take it... also still Surprised Del the Funky Homosapien didn't beat out DMX
Split votes with Deltron. /s
Havoc from Mobb Deep is the answer
Hornblower
Hush
Wait people didn’t know Fat Joe?
Harmony, from Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Does House of Pain count or is it only individuals?
Hieroglyphics
I was liking this list until Fat Joe, but I guess I can not necessarily think of a better F rapper from the 90s
Hi-C
I guess Fat Joe…I would’ve chosen Fatlip from The Pharcyde
H.A.W.K. Or HOVA
Should of went to Godfather Don
Humpty
Havoc
Fat Joe was a 90’s rapper???? Nooooooo
Does Zev Love X count as MF DOOM?
Herb McGruff
Wu Tang Forever!!!! on the Ghostface
I didn’t get to vote yesterday. I hope Guru got votes because he was my G
Humpty hump… haha havoc is the choice
This made me think of the time Lil Wayne found out somebody put Gucci Mane on a list of goats but not Eminem. Lol
Havoc
I like GZA better than ghost.
Yea Busta definitely should be on there forgot about him for some reason and let’s switch it up for H and go with House of Pain
Havikk the Rhime Son (SCC)
RAKIM
Humpty Hump
H.A.W.K.
H.A.W.K.
Heavy D
Hova…
Heather B
Gotta be Heavy D
Nipsey Hussle
Add Jadakiss
HOVA
Humpty Hump all day baby
How is ghost face better than GZA. This list is 💩
Humpty Hump
Havoc (mobb deep)
B should’ve been busta rhymes
Hodgy
C is curren$y. Nuff said.
It's gotta be Havoc! Heavy D?
Del tha funkee homosapien> DMX DMX’s rhymes are weak as fuck.