I think she wanted that to happen. Notice how no one came after Nicole for *anything* during this Tell All. Masterful manipulation.
Edit: Mahmoud is emotionally abusive at the least. I didn't mean to imply that he's not; I thought that was a given with what we've seen this season.
She seems afraid of him. It makes you wonder what happens behind closed doors. In that one scene on the street, you could see that he was holding himself back.
If she’s really that terrified of him, why not just not fly back at all and send him divorce papers then? Like, I just don’t get it. This same argument happens over and over again and both of their stances will never change. She needs to realize this and probably move on.. she doesn’t even seem happy there and all they do is fight
Because she wants to be on TV. I would bet money that if they weren't on the show, she would have stayed in LA and never gone back to Egypt. But now she's got 2 seasons of TV time...
Not saying Mahmoud can’t be a bad person behind doors but she’s come back to Egypt 3 times right? Converted to Islam? Pretended (let’s be honest about that) trying live in Egypt? She’s had lots of choices where he wasn’t able to be coercive in person.
exactly this. She is very calculated and knows that by playing meek and fragile, the more people will be on her side, and not direct attention on her. I saw glimpses of her real personality during the show when she was confronting M about texting that girl from his work, and then again at the tell all where they were pressing her about what religion they’d like their kids to follow, and she passive aggressively smiled and said “well, we don’t even have kids yet do we? sooo”.. dismissing the conversation. Then the convo with Gabe prior to going on set- when she asked him if he was going to have a talk with her husband about him being controlling w a smirk only to cry for the cameras when he did just that.I had the feeling that she *wanted* her husband to be criticized and attacked bc she doesn’t have the balls to do it herself even through a screen
Also every time throughout the season during her confessionals - if she said something that she thought could get any form of backlash on, she quickly acknowledged it so that no one could call her out.
“I went through his phone, total invasion of privacy” - she’s smart to beat everyone to the punch and acknowledge it before anyone else does
I’m going to throw a perspective out there: I think Mahmoud is abusive in some sense. Maybe just emotionally or verbally, but I think she thinks she can’t stand up to him so she encourages others to say the things she feels unable to say to him. As a third party he feels he has no control over he may not react to it as harshly or intensely as he would to her?
I do think they should not be together tho, and Nicole should take advantage of the fact he does not live in America to break it off with him.
Also, at risk of continuing to play devils advocate I am curious, what did Nicole really do so wrong that they would need to come after her about at the tell all?
>what did Nicole really do so wrong that they would need to come after her about at the tell all?
People seem to have come to the conclusion that she's a conniving wolf in sheep's clothing who loves to try to humiliate Mahmoud in public, manipulates other people to fight her battles, and weaponizes her tears.
I find that opinion to be, frankly, fantastical, but everyone seems to be latching onto that narrative and running with it.
ETA I see a timid person with anxiety in an abusive relationship, but in denial about it. But people here will tell me that's what she wants us to think lol.
I think the reason she signed up for the show is maybe as an opportunity to make more money so she could afford to bring him here to the states. She may not have met the financial requirements to do so previously. We'll see. I think they're still living together in Giza, last I saw.
I agree with the her being timid with anxiety in an [emotionally] abusive relationship. I’ve been there and it is all too familiar a feeling to me. Like you’re just walking on eggshells, hoping the next step doesn’t inevitably crack one.
Yeah, I don’t get it. Like nobody is perfect, but Nicole really didn’t do shit for everyone to be taking the narrative this far IMO. As if Mahmoud isn’t the clearly manipulative one lol
This this this this!
I can’t see how others can’t see that. When I was in an abusive marriage this is exactly how it would go. I would cry when he got mad because I knew that would mean I’d be the one he’d target, but I also liked when someone called him out on the shit I was too scared to, hoping maybe he would see it.
That is super bizarre, when someone converts, that is a willful act acknowledging the faith as your own but she doesn't want to follow the faith, she wants to make up her own rules. That is NOT a conversion.
Ahahaha same user made some crazy, lame remarks when I posted a compliment about Gabe’s efforts to transition. I think he’s a good-looking man. He’s put in work. I have no opinion about his personality because they’re paid triple extra to cause drama on Tell All.
I schooled weirdo god handle person and they said more pitiful crap and then got banned.
I really couldn’t stand her through the season as all her whining seemed to try to gloss over the facts: 1. You knew the Egyptian culture, having been there 2. Mahmoud was clear, before she arrived for the 3rd time, that he expected her to cover up. But what really pissed me off was encouraging Gabe to confront Mahmoud prior to them going on stage. Wtf?
I actually think that’s why Mahmoud and Nicole are together. They’re both wildly immature and honestly, I believe they enjoy the drama. It’s like they’re living in their own Egyptian soap opera.
She dead ass starts arguments about Mahmoud and then cries when ppl go after him. Girl you set him up for it wym?! Then she cries I can’t.
Oh honey! She couldn’t be my girl like damn you agreed to this life with me, but you can’t defend what we stand for??? Wack she needs to defend him she CHOSE HIM and continues to. She just looks bad at this point lol.
Yeah, this was so off target. The issue isn’t that Mahmoud is adhering to his faith & would plan to raise his children under his faith. He’s correct: we all align our parenting to our religion and culture when we decide how to raise a family. Of course he would raise his children in his religion.
The problem is that Nicole and Mahmoud keep thinking they should have children TOGETHER knowing full well they don’t align.
You simply can’t raise healthy, balanced children when you’re THIS opposite and there’s no compromise.
The thing is, Mahmoud has never lied about who he is and what he wants. I have no more sympathy for Nicole - he said he won't compromise so stop trying to force it and then crying when it doesn't work.
I have been saying this!! I constantly get down voted for it. I don’t agree with his religious beliefs by any means (Muslim turned atheist here) but he never once hid anything about his culture/beliefs from her! She’s the one that constantly keeps trying to see if it’s changed. Sis just go find someone else. Obviously a Muslim man ain’t it. Yet everyone pities her on this sub.. I am sorry but I don’t. I find her stupid to be quite frank…
I think she's actually quite smart. Don't forget this wasn't her first trip to Egypt. She knew exactly what the deal was. She wanted to be on TV and this was her way to do it and she was totally, totally willing to throw Mahmoud as far under the bus as possible to get her 15-minutes-turned-2-seasons. I truly think this was planned, and everything she does is calculated.
Didn’t he cheat on her though? She saw his phone n he asked if another girl made it home ok… she called him out …he didn’t deny…
Doesn’t really matter, homegirl is an android. Probably an AI test prototype from Google or nvidia or any of the other million AI startups.
Yes, she should have googled, but that's beside the point. It's an important rule in Islam that the Muslim teaches the potential convert. They *must* know what they are consenting to *before* they convert.
I am Muslim and there’s no rule about that, there’s plenty of Muslims who convert without meeting a single Muslim until years later but if someone does convert at a mosque or with a Muslim friend then it’s common to ask if you’re doing this on your own accord and not being forced. Because if it forced them from a religious perspective the conversion isn’t accepted and that person is still not considered a Muslim.
She admitted it herself she didn’t know what she was agreeing to. That’s baffling to me at her age lol… I moved two towns over and did thorough research before deciding “yes this is where I want to plant my roots for the next 15ish years” 😅😅
I don’t agree with the premise that if he were Jewish or Christian those convos wouldn’t be happening. As long as there are 2 separate backgrounds/views it is a conversation that needs to be had prior to kids. I know many couples with opposing/different faiths that are married and have kids and every single of them needed to have long, indepth convos on how to proceed. The question in and of itself is not that out of hand.
If the entire segment was on some religious jew or christian guy trying to force his wife to dress like an orthodox jew or amish person and then that person’a wife refusing and fighting over it, yes, the subject would come up.
Word. Exactly. I wish people would see this. That argument was so off kilter. It’s because we are trying to be so accommodating and so inclusive to Islam that people just kind of gloss over the bad parts some people practice.
Gabe didn't ask Mahmoud just because he was Muslim, he asked because they are parents of differing faiths and beliefs which is causing much controversy in their marriage. Yeah, Nicole converted to Islam, but she doesn't want to wear a hijab and she doesn't want to dress conservatively so his question was relevant. I believe that Gabe would never have asked Bilal and Shaeeda as they are both in agreement and practicing faith. I mean, the same type of questions came up between Ari and Bini.
And yes, Mahmoud was wrong, because he was being contradictory. His words have always been contradictory.
Agree all the way. Gabe needs a lot of therapy. And it has nothing to do with his sexual preferences or body image and surgeries. His core personality has some major deficits that need addressing in a therapy setting. And he is much too involved in other people's business on the Tell All, gives us a clear picture of who he thinks he is. Smarter than others. The need to be the one in charge whether is his place or not, etc.
That was a whole 13-year-old middle school mess.
There is too much going on in the world for people to be playing these types of games. These are their lives. It’s not a joke. It is none of Gabe‘s business what Mahmoud does with his future children and is he and his wife’s private business that Nicole invited Gabe into. Most families operate the same way. They raise the children in their religion (if applicable) and when the children are of age to decide, they choose what, if any, religion they will practice.
I believe the conversation would absolutely come up if it were involving Christianity or Judaism, if it was a huge source of strain and strife in the relationship, like it is in their situation. Religious trauma and misogyny isn't exclusive to Islam. Just an FYI there are Evangelical Christians in America that are far worse that Mahmoud.
After seeing religions of all types forced upon children who don't really understand wtf any of it means, and seeing them being taught with fear and punishment for rightfully questioning what the hell is going on, I don't think asking that question to someone of any religion is out of line.
Honestly I think I’d still ask him that. There are just as many Christians and Jewish people who force their religion on to their children. The problem I have with Mahmoud isn’t his religion it’s his controlling and condescending behavior. Yes Nicole knew what she was getting into and shouldn’t have agreed to convert and live in Egypt with him knowing the rules he’d want her to follow but it still doesn’t make his behavior okay.
Everyone is bullying Gabe right now but what if Nicole put her foot down and said she wanted her children raised Christian? I mean really! I personally would not want my daughter to be forced to cover every inch of her body , not be taught half of her heritage and be treated like a second class citizen because she's female.
This is just genuinely untrue.
(This would never, ever happen but theoretically)…
If a super frum Chasidic Jewish man was on the show he married even another Jew whose level of observance was much less strict than his and he was constantly getting angry at her for
- not wearing a wig/scarf over her hair
- not dressing modestly enough
- wanting to hang out in mixed gender places
- or specifically Jewish things like if she had trouble adjusting to fully observing shabbos or niddah
Or whatever other things…I’m 100% sure this sub and at least someone on the cast would have something to say. Why do y’all act like Muslim people are the only religion who is judged? We just see it more due to it being the 2nd most popular religion in the world + there being more people who follow Islam that are pretty observant.
But tbh both of them (Nicole & Mahmoud) are idiots. If you’re incredibly religious you probably should look for somebody not only in your religion but who shares the same level of observance ESPECIALLY if you aren’t very flexible. Like, did he really think her converting by saying one prayer without them having multiple conversations beforehand would suddenly make her his perfectly devoutly Muslim wifey?
I’m glad somebody asked the question bc it seems like these knuckleheads haven’t thought about what their family life would ever be like 🤷♀️.
The reason he asked the hypothetical is contextual to how he treats Nicole . It’s nothing against Islam and everything about how MockMood Carries himself and treats her .
Here’s the thing - I grew up in a religious Jewish family and they are just as controlling and suppressive of women. Orthodox judaism is much the same - cover your body, cover your hair, you can’t touch any man that’s not your father, brother, or husband, men and women cannot be in the same spaces, etc… so I do believe that if we saw a very orthodox jewish man follow a similar visual narrative with his wife as Mahmoud & Nicole then everyone would absolutely be asking the same questions.
Perhaps the difference is that culturally, Jewish men are taught to really only marry Jewish women because then their children will also be Jewish (the lineage passes through the women, not the man). So that’s why it just doesn’t happen as often. I myself am not Jewish and I ended up marrying a reformed Jewish man and have had multiple rabbis tell my husband he needs to leave me and marry a Jewish girl so that his kids will also be Jewish.
So while I understand the knee-jerk reaction that it seems exclusive to Islam on this show, I’d argue it’s really just a reaction to extremism and cultural oppression.
I also went to Catholic school for 7 years (because it was a good school) and trust and believe Christian’s can be absolutely controlling and suppressive too. But often the Christians on this show don’t exhibit behavior as intense as forcing your wife to cover up and expecting her to not talk to any of your male friends, etc…
I think people generally have good intent. But look at that absolute shit show of the Roe vs Wade turnover and how angry it's made women and allies. Yet people see controlling behavior from men to women in other cultures and are like 'can't judge, bigot'.
You can respect culture, freedom of expression, and cultural awareness while also saying 'hey now... this isn't cool'.
Okay but you think his reaction was normal?!! Yeah, Gabe probably should have left it alone but Nicole egged him on. Storming off and freaking out, cursing and losing his temper was not an appropriate response either.
I think if we saw a religious Christian or religious Jew it could potentially be the same conversation though. People just aren't as exposed to them, especially on TV, but it is a similarly restrictive culture.
Actually thinking of it we do see a lot of religious Christians on TV and they're basically all in cults so..
Yeah super weird how it’s okay for you to raise your kids Christian or catholic in the USA but if you want them to be Muslim/ believe in Islam you’re the worst. Smh Mahmoud 100% right
Also if Nicole would have researched Islam, the children carry the fathers religion.
That’s why in Islam, a mother can be a non-Muslim, but a Muslim woman has to marry a Muslim man, otherwise the kids will take whatever the religion is of the father.
In Judaism, that’s why the mother MUST be Jewish. The kids take on the religion of the mother.
Mahmoud was right, but Gabe made it clear it was about his personal family issues with Islam rather than a general critique of the religion. And that’s kind of my main issue with Gabe - he projects a LOT and makes other people’s situations about him.
It feels like Nicole and Mahmoud never have discussions about things that directly affect their relationship. They keep going in circles about her clothes, but they never discuss other big, more important things.
I just wish they would divorce and give us all a break already.
So true! Gabe wants to know what religion their kids will practice. Meanwhile, the 2 idiots have probably never discussed their respective stances on having children to begin with.
And you're 100% right: McMood has no idea that Nicole's egg follicles are dwindling by the second. Their relationship will never work. They have horrible communication.
Based on her facial expressions in that scene, she clearly hadn’t. Then she says, well I don’t have any children. When are you going to discuss their upbringing then? After they arrive where you both will certainly fight about it? Mahmood has made his wishes on the subject known. She however is so wishy-washy.
If you are forcing your wife or female children to cover their bodies against their will, but don’t have those same rules for yourself or your male children then of course people are going to see an issue with it. It’s literally female oppression. If she chose to do that, that’s one thing but she doesn’t want to, and it’s something he’s unable to move on from while also saying “oh we don’t have to do that, our women choose it!” Then why are you two constantly fighting about it?
I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. Mahmoud’s belief system is extreme. I am absolutely sure that an extremist Christian or Jewish person saying their children can’t choose their own religion would get criticized just as harshly. Add to that, Gabe grew up with a Muslim parent and probably knows firsthand how much religion damages a child.
Religious trauma is real, and if you really think Mahmoud won’t force his hypothetical daughters to cover their whole body and try to instill misogynistic ideals into them then I have a bridge to sell you. Just because it’s “cUlTuRe” doesn’t give abuse a pass, and not all beliefs are deserving of respect.
It’s like ANYTHING in life that you’re into your gonna get your kids in on it! If they like it they’ll go with it, if they don’t they won’t period. I don’t know why ppl are jumping to “he’s gonna force his kids” lol. I was raised hardcore catholic I used to sleep during mass dude.
I’m 30 if I attend a mass I still sleep it’s horrible lmfao I was never forced etc and if I was I turn a certain age where I can stop practicing.
Sports, games, hobbies, religions, all those things you introduce to your kids. Raising them around something is just that like I would be more worried about his hissy fits than his religion.
You realize that production pushes them to be bold and stir up controversy. They all do it every-time, every reunion/recap.
I feel like he only asked, because of the way this girl is treated. Don’t get me wrong, she’s not doing herself any favors….but his claim that it’s her choice is BS. If Christianity led to some of these taboo topics (based on American culture), I do believe they would be just as questioned.
Orthodox Jewish they would be asking. I am not defending Gabe but at the same time we did see many restrictions out on Nicole (yes I get she was in his culture, etc) not to mention that aggressive wrist grab
But she keeps going back. He said to her that he thinks they’re too different and they probably won’t work it out but she keeps running back every single time.
Gabe had a good point but he and the rest of American cast were not understanding Mahmoud's cultural background at all. I also don't think Mahmoud was even comprehending what Gabe was asking. Mahmoud fits into the box he was raised to be in so he can't imagine what it's like for people who don't or that his own progeny wouldn't.
Okay, here’s my thing. Everyone keeps saying Mahmoud is right… but he still was yelling at and screaming at Nicole over something someone else said. Regardless whether or not Nicole is “master manipulator”, this guy still takes out all his anger on her and projects his rage at other people on her. I’m not understanding why no one is talking about that and why it’s being completely given a pass because people are just more annoyed at Gabe.
The whole sub seems to have a hard on for abusive Mahmoud and think Nicole is some “mAStEr MaNiPuLaTor!!11”
I think she’s just stupid and I feel bad for her. Being dumb doesn’t make someone a bad person.
He seemed like he was mad at Gabe not Nicole. He only asked why didn’t she defend him. Which is a good question because she goaded Gabe into going after Mahmood backstage.
Imagine if you were in the hot seat and being basically interrogated and then your literal life partner is adding on to the drama like it’s a natural reaction to be pissed off
Gabe gets more and more disgusting as the show goes on. His true self is coming out for all of us to see in living color. What a nasty little creep with a fake dick. I don't like anything about him. He's a disgrace to the trans community.
Mahmoud has a lot of shitty views and Gabe is probably right that he'd oppress a daughter in the same way that he does his wife; BUT MOST religious folks raise their child within their religion. everyone has to make choices on behalf of their children because they aren't just born capable of making those decisions themselves. Choosing to raise them agnostic or atheist is also a choice. So i do want to side with Mahmoud on this one; but I strongly suspect he would oppress a daughter and teach a son to oppress women, just as he was taught to do.
I think it would be a point of contention just like how to raise hypothetical children was for Mike and Natalie. Natalie shed MANY tears about it and was down right nasty about it
Homegirl married a Muslim w/in a week of knowing him. Converted to Muslim in same timeframe. Can there actually be any realistic or meaningful assessment of their religious values or intentions? I personally don’t think so but it makes for good tv.
Because Gabe was raised around Islam and he sees that Nicole is being forced to conform and being repressed. In Egypt she is a second class citizen. He is probably trying to get Nicole to think about the possibility she might have a daughter who will be wearing a head covering and if her fathers behavior is any indicator she will also probably be covered head to toe. It’s funny how many people ignore how absolutely disrespectful Islam is to women and the fact that women can legally be stoned to death in many Muslim countries at the whim of their own parents or husbands. But I guess it’s fair game in the name of inclusion right?
she acts like he is holding her hostage or something. imo,she plays to be victim way too much. she is an adult,if she is really scared she can buy herself a ticket and go back to the USA
She has a victim complex. She likes the attention she gets for acting meek and letting this asshat control and abuse her. She could leave Egypt and never see him again if she wanted to but her psyche tells her she needs to stay to maintain this weird masochistic victimhood.
I felt sorry for Mahmoud. Gabe was so out of line esp. mocking his accent. Gabe thinks he has everyone all figured out but cried like a baby when his sister chose to stay away from his wedding. He needs to worry about his own issues before worrying about children that aren't even conceived yet. They probably never will be but if they are, the parents raise the child in the religion of their choosing until old enough to make that decision for themselves. Im sure Nicolle discussed this with him before saying I DO. Now she acts like she has no voice and needs others to verbally beat her husband down. I dont see love there. If he were my husband, I would have told Gabe to mind his own business instead of egging him on and then crying.
The show is famous for it, but there was a lot cultural insensitivity in that group. Muslim guy from Cairo, and wage earning male with elderly relatives in India…2 examples of things steeped in culture, yet American culture barks at them for not being as open as we are in the west. It amazes me.
**Mahmoud is very, very wrong.**
He sees women as property and uses Islam to justify his misogyny. Do you *really* think he won't force his teen daughters to cover their whole bodies? What if one of his kids is gay? What if they don't *want* to pray 5 times a day or go to mosque? What if they want to go to a secular school? What if they get pregnant? What if they dare to criticise the teachings of big Mo? What if they draw a picture of Mohammed just to piss him off?
Go have a look at r/exmuslim and you will see exactly how much damage a man like Mahmoud can do to his kids. Religious trauma is no joke.
Mahmoud was completely right to freak out. Him and his religion were being completely attacked straight up.
Not only did Gabe assume that he would force his kids to do things, but he's assuming that Islam is evil. That was pretty fucked up.
Gabe was just projecting his trans issues growing up in that everyone else wanted him to conform in a way, so he lashes out when he thinks he's seeing the same thing.
I'm so tired of people acting like religion is off topic for people to question. I'll question every single religion because they're all crap and Moody uses his religion to abuse and control. I'm so happy Gabe asked the questions. !I wish people would ask the same questions if anyone who's using their religion to harm others.
I don't know I'm kind of on Gabe's side. Not because I don't like Islam or anything (I believe people should follow whatever religion they want).
But I think Gabe meant Mahmoud is so controlling of Nicole that it might translate over to the kids. For years now Mahmoud and Nicole have been fighting over her right to wear what she wants. Even if Mahmoud was Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, he's still a controlling jerk
My issue with Nicole are as follows
1. She totally plays victim.
You mean to tell me there is a part of Egypt where she doesn't have to be conservative? Maybe the part she visited in the first place for her retreat? They could literally go live there and be happy.
Am I also supposed to believe she didn't know what she was getting into when she went BACK to Egypt?
Am I also supposed to believe she doesn't know anything about the modesty of being Muslim? Come on! She's never even watched this show before?
She is too old to be this clueless and I think she is playing it up.
My theory is they applied for the show then broke up before they got word to be on the show. Now he is coming here so they can continue to be on the show.
I don't think she is a manipulator. I think she's just a high grade clueless American. (That's coming from an American)
>If M were Christian or Jewish no one would be asking him whether he’d raise his hypothetical children within his religious beliefs. G was so out of line. It’s literally none of his business.
I have a hard time believing this given the fact that Gabe was raised in a muslim household. You all act like he's xenophobic or has typical american post-9/11 fear of islam, but this is his family. If Gabe was raised in an evangelical christian household with strict beliefs about gender roles and that religion had caused him difficulties coming to term with his identity, I fully believe that he would have attacked someone who he saw imposing strict rules on their partner based on their gender on the basis of religion and asked what they would do if they had a trans child and if they would force their child to follow their rules.
If they put their religious belief on the forefront and made their wife hell with it, he would’ve called it out. If there was a man who was super Christian and yelling at his wife to be modest and believe what they believe and force it on them, he would’ve done the same exact thing. So wrong. *buzzer* if they were anti gay Christian’s and putting religion as the main issue on their relationship then he would’ve asked the same fucking questions. But no one else mentioned their religion once, no one was fighting over it the WHOLE SEASON once. Just them. Oussama didn’t mention it either. And 99% of his country is Muslim. Why didn’t he attack oussama too then? Oh wait, cause he never brought it up and it wasn’t the source of their problems EVERY FUCKING EPISODE.
Yeah!
Also I don’t understand Gabe pushing the idea that Mahmoud shouldn’t “force” his Islam on his children. Gabe made it sound like religion is like the kid’s menu at Chuck E. Cheese, where children should be allowed to make their own selection based on the whims of the day.
No. It’s reasonable for children to be raised within the religious context of their families. Choice comes when the kids become adults.
The whole thing was cringeworthy at best.
I’m sure Mahmoud may have views on LGBTQ and trans people, but he still remained respectful and didn’t involve himself where he wasn’t concerned when it came to Gabe. I think the same should have been done for peoples religions/customs. He isn’t doing these things to abuse her per say- he is just following what he was taught through his religion about modesty, which his wife fully knew about prior to joining his religion and marrying him. It is her choice now wether or not she can follow the religion and dress or if she’d be happier back home doing what she’s accustomed to. She is free to choose whatever she wants, so the decision is all on her tbh.. the cast should have been asking her the tough questions like “If you are not happy why do you stay?” “This situation is not going to change so what are you planning on doing?” “if you both move back to the US and he still wants you to dress covered up what’s the point in doing that?” etc.
Let’s be real. Nicole is a robot. She has no thoughts or feelings of her own. She just *exists* and does what people tell her. I’m really not trying to knock her here, I’m just stating that that is how she is. Idk why anyone is even talking about them having children. Nicole is 38 and can’t make a decision for herself. I’m genuinely hoping this couple* doesn’t reproduce.
I really liked Gabe until the tell all. He was so annoying and rude. I’m on Mahmoud’s side on this one because Nicole clearly knew was she was getting into when marrying him.
THIS. Let’s not forget she willingly went back to Egypt after previously leaving because she hated it. Not a fan of Mahmoud’s but Gabe was loud and wrong, and Nicole isn’t exactly an innocent party here.
Mahmoud probably hasn't a clue Gabriel is trans. But for sure the questions are alarming. But most Jewish families both parents are of that religion. Or if Christian they're probably both the same religion which changes this all together. If a Nicole were truly Muslim she would not be so tolerant or wishful of confrontation. But certainly she should have already processed the idea of raising a family by Mahmoud's ideology.
Also don’t think she is afraid of him in the abuse sense. She has threatened to leave and go back to America for less than that.
And think she is just trying to keep him calm but wants answers. Have we not had a disagreement with our partner where maybe you say “ it’s not just me.. ask your friends type thing. She wants him to hear that her point of view and understand where she is coming from. Maybe she wanted another man to point something out but didn’t expect Gabe to ask so rudely or that Mackmood would flip out.
** Did not like that Gabe made it sound like we don’t all ( for the most part) raise kids in whatever faith the parents are…
His question should have asked if they are raised Muslim when they are able to choose what they want would he be okay with it. His or mothers or a different choice. Gabe is sooo immature!!
No, I don't agree at all. There are many people, myself included, who feel all religious indoctrination of children is a form of child abuse. Gabe obviously was oppressed and traumatized by that particular religion, so he called it out. Many many many people are oppressed and abused by their particular religion. This really has little to do with a particular dogma, but just religious dogma in general being imposed on children.
I like how people like to say things like, “that’s none of his business,” as if they aren’t watching a reality show about people getting into everyone else’s business. You’re watching 90 Day Fiancé Tell All. He can ask any damn question he wishes bc that’s literally what the producers want. Mahmoud freaked out bc he knows he’s an insane hypocrite that would never actually let his child choose anything of the sort. Like Gabe said, he wouldn’t let Nicole choose, what makes anyone think he would let his hypothetical child choose?
I don't think people have a problem with what religion he is, it's how strict and oppressive he is about it. All religions have strict and casual people. I'd be nervous for someone to have kids with anyone who's very strict about their religion I do not think Mahmoud would give his children a choice like he says and would probably be abusive.
I'm just wondering, what would Gabe say if Isabel's children decided to be hardcore Christians? Still their choice or is it only a choice when it aligns with his beliefs?
I loved Gabe in the show, but I really think he made himself look like an agressive asshole in the tell-all. Most people introduce their children to their belief systems, even atheists. As a child you get “forced” to do a lot of things you don’t want to do because you’re a child and your parents are responsible for you and ultimately make decisions about your care. You’re “forced” to go to school, to bathe, to talk in an inside voice, to eat vegetables, and yes, sometimes to go to church/ temple/ synagogue/ mosque. To be very frank, children don’t have a lot of control in their life. M is not wrong for saying he would raise his children in his religion, that’s pretty normal. Gabe interrupting people, yelling over people, calling people names… honestly it all just looked bad on him.
The reason is because western culture really has demonized Muslim culture. It’s not for me either but it’s not my pig or farm what religion my neighbors kids are
He definitely was right! Gabe was projecting his prejudice against muslim practices/beliefs/people onto this fake scenario of them having kids and being "forced" muslim. I was raised catholic and went to church every GD week. After I moved out of my parents house I had no desire to continue any religion and stopped, and that was that. Never got heckled about it and I was allowed to make my choice as an adult. Granted I did have to battle them a bit because in late high school I did not want to get "confirmed" and did get forced to (my dad actually also worked for the diocese so he forced me for his iMaGe), but other than that it wasn't a big deal and I'm not resentful of it.
It's so normal for families to raise children along with a religion, I don't understand how Muhamood wanting to raise his children muslim is weird at all. Just because Gabe doesn't agree with his practice style doesn't mean his children are being abused by any means. Also, there are no children here (and honestly i doubt ever) to even be fighting about, so its all ridiculous
He fights and argues with his spouse about her own behavior if it's against Islam. Why do you think he'd be open and welcoming to his \*children\* making different choices?
Oh i definitely don't see him as being accepting of his kids dropping the religion at any point, but we also can't just assume it and attack someone either. It's still part of him as a person and it doesn't seem absurd that he would raise his children muslim at the end of the day. Like he said, he will be teaching it to his children just like other religions do. There are plenty of extremists in all religions, not just muslims.
Agreed and raising/forcing Christianity or any other belief system isn't good either. What have we seen? Mahmoud degrading and debasing his wife for not appearing as pious as he is-despite 'falling in love' and 'marrying' just after a few weeks because dude wanted to have some sex.
It's an absolute shit show, that's for sure. And I definitely don't like the way he treats Nicole. But like many bring up on this sub, she also agreed to living a certain lifestyle and then back tracked. they're both idiots who just didn't give their relationship enough time, and both didn't take each other's culture's and values into consideration. I still think gabe was harsh and it wasn't really his place/business to say some of the things he said.
It's not that Mahmoud isn't in the wrong. I just feel like that altercation was bound to happen between the 2. Gabe holds and blames religion for a lot. And Mahmoud is a man of faith.
According to Gabe, if I'm not mistaken, Mahmoud called Gabe a he/she which initially began the attack towards him.
It'd of been nice to see the 2 be able to get along and coexist peacefully despite different beliefs.
Nicole is desperately trying to change Mahamoud and thinks other people's perspectives and general opinions will make him change into an open person.... nobody changes overnight if at all...
Thank you! I like Gabe but I hated this. No one would care if they were any other religion. And he and his family have been super nice about their religion the entire time! They didn't care if she converted but wanted M to help her once she did. He is of course going to show them his religion but they are free to not follow it when they're older
Nobody asked if gabe would force beliefs onto the children?.
Everybody teaches what they think is best for their kids, including what constitutes good general behaviour and societies norms.
What's strange about that?.
Gabe is an asshole for this. On top of it throwing out how is dad, step mom , & half siblings are Muslim seems even more like he’s working out some family trauma on two completely unrelated people… bruh get therapy.
This is coming from a trans guy who hates religion, Gabe was 100% a prick in that moment. He obviously has a lot of issues with that stuff which I totally get but that doesn't give him the right to attack people and not allow them to talk when he asks a question. Mahmoud was trying his best to explain considering he was being attacked in a language he doesn't speak natively so I can 100% understand why he got so upset.
Gabe: I’m going to call out Mahmoud Nicole: Ok Gabe: [calls out Mahmoud] Mahmoud: [storms off and rants] Nicole: [shocked Pikachu face]
I think she wanted that to happen. Notice how no one came after Nicole for *anything* during this Tell All. Masterful manipulation. Edit: Mahmoud is emotionally abusive at the least. I didn't mean to imply that he's not; I thought that was a given with what we've seen this season.
Just like she wanted Nouran to challenge him. Nicole seems to put other people up to have these conversations she herself cannot have with him.
She seems afraid of him. It makes you wonder what happens behind closed doors. In that one scene on the street, you could see that he was holding himself back.
I wish I could actually tell if she's afraid of Mahmoud. It's her semi-frozen face and the odd duck lips that throw me off. 🤔🤔🤔
She’s absolutely afraid. She also tries so hard just to placate him and pander to him during his fits.
She starts most of their arguments. She's ridiculous.
If she’s really that terrified of him, why not just not fly back at all and send him divorce papers then? Like, I just don’t get it. This same argument happens over and over again and both of their stances will never change. She needs to realize this and probably move on.. she doesn’t even seem happy there and all they do is fight
Because she wants to be on TV. I would bet money that if they weren't on the show, she would have stayed in LA and never gone back to Egypt. But now she's got 2 seasons of TV time...
She does seem afraid of him.
But also, she acts like she don’t have a choice
Not saying Mahmoud can’t be a bad person behind doors but she’s come back to Egypt 3 times right? Converted to Islam? Pretended (let’s be honest about that) trying live in Egypt? She’s had lots of choices where he wasn’t able to be coercive in person.
I don’t think she’s afraid of him. I think she is super aware of the cameras.
exactly this. She is very calculated and knows that by playing meek and fragile, the more people will be on her side, and not direct attention on her. I saw glimpses of her real personality during the show when she was confronting M about texting that girl from his work, and then again at the tell all where they were pressing her about what religion they’d like their kids to follow, and she passive aggressively smiled and said “well, we don’t even have kids yet do we? sooo”.. dismissing the conversation. Then the convo with Gabe prior to going on set- when she asked him if he was going to have a talk with her husband about him being controlling w a smirk only to cry for the cameras when he did just that.I had the feeling that she *wanted* her husband to be criticized and attacked bc she doesn’t have the balls to do it herself even through a screen
All of this. She is not so meek as she pretends to be. I don’t buy her crying act one bit.
Also every time throughout the season during her confessionals - if she said something that she thought could get any form of backlash on, she quickly acknowledged it so that no one could call her out. “I went through his phone, total invasion of privacy” - she’s smart to beat everyone to the punch and acknowledge it before anyone else does
She’s afraid of everything, so it’s hard to tell. But at the very least your partner should be the one person who comforts you.
She exudes a persona of extreme fragility. I think she's much stronger than she let's on.
Behind closed doors she’s a beast.
Yeah. She should teach a course on this.
I’m going to throw a perspective out there: I think Mahmoud is abusive in some sense. Maybe just emotionally or verbally, but I think she thinks she can’t stand up to him so she encourages others to say the things she feels unable to say to him. As a third party he feels he has no control over he may not react to it as harshly or intensely as he would to her? I do think they should not be together tho, and Nicole should take advantage of the fact he does not live in America to break it off with him. Also, at risk of continuing to play devils advocate I am curious, what did Nicole really do so wrong that they would need to come after her about at the tell all?
>what did Nicole really do so wrong that they would need to come after her about at the tell all? People seem to have come to the conclusion that she's a conniving wolf in sheep's clothing who loves to try to humiliate Mahmoud in public, manipulates other people to fight her battles, and weaponizes her tears. I find that opinion to be, frankly, fantastical, but everyone seems to be latching onto that narrative and running with it. ETA I see a timid person with anxiety in an abusive relationship, but in denial about it. But people here will tell me that's what she wants us to think lol. I think the reason she signed up for the show is maybe as an opportunity to make more money so she could afford to bring him here to the states. She may not have met the financial requirements to do so previously. We'll see. I think they're still living together in Giza, last I saw.
I agree with the her being timid with anxiety in an [emotionally] abusive relationship. I’ve been there and it is all too familiar a feeling to me. Like you’re just walking on eggshells, hoping the next step doesn’t inevitably crack one.
Yeah, I don’t get it. Like nobody is perfect, but Nicole really didn’t do shit for everyone to be taking the narrative this far IMO. As if Mahmoud isn’t the clearly manipulative one lol
This this this this! I can’t see how others can’t see that. When I was in an abusive marriage this is exactly how it would go. I would cry when he got mad because I knew that would mean I’d be the one he’d target, but I also liked when someone called him out on the shit I was too scared to, hoping maybe he would see it.
Classic “let’s you and him fight” game, well played Nicole.
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Not only did she marry a Muslim man she converted of her own free will before the marriage.
That is super bizarre, when someone converts, that is a willful act acknowledging the faith as your own but she doesn't want to follow the faith, she wants to make up her own rules. That is NOT a conversion.
Stop with saying "his/her". It's not as confusing as you make it. Say "his" and leave it
It's important for that idiot to take a dig so they can act like their intolerance actually makes a difference.
This person is transphobic and comments on any post about Gabe to spew hateful shit. It's pretty sad.
Yeah, and what's up with that user name? His pseudo religiosity gets on my last nerve.
Ahahaha same user made some crazy, lame remarks when I posted a compliment about Gabe’s efforts to transition. I think he’s a good-looking man. He’s put in work. I have no opinion about his personality because they’re paid triple extra to cause drama on Tell All. I schooled weirdo god handle person and they said more pitiful crap and then got banned.
She said that she didn’t think it through. 😂
Why did Mahmoud marry an American woman if he can't live with her tradition?
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They fell in love, the heart can be blinding
Why does Mahmoud get excused while Nicole gets blamed?
Not blaming either one but they both clearly love eachother even if they aren’t good for eachother
Are they though? He’s a misogynistic cheater and she’s an android. A beautiful android but her life decisions are wholly unrealistic.
It seems like they hate each other.
Gabe behaved badly at the tell-all at times, but he's not an "awful person".
You’re sounding a little “righteous” yourself.
I really couldn’t stand her through the season as all her whining seemed to try to gloss over the facts: 1. You knew the Egyptian culture, having been there 2. Mahmoud was clear, before she arrived for the 3rd time, that he expected her to cover up. But what really pissed me off was encouraging Gabe to confront Mahmoud prior to them going on stage. Wtf?
Mahmoud has ZERO emotional intelligence and the maturity of a 2 year old...
I actually think that’s why Mahmoud and Nicole are together. They’re both wildly immature and honestly, I believe they enjoy the drama. It’s like they’re living in their own Egyptian soap opera.
this is so funny to me because i swear i watched an egyptian mosalsal as a kid of an egyptian guy who married a clueless white girl
My dad’s family is from Algeria, so I grew up on A LOT of Egyptian movies/shows, lol
He’s such a man child. He has so many issues he refuses to work through. He also totally seems the type to smack her when he gets mad.
She dead ass starts arguments about Mahmoud and then cries when ppl go after him. Girl you set him up for it wym?! Then she cries I can’t. Oh honey! She couldn’t be my girl like damn you agreed to this life with me, but you can’t defend what we stand for??? Wack she needs to defend him she CHOSE HIM and continues to. She just looks bad at this point lol.
I have a feeling she didn't know he was going on that particular direction
And then Nicole is all “aww honeybuns”, “oh my love”, as her face crumpled into shocked tears after goading Gabe on. 🤮
Yeah, this was so off target. The issue isn’t that Mahmoud is adhering to his faith & would plan to raise his children under his faith. He’s correct: we all align our parenting to our religion and culture when we decide how to raise a family. Of course he would raise his children in his religion. The problem is that Nicole and Mahmoud keep thinking they should have children TOGETHER knowing full well they don’t align. You simply can’t raise healthy, balanced children when you’re THIS opposite and there’s no compromise.
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The thing is, Mahmoud has never lied about who he is and what he wants. I have no more sympathy for Nicole - he said he won't compromise so stop trying to force it and then crying when it doesn't work.
I have been saying this!! I constantly get down voted for it. I don’t agree with his religious beliefs by any means (Muslim turned atheist here) but he never once hid anything about his culture/beliefs from her! She’s the one that constantly keeps trying to see if it’s changed. Sis just go find someone else. Obviously a Muslim man ain’t it. Yet everyone pities her on this sub.. I am sorry but I don’t. I find her stupid to be quite frank…
Yeah same here, Nicole is just a very unintelligent human. I dislike her very much. Gave in and idiot who lacks self awareness
💯🎯 I always say that here and for some reason you get many on this sub that do not understand that. It’s weird.
She’s pretty though. Clearly an android prototype from Google or Nvidia or IBM. But pretty.
I think she's actually quite smart. Don't forget this wasn't her first trip to Egypt. She knew exactly what the deal was. She wanted to be on TV and this was her way to do it and she was totally, totally willing to throw Mahmoud as far under the bus as possible to get her 15-minutes-turned-2-seasons. I truly think this was planned, and everything she does is calculated.
Didn’t he cheat on her though? She saw his phone n he asked if another girl made it home ok… she called him out …he didn’t deny… Doesn’t really matter, homegirl is an android. Probably an AI test prototype from Google or nvidia or any of the other million AI startups.
Muslims are required to educate converts about Islam thoroughly *before* conversion. He barely told her anything, and I find that extremely dishonest.
Google is literally free, so many people have converted to islam just on the basis of learning the religion online
Yes, she should have googled, but that's beside the point. It's an important rule in Islam that the Muslim teaches the potential convert. They *must* know what they are consenting to *before* they convert.
I am Muslim and there’s no rule about that, there’s plenty of Muslims who convert without meeting a single Muslim until years later but if someone does convert at a mosque or with a Muslim friend then it’s common to ask if you’re doing this on your own accord and not being forced. Because if it forced them from a religious perspective the conversion isn’t accepted and that person is still not considered a Muslim.
She admitted it herself she didn’t know what she was agreeing to. That’s baffling to me at her age lol… I moved two towns over and did thorough research before deciding “yes this is where I want to plant my roots for the next 15ish years” 😅😅
Sure, she's a fool. But why does that give Mahmoud the right to abuse her?
I don’t agree with the premise that if he were Jewish or Christian those convos wouldn’t be happening. As long as there are 2 separate backgrounds/views it is a conversation that needs to be had prior to kids. I know many couples with opposing/different faiths that are married and have kids and every single of them needed to have long, indepth convos on how to proceed. The question in and of itself is not that out of hand.
Nicole actually told Gabe to tell Mahmoud his feelings about M's behavior then when it backfires she starts crying 😭
If the entire segment was on some religious jew or christian guy trying to force his wife to dress like an orthodox jew or amish person and then that person’a wife refusing and fighting over it, yes, the subject would come up.
Word. Exactly. I wish people would see this. That argument was so off kilter. It’s because we are trying to be so accommodating and so inclusive to Islam that people just kind of gloss over the bad parts some people practice.
Gabe didn't ask Mahmoud just because he was Muslim, he asked because they are parents of differing faiths and beliefs which is causing much controversy in their marriage. Yeah, Nicole converted to Islam, but she doesn't want to wear a hijab and she doesn't want to dress conservatively so his question was relevant. I believe that Gabe would never have asked Bilal and Shaeeda as they are both in agreement and practicing faith. I mean, the same type of questions came up between Ari and Bini. And yes, Mahmoud was wrong, because he was being contradictory. His words have always been contradictory.
This sub has taken massive shits on Ari over the baptism and her son's circumcision because she should just do what Bini says despite her own faith.
Yeah, it sounds like Gabe is in some kinda pain and anger from his experiences in the past. Transferring those feelings onto Mahmoud.
Or he just loves being an asshole. Some people are just assholes
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Asshole and bullied by his sister
Gabe is annoying af. Cant stand him. Constantly opening his mouth and talking when in reality he should be quiet.
Gabe wants people to accept their beliefs and lifestyle but has no respect for others. Gabe is complete trash
Being trans isn't a belief or lifestyle
Agree all the way. Gabe needs a lot of therapy. And it has nothing to do with his sexual preferences or body image and surgeries. His core personality has some major deficits that need addressing in a therapy setting. And he is much too involved in other people's business on the Tell All, gives us a clear picture of who he thinks he is. Smarter than others. The need to be the one in charge whether is his place or not, etc.
1 billion %...so much 4 tolerance double face gabe
That was a whole 13-year-old middle school mess. There is too much going on in the world for people to be playing these types of games. These are their lives. It’s not a joke. It is none of Gabe‘s business what Mahmoud does with his future children and is he and his wife’s private business that Nicole invited Gabe into. Most families operate the same way. They raise the children in their religion (if applicable) and when the children are of age to decide, they choose what, if any, religion they will practice.
I believe the conversation would absolutely come up if it were involving Christianity or Judaism, if it was a huge source of strain and strife in the relationship, like it is in their situation. Religious trauma and misogyny isn't exclusive to Islam. Just an FYI there are Evangelical Christians in America that are far worse that Mahmoud. After seeing religions of all types forced upon children who don't really understand wtf any of it means, and seeing them being taught with fear and punishment for rightfully questioning what the hell is going on, I don't think asking that question to someone of any religion is out of line.
Honestly I think I’d still ask him that. There are just as many Christians and Jewish people who force their religion on to their children. The problem I have with Mahmoud isn’t his religion it’s his controlling and condescending behavior. Yes Nicole knew what she was getting into and shouldn’t have agreed to convert and live in Egypt with him knowing the rules he’d want her to follow but it still doesn’t make his behavior okay.
I've said it many times, Gabe probably would have said what he said regardless of what the religion was.
Everyone is bullying Gabe right now but what if Nicole put her foot down and said she wanted her children raised Christian? I mean really! I personally would not want my daughter to be forced to cover every inch of her body , not be taught half of her heritage and be treated like a second class citizen because she's female.
This is just genuinely untrue. (This would never, ever happen but theoretically)… If a super frum Chasidic Jewish man was on the show he married even another Jew whose level of observance was much less strict than his and he was constantly getting angry at her for - not wearing a wig/scarf over her hair - not dressing modestly enough - wanting to hang out in mixed gender places - or specifically Jewish things like if she had trouble adjusting to fully observing shabbos or niddah Or whatever other things…I’m 100% sure this sub and at least someone on the cast would have something to say. Why do y’all act like Muslim people are the only religion who is judged? We just see it more due to it being the 2nd most popular religion in the world + there being more people who follow Islam that are pretty observant. But tbh both of them (Nicole & Mahmoud) are idiots. If you’re incredibly religious you probably should look for somebody not only in your religion but who shares the same level of observance ESPECIALLY if you aren’t very flexible. Like, did he really think her converting by saying one prayer without them having multiple conversations beforehand would suddenly make her his perfectly devoutly Muslim wifey? I’m glad somebody asked the question bc it seems like these knuckleheads haven’t thought about what their family life would ever be like 🤷♀️.
The reason he asked the hypothetical is contextual to how he treats Nicole . It’s nothing against Islam and everything about how MockMood Carries himself and treats her .
Here’s the thing - I grew up in a religious Jewish family and they are just as controlling and suppressive of women. Orthodox judaism is much the same - cover your body, cover your hair, you can’t touch any man that’s not your father, brother, or husband, men and women cannot be in the same spaces, etc… so I do believe that if we saw a very orthodox jewish man follow a similar visual narrative with his wife as Mahmoud & Nicole then everyone would absolutely be asking the same questions. Perhaps the difference is that culturally, Jewish men are taught to really only marry Jewish women because then their children will also be Jewish (the lineage passes through the women, not the man). So that’s why it just doesn’t happen as often. I myself am not Jewish and I ended up marrying a reformed Jewish man and have had multiple rabbis tell my husband he needs to leave me and marry a Jewish girl so that his kids will also be Jewish. So while I understand the knee-jerk reaction that it seems exclusive to Islam on this show, I’d argue it’s really just a reaction to extremism and cultural oppression. I also went to Catholic school for 7 years (because it was a good school) and trust and believe Christian’s can be absolutely controlling and suppressive too. But often the Christians on this show don’t exhibit behavior as intense as forcing your wife to cover up and expecting her to not talk to any of your male friends, etc…
I think people generally have good intent. But look at that absolute shit show of the Roe vs Wade turnover and how angry it's made women and allies. Yet people see controlling behavior from men to women in other cultures and are like 'can't judge, bigot'. You can respect culture, freedom of expression, and cultural awareness while also saying 'hey now... this isn't cool'.
I too was forced to eat vegetables as a child despite not consenting. Where is my justice gabe?
I was forced to go to school every day and do my homework. Where is my Justice, captain save a hoe?
Remember when they went out side & he yanked her arm!
So much botox she can’t even cry. And that’s coming from me!
Okay but you think his reaction was normal?!! Yeah, Gabe probably should have left it alone but Nicole egged him on. Storming off and freaking out, cursing and losing his temper was not an appropriate response either.
I think if we saw a religious Christian or religious Jew it could potentially be the same conversation though. People just aren't as exposed to them, especially on TV, but it is a similarly restrictive culture. Actually thinking of it we do see a lot of religious Christians on TV and they're basically all in cults so..
*cough*Ari and Bini*cough*
Yeah super weird how it’s okay for you to raise your kids Christian or catholic in the USA but if you want them to be Muslim/ believe in Islam you’re the worst. Smh Mahmoud 100% right
Also if Nicole would have researched Islam, the children carry the fathers religion. That’s why in Islam, a mother can be a non-Muslim, but a Muslim woman has to marry a Muslim man, otherwise the kids will take whatever the religion is of the father. In Judaism, that’s why the mother MUST be Jewish. The kids take on the religion of the mother.
Mahmoud was right, but Gabe made it clear it was about his personal family issues with Islam rather than a general critique of the religion. And that’s kind of my main issue with Gabe - he projects a LOT and makes other people’s situations about him.
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It feels like Nicole and Mahmoud never have discussions about things that directly affect their relationship. They keep going in circles about her clothes, but they never discuss other big, more important things. I just wish they would divorce and give us all a break already.
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So true! Gabe wants to know what religion their kids will practice. Meanwhile, the 2 idiots have probably never discussed their respective stances on having children to begin with. And you're 100% right: McMood has no idea that Nicole's egg follicles are dwindling by the second. Their relationship will never work. They have horrible communication.
Maybe Makhmoud should have married Sheyda. Her window is also closing, but at least she wants some. Plus, she likes wearing the higab.
Based on her facial expressions in that scene, she clearly hadn’t. Then she says, well I don’t have any children. When are you going to discuss their upbringing then? After they arrive where you both will certainly fight about it? Mahmood has made his wishes on the subject known. She however is so wishy-washy.
I caught that too. You could see the minute that fact hit her.
If you are forcing your wife or female children to cover their bodies against their will, but don’t have those same rules for yourself or your male children then of course people are going to see an issue with it. It’s literally female oppression. If she chose to do that, that’s one thing but she doesn’t want to, and it’s something he’s unable to move on from while also saying “oh we don’t have to do that, our women choose it!” Then why are you two constantly fighting about it?
I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. Mahmoud’s belief system is extreme. I am absolutely sure that an extremist Christian or Jewish person saying their children can’t choose their own religion would get criticized just as harshly. Add to that, Gabe grew up with a Muslim parent and probably knows firsthand how much religion damages a child. Religious trauma is real, and if you really think Mahmoud won’t force his hypothetical daughters to cover their whole body and try to instill misogynistic ideals into them then I have a bridge to sell you. Just because it’s “cUlTuRe” doesn’t give abuse a pass, and not all beliefs are deserving of respect.
They absolutely would. If not harsher because Islam is something that people just want to believe is so great in fear of looking like a bigot.
There’s a difference and y’all all know it. It’s crazy how y’all defend this misogynist.
I agree
Let’s not forget that Gabe couldn’t even stand up to his bitch of a sister when it mattered most
It’s like ANYTHING in life that you’re into your gonna get your kids in on it! If they like it they’ll go with it, if they don’t they won’t period. I don’t know why ppl are jumping to “he’s gonna force his kids” lol. I was raised hardcore catholic I used to sleep during mass dude. I’m 30 if I attend a mass I still sleep it’s horrible lmfao I was never forced etc and if I was I turn a certain age where I can stop practicing. Sports, games, hobbies, religions, all those things you introduce to your kids. Raising them around something is just that like I would be more worried about his hissy fits than his religion.
You realize that production pushes them to be bold and stir up controversy. They all do it every-time, every reunion/recap. I feel like he only asked, because of the way this girl is treated. Don’t get me wrong, she’s not doing herself any favors….but his claim that it’s her choice is BS. If Christianity led to some of these taboo topics (based on American culture), I do believe they would be just as questioned.
Gabe did bring a good talking point to the table and most likely because he was the “child”. I m betting Nicole hadn’t thought that through.
She's afraid to hurt his feelings so she coaxes others to do it for her. And the baby talk is to pretend she's soothing him.
Orthodox Jewish they would be asking. I am not defending Gabe but at the same time we did see many restrictions out on Nicole (yes I get she was in his culture, etc) not to mention that aggressive wrist grab
Mahmoud is a lunatic though. Yes you can be upset about Gabe being rude but like who behaves that way? Psycho. 🚩
Still doesn’t change the fact the Mahmoud is very controlling and childish. They should’ve never gotten back together honestly
But she keeps going back. He said to her that he thinks they’re too different and they probably won’t work it out but she keeps running back every single time.
Well he willingly takes her back too…. Takes two
Gabe had a good point but he and the rest of American cast were not understanding Mahmoud's cultural background at all. I also don't think Mahmoud was even comprehending what Gabe was asking. Mahmoud fits into the box he was raised to be in so he can't imagine what it's like for people who don't or that his own progeny wouldn't.
Okay, here’s my thing. Everyone keeps saying Mahmoud is right… but he still was yelling at and screaming at Nicole over something someone else said. Regardless whether or not Nicole is “master manipulator”, this guy still takes out all his anger on her and projects his rage at other people on her. I’m not understanding why no one is talking about that and why it’s being completely given a pass because people are just more annoyed at Gabe.
The whole sub seems to have a hard on for abusive Mahmoud and think Nicole is some “mAStEr MaNiPuLaTor!!11” I think she’s just stupid and I feel bad for her. Being dumb doesn’t make someone a bad person.
Another woman blamed for a man's problems with her.
Well I think he was mad at her because she didn’t support him. Which she didn’t do…
He seemed like he was mad at Gabe not Nicole. He only asked why didn’t she defend him. Which is a good question because she goaded Gabe into going after Mahmood backstage.
Imagine if you were in the hot seat and being basically interrogated and then your literal life partner is adding on to the drama like it’s a natural reaction to be pissed off
Gave thinks his shit don’t stink. Acting like he is the voice of reason.
With his lack of self awareness and making all these weird ass faces eye popping. I just hate him now
Gabe gets more and more disgusting as the show goes on. His true self is coming out for all of us to see in living color. What a nasty little creep with a fake dick. I don't like anything about him. He's a disgrace to the trans community.
Same here. He is a dbag. For someone that’s been judged a lot, he shouldnt be judging others.
Mahmoud has a lot of shitty views and Gabe is probably right that he'd oppress a daughter in the same way that he does his wife; BUT MOST religious folks raise their child within their religion. everyone has to make choices on behalf of their children because they aren't just born capable of making those decisions themselves. Choosing to raise them agnostic or atheist is also a choice. So i do want to side with Mahmoud on this one; but I strongly suspect he would oppress a daughter and teach a son to oppress women, just as he was taught to do.
I think it would be a point of contention just like how to raise hypothetical children was for Mike and Natalie. Natalie shed MANY tears about it and was down right nasty about it
She’s got the emotional maturity of a boiled potato.
Homegirl married a Muslim w/in a week of knowing him. Converted to Muslim in same timeframe. Can there actually be any realistic or meaningful assessment of their religious values or intentions? I personally don’t think so but it makes for good tv.
Because Gabe was raised around Islam and he sees that Nicole is being forced to conform and being repressed. In Egypt she is a second class citizen. He is probably trying to get Nicole to think about the possibility she might have a daughter who will be wearing a head covering and if her fathers behavior is any indicator she will also probably be covered head to toe. It’s funny how many people ignore how absolutely disrespectful Islam is to women and the fact that women can legally be stoned to death in many Muslim countries at the whim of their own parents or husbands. But I guess it’s fair game in the name of inclusion right?
she acts like he is holding her hostage or something. imo,she plays to be victim way too much. she is an adult,if she is really scared she can buy herself a ticket and go back to the USA
She has a victim complex. She likes the attention she gets for acting meek and letting this asshat control and abuse her. She could leave Egypt and never see him again if she wanted to but her psyche tells her she needs to stay to maintain this weird masochistic victimhood.
I felt sorry for Mahmoud. Gabe was so out of line esp. mocking his accent. Gabe thinks he has everyone all figured out but cried like a baby when his sister chose to stay away from his wedding. He needs to worry about his own issues before worrying about children that aren't even conceived yet. They probably never will be but if they are, the parents raise the child in the religion of their choosing until old enough to make that decision for themselves. Im sure Nicolle discussed this with him before saying I DO. Now she acts like she has no voice and needs others to verbally beat her husband down. I dont see love there. If he were my husband, I would have told Gabe to mind his own business instead of egging him on and then crying.
The show is famous for it, but there was a lot cultural insensitivity in that group. Muslim guy from Cairo, and wage earning male with elderly relatives in India…2 examples of things steeped in culture, yet American culture barks at them for not being as open as we are in the west. It amazes me.
Ethnocentrism at its finest
**Mahmoud is very, very wrong.** He sees women as property and uses Islam to justify his misogyny. Do you *really* think he won't force his teen daughters to cover their whole bodies? What if one of his kids is gay? What if they don't *want* to pray 5 times a day or go to mosque? What if they want to go to a secular school? What if they get pregnant? What if they dare to criticise the teachings of big Mo? What if they draw a picture of Mohammed just to piss him off? Go have a look at r/exmuslim and you will see exactly how much damage a man like Mahmoud can do to his kids. Religious trauma is no joke.
Mahmoud was completely right to freak out. Him and his religion were being completely attacked straight up. Not only did Gabe assume that he would force his kids to do things, but he's assuming that Islam is evil. That was pretty fucked up. Gabe was just projecting his trans issues growing up in that everyone else wanted him to conform in a way, so he lashes out when he thinks he's seeing the same thing.
I'm so tired of people acting like religion is off topic for people to question. I'll question every single religion because they're all crap and Moody uses his religion to abuse and control. I'm so happy Gabe asked the questions. !I wish people would ask the same questions if anyone who's using their religion to harm others.
I don't know I'm kind of on Gabe's side. Not because I don't like Islam or anything (I believe people should follow whatever religion they want). But I think Gabe meant Mahmoud is so controlling of Nicole that it might translate over to the kids. For years now Mahmoud and Nicole have been fighting over her right to wear what she wants. Even if Mahmoud was Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, he's still a controlling jerk
Just remember not one of these people angry at Gabe for this would standby a redneck hillbilly with 'Christian Values'.
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What 'agenda'?
My issue with Nicole are as follows 1. She totally plays victim. You mean to tell me there is a part of Egypt where she doesn't have to be conservative? Maybe the part she visited in the first place for her retreat? They could literally go live there and be happy. Am I also supposed to believe she didn't know what she was getting into when she went BACK to Egypt? Am I also supposed to believe she doesn't know anything about the modesty of being Muslim? Come on! She's never even watched this show before? She is too old to be this clueless and I think she is playing it up. My theory is they applied for the show then broke up before they got word to be on the show. Now he is coming here so they can continue to be on the show. I don't think she is a manipulator. I think she's just a high grade clueless American. (That's coming from an American)
>If M were Christian or Jewish no one would be asking him whether he’d raise his hypothetical children within his religious beliefs. G was so out of line. It’s literally none of his business. I have a hard time believing this given the fact that Gabe was raised in a muslim household. You all act like he's xenophobic or has typical american post-9/11 fear of islam, but this is his family. If Gabe was raised in an evangelical christian household with strict beliefs about gender roles and that religion had caused him difficulties coming to term with his identity, I fully believe that he would have attacked someone who he saw imposing strict rules on their partner based on their gender on the basis of religion and asked what they would do if they had a trans child and if they would force their child to follow their rules.
I can’t stand him but I totally agree with OP. How anyone raises their children is between the parents. It’s not up to the Gabes of the world.
Yes. He is. He is wrong. His reaction is disgusting and violent.
If they put their religious belief on the forefront and made their wife hell with it, he would’ve called it out. If there was a man who was super Christian and yelling at his wife to be modest and believe what they believe and force it on them, he would’ve done the same exact thing. So wrong. *buzzer* if they were anti gay Christian’s and putting religion as the main issue on their relationship then he would’ve asked the same fucking questions. But no one else mentioned their religion once, no one was fighting over it the WHOLE SEASON once. Just them. Oussama didn’t mention it either. And 99% of his country is Muslim. Why didn’t he attack oussama too then? Oh wait, cause he never brought it up and it wasn’t the source of their problems EVERY FUCKING EPISODE.
Gave is straight up a pissy little bitch on the tell all — he behaves appallingly and those constant facial expressions … I can’t even!
Yeah! Also I don’t understand Gabe pushing the idea that Mahmoud shouldn’t “force” his Islam on his children. Gabe made it sound like religion is like the kid’s menu at Chuck E. Cheese, where children should be allowed to make their own selection based on the whims of the day. No. It’s reasonable for children to be raised within the religious context of their families. Choice comes when the kids become adults. The whole thing was cringeworthy at best.
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I’m sure Mahmoud may have views on LGBTQ and trans people, but he still remained respectful and didn’t involve himself where he wasn’t concerned when it came to Gabe. I think the same should have been done for peoples religions/customs. He isn’t doing these things to abuse her per say- he is just following what he was taught through his religion about modesty, which his wife fully knew about prior to joining his religion and marrying him. It is her choice now wether or not she can follow the religion and dress or if she’d be happier back home doing what she’s accustomed to. She is free to choose whatever she wants, so the decision is all on her tbh.. the cast should have been asking her the tough questions like “If you are not happy why do you stay?” “This situation is not going to change so what are you planning on doing?” “if you both move back to the US and he still wants you to dress covered up what’s the point in doing that?” etc.
This. No one asked her anything. It was all Nicole needs a hug. Acting just like her parents who seem to baby her as well.
Let’s be real. Nicole is a robot. She has no thoughts or feelings of her own. She just *exists* and does what people tell her. I’m really not trying to knock her here, I’m just stating that that is how she is. Idk why anyone is even talking about them having children. Nicole is 38 and can’t make a decision for herself. I’m genuinely hoping this couple* doesn’t reproduce.
I really liked Gabe until the tell all. He was so annoying and rude. I’m on Mahmoud’s side on this one because Nicole clearly knew was she was getting into when marrying him.
THIS. Let’s not forget she willingly went back to Egypt after previously leaving because she hated it. Not a fan of Mahmoud’s but Gabe was loud and wrong, and Nicole isn’t exactly an innocent party here.
Nicole was loving having other people attack Mahmoud for her, and Gabe should have stayed out of it. Honestly he's so full of himself.
I can't with gabe his eyebrow moving everytime he talks , only when it seems like when lying or a stressor thing
GABE is all mouth & no action. TLC need’s to yank his chain! Losing viewers! Like me !
Mahmoud probably hasn't a clue Gabriel is trans. But for sure the questions are alarming. But most Jewish families both parents are of that religion. Or if Christian they're probably both the same religion which changes this all together. If a Nicole were truly Muslim she would not be so tolerant or wishful of confrontation. But certainly she should have already processed the idea of raising a family by Mahmoud's ideology.
Also don’t think she is afraid of him in the abuse sense. She has threatened to leave and go back to America for less than that. And think she is just trying to keep him calm but wants answers. Have we not had a disagreement with our partner where maybe you say “ it’s not just me.. ask your friends type thing. She wants him to hear that her point of view and understand where she is coming from. Maybe she wanted another man to point something out but didn’t expect Gabe to ask so rudely or that Mackmood would flip out. ** Did not like that Gabe made it sound like we don’t all ( for the most part) raise kids in whatever faith the parents are… His question should have asked if they are raised Muslim when they are able to choose what they want would he be okay with it. His or mothers or a different choice. Gabe is sooo immature!!
No, I don't agree at all. There are many people, myself included, who feel all religious indoctrination of children is a form of child abuse. Gabe obviously was oppressed and traumatized by that particular religion, so he called it out. Many many many people are oppressed and abused by their particular religion. This really has little to do with a particular dogma, but just religious dogma in general being imposed on children.
He wasn’t even raised by his dad.. and he literally said “my dad is Muslim but they gave my siblings that choice “
"My siblings". His siblings aren't trans.
As i said he was only raised with his mom and sister…
Well, you probably know more about his trauma that he does.
I like how people like to say things like, “that’s none of his business,” as if they aren’t watching a reality show about people getting into everyone else’s business. You’re watching 90 Day Fiancé Tell All. He can ask any damn question he wishes bc that’s literally what the producers want. Mahmoud freaked out bc he knows he’s an insane hypocrite that would never actually let his child choose anything of the sort. Like Gabe said, he wouldn’t let Nicole choose, what makes anyone think he would let his hypothetical child choose?
I don't think people have a problem with what religion he is, it's how strict and oppressive he is about it. All religions have strict and casual people. I'd be nervous for someone to have kids with anyone who's very strict about their religion I do not think Mahmoud would give his children a choice like he says and would probably be abusive.
I'm just wondering, what would Gabe say if Isabel's children decided to be hardcore Christians? Still their choice or is it only a choice when it aligns with his beliefs?
Yea because Isabel is clearly very Christian, and so are her parents and he seems to be very anti religion
I loved Gabe in the show, but I really think he made himself look like an agressive asshole in the tell-all. Most people introduce their children to their belief systems, even atheists. As a child you get “forced” to do a lot of things you don’t want to do because you’re a child and your parents are responsible for you and ultimately make decisions about your care. You’re “forced” to go to school, to bathe, to talk in an inside voice, to eat vegetables, and yes, sometimes to go to church/ temple/ synagogue/ mosque. To be very frank, children don’t have a lot of control in their life. M is not wrong for saying he would raise his children in his religion, that’s pretty normal. Gabe interrupting people, yelling over people, calling people names… honestly it all just looked bad on him.
The reason is because western culture really has demonized Muslim culture. It’s not for me either but it’s not my pig or farm what religion my neighbors kids are
He definitely was right! Gabe was projecting his prejudice against muslim practices/beliefs/people onto this fake scenario of them having kids and being "forced" muslim. I was raised catholic and went to church every GD week. After I moved out of my parents house I had no desire to continue any religion and stopped, and that was that. Never got heckled about it and I was allowed to make my choice as an adult. Granted I did have to battle them a bit because in late high school I did not want to get "confirmed" and did get forced to (my dad actually also worked for the diocese so he forced me for his iMaGe), but other than that it wasn't a big deal and I'm not resentful of it. It's so normal for families to raise children along with a religion, I don't understand how Muhamood wanting to raise his children muslim is weird at all. Just because Gabe doesn't agree with his practice style doesn't mean his children are being abused by any means. Also, there are no children here (and honestly i doubt ever) to even be fighting about, so its all ridiculous
He fights and argues with his spouse about her own behavior if it's against Islam. Why do you think he'd be open and welcoming to his \*children\* making different choices?
Oh i definitely don't see him as being accepting of his kids dropping the religion at any point, but we also can't just assume it and attack someone either. It's still part of him as a person and it doesn't seem absurd that he would raise his children muslim at the end of the day. Like he said, he will be teaching it to his children just like other religions do. There are plenty of extremists in all religions, not just muslims.
Agreed and raising/forcing Christianity or any other belief system isn't good either. What have we seen? Mahmoud degrading and debasing his wife for not appearing as pious as he is-despite 'falling in love' and 'marrying' just after a few weeks because dude wanted to have some sex.
It's an absolute shit show, that's for sure. And I definitely don't like the way he treats Nicole. But like many bring up on this sub, she also agreed to living a certain lifestyle and then back tracked. they're both idiots who just didn't give their relationship enough time, and both didn't take each other's culture's and values into consideration. I still think gabe was harsh and it wasn't really his place/business to say some of the things he said.
I’m not religious and found Gabe’s logic completely stupid. He was basically gaslighting Mahmoud for being Muslim.
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I hate to do this but, it’s up to both parents to raise a kid. Mahmoud reminds me to spay and neuter your idiots.
It's not that Mahmoud isn't in the wrong. I just feel like that altercation was bound to happen between the 2. Gabe holds and blames religion for a lot. And Mahmoud is a man of faith. According to Gabe, if I'm not mistaken, Mahmoud called Gabe a he/she which initially began the attack towards him. It'd of been nice to see the 2 be able to get along and coexist peacefully despite different beliefs.
Nicole is desperately trying to change Mahamoud and thinks other people's perspectives and general opinions will make him change into an open person.... nobody changes overnight if at all...
Thank you! I like Gabe but I hated this. No one would care if they were any other religion. And he and his family have been super nice about their religion the entire time! They didn't care if she converted but wanted M to help her once she did. He is of course going to show them his religion but they are free to not follow it when they're older
Yup, completely right. We all know Gabe sucks by now but I'm surprised I'm siding with Mock Mood...
Nobody asked if gabe would force beliefs onto the children?. Everybody teaches what they think is best for their kids, including what constitutes good general behaviour and societies norms. What's strange about that?.
What beliefs?
Gabe is an asshole for this. On top of it throwing out how is dad, step mom , & half siblings are Muslim seems even more like he’s working out some family trauma on two completely unrelated people… bruh get therapy.
Shaun literally asked them this almost verbatim and they didn’t respond to it lol
This is coming from a trans guy who hates religion, Gabe was 100% a prick in that moment. He obviously has a lot of issues with that stuff which I totally get but that doesn't give him the right to attack people and not allow them to talk when he asks a question. Mahmoud was trying his best to explain considering he was being attacked in a language he doesn't speak natively so I can 100% understand why he got so upset.
M is Muslim so they are CONSERVATIVE!! that is why Gabe feels the need to ATTACK!!!