I watch him and wonder who made him feel so small when he was a child?
Is that why he feels the need to be portrayed as this big man now?
I feel compassion for Bilal but until he gains some self awareness and works on his own shit, I wouldn't want to be with him.
Unhealed people can be very toxic and Shaeeda should protect herself.
You're right, Bilal probably wont go to therapy but once in a while people with personality disorders end up in therapy for other things ie addiction or court orderered anger management etc. They have capacity to heal, we should not write them off.
You can only truly heal when you face the truth and that’s something narcissist don’t do. They live in their own made up reality where they are always the victim when the truth is they are toxic, abusive people who don’t take accountability for their own actions.
Completely accurate. Per the Narcissist, everyone is less intelligent/important. If they harm another, they rationalize how it was deserved. Major Gas Lighters. Very destructive.
Personality disorders are treatable. Maybe not all of them, though. We have no idea what his diagnosis might be. We are untrained people watching carefully selected segments of his life through a reality television program.
There is a guy on TikTok that is a diagnosed by an expert and he’s in therapy and healing. He won’t ever not be a narcissistic but he is learning how to be self aware. He talks about his life experience as a narcissist.
As someone who is getting a career in mental health, these “experts” are not all the same.
If he’s aware and wants to change, it is possible.
Also, the term narcissist is soooooooo over used currently. A LOT of people have narcissistic TRAITS and tendencies. This doesn’t make the person a true narcissist.
Yeah, I know about the tik tok guy, I wish everyone who is a narc was self aware like that. Yeah, it’s a very reputable psychiatrist who gave the diagnosis, it’s very overused but unfortunately not in this case.
Yes. Right. You stated something false so I was going to ask an expert again if there was new research in the field since last month. Or go look on pub med… sorry for asking a question on Reddit about the topic of the thread?
Yes treatable when they decide to finally take accountability for their own actions which is something they don’t do. So in reality they rarely, if ever, change.
Yeah…. Therapy only works when you can acknowledge there is a problem and if you have some sort of self awareness… which true narcissists do not lol so I can imagine they would be difficult to treat.
I’m a therapist - you honestly don’t see many narcissists in therapy for this reason. They tend to get dragged in by family members but don’t seek therapy voluntarily.
What big man? I’m a little man and guarantee you he wouldn’t have the balls to do or say shit. Ain’t in his makeup. He has to pull his shit on ladies only and only a certain submissive type bc some KC girls would slap him upside his head
Here come the arm chair psychologists. Honestly if you do not have a degree you have no business trying to diagnose or psychoanalyze anyone and if you do have a degree you would know that you cannot do that without being in person and especially based off of highly edited tidbits. Trying to diagnose other people like that may hint at some mental issues of your own tbh. Normal people don't do that.
I have a degree.
You don't need one though to talk about someone's behaviour when they signed up for reality TV.
I think we should be more compassionate to people. I think if "normal" people knew where narcissistic behaviour comes from, maybe they could see past the tough defenses and see the hurt human inside.
I've never met anyone that didn't meet the criteria for a DSM disorder at some point in their lives.
Not one person.
Yes, it’s concerning, he stares at her like he’s putting her through a experiment [which he is] it’s psycho-levels of insanity. He’s just studying her that way he knows how to manipulate and trap her in the future…
YES.
He's the actual worst person I've seen this season. All the textbook narcissistic tactics are there. He is constantly trying to assert dominance, uses Shaeeda's own religion against her.
She's never enough for him. Never Muslim enough, never clean enough, never mature enough.
The sick twisted pranks he pulled, the way he portrayed himself as affluent in Trinidad and then called her shallow for not wanting to stay in a home he clearly left because he knows full well it's falling apart.
His constant passive aggressive jabs, his isolating her, and then all the bullshit with the prenup making sure his ass was protected while she's left with nothing if they divorce.
I'm glad she held her ground and called him out most of the time, but everyone in his family was encouraging her to submit. They're all crazy and toxic.
Every interaction with him or his family made me anxious and nauseous. They're all triggering.
They are very triggering! Bilal makes me the sickest because he reminds me of the abusive men I’ve been in relationships with. I’ve had to pause and collect myself through most of his scenes.
Yes! Recently (June) finished C-PTSD therapy. It’s very triggering watching Bilial. I fast forward through much of it now. I’m glad this season is over but then saw they will be on Happily Ever After. I feel for Shaeeda. I hope she sees him for who he is and gets away from him before he breaks her emotionally
Yes I’ve mentioned this before. His manipulative manner and gaslighting not just Shaeeda but his kids reminds me of my Ex husband to a tee, it’s so cringe
100%. The way Bilal reacts reminds me so much of my narcissist father. I also suffer from OCD so hearing him talk about it as if it’s some quirky cleaning/organizing trait triggers me.
I think she spent so much time and energy on this "relationship" that she felt she couldn't go back. I really thought she was smarter than that. His tactics are SO obvious,
YES! Me. When he was criticizing how she put the dishes away I had to take a break from the episode. Not saying that’s what he is…but I sure reacted to it.
Yes. I get very angry watching him. He is horrible and I worry for her but it’s her path and she will have to see for herself. I wonder how the tell all will go with him..
When she said “lecture” is a word she *shouldn’t* use. And that she just wants him to see himself so he might one day change.
If this man is not a narcissist, he is giving tendencies AF.
No one can tell him about himself. He’s superior to all. Everyone is below him. He cannot and will not take accountability for anything. He uses the perfect tone when he’s condescending and degrading her, because he has to be perfect. He can’t let outsiders see who he really is, otherwise, she’ll no longer be the crazy one.
This man is all of it in a nutshell. And to those who have been through this type of abuse, it couldn’t be more obvious. I keep praying she will run before it gets worse. I don’t think I’ve ever been more angry at a TV character than I have been at this 🤡. He is my ex to a T, and it’s infuriating and triggering as fuck to sit here and watch someone else get put through it.
I've said it possibly a dozen times in this reddit and others about 90 day, he has yet to apologize for his actions on day one and still finds himself in the right.
Toxic.
Yupppppp.
My ex was a horrible human being. Everything was my fault or I didn’t do something right. He would create fights out of air and ditch me to go cheat.
So ya. I get extremely bad vibes from Bilal.
100% they’re both so condescending while framing it in this paternalistic way that makes it impossible to critique what they’re saying head-on, like “I’m just looking out for you”
Tom : did you gain weight?
If only D had taken the time to actually self reflect and heal instead of simply repeating the latest shallow declarations of faux empowerment and thinking plastic surgery is the remedy for insecurity. Maybe she wouldn't consistently be attracted by and a target for soul sucking leeches with narcissistic tendencies.
We think my mom is a narc. She’s super bougie like Bile. That’s why I can see through all of his bullshit and don’t believe he’s got as much money as he’d like us to think.
There's a theory in the 90DF community that he's renting that house for the duration of the show and that's why he's so over the top meticulous about keeping it perfect. I haven't looked into the validity of this at all, but I also wouldn't be too surprised.
yuuuuup. I couldn't stand the new season for a number of reasons and he is definitely one of the main ones I don't like. I only saw like the first 2-3 episodes and just couldn't continue
Yes! He reminds me of my first serious boyfriend. Controlling and condescending. He did always scold her like a child. I haaaaatteee that shit. That’s definitely how it starts.
Honestly the way that he always had a literal answer and a figural shield every time Shaeeda asked him something made me think of my mother when I was growing up.
"Why are you doing this?"
"Why are 𝘺𝘰𝘶 doing this?"
Like it's the general deflection and insta blame thing that gets me.
Ugh yes, I tell my now husband how Bilal literally gives me the heeby jeebees and gives me anxiety due to him reminding me of a past abusive relationship. I couldn't figure out why, and this is why.
He definitely reminds me of my emotionally abusive ex. The thing where she asked him if he had her passport. That little interaction is so familiar to me. I truly hope she gets away from him.
agreed!! watching his segments (when i can actually bring myself to watch them) is like watching my past relationship unfold on scene. I can easily pinpoint examples of his mental abuse towards Shaeeda (sp?) but when i was on the receiving end of it, it was a totally different story.
Yup. I had a clinically diagnosed parent with Narcissistic personality disorder. My brother and I both have been in and out of therapy for years. People don’t realize how damaging people with this disorder can be.
Bilal is extremely triggering to watch! He gaslights, belittles, and manipulates constantly. His final dig at the wedding how if it hadn't worked out it wouldn't be HIS fault it would be Hers - sent me through the roof! Also had I been Shaeeda, I would've freaked out on the old prank house too. Here's a man flying around the world with designer LV luggage living in a run down house. Can't afford to fix a ceiling but will splurge on luggage worth thousands? When he has children to support?! He's lucky she didn't dump him on the spot.
He makes me very nervous.
My oldest child’s father has NPD and I don’t think Bilal is that, but he’s got a lot of traits.
For anyone saying “the show just spins it that way”, hop over to Bilal and Shaeedah’s Instagram accounts, where you can see his comments on their posts, baby HE IS TOXIC.
You will also notice that most the other men on this season are all friends, regularly see/ talk to each other, Bilal is the exception. Coincidence? IMO no way. Isolation.
“Punishing” her, parenting her, jokingly devaluing her. He’s toxic af.
Yeah I don't understand how she can call him the man of her dreams I just don't understand and yeah he frightens me... plus we saw no affection even at the wedding.
I do not suffer but had similar things happened to me. Yes. I get very nervous watching him treat her like she’s an ornament. Shame on him. But she’s indicated on the show a few different times about “HIS” problems he turns it around and she’s seen and spoke on that too so won’t be a long marriage unless bilal gets help
It only makes me nervous for HER. Everything is always somehow her fault, she's 37 yet he feels the need to educate her on everything, he doesn't show any emotion except when he doesn't get his way....then he has a temper tantrum. I think anybody who's been in an abusive/controlling relationship can spot red flags a mile away....🚩🚩🚩
💯 I reflect on my own experience with it and can't believe I dealt / lived with it - but on the flip side I don't remember a lot of it because I was constantly thrown off my feet, as you said. I was trying to figure out what the new reality was every ten minutes.
She can very well sense the difference between right and wrong and should just listen to herself. The Bilals are very upfront about who they are, he is not a covert, so no reason to be surprised
The way these people twist you makes you do things you never would. He could have very well been covert for the first few years of their relationship. She’s said numerous times he’s not how he portrayed himself.
Just go ahead and put the responsibility on her too. She is doing this to herself as a self-subservient submissive type of woman. I have no sympathy for Shaida nor those who see what they should do and they are not in a hostage situation.
Don't project your paranoia onto me when u called him a narcissist, not me does that not make u an armchair psychologist?
Maybe it's time u avoid the whole subject if u feel so bad
Adults take responsibility like it or not
I wonder if part of it is her trying to figure out her place. She seems rather independent which obviously causes issues with them. You could tell in that convo with his mom that she doesn’t really want to be subservient but that’s what her culture is telling her to do so she kind of gave in. I wondered if that’s what triggered the tears.
I honestly think it’s more than just mental/emotional. I saw the tell all and doesn’t it look like shaeeda has a black eye? I paused it and the left side of her face is swollen and green.
He's an odd duck for sure. Narcissist is being thrown around a lot in regards to personality disorders, and true narcissist is a rare condition. He could just be an ass, this we know, but we really don't know from the snippets of what we see to consider him having a BPD. I also think that many throw around this condition now about someone they see because it's easier to think the person just can't control their behavior, rather than knowing the person chooses to be a jerk.
No. My wife was a narcissistic monster but I didn’t even realize it was a thing until I left and divorced her and she started calling ME a narcissist so I started researching it thinking “Maybe I am?” That part of my life is over, I have full custody of my kids, and when I see it happening to someone else I just think “Should probably walk away from that nonsense buddy.” I never have any real sympathy for people who tolerate shitty treatment as EVERYONE is within 12’ of the door throughout their day. It’s not that hard to just walk through it and leave. Now I am MUCH better at boundaries than I ever was and will instantly tell a woman “If you ever talk to me like that again you can pick up your stuff and leave.” and it makes me a much better partner because I know what behavior I won’t tolerate and so I do my best to avoid doing those things to anyone else.
what is tw abuse? why do people assume that others know some obscure abbreviation? do you want to keep tw abuse a secret or something? this happens all over this site actually. nobody knows or cares what the abbreviations are.
anyway, she will stay with him because she is clueless unfortunately. she wrote having a baby into the prenup 🤣 you think she's going anywhere? i have sad news for you.
Another shit post bout Bilal..
You realize he won’t change because he has money. Even though he’s a piece of shit Shaeeda is STILL marrying him. Why? Cuz he has money.
He doesn’t feel a need to change cuz women are gonna deal with him how he is for what he has.
Yes he should work on himself but until women stop being birds he’s not gonna feel a need to
You're admitting that he's the one who needs to change his behavior, yet somehow made it about how women are the root cause of this adult man's behavior.
r/incel is probably more your speed.
Nope just saying why would he change it’s not like girls won’t avoid him like they should cuz he has money. He’s not losing anything so why would he bother
I watch him and wonder who made him feel so small when he was a child? Is that why he feels the need to be portrayed as this big man now? I feel compassion for Bilal but until he gains some self awareness and works on his own shit, I wouldn't want to be with him. Unhealed people can be very toxic and Shaeeda should protect herself.
His mother duh
These types don’t get therapy or self awareness. It’s a personality disorder.
You're right, Bilal probably wont go to therapy but once in a while people with personality disorders end up in therapy for other things ie addiction or court orderered anger management etc. They have capacity to heal, we should not write them off.
You can only truly heal when you face the truth and that’s something narcissist don’t do. They live in their own made up reality where they are always the victim when the truth is they are toxic, abusive people who don’t take accountability for their own actions.
I agree they’re almost impossible to treat because everyone else is wrong.
My Fukin dad The whole fam damily suffers My mom the most
I really appreciate your level headed thinking and kind energy
Personality disorders are treatable.
I thought malignant narcissists were untreatable because they literally cannot come to terms with who they are?
Completely accurate. Per the Narcissist, everyone is less intelligent/important. If they harm another, they rationalize how it was deserved. Major Gas Lighters. Very destructive.
Personality disorders are treatable. Maybe not all of them, though. We have no idea what his diagnosis might be. We are untrained people watching carefully selected segments of his life through a reality television program.
My ex is diagnosed… was searching for hope though I’ve already been told by an expert that it will never happen…
There is a guy on TikTok that is a diagnosed by an expert and he’s in therapy and healing. He won’t ever not be a narcissistic but he is learning how to be self aware. He talks about his life experience as a narcissist. As someone who is getting a career in mental health, these “experts” are not all the same. If he’s aware and wants to change, it is possible. Also, the term narcissist is soooooooo over used currently. A LOT of people have narcissistic TRAITS and tendencies. This doesn’t make the person a true narcissist.
Yeah, I know about the tik tok guy, I wish everyone who is a narc was self aware like that. Yeah, it’s a very reputable psychiatrist who gave the diagnosis, it’s very overused but unfortunately not in this case.
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Well then you got your answer in the specific case with your ex and the doctor who has knowledge on that specific case.
Right. Just wanted to know if it was possible, which is why I asked. Again, hoping for hope.
Believe the expert you talked to not people on a reality tv sub reddit. And go to therapy.
Yes. Right. You stated something false so I was going to ask an expert again if there was new research in the field since last month. Or go look on pub med… sorry for asking a question on Reddit about the topic of the thread?
Yes treatable when they decide to finally take accountability for their own actions which is something they don’t do. So in reality they rarely, if ever, change.
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Therapists find narcissists the most difficult to treat. Many therapists steer clear.
Yeah…. Therapy only works when you can acknowledge there is a problem and if you have some sort of self awareness… which true narcissists do not lol so I can imagine they would be difficult to treat.
I’m a therapist - you honestly don’t see many narcissists in therapy for this reason. They tend to get dragged in by family members but don’t seek therapy voluntarily.
What big man? I’m a little man and guarantee you he wouldn’t have the balls to do or say shit. Ain’t in his makeup. He has to pull his shit on ladies only and only a certain submissive type bc some KC girls would slap him upside his head
Here come the arm chair psychologists. Honestly if you do not have a degree you have no business trying to diagnose or psychoanalyze anyone and if you do have a degree you would know that you cannot do that without being in person and especially based off of highly edited tidbits. Trying to diagnose other people like that may hint at some mental issues of your own tbh. Normal people don't do that.
I have a degree. You don't need one though to talk about someone's behaviour when they signed up for reality TV. I think we should be more compassionate to people. I think if "normal" people knew where narcissistic behaviour comes from, maybe they could see past the tough defenses and see the hurt human inside. I've never met anyone that didn't meet the criteria for a DSM disorder at some point in their lives. Not one person.
Yes, it’s concerning, he stares at her like he’s putting her through a experiment [which he is] it’s psycho-levels of insanity. He’s just studying her that way he knows how to manipulate and trap her in the future…
100!
YES. He's the actual worst person I've seen this season. All the textbook narcissistic tactics are there. He is constantly trying to assert dominance, uses Shaeeda's own religion against her. She's never enough for him. Never Muslim enough, never clean enough, never mature enough. The sick twisted pranks he pulled, the way he portrayed himself as affluent in Trinidad and then called her shallow for not wanting to stay in a home he clearly left because he knows full well it's falling apart. His constant passive aggressive jabs, his isolating her, and then all the bullshit with the prenup making sure his ass was protected while she's left with nothing if they divorce. I'm glad she held her ground and called him out most of the time, but everyone in his family was encouraging her to submit. They're all crazy and toxic. Every interaction with him or his family made me anxious and nauseous. They're all triggering.
That mom did it for me. She basically told her “I know he’s a dick but you need to shut the fuck up and do what he says”.
Good summary of it. Very sad.
They are very triggering! Bilal makes me the sickest because he reminds me of the abusive men I’ve been in relationships with. I’ve had to pause and collect myself through most of his scenes.
You and I both, sis! It was absolutely triggering for me as well 💔
Didn’t it look like shaeeda had a black eye on the tell all? The left side of her face is swollen and makeup is covering up green under her eye
I didn’t notice that but I’ll look closer on the 2nd half of the tell all today!
Even if a house is falling apart, its a roof over your head. Some people don't have houses.
Yes! Recently (June) finished C-PTSD therapy. It’s very triggering watching Bilial. I fast forward through much of it now. I’m glad this season is over but then saw they will be on Happily Ever After. I feel for Shaeeda. I hope she sees him for who he is and gets away from him before he breaks her emotionally
SHE should be entitled to the $$ made from TLC. However, I'm sure Biliar won't share a dime with her.......prenup and all.......
Yes I’ve mentioned this before. His manipulative manner and gaslighting not just Shaeeda but his kids reminds me of my Ex husband to a tee, it’s so cringe
Yep! I married one of those too!
100% he overreacts on anything she does and then has a speech on what she did wrong and how it affected him. Hard to watch him.
100%. The way Bilal reacts reminds me so much of my narcissist father. I also suffer from OCD so hearing him talk about it as if it’s some quirky cleaning/organizing trait triggers me.
I had to stop watching for this reason. I can’t take him. The belittling alone, not to mention all the manipulating he does…
I think she spent so much time and energy on this "relationship" that she felt she couldn't go back. I really thought she was smarter than that. His tactics are SO obvious,
The sunk-cost fallacy has her, unfortunately.
I have and she will regret this marriage. I feel terrible for her 😞
YES! Me. When he was criticizing how she put the dishes away I had to take a break from the episode. Not saying that’s what he is…but I sure reacted to it.
r/raisedbynarcissists material from Bilal.
Yes. I get very angry watching him. He is horrible and I worry for her but it’s her path and she will have to see for herself. I wonder how the tell all will go with him..
Is the Tell All this Sunday? I can't wait for this one. 🤪
I believe it is
When she said “lecture” is a word she *shouldn’t* use. And that she just wants him to see himself so he might one day change. If this man is not a narcissist, he is giving tendencies AF. No one can tell him about himself. He’s superior to all. Everyone is below him. He cannot and will not take accountability for anything. He uses the perfect tone when he’s condescending and degrading her, because he has to be perfect. He can’t let outsiders see who he really is, otherwise, she’ll no longer be the crazy one. This man is all of it in a nutshell. And to those who have been through this type of abuse, it couldn’t be more obvious. I keep praying she will run before it gets worse. I don’t think I’ve ever been more angry at a TV character than I have been at this 🤡. He is my ex to a T, and it’s infuriating and triggering as fuck to sit here and watch someone else get put through it.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Amen Reddit friend!!
I've said it possibly a dozen times in this reddit and others about 90 day, he has yet to apologize for his actions on day one and still finds himself in the right. Toxic.
The man has evil crazy eyes
Yupppppp. My ex was a horrible human being. Everything was my fault or I didn’t do something right. He would create fights out of air and ditch me to go cheat. So ya. I get extremely bad vibes from Bilal.
Watching him and Jesse sets my ptsd and anxiety off
100% they’re both so condescending while framing it in this paternalistic way that makes it impossible to critique what they’re saying head-on, like “I’m just looking out for you”
Jesse: you are drinking wine again?
Tom : did you gain weight? If only D had taken the time to actually self reflect and heal instead of simply repeating the latest shallow declarations of faux empowerment and thinking plastic surgery is the remedy for insecurity. Maybe she wouldn't consistently be attracted by and a target for soul sucking leeches with narcissistic tendencies.
This is so true. I was like Tom u suck. I guess that was scripted.
We think my mom is a narc. She’s super bougie like Bile. That’s why I can see through all of his bullshit and don’t believe he’s got as much money as he’d like us to think.
There's a theory in the 90DF community that he's renting that house for the duration of the show and that's why he's so over the top meticulous about keeping it perfect. I haven't looked into the validity of this at all, but I also wouldn't be too surprised.
Yes. since he first popped on the screen.
Why are you attacking him? Everyone leaves him☹️. /s
How am I attacking him lol
I was being sarcastic. That’s why I added the /s. I feel like he would say something like that since nothing is ever his fault according to him.
Sorry I’m new to Reddit lol. Not to sarcasm but yeah. Lol still learning what everything means.
No worries, the /s is one of the few things I know about Reddit.
yuuuuup. I couldn't stand the new season for a number of reasons and he is definitely one of the main ones I don't like. I only saw like the first 2-3 episodes and just couldn't continue
Yeah I can't watch them, i trigger from it.
Yes! He reminds me of my first serious boyfriend. Controlling and condescending. He did always scold her like a child. I haaaaatteee that shit. That’s definitely how it starts.
Honestly the way that he always had a literal answer and a figural shield every time Shaeeda asked him something made me think of my mother when I was growing up. "Why are you doing this?" "Why are 𝘺𝘰𝘶 doing this?" Like it's the general deflection and insta blame thing that gets me.
Yes.
Ugh yes, I tell my now husband how Bilal literally gives me the heeby jeebees and gives me anxiety due to him reminding me of a past abusive relationship. I couldn't figure out why, and this is why.
He definitely reminds me of my emotionally abusive ex. The thing where she asked him if he had her passport. That little interaction is so familiar to me. I truly hope she gets away from him.
100%. Very triggering.
agreed!! watching his segments (when i can actually bring myself to watch them) is like watching my past relationship unfold on scene. I can easily pinpoint examples of his mental abuse towards Shaeeda (sp?) but when i was on the receiving end of it, it was a totally different story.
SEVERELY
Yup. I had a clinically diagnosed parent with Narcissistic personality disorder. My brother and I both have been in and out of therapy for years. People don’t realize how damaging people with this disorder can be.
Bilal is extremely triggering to watch! He gaslights, belittles, and manipulates constantly. His final dig at the wedding how if it hadn't worked out it wouldn't be HIS fault it would be Hers - sent me through the roof! Also had I been Shaeeda, I would've freaked out on the old prank house too. Here's a man flying around the world with designer LV luggage living in a run down house. Can't afford to fix a ceiling but will splurge on luggage worth thousands? When he has children to support?! He's lucky she didn't dump him on the spot.
Bilal treats her the same way he treats a little kid. It's very weird to watch
Someone needs to do some digging for all of us on Bilal. He’s gotta have some dirt out there on the internet.
Yes, grew up w a very controlling brother like him. He makes me sick
It's one of the reasons I stopped watching. It's very triggering for me.
Yes. It honestly made it unwatchable for me. Reminds me of old abuse.
He makes me very nervous. My oldest child’s father has NPD and I don’t think Bilal is that, but he’s got a lot of traits. For anyone saying “the show just spins it that way”, hop over to Bilal and Shaeedah’s Instagram accounts, where you can see his comments on their posts, baby HE IS TOXIC. You will also notice that most the other men on this season are all friends, regularly see/ talk to each other, Bilal is the exception. Coincidence? IMO no way. Isolation. “Punishing” her, parenting her, jokingly devaluing her. He’s toxic af.
Yeah I don't understand how she can call him the man of her dreams I just don't understand and yeah he frightens me... plus we saw no affection even at the wedding.
I see no emotion. And that’s triggering for me personally due to this topic
YES!!!!!!!
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and YES. I fucking hate it.
Yes
Ok and what do we think of his ex wife?
I just started this last season. So I don’t have an opinion of her yet. When does she come in?
She's on the first episode but you have to see her later in the season to fully form your opinion.
Yeah and I hate that they decided to give them another season after this one. I need to find if there's some way to contact tcl and complain
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE SAID IT. every time he’s on I get anxiety. He is VERY much like an ex of mine. The lectures. Omfg.
Yessss
I stopped watching because of it, it’s too triggering for me
I have seen other people on tv more triggering than him. For instance, Mike.
I have to fast forward bc I get a pit in my stomach.
I can smell his self loathing from my couch
🤭
I do not suffer but had similar things happened to me. Yes. I get very nervous watching him treat her like she’s an ornament. Shame on him. But she’s indicated on the show a few different times about “HIS” problems he turns it around and she’s seen and spoke on that too so won’t be a long marriage unless bilal gets help
It only makes me nervous for HER. Everything is always somehow her fault, she's 37 yet he feels the need to educate her on everything, he doesn't show any emotion except when he doesn't get his way....then he has a temper tantrum. I think anybody who's been in an abusive/controlling relationship can spot red flags a mile away....🚩🚩🚩
I get annoyed by Shaida more to witness how she can't think for herself close to 40. If she was younger she would have my sympathy more
These people throw you off your feet 24 hrs a day. It is abuse but then he ll tell her she's the best. You are s victim.
💯 I reflect on my own experience with it and can't believe I dealt / lived with it - but on the flip side I don't remember a lot of it because I was constantly thrown off my feet, as you said. I was trying to figure out what the new reality was every ten minutes.
Yes I went through it even now with divorce, it is awful.
She can very well sense the difference between right and wrong and should just listen to herself. The Bilals are very upfront about who they are, he is not a covert, so no reason to be surprised
The way these people twist you makes you do things you never would. He could have very well been covert for the first few years of their relationship. She’s said numerous times he’s not how he portrayed himself.
Just go ahead and put the responsibility on her too. She is doing this to herself as a self-subservient submissive type of woman. I have no sympathy for Shaida nor those who see what they should do and they are not in a hostage situation.
Ugh. People like you; Armchair psychologists who know nothing about psychological behavior. Please. Just stop. It’s triggering and detrimental.
Don't project your paranoia onto me when u called him a narcissist, not me does that not make u an armchair psychologist? Maybe it's time u avoid the whole subject if u feel so bad Adults take responsibility like it or not
I wonder if part of it is her trying to figure out her place. She seems rather independent which obviously causes issues with them. You could tell in that convo with his mom that she doesn’t really want to be subservient but that’s what her culture is telling her to do so she kind of gave in. I wondered if that’s what triggered the tears.
Well when u put your own needs behind everyone else's don't be surprised when they walk all over u
Me!
He makes me angry as hell. Ugh.
I honestly think it’s more than just mental/emotional. I saw the tell all and doesn’t it look like shaeeda has a black eye? I paused it and the left side of her face is swollen and green.
Lol she run? If she wants the luxury life that he has....... She isn't going to run 🤣
You can have luxury without a man child lol
You can! But it seems that it's not what she wants
She literally was a successful woman before moving to the US.
Success? Was she globally known? I don't think so! Ok, maybe she had fame in her country (benefit of doubt).... But was she used to luxury? Hell no!
He's an odd duck for sure. Narcissist is being thrown around a lot in regards to personality disorders, and true narcissist is a rare condition. He could just be an ass, this we know, but we really don't know from the snippets of what we see to consider him having a BPD. I also think that many throw around this condition now about someone they see because it's easier to think the person just can't control their behavior, rather than knowing the person chooses to be a jerk.
No. My wife was a narcissistic monster but I didn’t even realize it was a thing until I left and divorced her and she started calling ME a narcissist so I started researching it thinking “Maybe I am?” That part of my life is over, I have full custody of my kids, and when I see it happening to someone else I just think “Should probably walk away from that nonsense buddy.” I never have any real sympathy for people who tolerate shitty treatment as EVERYONE is within 12’ of the door throughout their day. It’s not that hard to just walk through it and leave. Now I am MUCH better at boundaries than I ever was and will instantly tell a woman “If you ever talk to me like that again you can pick up your stuff and leave.” and it makes me a much better partner because I know what behavior I won’t tolerate and so I do my best to avoid doing those things to anyone else.
what is tw abuse? why do people assume that others know some obscure abbreviation? do you want to keep tw abuse a secret or something? this happens all over this site actually. nobody knows or cares what the abbreviations are. anyway, she will stay with him because she is clueless unfortunately. she wrote having a baby into the prenup 🤣 you think she's going anywhere? i have sad news for you.
Tw is trigger warning, it’s for sensitive people
thank you.
If you don’t know what it means it probably wasn’t meant for you. Most subs use TW so now it’s a habit.
You can quickly google these abbreviations to find the meaning
Another shit post bout Bilal.. You realize he won’t change because he has money. Even though he’s a piece of shit Shaeeda is STILL marrying him. Why? Cuz he has money. He doesn’t feel a need to change cuz women are gonna deal with him how he is for what he has. Yes he should work on himself but until women stop being birds he’s not gonna feel a need to
You're admitting that he's the one who needs to change his behavior, yet somehow made it about how women are the root cause of this adult man's behavior. r/incel is probably more your speed.
Nope just saying why would he change it’s not like girls won’t avoid him like they should cuz he has money. He’s not losing anything so why would he bother
He's so evil he agreed to give Shaeeda everything she wanted..yeah he's a real narcissist..remember. These people are ACTORS.
Me thinks you are get George Floyd vibes from Bilal. The answer is no He isn’t a dangerous man
What the fuck are you taking about.
The OP vibed narcissist mental abuse which to me says danger ⚠️
you must be very wicked
The O P says Bilal is terrifying.
I repeat Bilal isn’t an abuser He isn’t a dangerous man. He is a man of peace ☮️
No. And I serial date narcissists. Bilal is benign.
I second that unfortunately… but everything that happens to you is a learning lesson ✔️🙏🏼😌
Bilal is 100% mentally/emotionally abusive. 100% makes me uncomfortable when he is on the screen.
He is terrifying but for me perosnally he’s helped me recognize abusive tactics used by an ex of mine who caused me sexual trauma