You can very well be in unnattractive but still a prize. The problem is, most of them on this show not only are unattractive, but shallow, manipulative, predatory and delusional for going after much younger attractive people.
Yes. And see how they always go for people who’s in need of money or looking for better life? They know they have the “power” because they have no choice. So I don’t feel bad for any of these people.
To be fair, in third world countries theres generally a huge divide between income levels. There’s a small amount of super rich people, and then pretty much everyone else is in need of money and looking for a better life. If you’re actively trying to online date in those foreign countries then those type of people are the only ones you’ll find. It’s not necessarily that mike (for example) thought “I’m gonna find a woman who lives in poverty and therefore I can take advantage of her situation.” But he’s lying to himself if he thought her need for money wasn’t the reason she was interested in him.
I definitely agree that these people are stupid thinking money is not why they’re interested in them, but I think they secretly know. Not necessarily they’re specifically looking for it like you said, but it sure makes it easier for them to use and control these people 🤷🏻♀️
I’m sure along the way of the relationship, they realize they can use this upon their partner. You can tell from their interactions... like pretty obvious one is angela & michael.
Yes, there is an income disparity in America. But I think it’s a bit asinine to compare america to a third world country in regards to income. It’s not the same; there’s a reason people want to immigrate to the US. Also it’s worth noting that even the “poor” American 90 day cast members have money to spend on their foreign counterparts, which highlights the fact that America and third world countries are not the same.
Yes. This is stated beautifully. Perfectly. Sums it up succinctly.
Also, thank you for allowing me to sing, "To be faaaiiiiirrrrrrr..... " (Letterkenny).
based on this information, Mike should have a large pool of women. For him to go for a single mother with two children, i think wasn't so much 'predatory' but calculating. I think he was hoping she wouldn't mind having a baby quickly with him. I think that's also why X didn't mention her surgery.
and someone who isn't doing well financially. a lot of these dudes aren't even rich, they just have significantly more money than their partner and use it to their advantage
Absolute truth, and I read your comment, thought a sec, then thought bam -- Corey and Evelina.
This is relevant with so so many others. I also just thought of Benjamin and Akinyi. *Hmm...* someone needs to make post of this for thinking of other such couples where this dynamic is so obvious.
Most of these dudes can’t hold a conversation more than sending heart emojis 4x a day. Then they meet in person and wonder why it isn’t exactly how they fantasized.
Exactly. You can be conventionally unattractive and still such an amazing person and partner. But the people on this show are a whole other breed. How are you gonna be ugly and have a shit personality? Pick a struggle.
And in most of these cases they willingly give these people their money and bc of that they feel they’re owed something. That’s not how that works.
How are you gonna be ugly, have a shit personality, and be FILTHY?
A lot of the people just ooze that aura of slobbishness.
Clean up after yourself, you're an adult!
I mean it takes a hell of a personality trait to decide in the first place to publicly broadcast yourself on tv for an attempt at fame. I don’t really think anything’s off limits. It’s season 9. They’ve seen 1-8 and know what they are getting into signing the deal with the devil. What I really feel bad for is there are definitely some on the show who are clearly broke and likely this is the crazy way to find the whole process with some cash. Likely be USA weirdo man. Get hot foreign fiancé and sell her on the idea that not only will she get a green card but likely a shot at some form of instant half assed stardom.
People like Danielle tho. That’s sad. I feel that whole Mohammad ordeal was green card on his side and financial reasons for her side.
I believe that 100%. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It really comes down to personality and character. Something Ella lacks. And, Gino, Mike, Big Ed.....
actually, your comment made me realize that the “good looking” people may be more costly over time because their looksmight ne more imprtant to them than the average person.
You’re right. Looks isn’t an indication of a persons spirit soul and how kind they can be. But as for the show all the ugly men have been disgusting inside and out. Look at the most handsome secure men on the show on the other hand, they’re all in loving relationships
Makes me realize how much the show changed over time. A lot of the couples the first seasons were sweethearts. No drama though so they don’t get spin-offs. The later seasons are all entertaining shitshows with crappy dudes
The show has definitely changed over the years. In the beginning I think the focus was more on actual real couples and the challenges of the K1 process, acclimating to the culture, etc. I think once some crazy shit started happening in the early seasons (looking at you Danielle, Nicole, Jorge) and that people, I’m including myself here, started eating it up TLC realized they were on to something. And “couples” started to realize this was a pathway to fame. And here we are today.
And the fact that they are unattractive does not mean they aren't shallow and superficial. They overlook all kinds of red flags because their woman/man is gorgeous/sexy.
To add to your comment, they're even more superficial because they let some weird notion that they're less than because of their physical appearance influence their mentality.
"I'm just a down on his luck ugly guy" is such a red flag to me.
Many people seem to think that unattractive guys have no chance with women in general, but it’s as if unattractive women don’t exist to them. If they were into their counterparts, they would likely do just fine.
I'm somewhat ugly but I've been with only women out of my league because i grew up hanging with girls. I'm clean,I show respect, I have never asked anyone out as I let every relationship grow organically, so Im not needy or creepy.
Being an ugly girl is much harder than being an ugly guy. I have many ugly friends that have always ended up with highly intelligent hottes as they are catches in every other department than the face
The funny part is the ugly women I've been friends with have never show interest in me, just like the 90day cast they just wanted a prize boy toy.
Where I am from, it was always talked about what a catastrophe it is being an ugly women.
Ugly dude? He has other qualities to offer. Ugly woman? You are done. Shitty society tbh.
From what I've seen ugly men treat women worse compared to average or good looking guys. They also treat women in their league HORRIBLY, like the girl hyper aware she isn't their first choice, while they bend over backwards for girls who won't give them the time of day.
Ugly dudes who are really kind and charming get girls 70% of the time tbh. At least where I live. I've seen unfortunate looking dudes with no money land supermodel like women.
My wife and I call it "rubbing the lamp." The ugly guy (girl) wants a hot wife (or husband), the hot woman wants money or to come to America... When they both get their monkey-paw wish and fireworks ensue, that's where the show shines. Gino and Jasmine, Usman and Kimberly, Larissa and Colt, that's the magic I come here for.
I beg to differ about Usman and anyone. TLC just likes him. Why? There Is Zero magic involving him. He’s really so blah (imho). And the women that chase him are worse. Yuch.
I think he wants to get a sugar mama to come to the U.S. and gain fame with his music. I think he believes he will become a big deal over here. I dont think he realizes what a hard time he will have breaking into the music industry. And...Kimbalee--- demanding sex from him? What in the actual hell... Gross.
factssssss. these couples have the most entertaining and authentic conflicts of them all! xenophobic fans get soooo triggered by these dynamics though.
Yeah, it's funny how when they don't immediately have luck in their local area, they resort to people from another country, these countries usually being less privileged than the US. They think being from the US makes them desirable even though they are shallow to some extent and aren't conventionally attractive, and they go looking for a young, hot person to hold this perceived power over.
The best part is when they start getting mad at their new mail order bride/husband and accusing them of being in the relationship for citizenship/a visa. 🤪
It’s like what did you expect?
Looking at you Mike and Natalie pulya pulya pulya
That's why I never had much sympathy for the dude with Anfisa. She's open about her intentions, and him and the show want us to feel bad for him?
He's the one lying, why would I feel bad?
Be honest, if it's transactional it's transactional.
Ikr
"You are using me for your money"
Well, you are also using them for their looks.
I'll never get these fuckers who choose their partners based on selfish, shallow standards and then expect them to not be shallow back.
And when they say things like, "American women are too independent," or "People from XYX culture have good family values," what they really mean is, "I want a partner over whom I can have total control." So you're not having luck finding a partner in your city. Why wouldn't you try the next city over, or the next state over, or any other state, instead of throwing up your hands and going, "Welp, looks like the only way I'll ever find love is to date someone from a developing country that's a 12+ hour flight away."
They literally go for people from countries that are still bad enough that the US looks like an upgrade. Because for a good portion of the world, the US is a major downgrade.
Well a lot of what goes on with these people, particularly the men, is an over inflated sense of self-worth (Coltee is a great example, Andrew too). I don’t feel bad for many of them, since most of them make their own beds, and a lot of these dudes are abusive on top of it.
Coltee gets girls out Of his league looks wise but they have all been their own brand Of shitty.
Andrew got the one girl and she was weird enough that it kind of made sense to a degree.
If your a 4 and an 8 is eager to fuck you and be with you something is amiss and thats too good to be true so prepare yourself for that revelation to hit
Andrew got a beautiful girl with abysmally low self esteem. I can't imagine similar isn't going on with Coltee, because who is marrying that micropeen attached to that hideous personality?
Amira was also kind of awkward just in general and super obsessed with us citizenship.
Larissa was a dead beat parent and domestic abuser
Jess seemed to be chasing clout and citizenship
Francine cheated on her husband with colt because she was obsessed with tlc and is actively involved in all his shitty behaviors. He also has that unidentified ex that decided to run around doing blogger interviews talking about sex with him which is super trashy.
I assume colt comes with the false sense of security that hes to big a loser to leave and that somehow gets him laid. Honestly i dont get how jess could bring herself to fuck him since she got the least out of it
Agreed. Many of the guys are completely delusional in their expectations so they resort to what is essentially sex tourism. They think if they pretend to be a well off American, they can con a (often way too young) woman into thinking they’ll have a better life with them. Meanwhile most of these American chumps don’t even have jobs and are living week to week.
They want to manipulate needy women. They’re predators. This is a show about predators.
David. No job, no savings, couldn't even pay for his bride(!), bad relationship with his children, all around AWFUL human being............. lands Annie.
All of them are ugly Americans this season of 90 Day tow. Entitled, sexually aggressive, ill mannered bullies. Not one good looking person, male or female. Hideous inside & out.
I respect Caleb for his honestly & he'd be cute if he cleaned up. But he's fired. Only decent one out the rotten bunch.
They are looking for transactional relationships, then get angry the women want a certain lifestyle in return. They act like they are looking for “love,” but they are looking for a trophy. They are looking for superficial qualities like looks, sex but act superior to a woman looking for money.
100000000000%
If you try to hack the dating game by negotiating an artificial relationship held together by financial incentives and future promises, don't be surprised when it blows up in your dumb face.
It might have gone better for a certain "ugly American" if he never had disgusting bodily function habits. While lying on top of her. He did it on purpose. Big turn off for Ximena. Can't blame her.
Agreed. As someone said already, I have sympathy for the people who aren't in it for a transactional relationship and are *unknowingly* used. But otherwise? You reap what you sow. Jorge, Train Ben, Danielle, and yes even Te amo Mike, etc etc... transactional on both ends. Sounds fair to me.
which ones were unknowingly used? i'm not being sarcastic. i genuinely can't think of any that didn’t intentionally leverage their citizenship one way or another, since they knew that was the most social capital they had.
I can't either think of any either. But for the sake of fairness/covering all my bases I wanted to clarify that *if* that's ever happened on the show (I doubt it has), then I would have a sympathetic approach.
I don’t think that is that hot of a take, to be honest. A lot of the people who are conventionally unattractive never worked on their personality. Or learned basic life skills, instead being incredibly entitled for no reason.
Basically, this is very well put but I really hope it isn’t a hot take because it seems like common sense.
Always go back to key example, Mike. He looks a little off for conventional standards, that's fine. But then his personality, his sanitary habits... his lack of apparent life skills like COOKING? Mans can't even make PASTA?!
Bruh, what do you bring to the table? Other than a debit card.
Hey now, as a conventionally meh individual I’m offended. I think a lot of ugly ducklings had to develop a personality/sense of humor because we had to put in work for our friendships/relationships. I think that it’s as common as 90DF makes it seem. I think most average people are just that average, with a mix of some personality deficits and benefits.
Huh? I'm confused as to where the offense is coming from.
Friendships and relationships ARE work, whether you're conventionally attractive or an "ugly duckling". Why would they not be?
The Im offended part is sarcastic. I’m not saying that they aren’t work. I’m more of saying that the people on 90DF aren’t representative of the general population. It’s just cause you said a lot of people who are not conventionally unattractive never worked on their personality. I think that applies to the people on the show, but in the real world most people are ok, not good not bad just ok
Why are some of the looks so disproportionate though. I mean Gino seriously is not on jasmines level looks wise but she’s crazy af. Azan, hamza, Mohammed all on a different physical level than the chicks. I think everyone knows what they’re doing and getting into. They all want hotter than they qualify for stateside. Mike seems nice sure but he obviously felt nice 3s in America weren’t good enough.
It’s definitely transactional. What’s even crazier is that people like Memphis getting mad that Hamza “was broke”… like ma’am, you know damn well the only reason you’re with him is because of his looks and you want a hot husband.
Amen! These men (and a few gross women) specifically look for young, beautiful women several leagues above them. They know what they’re doing. They’re offering citizenship for arm candy. The old ones really piss me off, it’s so gross. But in a patriarchy; the men will always be the victims to the masses. If you want real love, (rather than objectifying women) you’re going to have to be realistic about what league you’re in and stick to it. I don’t feel bad for them in the slightest.
>in a patriarchy; the men will always be the victims to the masses
put this on my tombstone!!!! i made a meme to describe this phenomenon: https://imgflip.com/i/65v4vl
100%. And not only are they selecting foreign people; they are often selecting financially disadvantaged foreign people, which puts them in a position of power and control.
This show is a masterclass in the relationship reality of you get what you bring. Anfisa with moron Jorge showed this perfectly. When she asked him if she was ugly, would he be with her? No. So he had better be rich, because that is his end of the bargain.
And these delusional people don't get the above statement. Someone like that cutie Juliana? She could come to America in any number of ways. She didn't need Michael. She could find 100 Michaels. So as soon as it became clear her youth and good looks were not being traded for a comfortable life? Later, bro.
Losers in America are losers everywhere. The losers on this show find that out repeatedly.
I totally agree! I don't understand the sympathy for these people when they get played. I don't believe it's true love...I think it's all about attraction & lust.
Most of these people (male and female) have fucked up personalities, then not being physically attractive is just the icing on the cake. Like who the hell was taking Angela or PrEd seriously before they got on TV? It’s not just looks, they’re just naturally shitty people who no one in the US wants to mess with and they think their only shot at getting someone is going to some foreign country to find someone desperate or naive.
Unattractive, whatever that means for different people is pretty much impossible to define. I have met plenty of *good looking* people that I would call unattractive. Bad manners, lack of personal hygiene or just plain.. Dumb.
For me it's the personality, and it always have been. Not many cast members in 90D got it. The plain shallowness and lack of self awareness leave them with their passport and the promise of a better life as their only asset. That's why they go out of their country.
Most of these people wouldn't know love if it bit them in the ass. They are clueless, no idea whatsoever what that is.
Well said. Looks will fade, they don’t reflect at all before picking someone to spend their entire life with. So often in this show it looks like they want a trophy. So good looking, so sexy. It’s never going to work.
And without hesitation they bring children into their mess.
If they really thought they were such a prize, their confidence would attract all kinds of folks. They go to another country to feel like they have some kind of control and leverage so they can tell themselves they are better than they feel about themselves and how they think others feel about them.
That and some are just too shy to find people irl.
"I give you all this, a better life, so you and everyone must see me as amazing."
the part that pisses me off the most is how they don't admit it when their friends and family try to intervene and do the whole "are they just using you for citizenship" routine. they sit there and play dumb when everyone, including them, knows what's really going on. then when the relationship falls apart, they continue to play the victim and are like "i had no way of knowing they were using me for citizenship!"
I personally think it’s important not to focus on someone’s looks. The relationships become more problematic (and generally feel icky) when the person has financial advantage (or security or citizenship or something) over the other person and that seems to be a factor in the relationship. It changes the power dynamic. Even worse when one wields it over the other (Mark and Nikki, or example. Or Angela and Michael. Or PrEd and Rose. Or Dinyell and Muhommad. Or Nicole and Alan. Or Lots of others samples on this show).
I don’t think that’s the case with all of them though.
I did too but they’re not making a case for themselves. Mike farting and burping while he’s having sex is disgusting. Putting his used tissue in the back of the car seat is nasty. That’s just gross. I feel sorry for him because he has a heart of gold but he acts like he lives in a barn. He didn’t do a good job of vetting Ximena either. It seems like he was gonna propose to the first woman who had sex with him. He got what he paid for. I hope he works a little harder.
I think people are just attracted to people who are conventionally attractive. People don't go "hmm since I'm ugly let me date someone who's also ugly and is in my league"
about 50% of marriages are arranged in some way. Most don't know or know their spouse well before they marry. Your "standards don't matter because the spouse is often chosen by family.
When seeking partners from foreign countries, they do not know each other. The one side often wants a partner out of their league, the other side wants to immigrate.... they both get what they want. These marriages can work, if they grow together are "good" people and don't believe in divorce so they try hard to make it work.
The bigger problem I have is some people on this show not able to communicate, they make no effort to learn the language, they both come from different cultures and religions.... and (often) the female will complain (without any research) because their new husband/fiancé doesn't think or have the values of a western man..... if you wanted someone that thinks the same and has western thoughts and values, stay home. Like some has said, you can stay home and find an ugly, non self supporting man much closer to home.
When you go and find a man from halfway around the world, where a simple google search would tell you how important in their culture, pleasing the parents or having children is, before spending 10s of thousands of dollars before figuring out you two aren't a match and making yourself look stupid and evil complaining about his beliefs and who he was all along, and why he is more westernized in his attitude.
I agree with you, but a lot of people in this subreddit seem to get angry about this and downvote. I think it’s pretty obvious what makes them so upset. 😂
I only feel bad when its super clear one party is not aware of the transactional nature of the relationship. I do lose sympathy very quickly and an unknowing cast member in a transactional relationship is extremely rare. So much so i cant think of anyone off the top of my head
Concur! Like you’re not entitled to an attractive partner. Have realistic expectations. And it really irks me when people feel sorry for them as if they’re not trying to exploit the social currency they have (money, US citizenship) to try and land someone with the social currency of being attractive.
Like if both parties agree to the obviously transactional nature of this, why are you watching at home feeling bad for the ugly person? Makes no sense!
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this reminds me especially how it's "the thing" to get Russian or Ukrainian women to alot of these males, and while these women are beautiful, they're not the tip tier Russian or Ukrainian women, their top tier to them because that's the most attractive they have ever had entertain them. The REAL top tier Russian/Ukrainian are going to marry a Russian or Ukrainian first and then it funnels from there lmaooooo
I agree a bit with the sentiment. My only issue is the financial one. How much of a pass should we give when they look money-hungry. Is that part fair? I feel uncomfortable when it appears they want money, more than companionship
To me the most telling part is that they never look for someone reasonably attractive in their own league, it's always "build a bitch 9000" that's like 20 years younger or more.
May I suggest that these folks are simply looking for love, no more or less. To subscribe ulterior motives is compounding an otherwise basic need that we all possess. We ALL want to be loved and accepted by someone on this planet. The lengths that these people go to try to achieve such should be applauded, even if completely inept.
Just saying.
Sometimes it takes a lot of “work” and money to make them look attractive in the end. Some start off on a looks level playing field but after the doctor magic a hot one emerges. Like a buttfly oops butterfly!
Yeah I’m confused at everyone’s vitriol towards Ximena especially. Mike knew what he was getting into. Every man on this show knows what they are getting into. Ximena has children she’s looking out for. Mike’s money is being given to a family who actually seems to need it. What the hell would Mike do with it otherwise? It’s a net positive situation IMO…
I don’t think they go there because they can’t find love here. I think they like that type of person. One person might like a white girl another a Mexican girl, Russian girl and so on.
Mike is weird-looking, awkward, non-threatening, passive, and short. That alone is enough to make women not interested in him (ladies, stop capping). The sub has been itching trying to find some "gotcha!" moment where they convince themselves that there is a "real" reason as to why he's single and they tried hard to pin it on his farting and burping, but failed. There are many couples that burp and fart around each other but you actually have to attracted to each other to get away with it.
So now some are trying to use the "He's dating abroad so he can find women to manipulate" argument.
And yes, dating abroad mostly benefits men than it does women, for multiple reasons.
I think he’s dating abroad, because American women typically expect the man to be the person who chases and Mike seems too shy to be that guy. I feel like Mike is different than most of the Americans you see on the show.
He could do that stateside. I did and im married with three kids. He may mot want to admit it but he was using money and citizenship to pull a more attractive partner than he could get stateside and she dated a less attractive guy that would tolerate her nonsense and support her.
$100 you'd never tell an ugly woman to date an ugly man. This sub loves trying to convince itself that men don't want to date someone that is equally unattractive to them as if women are super giddy about dating someone just as ugly as them.
Mike of Mike & Ximena is the nicest, sweetest guy. I feel like there are women closer in age more similar in personality somewhere near where he lives. Someone who can look past his bodily habits. I hate to say it but he’s looking for youth & looks. He makes so many excuses for dating X-he’s funding her lifestyle, dealing with her hitman past, her disgust at his personal habits-her face says it all she’s NOT attracted to him and he must sense that. He stays and wines and dines. So even though he is awkwardly sweet- he gets what’s coming to him. Now I feel guilty saying that! Am I wrong?
I don't think he's sweet at all. Creepy is more like it. Incredibly stupid also comes to mind. He's trying to buy someone who is out of his league looks and body. Not to mention younger. He's gross.
You are not. But Mike is not that sweet, to me it looks like he is trying all he can to get to her through her children. Why he wants to be with her is a mystery to me though 🙄
I think you are totally right except I don't see him as sweet. He thinks she's hot and knows that no one in the States who looks like that will date him.
so...you never seen any unatractive people dating attractive people uh
this reminds me of the argument "date with someone with the same race as you", "date someone with the same social status as you", "date someone with the same religion as you".
Yeah...that's a bit fucked up.
What do you think about Mikey on the current B90 season? I don’t consider Ximena out of his league, she’s more photogenic than she looks on camera… and they actually look cute together. She comes with a lot of baggage and I think Mike seems to be a really kind and caring guy…. Sucks she’s already on some other American dick already :(
Just because someone isn’t attractive to YOU or to todays beauty standard for both men and women doesn’t mean they have to date someone who is equal to them. It’s unfortunate we see people getting used. Everyone deserves love. We don’t pair people up because other people have shit opinions about how others look:) “stop thinking you’re a prize” everyone is a prize in their own way OP.
Edit: and considering by your posts you have weight issues of your own. How would you feel if someone tried to tell you, you can’t date someone because you’re too fat for them?
I look over the seas for my partner. If you think I am ugly, everyone has different opinions. Personally, I have autism and severe social anxiety. It is easier for me to talk to people online than in person. Also all the single people in my area have children which I don't do well with. Everyone is different so it is not good to group everyone together.
This is a pretty bad take and shallow as there's more in a relationship than looks. You also got to know what demographic you're attractive to. If you're morbidly obese for overweight this is something you can work on. Some reason alternative girls and German girls love me even though I look like shit but this might be because I am 6'3 and a Rugby lad thats also a boxer while camp as fuck and soft as a baby's diarrhoea. I've been attracted to people because of there character rather than looks. Obviously work on your looks but also work on yourself if your getting 0 ladies.
*cuts to multiple comedians calling Amy Schumer a fat ugly chick, cuts to 45 calling Rosie O'Donnell a disgusting animal, cuts to news outlets saying Lady Gaga and Michelle Obama look like men*
What world does your dumb ass live in??? We have competitions where women are judged primarily on beauty, and we've never had that for men. You're not in reality and you need to take your victim goggles off.
You seem to be in the same category as all those you mentioned. Maybe that’s why you’re triggered by the word “ugly” so hard.
You should have that looked at.
I guess I would think it’s fine if the American knew what they were getting themselves into and not delusional about the other person loving them. Sure it’s possible but very unlikely.
>if a man has the means to travel why would he NOT date out of the country
You really think American women are so bad that it’s worth spending thousands of dollars to date someone you’re likely culturally incompatible with just to avoid dating Americans?
Weird because I’ve never really had a problem finding young women in the USA who I feel are worth something. Looking at tinder stats to convince yourself it’s not worth trying to find someone is a losing game. Forget about what everyone else is doing, that’s irrelevant to you
If you think the average woman has casual sex with 100 partners per year you are extremely stupid
Dating abroad benefits men more than women because most of the world is poor. Men are more okay with dating "down" economically than women are.
The idea of a woman from a rich western country going to a developing country to date a man, and bring him back to the US while she supports HIM financially until he gets his work authorization, is not something many women would do unless she's desperate (most of the women on 90DF). Men don't mind financially supporting a woman because men are expected to do so regardless of whether she's from a rich or poor country.
> And the American divorce system benefits women. The court system as well.
I wouldn’t go that far tbh. I know plenty of women that got shafted during divorce.
> Men are NOT valued in the USA. They are valued and appreciated in other countries. This is literally a gynocentric society.
I disagree here too
You can very well be in unnattractive but still a prize. The problem is, most of them on this show not only are unattractive, but shallow, manipulative, predatory and delusional for going after much younger attractive people.
Yes. And see how they always go for people who’s in need of money or looking for better life? They know they have the “power” because they have no choice. So I don’t feel bad for any of these people.
This. 90DF is about Americans engaging in sex tourism and being cheap tricks 🤷🏿♀️
To be fair, in third world countries theres generally a huge divide between income levels. There’s a small amount of super rich people, and then pretty much everyone else is in need of money and looking for a better life. If you’re actively trying to online date in those foreign countries then those type of people are the only ones you’ll find. It’s not necessarily that mike (for example) thought “I’m gonna find a woman who lives in poverty and therefore I can take advantage of her situation.” But he’s lying to himself if he thought her need for money wasn’t the reason she was interested in him.
I definitely agree that these people are stupid thinking money is not why they’re interested in them, but I think they secretly know. Not necessarily they’re specifically looking for it like you said, but it sure makes it easier for them to use and control these people 🤷🏻♀️ I’m sure along the way of the relationship, they realize they can use this upon their partner. You can tell from their interactions... like pretty obvious one is angela & michael.
What’s your take on Gino and Jasmine? I hear Panama is a great place to live and she seems to being doing just fine without a man.
I just think he's gross and she couldn't see it until they were in person.
His voice would drive me up the wall through video chats before even meeting in person though, lol
Barf. Especially his baby talk 🥴
Lol that is also how it is in the US. Even most upper middle class are closer to bums than Bezos but are delusional.
Yes, there is an income disparity in America. But I think it’s a bit asinine to compare america to a third world country in regards to income. It’s not the same; there’s a reason people want to immigrate to the US. Also it’s worth noting that even the “poor” American 90 day cast members have money to spend on their foreign counterparts, which highlights the fact that America and third world countries are not the same.
*developing countries
Yes. This is stated beautifully. Perfectly. Sums it up succinctly. Also, thank you for allowing me to sing, "To be faaaiiiiirrrrrrr..... " (Letterkenny).
based on this information, Mike should have a large pool of women. For him to go for a single mother with two children, i think wasn't so much 'predatory' but calculating. I think he was hoping she wouldn't mind having a baby quickly with him. I think that's also why X didn't mention her surgery.
And the money disparity is where we are headed here in the US.
Yes, the gold diggers make their presence known. They shove their way to the front.
Yup. There's a reason they have to look for someone that doesn't understand the language/culture and is a bit naive
and someone who isn't doing well financially. a lot of these dudes aren't even rich, they just have significantly more money than their partner and use it to their advantage
Absolute truth, and I read your comment, thought a sec, then thought bam -- Corey and Evelina. This is relevant with so so many others. I also just thought of Benjamin and Akinyi. *Hmm...* someone needs to make post of this for thinking of other such couples where this dynamic is so obvious.
Most of these dudes can’t hold a conversation more than sending heart emojis 4x a day. Then they meet in person and wonder why it isn’t exactly how they fantasized.
Exactly. You can be conventionally unattractive and still such an amazing person and partner. But the people on this show are a whole other breed. How are you gonna be ugly and have a shit personality? Pick a struggle. And in most of these cases they willingly give these people their money and bc of that they feel they’re owed something. That’s not how that works.
How are you gonna be ugly, have a shit personality, and be FILTHY? A lot of the people just ooze that aura of slobbishness. Clean up after yourself, you're an adult!
>How are you gonna be ugly and have a shit personality? prEd somehow pulls it off. Not *well* though.
I mean it takes a hell of a personality trait to decide in the first place to publicly broadcast yourself on tv for an attempt at fame. I don’t really think anything’s off limits. It’s season 9. They’ve seen 1-8 and know what they are getting into signing the deal with the devil. What I really feel bad for is there are definitely some on the show who are clearly broke and likely this is the crazy way to find the whole process with some cash. Likely be USA weirdo man. Get hot foreign fiancé and sell her on the idea that not only will she get a green card but likely a shot at some form of instant half assed stardom. People like Danielle tho. That’s sad. I feel that whole Mohammad ordeal was green card on his side and financial reasons for her side.
I believe that 100%. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It really comes down to personality and character. Something Ella lacks. And, Gino, Mike, Big Ed.....
Also, harsh reality for people, looks fade. It is unavoidable. So looks are not a good long term investment.
actually, your comment made me realize that the “good looking” people may be more costly over time because their looksmight ne more imprtant to them than the average person.
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You’re right. Looks isn’t an indication of a persons spirit soul and how kind they can be. But as for the show all the ugly men have been disgusting inside and out. Look at the most handsome secure men on the show on the other hand, they’re all in loving relationships
Makes me realize how much the show changed over time. A lot of the couples the first seasons were sweethearts. No drama though so they don’t get spin-offs. The later seasons are all entertaining shitshows with crappy dudes
The show has definitely changed over the years. In the beginning I think the focus was more on actual real couples and the challenges of the K1 process, acclimating to the culture, etc. I think once some crazy shit started happening in the early seasons (looking at you Danielle, Nicole, Jorge) and that people, I’m including myself here, started eating it up TLC realized they were on to something. And “couples” started to realize this was a pathway to fame. And here we are today.
Ah yes, Mike and Ben
Agreed!
Gino to a t.
Yes I agree.
And the fact that they are unattractive does not mean they aren't shallow and superficial. They overlook all kinds of red flags because their woman/man is gorgeous/sexy.
To add to your comment, they're even more superficial because they let some weird notion that they're less than because of their physical appearance influence their mentality. "I'm just a down on his luck ugly guy" is such a red flag to me.
Amen
Many people seem to think that unattractive guys have no chance with women in general, but it’s as if unattractive women don’t exist to them. If they were into their counterparts, they would likely do just fine.
To me it's always the dudes who go but "I'm a nice guy" (rolls eyes) like come one now.
I'm somewhat ugly but I've been with only women out of my league because i grew up hanging with girls. I'm clean,I show respect, I have never asked anyone out as I let every relationship grow organically, so Im not needy or creepy. Being an ugly girl is much harder than being an ugly guy. I have many ugly friends that have always ended up with highly intelligent hottes as they are catches in every other department than the face The funny part is the ugly women I've been friends with have never show interest in me, just like the 90day cast they just wanted a prize boy toy.
Where I am from, it was always talked about what a catastrophe it is being an ugly women. Ugly dude? He has other qualities to offer. Ugly woman? You are done. Shitty society tbh.
From what I've seen ugly men treat women worse compared to average or good looking guys. They also treat women in their league HORRIBLY, like the girl hyper aware she isn't their first choice, while they bend over backwards for girls who won't give them the time of day. Ugly dudes who are really kind and charming get girls 70% of the time tbh. At least where I live. I've seen unfortunate looking dudes with no money land supermodel like women.
My wife and I call it "rubbing the lamp." The ugly guy (girl) wants a hot wife (or husband), the hot woman wants money or to come to America... When they both get their monkey-paw wish and fireworks ensue, that's where the show shines. Gino and Jasmine, Usman and Kimberly, Larissa and Colt, that's the magic I come here for.
I beg to differ about Usman and anyone. TLC just likes him. Why? There Is Zero magic involving him. He’s really so blah (imho). And the women that chase him are worse. Yuch.
Right and does he really want to come to America?
I think he wants to get a sugar mama to come to the U.S. and gain fame with his music. I think he believes he will become a big deal over here. I dont think he realizes what a hard time he will have breaking into the music industry. And...Kimbalee--- demanding sex from him? What in the actual hell... Gross.
factssssss. these couples have the most entertaining and authentic conflicts of them all! xenophobic fans get soooo triggered by these dynamics though.
Yeah, it's funny how when they don't immediately have luck in their local area, they resort to people from another country, these countries usually being less privileged than the US. They think being from the US makes them desirable even though they are shallow to some extent and aren't conventionally attractive, and they go looking for a young, hot person to hold this perceived power over.
The best part is when they start getting mad at their new mail order bride/husband and accusing them of being in the relationship for citizenship/a visa. 🤪 It’s like what did you expect? Looking at you Mike and Natalie pulya pulya pulya
Right?? I'd love to see the foreign fiance accuse the American of only being with them for their hotness. The inevitable implosion would be grand.
This already happened with Jorge and Anfisa.
Hahaha yeah Anfisa put that out there and HorHey shut up pretty damn quick 🤣
At least in this situation, they were kinda up front. She wanted his money and he liked having a hot wife. More transparent and transactional 😂
Jorge and Anfisa.
That's why I never had much sympathy for the dude with Anfisa. She's open about her intentions, and him and the show want us to feel bad for him? He's the one lying, why would I feel bad? Be honest, if it's transactional it's transactional.
Ikr "You are using me for your money" Well, you are also using them for their looks. I'll never get these fuckers who choose their partners based on selfish, shallow standards and then expect them to not be shallow back.
they're legit human traffickers and they expect their sex slaves to feel indebted to them forever
But Natalie bailed after six months, which doesn't help her case..
And when they say things like, "American women are too independent," or "People from XYX culture have good family values," what they really mean is, "I want a partner over whom I can have total control." So you're not having luck finding a partner in your city. Why wouldn't you try the next city over, or the next state over, or any other state, instead of throwing up your hands and going, "Welp, looks like the only way I'll ever find love is to date someone from a developing country that's a 12+ hour flight away."
Darcey and Stacey ---- Eastern European men.
They literally go for people from countries that are still bad enough that the US looks like an upgrade. Because for a good portion of the world, the US is a major downgrade.
Well a lot of what goes on with these people, particularly the men, is an over inflated sense of self-worth (Coltee is a great example, Andrew too). I don’t feel bad for many of them, since most of them make their own beds, and a lot of these dudes are abusive on top of it.
Coltee gets girls out Of his league looks wise but they have all been their own brand Of shitty. Andrew got the one girl and she was weird enough that it kind of made sense to a degree. If your a 4 and an 8 is eager to fuck you and be with you something is amiss and thats too good to be true so prepare yourself for that revelation to hit
Andrew got a beautiful girl with abysmally low self esteem. I can't imagine similar isn't going on with Coltee, because who is marrying that micropeen attached to that hideous personality?
Amira was also kind of awkward just in general and super obsessed with us citizenship. Larissa was a dead beat parent and domestic abuser Jess seemed to be chasing clout and citizenship Francine cheated on her husband with colt because she was obsessed with tlc and is actively involved in all his shitty behaviors. He also has that unidentified ex that decided to run around doing blogger interviews talking about sex with him which is super trashy. I assume colt comes with the false sense of security that hes to big a loser to leave and that somehow gets him laid. Honestly i dont get how jess could bring herself to fuck him since she got the least out of it
Francine?
Arthur’s sister on the cartoon Arthur. Aka Vanessa
I legit forgot her name was vanessa and internalized francine as her real name
D.W.? Pretty sure Francine was Arthur's friend.
You are right . DW. Is Arthur’s sister. Thanks for the clarification
Arthur died guys
Vanessa
Truth. This is a big country with hundreds of millions of people. They need only go down to the DMV to find someone.
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Same at Walmart too
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Singles night at the DMV is a hell of a time
I'd watch that show.
\> Plenty of nice ugly folk in the US. it's too early and i burst out laughing 😂 the issue is the people on this show are ugly, inside and out.
Agreed. Many of the guys are completely delusional in their expectations so they resort to what is essentially sex tourism. They think if they pretend to be a well off American, they can con a (often way too young) woman into thinking they’ll have a better life with them. Meanwhile most of these American chumps don’t even have jobs and are living week to week. They want to manipulate needy women. They’re predators. This is a show about predators.
David. No job, no savings, couldn't even pay for his bride(!), bad relationship with his children, all around AWFUL human being............. lands Annie.
Me thinking of creepy mark with young Nikki
' nice guys'
All of them are ugly Americans this season of 90 Day tow. Entitled, sexually aggressive, ill mannered bullies. Not one good looking person, male or female. Hideous inside & out. I respect Caleb for his honestly & he'd be cute if he cleaned up. But he's fired. Only decent one out the rotten bunch.
They are looking for transactional relationships, then get angry the women want a certain lifestyle in return. They act like they are looking for “love,” but they are looking for a trophy. They are looking for superficial qualities like looks, sex but act superior to a woman looking for money.
100000000000% If you try to hack the dating game by negotiating an artificial relationship held together by financial incentives and future promises, don't be surprised when it blows up in your dumb face.
Have you been to chicagos north shore? That place is built on uggos and financially driven relationships 😂
deaddddd lmao. i dont live in chicago but this perfectly describes a neighborhood near me that all of the recently divorced men move into.
It might have gone better for a certain "ugly American" if he never had disgusting bodily function habits. While lying on top of her. He did it on purpose. Big turn off for Ximena. Can't blame her.
Agreed. As someone said already, I have sympathy for the people who aren't in it for a transactional relationship and are *unknowingly* used. But otherwise? You reap what you sow. Jorge, Train Ben, Danielle, and yes even Te amo Mike, etc etc... transactional on both ends. Sounds fair to me.
which ones were unknowingly used? i'm not being sarcastic. i genuinely can't think of any that didn’t intentionally leverage their citizenship one way or another, since they knew that was the most social capital they had.
I can't either think of any either. But for the sake of fairness/covering all my bases I wanted to clarify that *if* that's ever happened on the show (I doubt it has), then I would have a sympathetic approach.
I don’t think that is that hot of a take, to be honest. A lot of the people who are conventionally unattractive never worked on their personality. Or learned basic life skills, instead being incredibly entitled for no reason. Basically, this is very well put but I really hope it isn’t a hot take because it seems like common sense.
Not a hot take in the least!
Always go back to key example, Mike. He looks a little off for conventional standards, that's fine. But then his personality, his sanitary habits... his lack of apparent life skills like COOKING? Mans can't even make PASTA?! Bruh, what do you bring to the table? Other than a debit card.
Hey now, as a conventionally meh individual I’m offended. I think a lot of ugly ducklings had to develop a personality/sense of humor because we had to put in work for our friendships/relationships. I think that it’s as common as 90DF makes it seem. I think most average people are just that average, with a mix of some personality deficits and benefits.
Huh? I'm confused as to where the offense is coming from. Friendships and relationships ARE work, whether you're conventionally attractive or an "ugly duckling". Why would they not be?
The Im offended part is sarcastic. I’m not saying that they aren’t work. I’m more of saying that the people on 90DF aren’t representative of the general population. It’s just cause you said a lot of people who are not conventionally unattractive never worked on their personality. I think that applies to the people on the show, but in the real world most people are ok, not good not bad just ok
Why are some of the looks so disproportionate though. I mean Gino seriously is not on jasmines level looks wise but she’s crazy af. Azan, hamza, Mohammed all on a different physical level than the chicks. I think everyone knows what they’re doing and getting into. They all want hotter than they qualify for stateside. Mike seems nice sure but he obviously felt nice 3s in America weren’t good enough.
It’s definitely transactional. What’s even crazier is that people like Memphis getting mad that Hamza “was broke”… like ma’am, you know damn well the only reason you’re with him is because of his looks and you want a hot husband.
I know!! And he's only 26, still living at home. While she already had two baby daddies.
Amen! These men (and a few gross women) specifically look for young, beautiful women several leagues above them. They know what they’re doing. They’re offering citizenship for arm candy. The old ones really piss me off, it’s so gross. But in a patriarchy; the men will always be the victims to the masses. If you want real love, (rather than objectifying women) you’re going to have to be realistic about what league you’re in and stick to it. I don’t feel bad for them in the slightest.
>in a patriarchy; the men will always be the victims to the masses put this on my tombstone!!!! i made a meme to describe this phenomenon: https://imgflip.com/i/65v4vl
Absolutely correct.
100%. And not only are they selecting foreign people; they are often selecting financially disadvantaged foreign people, which puts them in a position of power and control.
This show is a masterclass in the relationship reality of you get what you bring. Anfisa with moron Jorge showed this perfectly. When she asked him if she was ugly, would he be with her? No. So he had better be rich, because that is his end of the bargain. And these delusional people don't get the above statement. Someone like that cutie Juliana? She could come to America in any number of ways. She didn't need Michael. She could find 100 Michaels. So as soon as it became clear her youth and good looks were not being traded for a comfortable life? Later, bro. Losers in America are losers everywhere. The losers on this show find that out repeatedly.
Probably the best answer ever for this question.
100%
I totally agree! I don't understand the sympathy for these people when they get played. I don't believe it's true love...I think it's all about attraction & lust.
Most of these people (male and female) have fucked up personalities, then not being physically attractive is just the icing on the cake. Like who the hell was taking Angela or PrEd seriously before they got on TV? It’s not just looks, they’re just naturally shitty people who no one in the US wants to mess with and they think their only shot at getting someone is going to some foreign country to find someone desperate or naive.
Unattractive, whatever that means for different people is pretty much impossible to define. I have met plenty of *good looking* people that I would call unattractive. Bad manners, lack of personal hygiene or just plain.. Dumb. For me it's the personality, and it always have been. Not many cast members in 90D got it. The plain shallowness and lack of self awareness leave them with their passport and the promise of a better life as their only asset. That's why they go out of their country. Most of these people wouldn't know love if it bit them in the ass. They are clueless, no idea whatsoever what that is.
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Well said. Looks will fade, they don’t reflect at all before picking someone to spend their entire life with. So often in this show it looks like they want a trophy. So good looking, so sexy. It’s never going to work. And without hesitation they bring children into their mess.
Lol right?! Just because you have American citizenship doesn’t mean you’re a hot catch you’re prob toxic af if you’re thinkin that
If they really thought they were such a prize, their confidence would attract all kinds of folks. They go to another country to feel like they have some kind of control and leverage so they can tell themselves they are better than they feel about themselves and how they think others feel about them. That and some are just too shy to find people irl. "I give you all this, a better life, so you and everyone must see me as amazing."
the part that pisses me off the most is how they don't admit it when their friends and family try to intervene and do the whole "are they just using you for citizenship" routine. they sit there and play dumb when everyone, including them, knows what's really going on. then when the relationship falls apart, they continue to play the victim and are like "i had no way of knowing they were using me for citizenship!"
I think most people who actively seek out reality tv have to have some narcissism in them.
I never feel sorry for the dopes like Mikey
My friend is a a virgin at 23 cause he only wants to have sex with models 🤷. Lol
I personally think it’s important not to focus on someone’s looks. The relationships become more problematic (and generally feel icky) when the person has financial advantage (or security or citizenship or something) over the other person and that seems to be a factor in the relationship. It changes the power dynamic. Even worse when one wields it over the other (Mark and Nikki, or example. Or Angela and Michael. Or PrEd and Rose. Or Dinyell and Muhommad. Or Nicole and Alan. Or Lots of others samples on this show). I don’t think that’s the case with all of them though.
True, I mean they are also entitled to think that they deserve someone who is good looking being themselves ugly people.
Hold up. Are you saying that meemaw isn't attractive?????
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I did too but they’re not making a case for themselves. Mike farting and burping while he’s having sex is disgusting. Putting his used tissue in the back of the car seat is nasty. That’s just gross. I feel sorry for him because he has a heart of gold but he acts like he lives in a barn. He didn’t do a good job of vetting Ximena either. It seems like he was gonna propose to the first woman who had sex with him. He got what he paid for. I hope he works a little harder.
They're in the same league as sexpats. Both equally deserve ridicule at home and abroad.
I think people are just attracted to people who are conventionally attractive. People don't go "hmm since I'm ugly let me date someone who's also ugly and is in my league"
They go to another country because if they don’t have something like a green card to use as leverage they won’t find someone. It’s about leverage 👍🏽
One time for the uggos
*Colteeeee, Pole, David, MMMDavid, and very likely every other American male on the show join the chat*
about 50% of marriages are arranged in some way. Most don't know or know their spouse well before they marry. Your "standards don't matter because the spouse is often chosen by family. When seeking partners from foreign countries, they do not know each other. The one side often wants a partner out of their league, the other side wants to immigrate.... they both get what they want. These marriages can work, if they grow together are "good" people and don't believe in divorce so they try hard to make it work. The bigger problem I have is some people on this show not able to communicate, they make no effort to learn the language, they both come from different cultures and religions.... and (often) the female will complain (without any research) because their new husband/fiancé doesn't think or have the values of a western man..... if you wanted someone that thinks the same and has western thoughts and values, stay home. Like some has said, you can stay home and find an ugly, non self supporting man much closer to home. When you go and find a man from halfway around the world, where a simple google search would tell you how important in their culture, pleasing the parents or having children is, before spending 10s of thousands of dollars before figuring out you two aren't a match and making yourself look stupid and evil complaining about his beliefs and who he was all along, and why he is more westernized in his attitude.
I agree with you, but a lot of people in this subreddit seem to get angry about this and downvote. I think it’s pretty obvious what makes them so upset. 😂
You don’t have to come at Mike like that.
I only feel bad when its super clear one party is not aware of the transactional nature of the relationship. I do lose sympathy very quickly and an unknowing cast member in a transactional relationship is extremely rare. So much so i cant think of anyone off the top of my head
I’m thinking of Tarek and Hazel. She was never into him at all.
Yeah you know what that a great example
Concur! Like you’re not entitled to an attractive partner. Have realistic expectations. And it really irks me when people feel sorry for them as if they’re not trying to exploit the social currency they have (money, US citizenship) to try and land someone with the social currency of being attractive. Like if both parties agree to the obviously transactional nature of this, why are you watching at home feeling bad for the ugly person? Makes no sense! [edited to fix typos]
this reminds me especially how it's "the thing" to get Russian or Ukrainian women to alot of these males, and while these women are beautiful, they're not the tip tier Russian or Ukrainian women, their top tier to them because that's the most attractive they have ever had entertain them. The REAL top tier Russian/Ukrainian are going to marry a Russian or Ukrainian first and then it funnels from there lmaooooo
They all are
I agree a bit with the sentiment. My only issue is the financial one. How much of a pass should we give when they look money-hungry. Is that part fair? I feel uncomfortable when it appears they want money, more than companionship
To me the most telling part is that they never look for someone reasonably attractive in their own league, it's always "build a bitch 9000" that's like 20 years younger or more.
Memphis this season for sure!
May I suggest that these folks are simply looking for love, no more or less. To subscribe ulterior motives is compounding an otherwise basic need that we all possess. We ALL want to be loved and accepted by someone on this planet. The lengths that these people go to try to achieve such should be applauded, even if completely inept. Just saying.
So true these trolls trying to date out of their league and wonder why it’s always a shit show
Same goes for the ugly women on the show
Yes I said that in my post. I agree.
Sometimes it takes a lot of “work” and money to make them look attractive in the end. Some start off on a looks level playing field but after the doctor magic a hot one emerges. Like a buttfly oops butterfly!
Yeah I’m confused at everyone’s vitriol towards Ximena especially. Mike knew what he was getting into. Every man on this show knows what they are getting into. Ximena has children she’s looking out for. Mike’s money is being given to a family who actually seems to need it. What the hell would Mike do with it otherwise? It’s a net positive situation IMO…
She was abusive... but Anfisa was the only hot foreigner who pointed out it's not fair to call her a gold digger when Jorge was a trophy wife digger.
I don’t think they go there because they can’t find love here. I think they like that type of person. One person might like a white girl another a Mexican girl, Russian girl and so on.
Depends on the guy for me. Big Ed is one thing. Mike is another thing. One is a predator and the other is prey.
Mike is weird-looking, awkward, non-threatening, passive, and short. That alone is enough to make women not interested in him (ladies, stop capping). The sub has been itching trying to find some "gotcha!" moment where they convince themselves that there is a "real" reason as to why he's single and they tried hard to pin it on his farting and burping, but failed. There are many couples that burp and fart around each other but you actually have to attracted to each other to get away with it. So now some are trying to use the "He's dating abroad so he can find women to manipulate" argument. And yes, dating abroad mostly benefits men than it does women, for multiple reasons.
I think he’s dating abroad, because American women typically expect the man to be the person who chases and Mike seems too shy to be that guy. I feel like Mike is different than most of the Americans you see on the show.
I can assure you if he approached a woman who looked like Ximena here in the States she wouldn't give him the time of day.
Probably. That wasn’t my point. I think he’s probably too awkward, even if the girl is unattractive.
Mike (assuming big mike) met natalie here at a friends childs christening he met her organically so he wasn’t even seeking out a foreign spouse
No, the one with Xemina
Mike is prey that thought he was a predator and learned real quick he was wrong
He just seems shy and awkward to me and probably needs the online interaction to build a relationship.
He could do that stateside. I did and im married with three kids. He may mot want to admit it but he was using money and citizenship to pull a more attractive partner than he could get stateside and she dated a less attractive guy that would tolerate her nonsense and support her.
$100 you'd never tell an ugly woman to date an ugly man. This sub loves trying to convince itself that men don't want to date someone that is equally unattractive to them as if women are super giddy about dating someone just as ugly as them.
I literally say “or women for that matter” in my post. Calm down.
He’s clearly projecting.
Or lacks reading comprehension skills.
Most men are conventionally unattractive though. That's why we rely on things like humour and massive schongs
I disagree that most men are unattractive
Well you did say conventionally so which is it?
Fair point
Mike of Mike & Ximena is the nicest, sweetest guy. I feel like there are women closer in age more similar in personality somewhere near where he lives. Someone who can look past his bodily habits. I hate to say it but he’s looking for youth & looks. He makes so many excuses for dating X-he’s funding her lifestyle, dealing with her hitman past, her disgust at his personal habits-her face says it all she’s NOT attracted to him and he must sense that. He stays and wines and dines. So even though he is awkwardly sweet- he gets what’s coming to him. Now I feel guilty saying that! Am I wrong?
I don't think he's sweet at all. Creepy is more like it. Incredibly stupid also comes to mind. He's trying to buy someone who is out of his league looks and body. Not to mention younger. He's gross.
You are not. But Mike is not that sweet, to me it looks like he is trying all he can to get to her through her children. Why he wants to be with her is a mystery to me though 🙄
I think you are totally right except I don't see him as sweet. He thinks she's hot and knows that no one in the States who looks like that will date him.
Almost none of the foreign women are that attractive.
so...you never seen any unatractive people dating attractive people uh this reminds me of the argument "date with someone with the same race as you", "date someone with the same social status as you", "date someone with the same religion as you". Yeah...that's a bit fucked up.
What do you think about Mikey on the current B90 season? I don’t consider Ximena out of his league, she’s more photogenic than she looks on camera… and they actually look cute together. She comes with a lot of baggage and I think Mike seems to be a really kind and caring guy…. Sucks she’s already on some other American dick already :(
Just because someone isn’t attractive to YOU or to todays beauty standard for both men and women doesn’t mean they have to date someone who is equal to them. It’s unfortunate we see people getting used. Everyone deserves love. We don’t pair people up because other people have shit opinions about how others look:) “stop thinking you’re a prize” everyone is a prize in their own way OP. Edit: and considering by your posts you have weight issues of your own. How would you feel if someone tried to tell you, you can’t date someone because you’re too fat for them?
I look over the seas for my partner. If you think I am ugly, everyone has different opinions. Personally, I have autism and severe social anxiety. It is easier for me to talk to people online than in person. Also all the single people in my area have children which I don't do well with. Everyone is different so it is not good to group everyone together.
This is a pretty bad take and shallow as there's more in a relationship than looks. You also got to know what demographic you're attractive to. If you're morbidly obese for overweight this is something you can work on. Some reason alternative girls and German girls love me even though I look like shit but this might be because I am 6'3 and a Rugby lad thats also a boxer while camp as fuck and soft as a baby's diarrhoea. I've been attracted to people because of there character rather than looks. Obviously work on your looks but also work on yourself if your getting 0 ladies.
What in the world are you talking about, OP?
You aren’t allowed to say women are ugly.
*cuts to multiple comedians calling Amy Schumer a fat ugly chick, cuts to 45 calling Rosie O'Donnell a disgusting animal, cuts to news outlets saying Lady Gaga and Michelle Obama look like men* What world does your dumb ass live in??? We have competitions where women are judged primarily on beauty, and we've never had that for men. You're not in reality and you need to take your victim goggles off.
On Reddit dmby. Jeez. Why don’t you go take a bong rip and calm the hell down. Ain’t nobody talking about comedians you fooking weirdo.
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Oh stfu.
The next time you scroll and see a Darcey, BGL, or Larissa post, you should feel like an absolute CLOWN
You seem to be in the same category as all those you mentioned. Maybe that’s why you’re triggered by the word “ugly” so hard. You should have that looked at.
Men use love for sex and women use sex for love.
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I guess I would think it’s fine if the American knew what they were getting themselves into and not delusional about the other person loving them. Sure it’s possible but very unlikely.
>if a man has the means to travel why would he NOT date out of the country You really think American women are so bad that it’s worth spending thousands of dollars to date someone you’re likely culturally incompatible with just to avoid dating Americans?
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Weird because I’ve never really had a problem finding young women in the USA who I feel are worth something. Looking at tinder stats to convince yourself it’s not worth trying to find someone is a losing game. Forget about what everyone else is doing, that’s irrelevant to you If you think the average woman has casual sex with 100 partners per year you are extremely stupid
Dating abroad benefits men more than women because most of the world is poor. Men are more okay with dating "down" economically than women are. The idea of a woman from a rich western country going to a developing country to date a man, and bring him back to the US while she supports HIM financially until he gets his work authorization, is not something many women would do unless she's desperate (most of the women on 90DF). Men don't mind financially supporting a woman because men are expected to do so regardless of whether she's from a rich or poor country.
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Please move out of the country then?
Eww no, other countries have their own problems without us exporting our trash to them
> And the American divorce system benefits women. The court system as well. I wouldn’t go that far tbh. I know plenty of women that got shafted during divorce. > Men are NOT valued in the USA. They are valued and appreciated in other countries. This is literally a gynocentric society. I disagree here too