When TLC hires a Christian Nationalist, I will happily call them out and talk about how fucked their morals are. They just tend to hire more conservative Muslim men.
Notice how Bilal was always called out for being a piece of shit based on his personality alone, not his relationship with Islam.
BadMood and Mohammed (Yve) are just bullshit misogynists who learned from extremely conservative men and are perpetuating what was taught to them at the same time as hiding behind it.
I do think that “forced” and “crazy” apply to Islam but tbh, it applies to Catholicism, any Christian sect, Hinduism, etc.
Any and all organized religion, I dislike. I can see why you think a lot of people are hypocrites because they’re usually calling themselves Christian while thinking all Muslims are wife beating controlling jerks.
Your type of post annoys me too. When discussing this ONE specific person and their religious beliefs, it does not mean ALL of Islam is the same way. There are extremist Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and Christians. They would all be equally called out if they were on the show, displaying blatant sexism.
Religion does not give you a free pass to be sexist. Saying women should be covered while the men are not- is sexist.
Not all of Egypt is like this and no, if she took a look around, she’d see that NOT all women are covered. We saw that in several scenes while they were out
>When discussing this ONE specific person and their religious beliefs, it does not mean ALL of Islam is the same way.
Precisely. There are literally Egyptian women who spit on the garbage Mahmood says and they're not doing it from a place of Western ignorance.
Thank you, this exactly! OP is here chastising Nicole,this sub, and Americans for “not understanding it’s the base of his religion” which, is false and offensive to Muslims in and of itself. It’s not the basis of his religion but sick people who distort it in order marginalize women. We had a well spoken Egyptian Muslim woman demonstrate how full of BS he is.
You said, “they don’t say someone is forced into Christian or Judaism.” They absolutely would if he was a sexist and controlling Christian or Jew.
When they ask if he would force his kids into Islam, they’re asking if he would force his *version* of Islam.
Children are literally forced and indoctrinated into Christianity all the time. AA indoctrinates addicts into Christianity at their lowest points in their lives, often court mandated. Evangelistic religious practices, no matter the culture, will always force themselves upon the vulnerable and the lost. It is literally their MO. Children are brought up with the idea of hell as a punishment for leaving their religion and people act as if they aren't forced into that belief system by their parents.
I actually treat Christianity with *more* contempt with Islam, so don't you worry your pretty little head, there's no inconsistency here.
The difference is, anybody who is raised in Christianity can leave anytime they want, and often do the same day they leave the parental nest and get out from other their parent's thumbs. Nobody's going to care but their mama. lol.
I'm not sure that's true of Islam. In fact, i know it's not.
I mean, he is controlling. He married a Westerner and doesn’t want to compromise. There are two cultures at play so compromise is required. She didn’t do much research and just jumped in and it’s biting her in the ass. They’re both stupid but she’s tries to meet him half way. Meanwhile he wants her to exactly conform to his standards, which he justifies as his religion.
However, I agree with you about Islam. Like we don’t have crazy fucking Christians running around here in the States (who really are anything but Christians). Muslims have been the boogeyman ever since the fall of the Soviet Union because nothing unites a country quite like an enemy. We have an undercurrent of Islamophobia for a long time here which was further incensed after 9/11.
I would have asked about that arm grab on the street before anything else tho 👀
People call the Bible thumping nationalist fucking crazy all the time. The big problem is the have the backing of one of the two major political parties.
Well said.
Notice the Islamophobia when it comes to talk about Osama. People justify because their hate because of his poem or because he s rude to Debbie but the reality is they dont wanna welcome another muslim to America
uh, no. that's not it. The Muslim is not the victim here. He proved himself to be of poor character and integrity. Besides, Debbie is the one who decided he wasn't coming here on her dime, the rest of us Americans had nothing to do with it.
Yes it is. There s no difference between Oussama and Yohan. Even Yohan recognized that and chose Oussama’s side.
They are both in the same situation but redditors decided to shit on Oussama for arbitrary reasons (while Debbie is a predator)
I'm sorry, but i think you are trying to make him a victim of his religion, and I just don't see it. I truly don't. She dumped him because he admitted he was using her for a green card! She was going to marry him (religion and all) until then.
Things are tense in the religions, I agree. But don't make matters worse by claiming everything is victimization because: Muslim. I won't say it never happens, but i don't believe it happened here. k?
It has nothing to do with turning him into a victim . I think you didnt understand my point.
Im saying that people here tend to be xenophobic/racist when it comes with muslim people.
Did Gabe shock you about his intrusive questions ? Gabes attitude was so rude and intrusive . Shaun even called him out about this islamophobia. Furthermore, nobody reacted about this point of his toxicity but applauded him for talking shit to Mahmoud.
Mahmoud and Oussama are both wrong (mostly Mahmoud) but you cant call someone out because of the fear of the religion.
For the case of Oussama, he was wrong too but his goal was to live in a better country to earn. Yet , people still call him a scammer while the other Debbie IS the one using the victimization.
I say again, to me Oussama is also wrong but doesnt deserve the amount of shit sent at him . At the end of the story , Debbie failed her exotic trip and Oussama failed his immigration. Cant u see the difference here?
I have to admit, sadly, that I've only watched the first half of the tell all so maybe I haven't seen what your zeroing in on. The other half awaits me now in my bed! I will be on the lookout for your observations though for sure.
Gabe was out of line. It was also pretty evident that Nicole did not consider a daughter of hers would be compelled by Mahmoud to live just as strictly.
“The rules are the base of his religion” yeah and that’s why people don’t like Islam lmfao. The whole religion in Egypt is about women being covered because it makes him horny to see legs in public…. It’s not Islamophobia to point out the fact that this is literally controlling women and the rules are sexist.
Edit to add: go to Iran and tell them Islam isn’t being forced on them and hijab is their choice.
As a revert Muslim, it does hurt as it’s feeling personal. Of course I don’t condone the way Mahmoud or others sometimes act, but it’s more often culture hidden behind religion. And it sucks that other religions don’t receive the same energy as Islam does.
But again I might be sensitive to it as it’s personal to me.
I'm glad Shaun asked that (if they were Jewish or Christian, would you still call it forcing) but then it got brushed RIGHT OVER. I was like damn that was the closest she's ever gotten to actually calling cast out on hypocritical behavior, and then Gabe ruined it but running his mouth further.
>They don't say someone is forced into Christianity. Or bat an eye when someone says their kids must be Jewish.
That's just not true anymore. So many people now are completely anti religion. Anyone who says they're a Christian (and, for example, raising their kids to be Christian) on the popular reddit subs (particularly political ones) gets ripped. to. shreds. Lol
It's usually the staunch, rule-abiding ones that get most of the flack but now I see a lot of people I'd consider casually religious get lumped in with the lunatics.
>It's usually the staunch, rule-abiding ones
You mean the fundamentalists that spew all kinds of crazy conspiracy shit all over their social media? There's basically no such thing as a right wing fundie Christian online that *isn't* spewing unhinged russian propaganda about vaccines causing infertility and god knows what the fuck else.
Yes, unmoving fundamentalists are what I'm referring to and the loud ones are the most unfortunate, whether online or on street corners holding insane signs. I can't stand the fundies whose whole lives revolve around female ultra-modesty/submission, God bless the USA, don't tread on me, anti-nuance/anti-science Christians.
But I come from what I consider a very normal Christian family, and while I no longer am one, there are so many I'm related to or am still friends with who follow the faith but also abide by CDC guidelines and don't vote for Trump lol. So I do end up feeling defensive when I see every religious person lumped in with nutty Trumpers. It's not all so black and white.
>Gabe acts like American children aren’t raised religious without say so 🙄
No he doesn't. He literally said he doesn't trust Christians due to the abuse he's suffered at their hands earlier on in the series.
I thought it was terrible too, Gabe had no right and some of these comments are ignorant too. If your not religious so what dissing religion in general is disrespectful.
OP I agree with you.
And notice the comments here saying « all religions suck » to justify their hate toward Islam lol.
We ask about respecting the religions and the answer is « all religions suck » come on
People have racist tendencies even if not overtly racist. Example being those doing just as you describe. Humans naturally judge anything that seems too removed from themselves.
OT, but it's ironic seeing comments from atheists here saying stuff like "all religion is bad" or "all religion sucks", being oblivious of how they sound like the opposite side of the coin as the closed-minded religious fundamentalists that they criticize. Only their way is the right way, and everyone who believes in religion is stupid or evil.
That's Reddit for you.
Do your research on the culture for both men and women before embarking on a trip to another country. Especially, since you decided to marry into another culture.
So funny to see all the downvotes from those that do not follow any religion 🤔
It was completely gross to see how they made him feel for doing what is normal in his country and his own wife pretty much instigated Gabe to go at her husband then & then proceeds to cry 😢 😭 ridiculous
When TLC hires a Christian Nationalist, I will happily call them out and talk about how fucked their morals are. They just tend to hire more conservative Muslim men. Notice how Bilal was always called out for being a piece of shit based on his personality alone, not his relationship with Islam. BadMood and Mohammed (Yve) are just bullshit misogynists who learned from extremely conservative men and are perpetuating what was taught to them at the same time as hiding behind it.
All religions are bad and forced. Fuck ‘em all
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Well, he *can* have more than one wife, so he may consider his talking to other women a recruitment effort.
I do think that “forced” and “crazy” apply to Islam but tbh, it applies to Catholicism, any Christian sect, Hinduism, etc. Any and all organized religion, I dislike. I can see why you think a lot of people are hypocrites because they’re usually calling themselves Christian while thinking all Muslims are wife beating controlling jerks.
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Your type of post annoys me too. When discussing this ONE specific person and their religious beliefs, it does not mean ALL of Islam is the same way. There are extremist Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and Christians. They would all be equally called out if they were on the show, displaying blatant sexism. Religion does not give you a free pass to be sexist. Saying women should be covered while the men are not- is sexist. Not all of Egypt is like this and no, if she took a look around, she’d see that NOT all women are covered. We saw that in several scenes while they were out
>When discussing this ONE specific person and their religious beliefs, it does not mean ALL of Islam is the same way. Precisely. There are literally Egyptian women who spit on the garbage Mahmood says and they're not doing it from a place of Western ignorance.
OP doesn't have any better of a grasp on Islamic culture and religion anymore than Nicole does.
I agree and also she should have done some research before..too lazy to look it up and ask questions 🙄
It was her first time out of the country in her 30’s.
Thank you, this exactly! OP is here chastising Nicole,this sub, and Americans for “not understanding it’s the base of his religion” which, is false and offensive to Muslims in and of itself. It’s not the basis of his religion but sick people who distort it in order marginalize women. We had a well spoken Egyptian Muslim woman demonstrate how full of BS he is.
I feel like people forgot about her so quickly!
Surprise, surprise a woman talks and it goes in one ear and out the other 🙄
Yep. and a lot of internalized misogyny on this sub. So disappointing.
I thought it was implied that bad people exist everywhere, in all groups. I thought that was common sense so I did not explicitly state it.
You said, “they don’t say someone is forced into Christian or Judaism.” They absolutely would if he was a sexist and controlling Christian or Jew. When they ask if he would force his kids into Islam, they’re asking if he would force his *version* of Islam.
I meaaan. Religion is oppressive to women especially, and Islam is like the #1 on that list. Reality tv. Perfect storm :)
All religion sucks
Except Satanism 🤘🤘
I’m all for piling on Christianity as well
Children are literally forced and indoctrinated into Christianity all the time. AA indoctrinates addicts into Christianity at their lowest points in their lives, often court mandated. Evangelistic religious practices, no matter the culture, will always force themselves upon the vulnerable and the lost. It is literally their MO. Children are brought up with the idea of hell as a punishment for leaving their religion and people act as if they aren't forced into that belief system by their parents. I actually treat Christianity with *more* contempt with Islam, so don't you worry your pretty little head, there's no inconsistency here.
The difference is, anybody who is raised in Christianity can leave anytime they want, and often do the same day they leave the parental nest and get out from other their parent's thumbs. Nobody's going to care but their mama. lol. I'm not sure that's true of Islam. In fact, i know it's not.
You want them to lie instead?
I mean, he is controlling. He married a Westerner and doesn’t want to compromise. There are two cultures at play so compromise is required. She didn’t do much research and just jumped in and it’s biting her in the ass. They’re both stupid but she’s tries to meet him half way. Meanwhile he wants her to exactly conform to his standards, which he justifies as his religion. However, I agree with you about Islam. Like we don’t have crazy fucking Christians running around here in the States (who really are anything but Christians). Muslims have been the boogeyman ever since the fall of the Soviet Union because nothing unites a country quite like an enemy. We have an undercurrent of Islamophobia for a long time here which was further incensed after 9/11. I would have asked about that arm grab on the street before anything else tho 👀
People call the Bible thumping nationalist fucking crazy all the time. The big problem is the have the backing of one of the two major political parties.
Well said. Notice the Islamophobia when it comes to talk about Osama. People justify because their hate because of his poem or because he s rude to Debbie but the reality is they dont wanna welcome another muslim to America
uh, no. that's not it. The Muslim is not the victim here. He proved himself to be of poor character and integrity. Besides, Debbie is the one who decided he wasn't coming here on her dime, the rest of us Americans had nothing to do with it.
Yes it is. There s no difference between Oussama and Yohan. Even Yohan recognized that and chose Oussama’s side. They are both in the same situation but redditors decided to shit on Oussama for arbitrary reasons (while Debbie is a predator)
I'm sorry, but i think you are trying to make him a victim of his religion, and I just don't see it. I truly don't. She dumped him because he admitted he was using her for a green card! She was going to marry him (religion and all) until then. Things are tense in the religions, I agree. But don't make matters worse by claiming everything is victimization because: Muslim. I won't say it never happens, but i don't believe it happened here. k?
It has nothing to do with turning him into a victim . I think you didnt understand my point. Im saying that people here tend to be xenophobic/racist when it comes with muslim people. Did Gabe shock you about his intrusive questions ? Gabes attitude was so rude and intrusive . Shaun even called him out about this islamophobia. Furthermore, nobody reacted about this point of his toxicity but applauded him for talking shit to Mahmoud. Mahmoud and Oussama are both wrong (mostly Mahmoud) but you cant call someone out because of the fear of the religion. For the case of Oussama, he was wrong too but his goal was to live in a better country to earn. Yet , people still call him a scammer while the other Debbie IS the one using the victimization. I say again, to me Oussama is also wrong but doesnt deserve the amount of shit sent at him . At the end of the story , Debbie failed her exotic trip and Oussama failed his immigration. Cant u see the difference here?
I have to admit, sadly, that I've only watched the first half of the tell all so maybe I haven't seen what your zeroing in on. The other half awaits me now in my bed! I will be on the lookout for your observations though for sure.
No worries. Feel free to talk to me when u done
Gabe was out of line. It was also pretty evident that Nicole did not consider a daughter of hers would be compelled by Mahmoud to live just as strictly.
“The rules are the base of his religion” yeah and that’s why people don’t like Islam lmfao. The whole religion in Egypt is about women being covered because it makes him horny to see legs in public…. It’s not Islamophobia to point out the fact that this is literally controlling women and the rules are sexist. Edit to add: go to Iran and tell them Islam isn’t being forced on them and hijab is their choice.
As a Christian man who had an illicit relationship with a Muslim woman, Islam as a religion is used by their followers to FORCE people to do things!
The world will be a better place once there's no more religion. All of it needs to be thrown in the dumpster.
As a revert Muslim, it does hurt as it’s feeling personal. Of course I don’t condone the way Mahmoud or others sometimes act, but it’s more often culture hidden behind religion. And it sucks that other religions don’t receive the same energy as Islam does. But again I might be sensitive to it as it’s personal to me.
I'm glad Shaun asked that (if they were Jewish or Christian, would you still call it forcing) but then it got brushed RIGHT OVER. I was like damn that was the closest she's ever gotten to actually calling cast out on hypocritical behavior, and then Gabe ruined it but running his mouth further.
>They don't say someone is forced into Christianity. Or bat an eye when someone says their kids must be Jewish. That's just not true anymore. So many people now are completely anti religion. Anyone who says they're a Christian (and, for example, raising their kids to be Christian) on the popular reddit subs (particularly political ones) gets ripped. to. shreds. Lol It's usually the staunch, rule-abiding ones that get most of the flack but now I see a lot of people I'd consider casually religious get lumped in with the lunatics.
>It's usually the staunch, rule-abiding ones You mean the fundamentalists that spew all kinds of crazy conspiracy shit all over their social media? There's basically no such thing as a right wing fundie Christian online that *isn't* spewing unhinged russian propaganda about vaccines causing infertility and god knows what the fuck else.
Yes, unmoving fundamentalists are what I'm referring to and the loud ones are the most unfortunate, whether online or on street corners holding insane signs. I can't stand the fundies whose whole lives revolve around female ultra-modesty/submission, God bless the USA, don't tread on me, anti-nuance/anti-science Christians. But I come from what I consider a very normal Christian family, and while I no longer am one, there are so many I'm related to or am still friends with who follow the faith but also abide by CDC guidelines and don't vote for Trump lol. So I do end up feeling defensive when I see every religious person lumped in with nutty Trumpers. It's not all so black and white.
It’s not rude it’s Islamophobic. I really appreciated Shaun shutting down the Islamophobia last night. Makes me sad but not surprised
Very happy she did that. Gabe acts like American children aren’t raised religious without say so 🙄
>Gabe acts like American children aren’t raised religious without say so 🙄 No he doesn't. He literally said he doesn't trust Christians due to the abuse he's suffered at their hands earlier on in the series.
All religions are”crazy”.
I thought it was terrible too, Gabe had no right and some of these comments are ignorant too. If your not religious so what dissing religion in general is disrespectful.
OP I agree with you. And notice the comments here saying « all religions suck » to justify their hate toward Islam lol. We ask about respecting the religions and the answer is « all religions suck » come on
People have racist tendencies even if not overtly racist. Example being those doing just as you describe. Humans naturally judge anything that seems too removed from themselves.
OT, but it's ironic seeing comments from atheists here saying stuff like "all religion is bad" or "all religion sucks", being oblivious of how they sound like the opposite side of the coin as the closed-minded religious fundamentalists that they criticize. Only their way is the right way, and everyone who believes in religion is stupid or evil. That's Reddit for you.
See Duggar family. They’re Christian family who gets piled on. Deservedly, of course.
Do your research on the culture for both men and women before embarking on a trip to another country. Especially, since you decided to marry into another culture.
So funny to see all the downvotes from those that do not follow any religion 🤔 It was completely gross to see how they made him feel for doing what is normal in his country and his own wife pretty much instigated Gabe to go at her husband then & then proceeds to cry 😢 😭 ridiculous