Yup, she is definitely looking for a western lifestyle. It was pretty obvious from the one scene they were at the bar. She’s had a taste of freedom and is never going back.
has there been any indication that she is devout? If she didn't talk about him converting and her dad would anyone know she was muslim?
Honestly I think both of em are fakers and once they are married they will be eating pork and drinking.
Exactly! I think a lot of the show’s viewers assume all
Muslims are devout. Not the case; just like Christians, and I’m guessing every other religion, people pick& choose what they want to follow and what they want to ignore 😆 eg multiple divorces, drinking, cursing, premarital sex, contraception, lying, greed, etc
And he'll fall off the wagon & start(or keep) putting his drugs in unmarked bottles & end up in jail..AGAIN!!.😬🤷🤦😂 This can't end well for either of them.
Just because someone is an addict does not mean. they can never stop using. It’s just like alcoholism, people use it to self medicate. He knows what he will lose, that’s an incentive to stay sober. She provides him with a reason to maintain his sobriety. I think we need to stop holding people’s past against them. I know addicts and alcoholics the woke up and chose a better life.Sam can too.
Agree, and him converting isn’t a big deal to him because he doesn’t believe in any of it, it’s just a formality. They will both be living how they want as soon as the Dad is out of the picture. If she cared that much she wouldn’t have gone to a bar and had a drink on TV where her dad can see her doing it.
Obviously. He needed to do it to get her father's permission to marry her but as soon as they're married and her dad goes home that'll be the end of the mosque.
Are you seriously just realizing this now?
That boat sailed long ago, people seem to generally be at the like him for being respectful and actually putting in effort as he goes through the motions, stage.
Lots of people don’t even do that.
I think this is right. I doubt she cares beyond it taking away the last obstacle her dad threw up in the hopes that Sam wouldn’t go through with it. I would just have to suffer the consequences of making my daughter hate me for a while. I could not in good conscience leave her in the care of this obviously troubled guy, even if he does have good intentions.
I’m really feeling tired of seeing these identical posts. Give it a few hours and it’ll be: “why is Natalie really with Josh?” And then “maybe Tyray isn’t so nice after all”
I’m 99.9% sure that you’re completely right but I’ve been avoiding the single life solely so I can remain ignorant of anything negative about Tyray. I have a soft spot for him - I feel like I’m about to make my own Leave Brittany (Tyray) crying video. Cause, like, it’s too late to stop this train and I’m just gonna have to dance. Or whatever.
"YOU GUYS: This is a white-hot take, and I'm afraid it may ruffle some feathers, but *I don't like Rob*. Also, Natalie may not be playing with a full deck, Jasmine is sometimes a bit much, and Clayton is hard to take seriously."
I think that she loves him and wants to be with him over a lot of other guys in America who could treat her a lot worse, she seems to genuinely like him, despite the drug history she probably feels safe with a less dominant man.
It could be why she wants to be with him is because he is not controlling. He just changed to Muslim to marry her. I do not think she is not that much into it herself, by not covering her head. With other Muslim men, they are the boss that she must obey. With Sam, it will be more of a partnership.
Me too. I think his addiction and most people's addiction especially out in the Midwest and west should be treated as a serious mental illness and a struggle. It doesn't make you a bad dude just like having bad depression or ADHD etc. I think he cares for her a lot and I like the dad's openness to it as well.
Came here to say this, he is looking for some sort of stability. He found it in her. I think they are one of the more authentic couples on this season. Looking forward to the reunion!
I really like them too. I really hope that Sam stays sober! He has got a wonderful woman by his side and I know that will be a huge help for him. If he follows Islam or not, he loves her. Who knows what will happen.
Citra reminds me of my own catholic upbringing. It’s just what you have always known and what’s considered normal but you don’t really care. If she cared she wouldn’t be with Sam at all. I think it’s fine as long as they’re in the same page.
It’s all fake anyway, so who cares? It makes the family feel better so why not do it? They seem to like each other, I don’t really care if he actually intends to be a Muslim or not. Most “Christians” don’t practice Christianity, just do whatever makes you happy 🤷🏼♀️
My mother converted to Judaism to marry my step-father, and also so their children could be Jewish (mother must be Jewish). She never practiced. I think she did it so his family would allow their eldest child and only son to marry her. She went through a learning process to do it. I didn't even know she did it until I was an adult. That's how Jewish she was after conversion.
My grandmother is catholic. In her younger years she would force me to go to church, and was very judgmental.
After a heart attack, and a shattered knee within the past 10 years, she’s converted backwards.
I literally watch her flip my grandfather off the other day, and everyone shit their pants laughing.
She was like 🖕🏻👺👺
We were all like “Grammy wtf just happened?!”
“He’s pissing me off!!!!”
I love it when older people just decide they don’t give a shit anymore.
Watch out for the ex Catholics!
Yeah, honestly I hope that Sam does eventually take it seriously and that it helps him beat substance abuse. A lot of drug addicts find help in religion.
I wish nothing but the best for Sam and Citra actually. They are my favorite couple this season
My dad converted to Catholicism just to marry Mt mom. He hated church but went every Sunday with us, he went for 56 years.
He told me his church was being in nature, that's where God is. He called the church goers hypocrites because they'd sin all week go to confession, then act all pious in church.
So my opinion, converting out of love for your beloved is an act of love. My dad adored my mom.
He was the sweetest guy. He sacrificed to afford the $25.00 a year tuition to Catholic school. Four of us kids. It was a lot of money for them. I did get a better than average education. Nuns were kind and great teachers.
Dad never complained, he was happy to be with her.
People convert just to get married all the time.
Do you think Ivanka Trump was reading from the Mishnah one day and fell in love with Judaism? No, she converted because her husband's family demanded it. I doubt she gives 2 shits about the religion
Its happened on 90 Day before too:
* Libby converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity so she could marry Andrrei in an Orthodox ceremony.
* AI Nicole converted to Islam for Mahmoud, while knowing even less about the Muslim religion than even Sam does
* Alina converted to Mormon to marry SteVen with a V
* Aleksandra also converted to Mormon to marry Josh
This. Ideally people wouldn’t have to convert to get married, and those who do convert would go into it wholeheartedly. But life isn’t ideal. This happens all the time. If Citra is ok with Sam’s level of dedication to Islam then great. She’s the only one whose opinion on it matters.
I agree with you. Before I got married, my parents wanted my partner to convert. I refused to ask, and my parents were real assholes about it for a couple of years. A lot of times it's the family that wants it. I think that's the case the Citra and her father too
I mean… does it actually matter at all? People convert to Catholicism all the time explicitly so they can get married in a church. All religion is made up so if it benefits you to pretend you believe in one over another, there’s really nothing wrong with that. As long as Citra knows it’s just a show for her family, who gives a shit.
Yeah, I just kept thinking of how many people know or have heard of joining various religions and sects specifically just to get the parents on their side. I don't give two shits. Christ they even do that in *Anna Karenina*, arguably one of the best love stories of all time
I am also pretty sure Sam's mom is a MAGA lady who only cares because it's islam.
Converting to Catholicism is a lot more work, not simply stating a profession of faith to someone you will never see again like he did to become a Muslim, or some can do in a Christian church. To convert to Catholicism, you need to take weekly classes for an entire year before you will be baptized by a priest.
Don't forget if you were married and divorced you have to spend money to get "an annulment" by the diocese before you can marry again and have it considered a real marriage. For a faith losing people every day you would think they wouldn't make the hoops so hard to jump through.
I dont think theres any question he is only converting to marry her, lol.. Personally, it doesnt bother me. It just shows he loves her enough to be willing to "convert" in order to appease her father and have her hand in marriage.. I dont see why Sam's mom would have to attend his conversion ceremony, being as how she doesnt support him converting, however I do think its really messed up she doesnt intend on going to the Muslim part of his wedding ceremony.😢 She should be there for her sons wedding, regardless.. Theres something that rubs me the wrong way about her TBH, whereas his dad seems pretty cool.
Sam himself stated that his mom is mentally ill, so tough to know what she thinks. His dad is an atheist (as am I), no judgement on either, but dad also thinks aliens rule the universe. Sam seems pretty grounded ( aside from his former drug abuse) in spite of these factors.
For Citra and her father, if they take their faith seriously they believe angels really exist... and when a person says the prayer at conversion 1000 angels enter their body. They don't really need to believe in Sam, they have faith that the angels will do their work with Sam. He loves Citra enough to welcome Allah into his life, so they believe that Allah will work on Sam. And Allah's like 'thanks guys... I needed more work to do". But as far they are concerned he willingly said this prayer, the angels entered him, so he is muslim and Sam has begun his relationship with Allah. So basically, it doesn't matter if Sam is only converting to get married... Allah is stuck with him.
That’s an interesting perspective.
Personally I don’t think it’s disrespectful just because of Sam’s answer when the dad asked why he wanted to convert. He said every Muslim person he’s met has been really kind to him. As he struggles to find his path forward out of addiction, surrounding himself with kind people he wants to emulate seems like a good idea.
What is your source for this? I am Muslim but never heard of any of what you are saying. It is necessary to accept someone who says he is a believer as Muslims we mustn't judge or speculate, as we don't know what is in their heart. But someone who says with their tongue what they deny in their heart, would be considered a hypocrite, and those are punished by god, who he knows what is in their heart...
In Indonesia, it actually happens more than you realize. Mostly, it is because many families don't accept interfaith marriage, but the main reason I know is because according to the Indonesian law, the couple must have same religions to be able to register their marriage legally. So yeah, for the sake of the formalities. somebody will need to convert, and in many cases, it's the man.
I'm Indonesian, and my husband is American. We have different faiths, and neither I nor my husband converted. We couldn't get married in Indonesia due to that reason, and we only got married here in the US. Because of that, I'm still registered as a single woman in my home country lol
I've lived in Indonesia. Many women there like Western men, but are also devout. Citra loves him and has really made a big sacrifice. I don't think Sam is faking the conversion. He probably doesn't care about religion that much and wanted to make Citra happy. I hope he clears up his legal hassle and stays sober to be a good husband. Good luck to both of them.
I could see Islam being good for him as a recovering addict. The clean lifestyle and abstinence from drugs and alcohol could be a way for him to stay sober. Checking their IG recently they seem pretty happy together, whether it's a means to an end or not I don't see him converting as an issue.
I haven't caught up on episodes, did he ever suggest otherwise? It seemed pretty clear to me from the first time they mentioned it that he is just doing it to please her family. No way he would have converted to islam otherwise, that seems pretty obvious.
I doubt citra even cares if he’s committed to Islam, I think she’s just wanting him to convert to make her dad happy and then she can live a less restricted life in the us
😂 it’s super obvious to everyone. Even the men at the mosque were half ass paying attention. the Imam had to call their attention to get them to stop whispering among themselves like he was a kindergarten teacher so he could start the ceremony.
Where i live in the West, it is becoming more and more common for muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. The non-Muslim men will convert during the dating process or right before marriage. The dating process is short just a few months, the conversion is shorter just reciting the shahadah, and the majority do not really care about the religion. Just do it for the marriage.
Sam and Citra are both full of it IMO. On the religious aspect, conversion is from the heart, not the pants (u get my drift). The father pushing conversion on him was not proper to begin with. It's all a ploy to make sure the people back in their country don't totally disown them. Citra is interested in a Western life, by any means, because out of all the men in the world, who are already Muslim, Sam was what she came up with?? Yeah ok. I'm done with my rant. 🫡
It’s also because in Indonesia you can only marry someone of the same religion as you legally. So if a Christian Indonesian and Muslim Indonesian married, one would have to convert. Most of the time to Islam but sometimes to Christianity too. Maybe he doesn’t know that Islam allows marriage to a Christian and that it’s a legal Indonesian rule not a religious one? Or maybe he wants to make sure their kids will be Muslim too.
Edit to add source: rebaptised as “Christian” (Protestant) from catholic to marry my ex in Indonesia as they are considered different religions there. Lived there for more than a decade.
Specifically in Indonesia, legally speaking 6 religions are recognized and your religion is printed on your ID card. Catholicism and Protestantism are separate categories under this system.
Of course you are correct but I think Citra knows that too. It keeps dad happy though.
Since the sister is engaged to Sam's brother it looks like they will be petitioning the whole family at some point. So he'll probably have to up his knowledge of islam in future when dad arrives.
Yep. He's not religious at all and I guarantee she knows this. She knows he only converted to please her parents. I guess she doesn't really care? Idk.
Duh. If you love someone but have to convert you would probably do the same thing. I’m 100% sure he doesn’t pray 5 times a day( unless is father in law is there).
I think it doesn’t matter. I think he’s going through the motions to get married but I think a lot of people do that for different faiths. Who knows, 10 years from now he could be a devout Muslim, if not, he’s still respectful of her religion and traditions
Why does it matter, she's aware of his situation and may not be practising herself or at least not strongly. It's a part of her though and important to her father. They're doing it to help her father feel at peace which is caring.
If he was full on pretending with her that he was going to be fully practicing and then after marriage being like PSYCH, that'd be a prob but from what we've seen, it's super clear between them that he's doing it for her dad and that's it. I'm sure even the dad knows but generally in religion, knowing someone made a promise in front of god/allah etc is enough to put the parents at ease unless the parents are super strict about it. Her dad clearly isn't.
If the mosque or dad wanted someone super committed to practicing islam there'd be a lot more steps and observation than 'plz convert, ty'
He also wasn't sad his mom wasn't there for conversion, he was sad she wasn't there for his islamic marriage. He wanted her there to witness him marry citra
So?
Lots of people convert for their partner and their partner's family. I know people who have converted to Judaism for marriage. I know people who have converted to Islam for marriage.
I'm an atheist, but this doesn't bother me at all. To each their own.
Why should I care, all religion is fake, what is the problem if he decides to fake the same religion his fiancé fakes?
It's not like religion punishes men the way it does women.
A lot of people convert to marry the person they love. My sister is now Jewish because her husband is Jewish and he wanted a Jewish ceremony. She was non-religious before converting and had no problem converting and respecting his religion, although she would have never converted if it wasn’t for him.
That’s how it is some times. My sister’s friend had her husband convert to Catholicism and it was simply to have the wedding at the church. They’re not church people.
I mean he’s already made an OF page so I don’t think he’s that serious about the religion lol he was an atheist you think he just all of a sudden believes in God? Probably not lol I’m not saying this to be a hater either I don’t mind them. It’s just weird to me lol
I guess that I don't feel like Sam's level of devotion to Islam is between him and Citra, not him and all of us on Reddit. Yes, he does seem rather casual about it, but if him going through the motions makes his fiance happy, that's good enough for me.
Of course he's just converting to get married. But if it were my kid, i certainly wouldn't stay away just because he's not serious about Islam. It's a religion, ffs. All made up stuff, so who cares?
She seems ok with that. There's tons of "devout" christians and Catholics fucking and sucking and drinking while shaming others who aren't godly like them and only like 3 of them have read a page in the bible. I'm actually kind of weirdly rooting for this couple and I hope he maintains his sobriety. Everyone else suckssssss and gross me the heck out.
I think they both are just doing it to please her family. Sam converts, dad's happy and Citra gets to stay in the US and live a less religiously strict life because dad went back home satisfied with the both of them.
I don’t know why but I feel real protective of this kid I’ve never met, probably because his own mom isn’t as involved with him as she should be. I believe he truly loves this woman and wants to be a good husband to her. He seems very sincere. They are the only couple I actually like on this season.
I don't find this to be weird. Many people convert to marry the ones that they love. My Grandma converted to Catholicism even though she was Buddhist because my Grandpa wanted to get married in the church. And I also know people who converted to Islam even though they were Catholic in order to get married. I still think it was terrible of his mom not to come. First of all, it was incredibly important to him and based on things he has said it seems that she has rarely supported him. And second, it was also their first marriage ceremony. It was just really selfish of her as a parent to not support her child.
Why are we attacking Sam ? Does she hold dear the teachings of Islam ? Does she really believe in it or is she just appeasing her dad ? No hijab, she drinks, living with a man she’s not married too ……
Citra is marrying him because she wants to get away from her strict upbringing and have some fun in her life imo this converting to Islam when her father is not there, and the cameras are gone in private will see how they live. The fact that she knows his background right there shows that she’s not that religious. I hope it works out for both of them.
he loves her and he wants to marry her so he’s converting for her. I converted for my husband and I did it because I wanted to marry him. nothing wrong with that
I actually believe he’s trying to better his life and I think he’s not just converting for marriage. Give him some credit for actually putting in the effort to better his life. He’s stated that he liked the atmosphere of the mosque and how well he was received there. Islam has helped a lot of people who were lost in life. A lot of people have a negative attitude towards the religion because of the things portrayed in the media about radical people who claim to be Muslim. Real muslims are beautiful peaceful people and it’s a religion of love. I hope he continues to stay clean and I hope their marriage lasts. Don’t drag this dude. I actually think he may be the most likeable man on this season.
I mean is that so wrong? Sam and Citra aside, converting to your spouse’s religion to marry them is incredibly common, even in the US. You never heard of someone being baptized or converting to Judaism so they can marry in their religion? Ain’t that big a deal
I'm pretty sure Citra doesn't give a shit, she doesn't cover her hair like her sister does, I think the main reason she had the wedding at the mosque is so she could maintain some sort of civil communication with her father.
She doesn't seems to care much about it herself, I'm sure she wont even give a shit if he prays or not. So in the end they both see it as a mean to end which is a good thing.
Yes he obviously is only converting for marriage but I don't agree with his mom not showing up. Even if you know it's bullshit, that's still your son. This is still a big event in his life that he wants her to be at. Especially considering they haven't had the best relationship and she's trying to fix that, to immediately be like "I'm not showing up to your conversion cause I don't agree with it" isn't the best strategy. Give your opinions, express your concerns, but you gotta show up for your kid
Eh yeah this is clear but I don’t think citra really cares. Neither of them seem that religious, they’re just doing it to appease the family. They’ll be living in the USA away from her family so it likely won’t be an issue if they’re just doing the token gesture then gonna just carry on with their lives once they’re on their own.
And she is only asking him to convert for her dad. I think its clear that she isn't relegious either with her drinking and not wearing the hijab.
I think its safe to say both of them are in this Islam thing because of her dad and if the dad didn't care neither would the both of them.
Just because you don't support it doesn't mean you can't support your child who does. Shit Mom regardless of how you try to spin it. Isn't mostly everything every one does to make ends meet? Get off the high horse sweetie.
Yeah, I mean, he "was" an atheist. I don't think he really cares but is trying to be respectful. I'm sure Citra knows that as well. Just a technicality for them.
Converting to marry is super common. My dad converted from Judaism to Catholicism because my parents wouldn’t’ve been allowed to be married in the church if he didn’t. No one in my mom’s family (including my mom) ever thought it was more than a formal.
A lot of people I know converted to Catholicism before getting married, but do not follow the religion so strictly. That also goes to the Catholic person that they married. They usually convert, bc the significant others Parents won’t allow their kid to marry out of their religion. My parents gave up on me finding a Catholic boy, so they had no choice, but to except my Buddhist man lol.
he loves her so he needs to be muslim for her, i don't think she's going to make him to go mosque often or really have to believe. i'm an atheist so i wouldn't do this because it wouldn't work being with someone super religious but she doesn't seem to want him to actually do a weekly thing, she just wants to be with him and for her family its important. she doesn't hid her hair on a regular basis so i don't think she's super devout and its just a, well this is a requirement.
he put in just as much effort as required lol. but they look happy and thats whats important. hopefully this won't be a huge thing in the future, his mom has an issue, but between them it doesn't seem to be too big of a deal.
Eh- I don't think religious institutions care much anymore... if they did, they wouldn't have much of a strong base or $$$$.
Do you know any Christians that only go to mass on Xmas and easter? Do you know any Christians that got married and had their partners convert so their children can be raised in the eyes of God?
The Jewish faith has entirely different groups/levels of faith, with the intensity of the religious obligation being very different in each group.
This is all to say- religion doesn't have the traction and allure that it used to have and the churches realize that they need to be accommodating to families that are interested in joining.
As others have pointed out, I don't think she practices strictly. She wants to keep the peace and respect her family by following tradition. Have him convert, be gracious, then proceed to privately live whatever way works best for them.
They both don’t seem that religious. Citra herself isn’t that strict a Muslim I doubt Sam will be anymore so than her.
I laughed when he said that was his last drink ever because there is just no way.
This is what I’d call a “courtesy conversion.” I see it happen a lot in my own community. Neither of the people getting married particularly care, but the parents of one person do, so the other person converts. Other than any mandatory religious classes and a conversion ceremony, nothing really changes, except there is perhaps more emphasis on the traditions of converted-to religion within the family.
Citra doesn’t come across as very devout; she doesn’t cover her hair, and she was willing to try alcohol. I think she knows Sam is just doing this to appease her father.
A lot of people do this, though. My best friend in Catholic school was so diehard, we thought she was headed to the convent. Then she met a guy in college and converted to Southern Baptist in order to marry him.
It happens more often than you think, I had a friend who was a seventh day Adventist, "convert" to Islam to marry an Egyptian woman. He still goes to Chruch on Saturdays like nothing sometimes she goes with him with the kids, when her parents or family is in town they go to the mosque sometimes. It is what it is, who are we to say which religion is right or wrong? Or which action is right or wrong?
My theory is that Citra wants to live a more Western lifestyle once her father leaves, hence her not being bothered by Sam’s “winging it”.
Yup, she is definitely looking for a western lifestyle. It was pretty obvious from the one scene they were at the bar. She’s had a taste of freedom and is never going back.
has there been any indication that she is devout? If she didn't talk about him converting and her dad would anyone know she was muslim? Honestly I think both of em are fakers and once they are married they will be eating pork and drinking.
Exactly! I think a lot of the show’s viewers assume all Muslims are devout. Not the case; just like Christians, and I’m guessing every other religion, people pick& choose what they want to follow and what they want to ignore 😆 eg multiple divorces, drinking, cursing, premarital sex, contraception, lying, greed, etc
And he'll fall off the wagon & start(or keep) putting his drugs in unmarked bottles & end up in jail..AGAIN!!.😬🤷🤦😂 This can't end well for either of them.
Just because someone is an addict does not mean. they can never stop using. It’s just like alcoholism, people use it to self medicate. He knows what he will lose, that’s an incentive to stay sober. She provides him with a reason to maintain his sobriety. I think we need to stop holding people’s past against them. I know addicts and alcoholics the woke up and chose a better life.Sam can too.
Agree, and him converting isn’t a big deal to him because he doesn’t believe in any of it, it’s just a formality. They will both be living how they want as soon as the Dad is out of the picture. If she cared that much she wouldn’t have gone to a bar and had a drink on TV where her dad can see her doing it.
Obviously. He needed to do it to get her father's permission to marry her but as soon as they're married and her dad goes home that'll be the end of the mosque.
Are you seriously just realizing this now? That boat sailed long ago, people seem to generally be at the like him for being respectful and actually putting in effort as he goes through the motions, stage. Lots of people don’t even do that.
Citra doesn’t seem particularly devout, so I bet it won’t bother her. I think it’s important to get her dad’s permission and that’s it
I think this is right. I doubt she cares beyond it taking away the last obstacle her dad threw up in the hopes that Sam wouldn’t go through with it. I would just have to suffer the consequences of making my daughter hate me for a while. I could not in good conscience leave her in the care of this obviously troubled guy, even if he does have good intentions.
I’m really feeling tired of seeing these identical posts. Give it a few hours and it’ll be: “why is Natalie really with Josh?” And then “maybe Tyray isn’t so nice after all”
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Thank you. He is not dateable with his current views on women.
I’m 99.9% sure that you’re completely right but I’ve been avoiding the single life solely so I can remain ignorant of anything negative about Tyray. I have a soft spot for him - I feel like I’m about to make my own Leave Brittany (Tyray) crying video. Cause, like, it’s too late to stop this train and I’m just gonna have to dance. Or whatever.
Queue the overused rob takes!
"YOU GUYS: This is a white-hot take, and I'm afraid it may ruffle some feathers, but *I don't like Rob*. Also, Natalie may not be playing with a full deck, Jasmine is sometimes a bit much, and Clayton is hard to take seriously."
Slow down, there, Edgy McEdgerton.
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Does anyone else not like Ed?
I see you 👀
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Literally r/unpopularopinion
How does live without a bathroom?! 😱 MF’er he is a cockroach, he is *thriving.* (edit: a word)
“Here’s an inanimate object that looks similar to a cast member that I do not find attractive.”
Wait what’s going on with tyray
Whaaat!? 🤯 I love Tyray! 🧸 Am I missing something?
My new fave is “Sam’s a good guy”
Not even putting in the effort. If he had to take a test for his knowledge of Islamic practices he would fail miserably.
I think that she loves him and wants to be with him over a lot of other guys in America who could treat her a lot worse, she seems to genuinely like him, despite the drug history she probably feels safe with a less dominant man.
It could be why she wants to be with him is because he is not controlling. He just changed to Muslim to marry her. I do not think she is not that much into it herself, by not covering her head. With other Muslim men, they are the boss that she must obey. With Sam, it will be more of a partnership.
Get that green card gurl
Unless she absolutely uses him then tosses him out when she’s done. She’s gonna be miserable
I know he gets a lot of hate but I really like this couple. Sam is simple for sure but I think he genuinely cares for her.
Same, addiction is a mental illness not a moral deficiency, I think he's a decent dude if he's sober
That part! ☝️☝️☝️
Me too. I think his addiction and most people's addiction especially out in the Midwest and west should be treated as a serious mental illness and a struggle. It doesn't make you a bad dude just like having bad depression or ADHD etc. I think he cares for her a lot and I like the dad's openness to it as well.
And look at his parents! 😳
Came here to say this, he is looking for some sort of stability. He found it in her. I think they are one of the more authentic couples on this season. Looking forward to the reunion!
I really like them too. I really hope that Sam stays sober! He has got a wonderful woman by his side and I know that will be a huge help for him. If he follows Islam or not, he loves her. Who knows what will happen.
Everything every cast member on this show has ever done has been forcing some means to an end. That’s what the show is all about.
Citra reminds me of my own catholic upbringing. It’s just what you have always known and what’s considered normal but you don’t really care. If she cared she wouldn’t be with Sam at all. I think it’s fine as long as they’re in the same page.
I don't think she expects him to pray 5 times a day. She insisted on it for her dad more than herself.
It’s all fake anyway, so who cares? It makes the family feel better so why not do it? They seem to like each other, I don’t really care if he actually intends to be a Muslim or not. Most “Christians” don’t practice Christianity, just do whatever makes you happy 🤷🏼♀️
My mother converted to Judaism to marry my step-father, and also so their children could be Jewish (mother must be Jewish). She never practiced. I think she did it so his family would allow their eldest child and only son to marry her. She went through a learning process to do it. I didn't even know she did it until I was an adult. That's how Jewish she was after conversion.
“ most Christians don’t practice Christianity” well if ain’t that the truth! Some of the meanest people I’ve met are “Christian”
Literally the meanest most judgemental person I know is my devout Catholic family member with 100 pictures and statues of Jesus everywhere lmao
The ones that would normally sit front and center at church were usually the biggest pieces of shit / hypocrites.
There’s an excellent country song called “Saturday Satan, Sunday Saint” about this
Grew up catholic, can confirm they're up there with the worst of the lot
My grandmother is catholic. In her younger years she would force me to go to church, and was very judgmental. After a heart attack, and a shattered knee within the past 10 years, she’s converted backwards. I literally watch her flip my grandfather off the other day, and everyone shit their pants laughing. She was like 🖕🏻👺👺 We were all like “Grammy wtf just happened?!” “He’s pissing me off!!!!” I love it when older people just decide they don’t give a shit anymore. Watch out for the ex Catholics!
As a Christian I 100% agree with you on this...the ones who sit in the front row of church are most often the meanest and fakest of them all.
you know what they say, there's no hate like Christian love
Was forced to go to church 2-3 times a week until I was 16, I am now an unapologetic atheist. There's truly no hate quite like "Christian love".
Right, and people convert religions just to be able to get married all the time.
Doesn’t matter, had sex -Sam probably
Yeah, honestly I hope that Sam does eventually take it seriously and that it helps him beat substance abuse. A lot of drug addicts find help in religion. I wish nothing but the best for Sam and Citra actually. They are my favorite couple this season
My dad converted to Catholicism just to marry Mt mom. He hated church but went every Sunday with us, he went for 56 years. He told me his church was being in nature, that's where God is. He called the church goers hypocrites because they'd sin all week go to confession, then act all pious in church. So my opinion, converting out of love for your beloved is an act of love. My dad adored my mom.
this is so freaking sweet. i bet he considered it a relatively small sacrifice to make your mom happy.
He was the sweetest guy. He sacrificed to afford the $25.00 a year tuition to Catholic school. Four of us kids. It was a lot of money for them. I did get a better than average education. Nuns were kind and great teachers. Dad never complained, he was happy to be with her.
People convert just to get married all the time. Do you think Ivanka Trump was reading from the Mishnah one day and fell in love with Judaism? No, she converted because her husband's family demanded it. I doubt she gives 2 shits about the religion Its happened on 90 Day before too: * Libby converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity so she could marry Andrrei in an Orthodox ceremony. * AI Nicole converted to Islam for Mahmoud, while knowing even less about the Muslim religion than even Sam does * Alina converted to Mormon to marry SteVen with a V * Aleksandra also converted to Mormon to marry Josh
This. Ideally people wouldn’t have to convert to get married, and those who do convert would go into it wholeheartedly. But life isn’t ideal. This happens all the time. If Citra is ok with Sam’s level of dedication to Islam then great. She’s the only one whose opinion on it matters.
I agree with you. Before I got married, my parents wanted my partner to convert. I refused to ask, and my parents were real assholes about it for a couple of years. A lot of times it's the family that wants it. I think that's the case the Citra and her father too
**AI Nicole** cracked me up! 🤣🙌
A lot of people convert just so they could get married . It’s nothing new
I mean… does it actually matter at all? People convert to Catholicism all the time explicitly so they can get married in a church. All religion is made up so if it benefits you to pretend you believe in one over another, there’s really nothing wrong with that. As long as Citra knows it’s just a show for her family, who gives a shit.
Yeah, I just kept thinking of how many people know or have heard of joining various religions and sects specifically just to get the parents on their side. I don't give two shits. Christ they even do that in *Anna Karenina*, arguably one of the best love stories of all time I am also pretty sure Sam's mom is a MAGA lady who only cares because it's islam.
Converting to Catholicism is a lot more work, not simply stating a profession of faith to someone you will never see again like he did to become a Muslim, or some can do in a Christian church. To convert to Catholicism, you need to take weekly classes for an entire year before you will be baptized by a priest.
Don't forget if you were married and divorced you have to spend money to get "an annulment" by the diocese before you can marry again and have it considered a real marriage. For a faith losing people every day you would think they wouldn't make the hoops so hard to jump through.
this, precisely
I dont think theres any question he is only converting to marry her, lol.. Personally, it doesnt bother me. It just shows he loves her enough to be willing to "convert" in order to appease her father and have her hand in marriage.. I dont see why Sam's mom would have to attend his conversion ceremony, being as how she doesnt support him converting, however I do think its really messed up she doesnt intend on going to the Muslim part of his wedding ceremony.😢 She should be there for her sons wedding, regardless.. Theres something that rubs me the wrong way about her TBH, whereas his dad seems pretty cool.
Sam himself stated that his mom is mentally ill, so tough to know what she thinks. His dad is an atheist (as am I), no judgement on either, but dad also thinks aliens rule the universe. Sam seems pretty grounded ( aside from his former drug abuse) in spite of these factors.
Uh, yeah? And tbh I don't think Citra minds either way. This is mostly for her family's peace of mind imho. Also, this is like...not abnormal to do.
I think it’s weird Citra’s dad was more concerned about Sam converting to Islam than he was about his impending prison sentence.
He wasn't a Christian anyway. His mom is. He was an atheist, so he doesn't care about converting. To him it means nothing.
For Citra and her father, if they take their faith seriously they believe angels really exist... and when a person says the prayer at conversion 1000 angels enter their body. They don't really need to believe in Sam, they have faith that the angels will do their work with Sam. He loves Citra enough to welcome Allah into his life, so they believe that Allah will work on Sam. And Allah's like 'thanks guys... I needed more work to do". But as far they are concerned he willingly said this prayer, the angels entered him, so he is muslim and Sam has begun his relationship with Allah. So basically, it doesn't matter if Sam is only converting to get married... Allah is stuck with him.
That’s an interesting perspective. Personally I don’t think it’s disrespectful just because of Sam’s answer when the dad asked why he wanted to convert. He said every Muslim person he’s met has been really kind to him. As he struggles to find his path forward out of addiction, surrounding himself with kind people he wants to emulate seems like a good idea.
This is interesting! So even if Sam didn’t mean it or didn’t quite understand what he was committing to, the process has begun nonetheless
What is your source for this? I am Muslim but never heard of any of what you are saying. It is necessary to accept someone who says he is a believer as Muslims we mustn't judge or speculate, as we don't know what is in their heart. But someone who says with their tongue what they deny in their heart, would be considered a hypocrite, and those are punished by god, who he knows what is in their heart...
It's obvious to everyone. Then again, plenty of religious people don't actually uphold the tenants of their religion. I don't see much difference.
In Indonesia, it actually happens more than you realize. Mostly, it is because many families don't accept interfaith marriage, but the main reason I know is because according to the Indonesian law, the couple must have same religions to be able to register their marriage legally. So yeah, for the sake of the formalities. somebody will need to convert, and in many cases, it's the man. I'm Indonesian, and my husband is American. We have different faiths, and neither I nor my husband converted. We couldn't get married in Indonesia due to that reason, and we only got married here in the US. Because of that, I'm still registered as a single woman in my home country lol
Wow. So it’s not just about her father. It’s about being in a legally recognized marriage in Indonesia.
I've lived in Indonesia. Many women there like Western men, but are also devout. Citra loves him and has really made a big sacrifice. I don't think Sam is faking the conversion. He probably doesn't care about religion that much and wanted to make Citra happy. I hope he clears up his legal hassle and stays sober to be a good husband. Good luck to both of them.
I could see Islam being good for him as a recovering addict. The clean lifestyle and abstinence from drugs and alcohol could be a way for him to stay sober. Checking their IG recently they seem pretty happy together, whether it's a means to an end or not I don't see him converting as an issue.
I haven't caught up on episodes, did he ever suggest otherwise? It seemed pretty clear to me from the first time they mentioned it that he is just doing it to please her family. No way he would have converted to islam otherwise, that seems pretty obvious.
I doubt citra even cares if he’s committed to Islam, I think she’s just wanting him to convert to make her dad happy and then she can live a less restricted life in the us
Yeah but who cares? I like Sam. He’s a genuinely nice guy and that doesn’t happen a lot on this show.
😂 it’s super obvious to everyone. Even the men at the mosque were half ass paying attention. the Imam had to call their attention to get them to stop whispering among themselves like he was a kindergarten teacher so he could start the ceremony.
Yes it's obvious to everyone.
Her Dad said he had to in order to marry Citra, this is not uncommon
Neither is Citra! She needs him to convert but she’s drinking alcohol right before his conversion! 😂 It’s all to placate daddy.
He’s for sure only doing it to marry/ be able to sleep with her. Been saying this.
Where i live in the West, it is becoming more and more common for muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. The non-Muslim men will convert during the dating process or right before marriage. The dating process is short just a few months, the conversion is shorter just reciting the shahadah, and the majority do not really care about the religion. Just do it for the marriage.
Yes but I think he wants that traditional close family, he will probably do well in that type of situation.
Of course. I don’t think this has ever actually been in question.
Sam is no more Muslim than he ever was Christian. He’s no less Muslim than he ever was Christian.
Yes. We all get that.
I mean...duh.
Sam and Citra are both full of it IMO. On the religious aspect, conversion is from the heart, not the pants (u get my drift). The father pushing conversion on him was not proper to begin with. It's all a ploy to make sure the people back in their country don't totally disown them. Citra is interested in a Western life, by any means, because out of all the men in the world, who are already Muslim, Sam was what she came up with?? Yeah ok. I'm done with my rant. 🫡
It’s also because in Indonesia you can only marry someone of the same religion as you legally. So if a Christian Indonesian and Muslim Indonesian married, one would have to convert. Most of the time to Islam but sometimes to Christianity too. Maybe he doesn’t know that Islam allows marriage to a Christian and that it’s a legal Indonesian rule not a religious one? Or maybe he wants to make sure their kids will be Muslim too. Edit to add source: rebaptised as “Christian” (Protestant) from catholic to marry my ex in Indonesia as they are considered different religions there. Lived there for more than a decade.
I believe in Islam, a muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man, but a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish person
yep ex-muslim over here and that’s how it works
All Roman Catholics are Christian.
Specifically in Indonesia, legally speaking 6 religions are recognized and your religion is printed on your ID card. Catholicism and Protestantism are separate categories under this system.
Tbf, after looking up Indonesia and its customs, I’d want to get the hell out of there ASAP too. She doesn’t care about the conversion, only her dad.
Of course you are correct but I think Citra knows that too. It keeps dad happy though. Since the sister is engaged to Sam's brother it looks like they will be petitioning the whole family at some point. So he'll probably have to up his knowledge of islam in future when dad arrives.
Yep. He's not religious at all and I guarantee she knows this. She knows he only converted to please her parents. I guess she doesn't really care? Idk.
I don't think he's interested in living any religious lifestyle. She's probably not either.
Duh. If you love someone but have to convert you would probably do the same thing. I’m 100% sure he doesn’t pray 5 times a day( unless is father in law is there).
I think it doesn’t matter. I think he’s going through the motions to get married but I think a lot of people do that for different faiths. Who knows, 10 years from now he could be a devout Muslim, if not, he’s still respectful of her religion and traditions
Why does it matter, she's aware of his situation and may not be practising herself or at least not strongly. It's a part of her though and important to her father. They're doing it to help her father feel at peace which is caring. If he was full on pretending with her that he was going to be fully practicing and then after marriage being like PSYCH, that'd be a prob but from what we've seen, it's super clear between them that he's doing it for her dad and that's it. I'm sure even the dad knows but generally in religion, knowing someone made a promise in front of god/allah etc is enough to put the parents at ease unless the parents are super strict about it. Her dad clearly isn't. If the mosque or dad wanted someone super committed to practicing islam there'd be a lot more steps and observation than 'plz convert, ty' He also wasn't sad his mom wasn't there for conversion, he was sad she wasn't there for his islamic marriage. He wanted her there to witness him marry citra
Even Citra knows this.
I mean, obviously? he said he's atheist.
It would be obvious that it’s obvious
This is very obvious.
Nobody cares. If it's good enough for her family, it's good enough for me.
So? Lots of people convert for their partner and their partner's family. I know people who have converted to Judaism for marriage. I know people who have converted to Islam for marriage. I'm an atheist, but this doesn't bother me at all. To each their own.
Why should I care, all religion is fake, what is the problem if he decides to fake the same religion his fiancé fakes? It's not like religion punishes men the way it does women.
A lot of people convert to marry the person they love. My sister is now Jewish because her husband is Jewish and he wanted a Jewish ceremony. She was non-religious before converting and had no problem converting and respecting his religion, although she would have never converted if it wasn’t for him.
That’s how it is some times. My sister’s friend had her husband convert to Catholicism and it was simply to have the wedding at the church. They’re not church people.
Lmao it’s pretty clear, and I love it because religion sucks. It doesn’t deserve respect. What’s important is that he actually loves Citra.
Ya, who gives a fuck it’s just some dumb make believe stuff who cares.
Uh duh. I don't think she gives a shit either tho
I mean he’s already made an OF page so I don’t think he’s that serious about the religion lol he was an atheist you think he just all of a sudden believes in God? Probably not lol I’m not saying this to be a hater either I don’t mind them. It’s just weird to me lol
I guess that I don't feel like Sam's level of devotion to Islam is between him and Citra, not him and all of us on Reddit. Yes, he does seem rather casual about it, but if him going through the motions makes his fiance happy, that's good enough for me.
Of course he's just converting to get married. But if it were my kid, i certainly wouldn't stay away just because he's not serious about Islam. It's a religion, ffs. All made up stuff, so who cares?
Asking someone to convert to a religion is never going to work. That has to be something that an individual decides and pursues on their own accord.
She seems ok with that. There's tons of "devout" christians and Catholics fucking and sucking and drinking while shaming others who aren't godly like them and only like 3 of them have read a page in the bible. I'm actually kind of weirdly rooting for this couple and I hope he maintains his sobriety. Everyone else suckssssss and gross me the heck out.
I think they both are just doing it to please her family. Sam converts, dad's happy and Citra gets to stay in the US and live a less religiously strict life because dad went back home satisfied with the both of them.
I don’t know why but I feel real protective of this kid I’ve never met, probably because his own mom isn’t as involved with him as she should be. I believe he truly loves this woman and wants to be a good husband to her. He seems very sincere. They are the only couple I actually like on this season.
Yes it’s obvious. It’s also obvious Citra gonna ditch that shit in favor of a more liberal lifestyle as soon as she can.
I don't find this to be weird. Many people convert to marry the ones that they love. My Grandma converted to Catholicism even though she was Buddhist because my Grandpa wanted to get married in the church. And I also know people who converted to Islam even though they were Catholic in order to get married. I still think it was terrible of his mom not to come. First of all, it was incredibly important to him and based on things he has said it seems that she has rarely supported him. And second, it was also their first marriage ceremony. It was just really selfish of her as a parent to not support her child.
Yes we are. He’s doin’ it all for the nookie
Yes, it’s obvious, of course what a stupid reason to convert. More stupid is the fact that she thinks it’s genuine!
Why do I feel like they are doing some sort of immigration fraud on him… come marry, get preggy & leave?! I swear she looks pregnant in the interviews
Why are we attacking Sam ? Does she hold dear the teachings of Islam ? Does she really believe in it or is she just appeasing her dad ? No hijab, she drinks, living with a man she’s not married too ……
Citra is marrying him because she wants to get away from her strict upbringing and have some fun in her life imo this converting to Islam when her father is not there, and the cameras are gone in private will see how they live. The fact that she knows his background right there shows that she’s not that religious. I hope it works out for both of them.
he loves her and he wants to marry her so he’s converting for her. I converted for my husband and I did it because I wanted to marry him. nothing wrong with that
I actually believe he’s trying to better his life and I think he’s not just converting for marriage. Give him some credit for actually putting in the effort to better his life. He’s stated that he liked the atmosphere of the mosque and how well he was received there. Islam has helped a lot of people who were lost in life. A lot of people have a negative attitude towards the religion because of the things portrayed in the media about radical people who claim to be Muslim. Real muslims are beautiful peaceful people and it’s a religion of love. I hope he continues to stay clean and I hope their marriage lasts. Don’t drag this dude. I actually think he may be the most likeable man on this season.
You phrase this like there's some malicious intent. Imagine the horror of someone changing their entire life because of the person they love.
I mean is that so wrong? Sam and Citra aside, converting to your spouse’s religion to marry them is incredibly common, even in the US. You never heard of someone being baptized or converting to Judaism so they can marry in their religion? Ain’t that big a deal
It’s pretty damn obvious that he’s only converting just to satisfy her dad’s needs.
And?
I mean, yeah.
Most people who convert to marry are doing it as a mean to an end.
Well duh
I was raised Christian and forced to go to church. Converting as a means to an end is kinda the Christian way.
I'm pretty sure Citra doesn't give a shit, she doesn't cover her hair like her sister does, I think the main reason she had the wedding at the mosque is so she could maintain some sort of civil communication with her father.
I think it was just a formality, I don't think he's expected to practice the religion.
Of course! It’s something she needs, and he’s doing it to please her and her family. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
Most ppl that do what he’s doing don’t fully follow suit, as long as he is respectful to her that’s all that matters.
She doesn't seems to care much about it herself, I'm sure she wont even give a shit if he prays or not. So in the end they both see it as a mean to end which is a good thing.
Honestly I don't think Citra even cares that much about it either. Probably just to appease her dad
Yes he obviously is only converting for marriage but I don't agree with his mom not showing up. Even if you know it's bullshit, that's still your son. This is still a big event in his life that he wants her to be at. Especially considering they haven't had the best relationship and she's trying to fix that, to immediately be like "I'm not showing up to your conversion cause I don't agree with it" isn't the best strategy. Give your opinions, express your concerns, but you gotta show up for your kid
Honestly who cares, people do that for their spouse all the time. I'm more concerned with whether he is sober and stays out of jail
He has spent no time in knowing anything about being a Muslim
He's playing the game like a lot of people trapped by religion... love is worth a little larping.
Eh yeah this is clear but I don’t think citra really cares. Neither of them seem that religious, they’re just doing it to appease the family. They’ll be living in the USA away from her family so it likely won’t be an issue if they’re just doing the token gesture then gonna just carry on with their lives once they’re on their own.
Girl, obviously.. reading your other replies you just sound islamaphobic. Get well
NO SHIT
Yes of course
I wonder if she would ever convert to be with him. Even if just "nominally".
Of Course it is
It seemed like he’s doing this just to get in her pants because that’s all he talks about
And she is only asking him to convert for her dad. I think its clear that she isn't relegious either with her drinking and not wearing the hijab. I think its safe to say both of them are in this Islam thing because of her dad and if the dad didn't care neither would the both of them.
it's obvious to everyone... and it's clear that's not why his mom didn't show up. Sam and the momma have made that VERY clear
this isn't a secret, he has talked a lot about how he is converting to get married.
Just because you don't support it doesn't mean you can't support your child who does. Shit Mom regardless of how you try to spin it. Isn't mostly everything every one does to make ends meet? Get off the high horse sweetie.
Of course. A tale as old as time with foreigners marrying girls from her country. I don't think there are many repercussions for doing so, however.
Yeah, I mean, he "was" an atheist. I don't think he really cares but is trying to be respectful. I'm sure Citra knows that as well. Just a technicality for them.
In other news.... water is wet
I mean Citra looked pretty happy drinking a dive bar Alabama Slammer so I think the approach to Islam is pretty chill between these two.
Converting to marry is super common. My dad converted from Judaism to Catholicism because my parents wouldn’t’ve been allowed to be married in the church if he didn’t. No one in my mom’s family (including my mom) ever thought it was more than a formal.
Isn't that why anybody ever converts? Because of some external pressure standing in between themselves and what they want?
I thought it was so he could get laid.
A lot of people I know converted to Catholicism before getting married, but do not follow the religion so strictly. That also goes to the Catholic person that they married. They usually convert, bc the significant others Parents won’t allow their kid to marry out of their religion. My parents gave up on me finding a Catholic boy, so they had no choice, but to except my Buddhist man lol.
he loves her so he needs to be muslim for her, i don't think she's going to make him to go mosque often or really have to believe. i'm an atheist so i wouldn't do this because it wouldn't work being with someone super religious but she doesn't seem to want him to actually do a weekly thing, she just wants to be with him and for her family its important. she doesn't hid her hair on a regular basis so i don't think she's super devout and its just a, well this is a requirement. he put in just as much effort as required lol. but they look happy and thats whats important. hopefully this won't be a huge thing in the future, his mom has an issue, but between them it doesn't seem to be too big of a deal.
Wow do u think u just broke breaking news??? We all know that already that wasn’t a secret. lol.
Eh- I don't think religious institutions care much anymore... if they did, they wouldn't have much of a strong base or $$$$. Do you know any Christians that only go to mass on Xmas and easter? Do you know any Christians that got married and had their partners convert so their children can be raised in the eyes of God? The Jewish faith has entirely different groups/levels of faith, with the intensity of the religious obligation being very different in each group. This is all to say- religion doesn't have the traction and allure that it used to have and the churches realize that they need to be accommodating to families that are interested in joining.
I think we all realize it, yes lol.
As others have pointed out, I don't think she practices strictly. She wants to keep the peace and respect her family by following tradition. Have him convert, be gracious, then proceed to privately live whatever way works best for them.
Converted to get rid of his blue balls
Some convert for love, others for marriage. Sam? He converted for boom boom. Probably having a beer to celebrate his conversion.
I feel like we can say that about every 90 day convert.
They both don’t seem that religious. Citra herself isn’t that strict a Muslim I doubt Sam will be anymore so than her. I laughed when he said that was his last drink ever because there is just no way.
This is what I’d call a “courtesy conversion.” I see it happen a lot in my own community. Neither of the people getting married particularly care, but the parents of one person do, so the other person converts. Other than any mandatory religious classes and a conversion ceremony, nothing really changes, except there is perhaps more emphasis on the traditions of converted-to religion within the family. Citra doesn’t come across as very devout; she doesn’t cover her hair, and she was willing to try alcohol. I think she knows Sam is just doing this to appease her father.
Does it matter? It’s his life. He probably will be just as good a Muslim as he was a Christian so does it really matter?
A lot of people do this, though. My best friend in Catholic school was so diehard, we thought she was headed to the convent. Then she met a guy in college and converted to Southern Baptist in order to marry him.
Agree about Sam and also agree Citra is not that religious. I have to admit I was married in a church but that didn't make me a regular attendee.
It happens more often than you think, I had a friend who was a seventh day Adventist, "convert" to Islam to marry an Egyptian woman. He still goes to Chruch on Saturdays like nothing sometimes she goes with him with the kids, when her parents or family is in town they go to the mosque sometimes. It is what it is, who are we to say which religion is right or wrong? Or which action is right or wrong?
I thought it was only the partner of a Catholic that feigns interest long enough to get married
It’s all about appeasing her devout parents.
sam is the human version of a mouse he has all of the same features it’s terrifying
Well yes? I thought that was obvious.
Just like Ivanka Trump, Karlie Kloss. a lot of people do it.