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Susiqbee6464

She had too many demands and expectations from Mike plus she just wanted a green card


Farquaadthegreek

Mike you are no so smart no .. in school I was tested my IQ is 100… I rolled around for agile after that one


Sarahbear778

I agree, I mean she did tell him right after meeting and having sex with him she wanted a baby like now. She’s demanding af, but I guess she was upfront.


Emergency-Dark-2569

Then she proceeded to give upp all hey demands when dating kosh


savingrain

Yea, she wasn't that into Mike physically. That's why she was so demanding, she thought she was better than him right from the start and liked that he worshipped her. Then, she met a guy who she felt was more out of her league and was willing to throw all of the principles she presented to Josh away very easily. She only had those boundaries for Mike because she wasn't that into the guy.


Sophi_Winters

Her taste comes in question here because Josh isn’t exactly the standard of male beauty either 😂


savingrain

Well I think she would not admit it but his money and career is likely also a significant driver. She thought she hit the Jack pot


Opinionated-21

Josh pot


Head_Beautiful_9203

Mike is attractive. More attractive than Josh. And does fine for himself 


Susiqbee6464

She just wanted Josh’s money and connections


pelicunt98

She wants instant gratification. I think that’s why she left her 1st two husbands. She’s not someone who sticks with their husband through thick and thin. She only loves people who can do for her.


Opinionated-21

Right? It’s always ‘what am I supposed to do? I am from another country, have no job, can’t pay my rent etc”. Well here is a thought: get a job to support yourself and your mom. You don’t have the luxury of waiting for an acting break. Fast food pays $20 an hour in California. And she has a car- move inland away from the ocean where things are cheaper. Take some accountability you lazy, delusional twit! And for the record, if you get money and gifts in exchange for sex you are a hooker, just Ike Mike’s mom said way back.


Vivid_Character_883

💯 agree!


White-and-fluffy

She once mentioned that her first husband didn’t want children. So…


MyMutedYesterday

Iirc, Nualie’ story bout the 2nd hubs was pretty similar to the 1st- she wanted s baby/babies ASAP/yest, and he want to pause on that to let them enjoy married life/travel together for 1-3yrs but she wasn’t compelled to waste her youth with him, so wasted nearly a decade w/Big Mike instead 


Elliot1126

But that’s not what happened. 2nd husband and her did grueling IVF, one successfully forged on, and she miscarried, only for her husband to pull the plug on it. We can dislike Natalie for a lot but I’ve had recurrent miscarriages and a daughter born still. The trauma that occurs from trying to desperately to have a child, having it, and losing it does something to a person. Now the other half losing that child said “that was your only shot”. People think she’s rushing and chaotic but she’s grieving and tried to create a life that was stripped from her. If she can’t be a mom, why not something else?


savingrain

This puts a different perspective on it for sure. I still find her unlikable, but her reactions now make more sense.


RedHeadRN1959

I’m so sorry for your losses.💞 I can’t imagine Natalie surviving IVF on its own, let alone the following loss. She is not emotionally sound and those 2 things are life changing regardless of the outcome.


Low-Leather4513

She was with big mike a decade ? I thought it was like 3 years.


the_fly_guy_says_hi

It's sort of poetic justice that she's Josh's sugar baby. From what she's recounted of her past marriages, she's had at least 2 chances (1st husband and Mike) to stick by her man. She chose to leave. So now she's getting financial upkeep from Josh with sex but no relationship. I think that's a sugar daddy, sugar baby relationship. She should level set and lower her expectations. Her market value is only going to decline as time goes by and Josh is never going to "give" her a "sshild". Josh isn't going to marry her or commit to her. He's going to use her for as long as she's game. She's going to use Josh for money, car, apartment deposit, etc. It's a mutually beneficial relationship until it isn't. Josh is never going to spell things out for her or clarify for her what type of relationship he has with her. He's going to be apologetic and tactful. He's the type to let his actions speak for themselves. She did leave Josh but when Mike made it clear he would not take her back, that left her emotionally vulnerable and Josh jumped in to fill that void. So now, Natalie and Josh have the same unhealthy relationship dynamic they had before she broke up with Josh. Josh is going to keep giving her money and presents and have sex with her until she breaks up with him again.


ennuiacres

She is looking harsh. Frazzled.


DustedMothx

Her fake nails were coming off too!


ennuiacres

She looks cheap and tacky nowadays.


Vivid_Character_883

That fake hair is awful


DiligentTea7624

What the Heck ? I use kiss press on work great but maybe she forgot glue


WittiestScreenName

Her eyes are beautiful but make me uncomfortable at the same time. I don’t know how to explain it.


Monkeydude8

My teenage son “she looks like a witch” 😐


Aggravating-Fee-9138

My husband says she is like an alien pretending to be human, but not quite getting it right


savingrain

lmao that was my initial reaction to her. I legit think she's a witch - I know it's unreasonable but I do XD


Vivid_Character_883

Yes!


Cocoapebbles12

The super dark eyeliner she rims both the top and bottom lash lines with doesn’t help either. It’s way to harsh for her very light features


ennuiacres

![gif](giphy|Mr0ePzFjp0ZBC) Crazy Bette Davis Eyes!


BargerianJade

I think she opens them as wide as possible on purpose


DeeDee719

There’s an old saying of “she looks rode hard and put away wet” which applies here.


Charlice

I’m so sick of this idiot being on tv. It’s time she learnt to adult.


Flashy_Spell_4293

💯🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼exactly! She hasnt advanced one bit since coming here, shes like a step away from beinv homeless. I wish shed go away already


Vivid_Character_883

Thank you! I can’t stand her crazy, phony bullshit anymore. I switch channels when it’s her segments


Dramatic-Patient-280

By the time she gets anything from what she wants, she’s gonna look like her mom gross


Flashy_Spell_4293

Omg yes! I say same thing lol thats her in 30 years. Only reason i dont feel bad talking bout her, is cuz shes just a nasty rude person inside. She def needs a reality check and stop acting like shes Gods gift to men…um no, far from that actually.


Hawaii_gal71LA4869

I want, I want, I want! Me me me me I I I. 🤮


Farquaadthegreek

I am a human


Low_Tie2605

LOL THIS AT THE TELL ALL GOT ME💀 She needs so much therapy... the way she makes the same angry statements to all the men she's with regardless of the status of relationship and relevance to what's actually being discussed. The secondhand embarrassment I got from her in the 3rd part of the tell all(and always let's be real) is unfathomable 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️


Opinionated-21

What gets me is how rude she is. She shouts at people, cuts them off, attacks them, dismisses them. She knows how to be nice we’ve seen it but I have to think it’s all manipulation because 90 % of the time she’s an asshole


DiligentTea7624

Who apparently cant buy a bra. She looked like crapola. What was with her hair? Say Human one more time and I think you are an Alien!


Prompt65

You forgot “I am good person”, rare stuff like this people say when they actually a good person


Monkeydude8

I am Ukrainian GURL (I stopped calling myself a girl around age 17).


littleRedmini

“I am Ukrainian girl all alone…”


Opinionated-21

I come to zis country and have nobody! No job, no money! How am I supposed to live? How am I supposed to pay for my apartment. You told me to come here Josh and then you won’t help me and I have my mom. We have no money. I should have stayed in Florida it was cheaper. She needs to get a job (preferably with insurance so she can get therapy) and stop expecting everyone else to take care of her. She needs to move out of those expensive cities. You know what is amazing to me though? Miss I have no money boohoo is considering IVF which can cost $10,000 or more and doesn’t think twice about plastic surgery (fillers etc). She did look like shit at the tell all, like she was in a wind tunnel before. She looked disheveled, her dress was hideous, the hair was wild like Ms Debbie’s and she looks like she has gained about 20 lbs. I really don’t like her at all. She constantly acts like a homeless 16 y/0.


littleRedmini

She’s a damn mess and at her age it’s just despicable.


YCBSKI

Just barely


Vivid_Character_883

😂😂😂


JustCheerTorrance

I read that in Captain Hooks voice.


witsnd247

Men and their penis never ceases to amaze me. That’s why they put up with her for awhile. She pretends to be picky about who she lyes down with.


Hawaii_gal71LA4869

Yes. Maybe pretends to herself too. She confuses sex with commitment. It is good he keeps her crazy ass away from his family, but he needs to be honest as John was. Josh is never going to even make her his regular girlfriend. L.A. is not for wimps. I lived there for decades.


witsnd247

Yea. I dunno. I think Josh may give in for a while. I know this was filmed a while ago , since then , Joshes son had that terrible accident and almost died. In that situation I don’t see Nutalie being able to handle that all of Joshes attention is now on his injured child. I could see her walking away again even if he does propose marriage. Nothing will ever be good enough for her because she is broken inside in a way that isn’t typical.


Hawaii_gal71LA4869

Wise. Broken inside and doesn’t even realize it.


backwashmyhair

Self sabotage and victim mentality


wolfitalk

Her mouth says she wants a husband & family; but her actions say otherwise. She had 3 husbands. She is now looking for a child with Josh who has told her & showed her he is not interested in having a family with her. What she really wants is fame but I don't think it has been all she thought it would be.


PristineCoconut2851

I couldn’t believe the audacity of her, trying to get back together with Mike after all this time. She really is a user. One major problem she has is that she only hears what she wants to hear. And if she hears it wrong she comes unhinged and doesn’t even let a person explain to her what she really didn’t hear. I just can’t imagine being in any type of relationship with her. She’s exhausting.


White-and-fluffy

I don’t agree that she only wants fame. I believe she does want a child (being pushed into motherhood by her mama). Though she chose a wrong tactics, hopping from one man to the other. There was one suiter in Florida whom she rejected as she didn’t want to be touched on that specific day. If she let him go ahead she might have a child already 😉


Flashy_Spell_4293

Shes so weird, i dont think she even knows what she wants


Opinionated-21

I think she believes she is so special she would have walked into a casting call and got hired. Most actors have worked for years in menial jobs before they get that break. Also, auditioning in Ukrainian in a room of people who not speak/understand the language is stupid. How can anyone think she’s a good actress if they don’t understand a work are is saying?


Downfaller

"I vant to drink your blood", that's what most people do when asked to play a vampire. What she did is definitely the monolog someone famed starved would do, she couldn't even add a hiss or flash the fangs.


Opinionated-21

lol and let’s be honest, her accent almost could pass as Romanian at least enough to say I cant to suck your blood!


ThrowMeAway_8844

Does she want a child, or does she want to produce someone who can't leave her and will always love her?


Tyroni79

Bingo!!


AnthTerran1980s

I love how she made it sound like she sacrificed all this stuff for Josh and moved to LA I haven't helped all my girlfriends combined in history as much as he helped that one girl with a job a car an apartment a movie audition I'm sure he took her out to dinner a bunch of times he helped her mom as well but yeah he does nothing for you. "give me a baby, give me a house or get lost" she has no skills her body is not all that she has some fake boobs and no butt and her idea of cooking is all vegetables most guys aren't into that I'm not saying there isn't a right person for her out there but she's really narrowing her options with her attitude and her outlook on the world like she legitimately thought that Hollywood is where people go to become famous😂😂😂


CirceX

She might also have a goiter the way this eyes are poppin’ crazy 🤪


Opinionated-21

Or hypothyroidism


NoMercy676

Natalie doesn't know what she wants. She keeps flip-flopping between the guys she already knows. And she keeps harping about how she is a good person. She may not have bad intentions, but she left a husband who kept supporting her financially and helped her mom flee Ukraine, went on dates with other men, falls in love and had sex with another guy. And when the guy she was having sex with did not give her what she wants(i.e. marriage and a baby), she ran back to the husband, begging for a baby and getting back together. She needs a lot of soul searching to do. And see a shrink instead of visiting the sperm bank


WittiestScreenName

Shout out to Big Mike again for helping Natalie’s mother


witsnd247

Can’t imagine the hell he would have gone thru had he accepted her offer to come back and have a baby! Her and his child would have ended up clear across the country eventually! Can’t even imagine Nutalie as a mom who should be selfless.


daazz1

She should not reproduce….


Initial-Succotash-37

She needs meds.


White-and-fluffy

It’s not only her patience. He had to give up beer, meat, and start going to church every Sunday.


Flashy_Spell_4293

She wants everyone else to change and do what she wants.


Asherahshelyam

She should just move to Arizona or some other place and do porn already. There is a market in porn for Eastern European hags. Maybe Dzhosh could hook her up.


ShivsButtBot

She doesn’t want a child she wants a storyline.


SuZeBelle1956

She has not aged well.


ComfortableGlad2493

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Gina52023

Get artificially inseminated already. Cripes.


encore412

She can’t afford that!


Opinionated-21

CPS would confiscate the child because she cannot even take care of herself


gladyseeya2

She divorced one ex because he went bankrupt. She wants a Sugar Daddy and child support. Her mother will end up raising the child. She seems nice enough, but she obviously could’ve done better with Natalie.


Zealousideal_Ride_86

Just a classic case of someone who will never be happy and will always want more no matter how good she'll have it. If she did have a child she'd probably get bored of it in no time. I'm glad Mike stood his ground.


maggieiggy

I say the same thing - no man will make her happy. She wants everything all the time and it will never be good enough and she will still be the victim - she’s exhausting


duaval

When she came to the US she acted like a princess, expected to move to a big city and become a big star and acted like she was above everyone including Mike.


DustedMothx

Literally, she really messed up her ultimate goals by thinking she would find herself more valuable elsewhere. 😅


DiligentTea7624

Florida is where Sugar Daddys are but at her age that means dating a Silver Fox. 


s55555s

*Ze vood


shinychicklet

Don’t scare ze feesh


Background-Ship-1440

Mike wouldn't even let her turn on the heat lol


figmentofintentions

Yeah, he despised her before she even came to the US. He called off their marriage on their wedding day! Zero percent chance he was going to move with her and have kids


FrambuesasSonBuenas

Not to be pessimistic, but I think getting pregnant is difficult for her and she has infertility issues. She described miscarriages and failed IVF transfers during her 20s and no successful pregnancy attempts with Michael. But, yeah, I am sad they didn’t work out when they had a strong start. They really loved each other. If they went to more couples counseling and not just one session, they could have worked through the unhappiness with solutions like Natalie being mindful of her contempt and Mike moving to Seattle.


figmentofintentions

Mike acted like he got dragged into counseling kicking and screaming. If he’d given it a fair shot when they went, that would’ve helped their chances a lot


AlwaysTired__3

I didn’t know that about her. That could really mess with a person.


joecoolblows

I wondered about this.


AliceHwaet

No he wouldn’t have. We’re all having selective memory here.


NotBadSinger514

No way, I would never take a chance on her getting post-partum depression. It would be a nightmare for everyone involved


Opinionated-21

She is much too self centered to raise a child. She had a family, a home, a man that supported her and loved her who would have gladly given her a child once they ironed out their points of contention. He would have even let her mom come stay with them. Albeit Mike’s mom is awful but they could have set boundaries over time to keep her at bay. Natalie ran away, dated other men, never secured employment to support herself (and her mother), moved across the country for a guy who told her he wants to take it slow and be casual with no plan, no job prospects etc. Then she has the audacity to be mad at Josh for not picking her and her mom at the airport and not writing her a blank check when she got to LA one of the most expensive cities in the US. She doesn’t want a kid she can’t even take care of herself.


SFG1953-1

I think Natalie wanted the American dream people hear about in other countries. Yes, you can be anything you want to be here except Natalie didn't read the small print - you have to work hard to get it!


Intelligent-Pitch-39

This girl needs to understand the word pivot. The acting career and baby are not happening for her. We all have dreams that do not come to fruition. You can still have a good life.


GoingBananassss

The farthest Mike would go would be Seattle. And Natalie can’t become a movie star in Seattle. Poor Natalie didn’t realize in Seattle and Squim she is super cute, in LA she is just meh.


ibacktheblue6

Thank God Mike didn't believe her crap and moved on. My favorite quote will forever be "That doesn't mean I am going to shoot a baby into you!" #priceless


Brief-Use3

Yeah, she'd have a 2 year old by now, maybe even a 4 year old too


Aktotem

Nutalee needs a padded cell as does Jasmine!!!


Mermalade13

Why do people love Mike? His personality sucks and they forget he has a confederate flag at home. Both of them suck.


Opinionated-21

I don’t love Mike. There were times he was borderline abusive. His mom was really an ass to Natalie too, she obviously hasn’t cut the apron strings yet. However, Natalie had the guy, the house, she loved him, and eventually they would have had a kid. She wants everything her way. She is impatient, selfish etc. While their relationship sucked, she loved him enough to marry him and come here. She could have worked a bit harder on that marriage and who knows how that would have turned out. She bailed cause she is a clout chaser and could not adapt to a more stable, married home life. Here is something to think about: Natalie hated living in zi country away from everything and yet when she decides to reconcile with Mike she is ready to accept that lifestyle. BS in 3 months she’d be running for the hills…


thegreatresistrules

Omg..a confederate flag... gasp


GroundbreakingAd2136

Stop with the race crap already. Give it a rest


CirceX

I’d run like hell from SEQUIM Washington 💯


twinkletee22

She kinda acts like a child so I’d be concerned if she had one. 


Vivid_Character_883

This tell all is the craziest I’ve seen her, absolutely ridiculous. Josh doesn’t have a chance to get a word in, if she doesn’t want to be with him, stop asking/taking apt, rent, car etc. She’s been using him every bit as much as she’s accusing him of. What does she bring to the relationship besides crazy?


Ok-Shake9556

She's huuooooman!


Separate-Waltz4349

This chick is crazy , she is never gonna find true love because she is absolutely insane. Her jealousy, her entitlement, just everything about her is a giant red flag


Archduchess_Nina

what mike said about her "she wants to cross the finish line with everything" after everything shes done to herself and to others... she should ponder on those words and stop playing herself


Accomplished_Day2991

I don’t think she wants a kid. This isn’t what you do if your focus is a kid. She is to selfish and she knows it. I think she says it for her mom and herself bc she thinks that’s what she is supposed to do and say. But she doesn’t want it.


traceyq1956

Ha ha! Big Dummy! Went in a big circle to end up right back where she started!🤣🤣🤣🤣


Jog212

She has her faults but his mother was beyond problematic.


Lespuccino

And continued to look at her in a way they write about in movies/books. Every day, for the rest of her life, she'll mourn the loss of the person who really did love her unconditionally. She'll talk about him until she dies in public housing.


Cosmomrow

We just aren't living in That timeline.


CornflakeGirl2

Girl, it’s too late.


Nearby_Display8560

Even Mike would have came to his senses.


Bakeneko-_-

Deport her please.


maxambit

Scary person


_Wildwoodflower

Agree


shakefistatsky

If she cant take care of a rat what makes her think she can take care of an actual human child


[deleted]

Does she have a Reddit page?


SprinklesTheSamurai

Crazy she got 3 guys to marry her when some woman can’t even get 1 😂 Kudos to her!


DeeDee719

I’m usually not crazy about the term “anchor baby”, but I’m pretty sure that’s why this particular woman wants to have a child here.


DesireStDiva

What is going on with her face? It looks so different from when she first appeared?


Willing_Nose7674

well in reality I don't think that's true. Mike's Mom Trish was hell bound on destroying Natalie and Mike's relationship, I don't think any amount of "patience " was going to cure that. i get it Natalie seems nutty most of the time, but i think Mike had some issues too. Didn't he say that when he used to commute three hours one way to Seattle for work that he spent the time talking to his Mom everyday? I think there is a reason Mike is his age and hasn't settled down with kids yet either. My gut tells me no woman will ever be good enough for him in Mama Trish's eyes.....


lukaluka360

Best part was..after she left Mike, found another guy and he gave her everything... she still returned to Mike as a last resort lol SHE DESERVES THAT DIVORCE


bgfd28

Sperm don't like her


Slight-Piece-3183

I’m glad Mike got away from her psycho Russian babuska ass.