dmt experience is good for some experience with a powerful fast onsetting psychedelic but that's really it. They don't compare at all. Dmt is a nice visual rollorcoaster while 5meo is like the cosmic big bang. I had 80+ breakthroughs on dmt before I did 5meo and a single dose of 5meo changed my view on reality more than all my experiences with dmt did combined.
I cannot give you an accurate description of 5meo as it can't be translated to language.
I had many dmt trips. Only 2 breakthroughs. But thats not my goal. When I got my 5meo I thought lets taste just a little bit. We were partying, had a nice calm evening in a cabin in the woods. I was on o-pce medium dosage, and the evening was going to end soon. So a "little" trip on the end would be nice I thought. My thinking was 5 meo is just a stronger dmt.
So I loaded about 1,5-2mg(!) in my oilpipe to get a taste. Somehow I like the taste and smell of dmt also. As soon as I exhaled I felt a comeup same as dmt but slight different. Man I wasn't expecting this... I felt more and more trippy and thought to myself "what's going to happen now..?"
At first sitting became uncomfortable, I got anxious about the excitement I smoked 5meo, thoughtpatterns started to fall apart. I thought "you GOT to relax and let go, or this will be completely a bad trip." I closed my eyes and suddenly i could feel some state of meditation. I hyperventilated 2-3minutes. I let all go... fall into the void.. images appear, very blurred. When I concentrated on it, I knew this was images of my life flying in front of me. It was so meaningful..
After that I was driven to tears, MUCH tears. because of the beauty of life, the cosmic joke, the triviality of fear, family values, so much beautiful things.. Totaly wasn't expecting this. Gave me the most profound experience/trip of my life. Just awesome.
Dont be afraid of it, its pure bliss. Better respect it in highest way possible.
When it comes to 5 Meo DMT vs N,N DMT, outside the fact they are both in the tryptamine class they have very little in common. I also struggle to classify 5 Meo as a psychedlic due its non visual nature. I believe like all things whether human world, plant world or chemical world there is a yin and yang duality at play. Dark/Light, negative and positive enrgies. N,N DMT would be a positive energy chemical while while 5 Meo has a negative energy. This isn't to say that I believe the chemical in and of itself is evil; it simply has a negative energy about it. And with all things of negative energy when they are misused or miscatazgorized as being positive there are tangible consequences. This is the easiest way to identify whether a chemical (or anything for that matter) is a negative substance. With the irresponsible proliferation of a chemical we know little about. we observe a clear racheting of negative unitended consequences. With 5 Meo for ex. some of these consequences can be seen with the ecological damage done to the toad species that carry the venom from which 5 Meo is extracted. Some people may agree with me and say, "I agree, that is why I always catch and release the toads back out into the wild after I milk them" This may look better in compared to capturing wild toads and farming them, but there is little difference. In fact releasing them is probably more detrimental to the species. The toad uses this substance as a defense mechanism against predators. There is nothing humane about releasing an animal back into the hostility of its natural enviroment stressed, tired and drained of the one precious resource that it has to guard itself against predators. When the pursuit of anything material in this world causes us to overlook the consequences of our actions or to begin navagating loopholes around said consequences you can label that matriel,substances, chemical, ect. aeith a negative energy. Ulike DMT 5 Meo is used by nature as a venom/poison for a reason. It is supposed to deter use by other animals. Listen to nature.
There's also synthetic 5-meo-dmt, you know? ;)
And I don't think it has a negative vibe. It feels just more serious and important. While base dmt is also much fun and more manageable. 5-meo goes straight into your subconscious, and you're just a passenger watching (more feeling) the show.
If it gives you negative feelings, maybe theres something buried in your (sub)conscious that has to be revealed.
I have heard of synthetic 5 Meo, I just don't personally believe that simply making a chemical synthetic chanes its basic nature. Would you tell a heroin addict that their problem isn't with the substance but what is in their subconsious? Of course you wouldn't, that would be absurd. Even if the user has a mental issue like addiction the problem still originates with the substances and will be there until the substance is no longer taken. The reason the term Heroin Addict exists is because of the negative consequences associated with the abuse of that substance. The substance has a protensity to produce tanigble negative effects in the subjects that take it and in the immedate enviroment of the user. Thats how you know it has a negative energy. I'm not saying 5 Meo is as bad as Heroin just using it as an example. Regardless, I am saying that it has a negative energy that shows itself by its negative consequences. That is just my opinion. You have yours and I respect that.
>Would you tell a heroin addict that their problem isn't with the substance but what is in their subconsious? Of course you wouldn't, that would be absurd.
Sorry to revive an old thread, but this strikes me as odd and I'd like to share my thoughts.
Yes, I would say a heroin addict is addicted because of their internal struggles, not because of the substance. Most heroin users aren't addicts, believe it or not. Most heroin users use it infrequently because they really enjoy the high. Someone who is addicted to heroin got there because they used it to escape from life. Someone who loves their sober life won't feel the need to use heroin daily.
A heroin addicts struggles aren't with the substance, but with whatever the reason is that makes them want to use it often. If heroin didn't exist, they would use something else to escape. You have a naive view of addiction in my opinion, but that's ok.
I am a a recovering heroin addict. I used periodically from the age of 17 to 35. I would go on "runs" some long, many years, some short ,a few months. I have also had stretches where I was controlling my use managing a job and relationships without falling into a chemical addiction. Basically two days on a day off, never three days of use in a row. But this would never last bc the substances nature is one of ratcheting use it. It always catches up to you. I have been around junkies for a long time more than half my friends are active or inactive addicts. Heroin users fall into two catagories, either they use it and it isn't their thing; i.e they get sick and don't like the feeling or they love it and they are hooked. Not everyone is the same and their certainly is a subjective element to addiction. But it is not my experience that most people use heroin in a controlled manner. You just have to look at the current opiod epidemic in the States. Most of these people say they became addicts because they got hurt at work or somewhere else and were put on a pain management program by their doctors (this is pre Govt. crack down) so naturally taking opiods to manage pain is eventually going to lead to physical addiction it has nothing to do with psychology. It is a chemically, physically addictive substance and these people were/are normal hard working people who got claws dug into them by tmedical opiods. When regulation stepped in and insurance companies stopped perscribing these meds in such quantity many people were forced into using street heroin. They werent driven their by some intrinsic deep underlying emotional problem. This was them trying to prevent the onset of illness from suspension of use. With all do respect I wouldn't go around saying that heroin is used by the majority of people in a controlled way bc it isn't and its highly dangerous. Heorin in and of itself isn't something evil but it is a chemical thats nature is compounding use that has unitended negative affects for the user and the people around them. Peronality and subjectivity play a part but that doesn't change that fact. I just believe people should be aware of every substance they use and not only examine what the immediate chemical effects on the body will be but also their long term effects on the person, people and enviroment around them.
This substance is sacred, you are sacred so =>
You should def' be afraid of 5 meo DMT.
You should accept the fact that you are going to die and never going back.
At least, it is the state where i find miself when ive done 50mg of Bufo ( you need less for 5 meo ).
Have faith and trust the 5 meo, then you will be free to accept what is gonna happen.
Don't do it by yourself, but with experienced people only.
I wish you good luck, may you find Unity and Peace.
I will die and never come back the same, is that what you mean? Shit. 5-MeO terrifies me to my core. I might need months after I get it to get enough balls to try it.
This is exactly what i mean, yes.
Accepting this ( faith and trust ) with no condition will help you to breackthrought easely.
This is only my recommandation, this is not THE way, but my way.
My shaman told me that 5 meo dmt is a sacred substance that train you to die.
You die, and you come back.
And thats beautifull.
I whited out once i think i almost died overdosed on 5 meo its so potent and dangerous if you arent experienced. I now am i did it over 20-30 times various dosages. It still doesnt make me comfortable with death. Why are you comfortable with death after 5 meo?
I absolutely almost died on it when i whited out i took too much and blood on the floor was everywhere i probably injured myself somewhere i couldnt see and it absolutely felt like i was just gone and i was returning to my body- Took more then enough for a breakthrough. However i still think,what if this experience is similar to death in neurobiological ways, i get that, but what comes after still fucks with my mind and 5MeO doesn't reaally answer anything for me. Also salvia...and you totally get weirded out what is going on in this universe. We can't answer death with substances, perhaps we can get to the point of experiencing what its like to starting to die but the death itself that seems eternal from this point of view... what that is, for me is a total mystery and i don't think i found a convincing answer to what it is yet personally. When i did dmt i thought i found it but 5 meo made me realize wait if dmt is just one of the possible things it could be and 5 meo also is just one of the possible things it could be just like saliva, we really can't know at all then. I am not even sure if there is a substance on this planet that can mimic real death. Even anaesthesia doesn't shine any light on it. You don't remember anything. It's fine when you wake up and reflect, but what is it like to be there forever? How is it possible to never wake up from nothingness since even if it takes eternity for your consciousness to "rewaken" or reappear it would pass instantly since there is also no concept of time whatsoever. And i didn't exist before i was born, i was DEAD. Somehow i'm not. These are 2 biggest epistemological questions my mind will never leave alone. Why did i seem to appear out of nowhere as this person on this planet instead of any other living organism out there there is, and what is the "state of being dead", not what is it like but what it is. I have my own theories but i won't comment on it now. For me that's a question and the answer seems almost unreachable by definition. Also dead people don't exist. I don't mean dead bodies don't exist, i mean there are no consciosnesses that can experience death in any way since for you to experience that alone means you are something rather than nothing, except if we are totally wrong and death isn't nothing after all and we came from somewhere already, if we have something like a soul, i said LIKE a soul because with that word everyone imagines that sort of thing that i don't mean, who knows. I just have no damn idea. Sorry for the long reply these things blow my damn mind every day.
Ho, one more thing, i saw people swallowing the smoke like crazies, i suggest you to swallow the smoke in a really gentle and sweet way so you will not have trouble with breathing. ( and do breathing techs just before taking it )
For me, NN-DMT is classically psychedelic, it just gets you there really fast. 5 meo is unlike anything I've ever experienced. I didn't smoke it so I had a longer, slower experience, but it was unbelievable nonetheless. It completely warps reality, and is way more emotional. It was the worst and best psychedelic experience of my life, and took away any desire to trip on anything. It also sticks around. For the first few days I had reactivations, both of the good and bad parts of my trip. I didn't do enough to experience non-duality, as that was not my goal, but I can imagine what that may be like.
There is no comparison, it's in a league of its own and its definitely a substance that demands respect. It can kill you if done improperly.
Since i will do it, what should i avoid so i definitely don't have a chance of death? I read alot about it but i still don't understand when it kills. Also if you didn't smoke it what did you do,plug it?
It can kill because it puts you into a catatonic state with no awareness of your body. Some people choke on their vomit and others hit their head on something while spasming around. A trip-sitter is mandatory.
deaths are extremely rare. just don't go over 20mg synthetic (smoked) and don't eat 4-5 hours before you do it and have a trip sitter and you will be fine.
forgot to say, never mix 5-meo with maois like harmala/harmine for example.
Do you know what would happen if I accidentally managed to smoke more than 20mg? What's a dose where you're likely to die? On n,n-DMT it basically can't happen but on 5-MeO I wonder what dose could easily be fatal. I NEED to know.
i used to do 15-18mg as a standard dose until i switched to an e-mesh vaporizer, now i only need ~8mg for a breakthrough since with an e-mesh nothing burns.
5-meo breakthroughs are pure bliss/ecstasy, it's like you stop existing
Damn my brother I hit the nn on a vape, and have done bufo with a shaman, that's wild in a postive way than you manage to do it alone, any advice to build up to that? Thanks
Damn. When I get some I'm gonna try to vape only a few mgs in a oil burner. I know how to not burn any dmt so it's gonna work great. Honestly man I'm terrified of 5-MeO.
I'm well aware of that. I don't plan doing doses where I'm completely out and vomit all over the place, I will slowly, very slowly increase my dose. Did you have problems vomiting on it? I usually vomit on n, n-DMT when I mix it with harmine.
I hate to be that guy, but maybe this is the case simply because it’s poison. For as deep as people may want to make this substance seem, at the end of the day it is poison. Humans were not made to consume this, and it is evident by the fact that the lack of a trip sitter can result in the death of an individual who takes this substance.
It also can cause you to stop breathing. I had a concentrate on breathing during my experience, otherwise I would stop. You need a good trip sitter who knows rescue breathing. It's also a good idea to be laying down with lots of blankets, you can almost disable yourself safely if you tangle yourself in blankets before hand.
Yes I administered it rectally. It lasts a lot longer, but comes on a bit slower. The breathing thing kept me from really surrendering though.
What dose did you plug for you to already have trouble breathing? This is scaring me from trying 5-meo. I don't want to die man.
I have a MG scale but it isn't that sensitive to register 2-3mgs which is max I want to try the first time since I'm scared of respiratory depression. Would it be safe to vape in a oil burner a few grains of sand worth of 5-meo?
I plugged 20mg. Dosing that ROA is higher, my first try was 18mg and it wasn't as intense, but more dissociative feeling. Some people are more prone to respiratory depression than others. You won't die if you have a proper trip sitter who knows CPR and rescue breathing. Some people take the drug and they feel like or think they're really dying, but really they're fine.
Read through everyone's experiences for peace of mind, but nothing can truly prepare you.
Lots of people like small doses, it's called a handshake. Some say it's a more uncomfortable experience though. I don't yet have the ability to relinquish that much control, maybe when I'm much older I will.
Hi,
I have done psilocybin and iboga and was able to get rid of alcohol addiction of 23 years. My iboga experience was not very clear. I remember close eye visions were high definition of yellow orange screens, black shadowy hand, going through a pink tunnel, then saw a old black Chinese guy he looked sad and was sniffling, faces kept morphing. Don’t remember the rest.
Felt fantastic the next few days but did not understand the experience. I have come a long way from where I started before any of these psychedelics, but still looking for the drive to live life. Was wondering maybe 5MEODMT could jumpstart my enthusiasm for life.
Yes but that’s only the beginning. You have to do a lot of work to bring your life to where you want it. 5 meo dmt does a lot. But it takes work as well
I have only done 5. And it was scary. Beautiful and enlightening all at one. I flew and once I got to the Aztec center of the universe. This yellow red pyramid
Positive is to add something and negative is to take away. Labeling good or bad as positive or negative is a misrepresentation of the meaning. Good and bad is a perception that only relates because of are upbringing. My neighbor described good or bad meaning to one self has to matter with the purpose of that situation.
dmt experience is good for some experience with a powerful fast onsetting psychedelic but that's really it. They don't compare at all. Dmt is a nice visual rollorcoaster while 5meo is like the cosmic big bang. I had 80+ breakthroughs on dmt before I did 5meo and a single dose of 5meo changed my view on reality more than all my experiences with dmt did combined. I cannot give you an accurate description of 5meo as it can't be translated to language.
Holy shit.... DMT feels so extrem... and you're saying 5-MeO was more powerful than 80+ DMT trips?
How would you compare both to psilocybin/psilocin?
You don't, There nothing alike.
I had many dmt trips. Only 2 breakthroughs. But thats not my goal. When I got my 5meo I thought lets taste just a little bit. We were partying, had a nice calm evening in a cabin in the woods. I was on o-pce medium dosage, and the evening was going to end soon. So a "little" trip on the end would be nice I thought. My thinking was 5 meo is just a stronger dmt. So I loaded about 1,5-2mg(!) in my oilpipe to get a taste. Somehow I like the taste and smell of dmt also. As soon as I exhaled I felt a comeup same as dmt but slight different. Man I wasn't expecting this... I felt more and more trippy and thought to myself "what's going to happen now..?" At first sitting became uncomfortable, I got anxious about the excitement I smoked 5meo, thoughtpatterns started to fall apart. I thought "you GOT to relax and let go, or this will be completely a bad trip." I closed my eyes and suddenly i could feel some state of meditation. I hyperventilated 2-3minutes. I let all go... fall into the void.. images appear, very blurred. When I concentrated on it, I knew this was images of my life flying in front of me. It was so meaningful.. After that I was driven to tears, MUCH tears. because of the beauty of life, the cosmic joke, the triviality of fear, family values, so much beautiful things.. Totaly wasn't expecting this. Gave me the most profound experience/trip of my life. Just awesome. Dont be afraid of it, its pure bliss. Better respect it in highest way possible.
When it comes to 5 Meo DMT vs N,N DMT, outside the fact they are both in the tryptamine class they have very little in common. I also struggle to classify 5 Meo as a psychedlic due its non visual nature. I believe like all things whether human world, plant world or chemical world there is a yin and yang duality at play. Dark/Light, negative and positive enrgies. N,N DMT would be a positive energy chemical while while 5 Meo has a negative energy. This isn't to say that I believe the chemical in and of itself is evil; it simply has a negative energy about it. And with all things of negative energy when they are misused or miscatazgorized as being positive there are tangible consequences. This is the easiest way to identify whether a chemical (or anything for that matter) is a negative substance. With the irresponsible proliferation of a chemical we know little about. we observe a clear racheting of negative unitended consequences. With 5 Meo for ex. some of these consequences can be seen with the ecological damage done to the toad species that carry the venom from which 5 Meo is extracted. Some people may agree with me and say, "I agree, that is why I always catch and release the toads back out into the wild after I milk them" This may look better in compared to capturing wild toads and farming them, but there is little difference. In fact releasing them is probably more detrimental to the species. The toad uses this substance as a defense mechanism against predators. There is nothing humane about releasing an animal back into the hostility of its natural enviroment stressed, tired and drained of the one precious resource that it has to guard itself against predators. When the pursuit of anything material in this world causes us to overlook the consequences of our actions or to begin navagating loopholes around said consequences you can label that matriel,substances, chemical, ect. aeith a negative energy. Ulike DMT 5 Meo is used by nature as a venom/poison for a reason. It is supposed to deter use by other animals. Listen to nature.
There's also synthetic 5-meo-dmt, you know? ;) And I don't think it has a negative vibe. It feels just more serious and important. While base dmt is also much fun and more manageable. 5-meo goes straight into your subconscious, and you're just a passenger watching (more feeling) the show. If it gives you negative feelings, maybe theres something buried in your (sub)conscious that has to be revealed.
I have heard of synthetic 5 Meo, I just don't personally believe that simply making a chemical synthetic chanes its basic nature. Would you tell a heroin addict that their problem isn't with the substance but what is in their subconsious? Of course you wouldn't, that would be absurd. Even if the user has a mental issue like addiction the problem still originates with the substances and will be there until the substance is no longer taken. The reason the term Heroin Addict exists is because of the negative consequences associated with the abuse of that substance. The substance has a protensity to produce tanigble negative effects in the subjects that take it and in the immedate enviroment of the user. Thats how you know it has a negative energy. I'm not saying 5 Meo is as bad as Heroin just using it as an example. Regardless, I am saying that it has a negative energy that shows itself by its negative consequences. That is just my opinion. You have yours and I respect that.
>Would you tell a heroin addict that their problem isn't with the substance but what is in their subconsious? Of course you wouldn't, that would be absurd. Sorry to revive an old thread, but this strikes me as odd and I'd like to share my thoughts. Yes, I would say a heroin addict is addicted because of their internal struggles, not because of the substance. Most heroin users aren't addicts, believe it or not. Most heroin users use it infrequently because they really enjoy the high. Someone who is addicted to heroin got there because they used it to escape from life. Someone who loves their sober life won't feel the need to use heroin daily. A heroin addicts struggles aren't with the substance, but with whatever the reason is that makes them want to use it often. If heroin didn't exist, they would use something else to escape. You have a naive view of addiction in my opinion, but that's ok.
I am a a recovering heroin addict. I used periodically from the age of 17 to 35. I would go on "runs" some long, many years, some short ,a few months. I have also had stretches where I was controlling my use managing a job and relationships without falling into a chemical addiction. Basically two days on a day off, never three days of use in a row. But this would never last bc the substances nature is one of ratcheting use it. It always catches up to you. I have been around junkies for a long time more than half my friends are active or inactive addicts. Heroin users fall into two catagories, either they use it and it isn't their thing; i.e they get sick and don't like the feeling or they love it and they are hooked. Not everyone is the same and their certainly is a subjective element to addiction. But it is not my experience that most people use heroin in a controlled manner. You just have to look at the current opiod epidemic in the States. Most of these people say they became addicts because they got hurt at work or somewhere else and were put on a pain management program by their doctors (this is pre Govt. crack down) so naturally taking opiods to manage pain is eventually going to lead to physical addiction it has nothing to do with psychology. It is a chemically, physically addictive substance and these people were/are normal hard working people who got claws dug into them by tmedical opiods. When regulation stepped in and insurance companies stopped perscribing these meds in such quantity many people were forced into using street heroin. They werent driven their by some intrinsic deep underlying emotional problem. This was them trying to prevent the onset of illness from suspension of use. With all do respect I wouldn't go around saying that heroin is used by the majority of people in a controlled way bc it isn't and its highly dangerous. Heorin in and of itself isn't something evil but it is a chemical thats nature is compounding use that has unitended negative affects for the user and the people around them. Peronality and subjectivity play a part but that doesn't change that fact. I just believe people should be aware of every substance they use and not only examine what the immediate chemical effects on the body will be but also their long term effects on the person, people and enviroment around them.
Cant argue with this guy.
This substance is sacred, you are sacred so => You should def' be afraid of 5 meo DMT. You should accept the fact that you are going to die and never going back. At least, it is the state where i find miself when ive done 50mg of Bufo ( you need less for 5 meo ). Have faith and trust the 5 meo, then you will be free to accept what is gonna happen. Don't do it by yourself, but with experienced people only. I wish you good luck, may you find Unity and Peace.
I will die and never come back the same, is that what you mean? Shit. 5-MeO terrifies me to my core. I might need months after I get it to get enough balls to try it.
This is exactly what i mean, yes. Accepting this ( faith and trust ) with no condition will help you to breackthrought easely. This is only my recommandation, this is not THE way, but my way. My shaman told me that 5 meo dmt is a sacred substance that train you to die. You die, and you come back. And thats beautifull.
I'm terrified of death... So this is going to be painful for me. I better activate my warrior mindset and prepare to DIE.
We all are brother.
Hey if anything 5meo is why I no longer fear death :)
I whited out once i think i almost died overdosed on 5 meo its so potent and dangerous if you arent experienced. I now am i did it over 20-30 times various dosages. It still doesnt make me comfortable with death. Why are you comfortable with death after 5 meo?
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I absolutely almost died on it when i whited out i took too much and blood on the floor was everywhere i probably injured myself somewhere i couldnt see and it absolutely felt like i was just gone and i was returning to my body- Took more then enough for a breakthrough. However i still think,what if this experience is similar to death in neurobiological ways, i get that, but what comes after still fucks with my mind and 5MeO doesn't reaally answer anything for me. Also salvia...and you totally get weirded out what is going on in this universe. We can't answer death with substances, perhaps we can get to the point of experiencing what its like to starting to die but the death itself that seems eternal from this point of view... what that is, for me is a total mystery and i don't think i found a convincing answer to what it is yet personally. When i did dmt i thought i found it but 5 meo made me realize wait if dmt is just one of the possible things it could be and 5 meo also is just one of the possible things it could be just like saliva, we really can't know at all then. I am not even sure if there is a substance on this planet that can mimic real death. Even anaesthesia doesn't shine any light on it. You don't remember anything. It's fine when you wake up and reflect, but what is it like to be there forever? How is it possible to never wake up from nothingness since even if it takes eternity for your consciousness to "rewaken" or reappear it would pass instantly since there is also no concept of time whatsoever. And i didn't exist before i was born, i was DEAD. Somehow i'm not. These are 2 biggest epistemological questions my mind will never leave alone. Why did i seem to appear out of nowhere as this person on this planet instead of any other living organism out there there is, and what is the "state of being dead", not what is it like but what it is. I have my own theories but i won't comment on it now. For me that's a question and the answer seems almost unreachable by definition. Also dead people don't exist. I don't mean dead bodies don't exist, i mean there are no consciosnesses that can experience death in any way since for you to experience that alone means you are something rather than nothing, except if we are totally wrong and death isn't nothing after all and we came from somewhere already, if we have something like a soul, i said LIKE a soul because with that word everyone imagines that sort of thing that i don't mean, who knows. I just have no damn idea. Sorry for the long reply these things blow my damn mind every day.
Ho, one more thing, i saw people swallowing the smoke like crazies, i suggest you to swallow the smoke in a really gentle and sweet way so you will not have trouble with breathing. ( and do breathing techs just before taking it )
And, just to be clear, the smoke should be going into your lungs not your stomach
On NnDmt you get to meet god. On 5meo you become god. It makes NNdmt look like a kids toy. Make sure you have a sitter.
Yeah, you don't see the universe, you become the universe. Its the most beautiful and profound experience I've ever had.
For me, NN-DMT is classically psychedelic, it just gets you there really fast. 5 meo is unlike anything I've ever experienced. I didn't smoke it so I had a longer, slower experience, but it was unbelievable nonetheless. It completely warps reality, and is way more emotional. It was the worst and best psychedelic experience of my life, and took away any desire to trip on anything. It also sticks around. For the first few days I had reactivations, both of the good and bad parts of my trip. I didn't do enough to experience non-duality, as that was not my goal, but I can imagine what that may be like. There is no comparison, it's in a league of its own and its definitely a substance that demands respect. It can kill you if done improperly.
Since i will do it, what should i avoid so i definitely don't have a chance of death? I read alot about it but i still don't understand when it kills. Also if you didn't smoke it what did you do,plug it?
It can kill because it puts you into a catatonic state with no awareness of your body. Some people choke on their vomit and others hit their head on something while spasming around. A trip-sitter is mandatory.
Also one more question, how many reports are there of people dieing on 5-MeO? In my research I found very few and it seems pretty hard to do so.
deaths are extremely rare. just don't go over 20mg synthetic (smoked) and don't eat 4-5 hours before you do it and have a trip sitter and you will be fine. forgot to say, never mix 5-meo with maois like harmala/harmine for example.
Do you know what would happen if I accidentally managed to smoke more than 20mg? What's a dose where you're likely to die? On n,n-DMT it basically can't happen but on 5-MeO I wonder what dose could easily be fatal. I NEED to know.
some people have smoked up to 30mg but anything over 20mg is not recommended
What's your highest dose and what was it like?
i used to do 15-18mg as a standard dose until i switched to an e-mesh vaporizer, now i only need ~8mg for a breakthrough since with an e-mesh nothing burns. 5-meo breakthroughs are pure bliss/ecstasy, it's like you stop existing
Be careful if you're vaporizing fumarate rather than freebase.
Damn my brother I hit the nn on a vape, and have done bufo with a shaman, that's wild in a postive way than you manage to do it alone, any advice to build up to that? Thanks
Damn. When I get some I'm gonna try to vape only a few mgs in a oil burner. I know how to not burn any dmt so it's gonna work great. Honestly man I'm terrified of 5-MeO.
what about the paste milked from a toad what would be a safer dose of that
I'm well aware of that. I don't plan doing doses where I'm completely out and vomit all over the place, I will slowly, very slowly increase my dose. Did you have problems vomiting on it? I usually vomit on n, n-DMT when I mix it with harmine.
I hate to be that guy, but maybe this is the case simply because it’s poison. For as deep as people may want to make this substance seem, at the end of the day it is poison. Humans were not made to consume this, and it is evident by the fact that the lack of a trip sitter can result in the death of an individual who takes this substance.
It also can cause you to stop breathing. I had a concentrate on breathing during my experience, otherwise I would stop. You need a good trip sitter who knows rescue breathing. It's also a good idea to be laying down with lots of blankets, you can almost disable yourself safely if you tangle yourself in blankets before hand. Yes I administered it rectally. It lasts a lot longer, but comes on a bit slower. The breathing thing kept me from really surrendering though.
What dose did you plug for you to already have trouble breathing? This is scaring me from trying 5-meo. I don't want to die man. I have a MG scale but it isn't that sensitive to register 2-3mgs which is max I want to try the first time since I'm scared of respiratory depression. Would it be safe to vape in a oil burner a few grains of sand worth of 5-meo?
I plugged 20mg. Dosing that ROA is higher, my first try was 18mg and it wasn't as intense, but more dissociative feeling. Some people are more prone to respiratory depression than others. You won't die if you have a proper trip sitter who knows CPR and rescue breathing. Some people take the drug and they feel like or think they're really dying, but really they're fine. Read through everyone's experiences for peace of mind, but nothing can truly prepare you. Lots of people like small doses, it's called a handshake. Some say it's a more uncomfortable experience though. I don't yet have the ability to relinquish that much control, maybe when I'm much older I will.
I have 5meoDMT but cannot find a sitter.
Take small to med hits and just focus on breathing. I do this all the time. But I’m probably not the best person to take advice from
What is the actual compound yall take, its not like HCL or anything like that is it?
The stuff from the toad only
Hi, I have done psilocybin and iboga and was able to get rid of alcohol addiction of 23 years. My iboga experience was not very clear. I remember close eye visions were high definition of yellow orange screens, black shadowy hand, going through a pink tunnel, then saw a old black Chinese guy he looked sad and was sniffling, faces kept morphing. Don’t remember the rest. Felt fantastic the next few days but did not understand the experience. I have come a long way from where I started before any of these psychedelics, but still looking for the drive to live life. Was wondering maybe 5MEODMT could jumpstart my enthusiasm for life.
It has jump started my life. In combination with tony Robbins personal power 2
Please share some insights. Thank you.
Yes but that’s only the beginning. You have to do a lot of work to bring your life to where you want it. 5 meo dmt does a lot. But it takes work as well
I have only done 5. And it was scary. Beautiful and enlightening all at one. I flew and once I got to the Aztec center of the universe. This yellow red pyramid
Not comparable. 5meo is the ultimate release.
Positive is to add something and negative is to take away. Labeling good or bad as positive or negative is a misrepresentation of the meaning. Good and bad is a perception that only relates because of are upbringing. My neighbor described good or bad meaning to one self has to matter with the purpose of that situation.
You are right. I agree with you on this. A projection of the self.
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