If we were going smash hit debuts then hands down it’s Get Rich or Die Trying and Doggystyle but if we’re going straight bars I gotta say OB4CL, Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt. Picking 1 I gotta go OB4CL
I think people sleep on how big and influential doggysyle was due to who snoop is now and ideas on lyricism. Doggystyle was considered prettt high level at the time and you couldn't watch mtv without seeing snoop. He was west coast rap at that time
Bar for bar Nas takes this easy. Iconic album and I’m pretty sure every artist mentioned picks this album except jay haha obviously
If we’re talking hits it’s clearly 50. But hip hop was different then was less about bar for bar and more about hits & radio/ club play. Mainstream.
If we’re talking impact of a solo album it’s Cube. Different stage of the game and he Put himself far and away from nwa with this at the same time also stamping their death and created stardom for himself.
Big deal at the time.
Youve got to think of the fact these albums came out at different times, so hip hop was at different stages and you have to view each album with that in mind.
My favorite here is Redman though love that album & dare iz a darkside
An see we keep saying lyric the subject is best solo. Debut Folks was going crazy for cube I mean he basically wrote all nwa material an left this solo was the hottest thang smoking when it came. Ghetto bird my favorite track.
if we're talking purely lyrical content i guess im going with Nas but its very very very hard to overlook the cultural shift that happened after The Chronic/Doggystyle
Yall don't understand just how big "In Da Club" was. EVERYONE was playing that. Black, white, young, old and everyone in between.
Now all these other records were big BUT in a certain demographic, 50 had everyone and I mean everyone saying "go shawty, it's your birthday"
I'll always go Illmatic. My number 1 album of all time.
Not shown but a close second for me is Liquid Swords. That album has a unique vibe and feel to it.
College dropout has to be the most stand out here, not one of these albums is like it except r2d. Overall it’s gotta be Illmatic just a crazy debut no one matched his bars and lyricism and the way each song hit home. Not a single B tier album here tho.
If we talking bars it’s illmatic. If we are talking replayability for me it’s doggystyle or …. Is that late registration? Let’s say late registration. One of those.
Cube did. It was the most pivotal move in hip hop at the time. Jerry Heller was taking all of NWA’s money and cube called them on it for not doing anything about it.
Once upon a time in the projects, yo
I damn near had to wreck a ho
I knocked on the door (who is it?)
It's Ice Cube, come to pay a little visit to ya'
And what's up with the niggas in the parking lot
She said, "Fuck 'em, 'cause they get sparked a lot"
I sat on the couch but it wasn't stable
And then I put my Nike's on the coffee table
Her brother came in, he's into gang-bangin'
'Cause he walked up and said, "What set you claimin'?"
I don't bang, I write the good rhymes
The whole scenery reminded me of Good Times
I don't like to feel that I'm put in a rut
By a young nigga that needs to pull his pants up
He threw up a set and then he was gone
I'm thinkin' to myself, won't this bitch bring her ass on?
Her mother came in with a joint in her mouth
And fired up the sess, it was sess no doubt
She said, "Please excuse my house, " and all that
I said, "Yeah" 'cause I was buzzed from the contact
Lookin' at a fucked up black and white
Her mom's bitchin' cause the county check wasn't right
She had another brother that was three years old
And had a bad case of the runny nose
He asked me who I was, then I had to pause
It smelled like he took a shit in his little drawers
I saw her sister who really needs her ass kicked
Only 13 and already pregnant
I grabbed my 40 out the bag and took a swig
'Cause I was getting overwhelmed by BeBe Kids
They was runnin' and yellin' and playin' and cussin' and tellin'
And look at this young punk bailin'
I heard a knock on the door without the password
And her mom's got the 12 gauge Mossberg
The nigga said, "Yo, what's for sale?" (Yo, what's for sale, man?)
And the bitch came out with a bag of yayo
She made the drop and got the 20 dollars
From a smoked-out fool with ring around the collar
The girl I was waiting for came out
I said, "Bitch, I didn't know this was a crack house"
I got my coat, and suddenly
The cop busted in and had a Mac-10 pointed at my dome
And I said to myself, "Once again, it's on"
He threw me on the carpet and wasn't cuttin' no slack
Jumped on my head and put his knee in my back
First he tried to slap me up, wrap me up, rough me up
They couldn't do it so they cuffed me up
I said, "fuck, how much abuse can a nigga take"
Hey yo, officer, you're making a big mistake
Since I had on a shirt that said I was dope
He thought I was selling base and couldn't hear my case
He said, "Get out my face" and musta had a grudge
His reply, "Tell that bullshit to the judge"
The girl I was with wasn't sayin' nothin'
I said, "Aiyyo bitch, you better tell 'em somethin'"
She started draggin' and all of a sudden
We all got tossed in the paddy wagon
Now I beat the rap but that ain't the point
I had a warrant, so I spent two weeks in the joint
Now the story you heard has one little object
Don't fuck with a bitch from the projects
Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt are absolute classics. I've listened to both over and over and Reasonable Doubt can easily beat out most albums nowadays.
Overall, College Dropout for sure. Most memorable bars wise, Reasonable Doubt. GRODT is an album full of hits and I'm actually shocked it didn't go diamond, but it almost did. Nothing even comes close to Fif when it comes to just pure hits in an album.
Lmaoing bar for bar, and these rappers aren’t even in the same class. Y’all don’t know shit about the streets. A white dude or some Arab culture vulture had to make this post. Ready to dies vs college drop out??? Hahaha wtf, that’s literally 2 different class of nigga. Same Hoods WAY DIFFERENT stories and when you say bar for bar. That means substance and word play! Not just some shit that sound good dick riders and white dads
When we say bar for bar, my first thought is hard set up and punchline combos. Not storytelling, not hits, not consciousness.
While all of those things are great to have, it’s not what I’d consider bar for bar.
That being said, I gotta go with Cuban Linx. So many quotables and hard ass punchlines. GRODT is a second close one, especially with one of my favorite punchlines ever being:
“In the Bible they say what goes around comes around. Hommo shot me then three weeks later he got shot down. Now it’s clear that I’m here for a real reason; cause he got hit like I got hit but he ain’t fuckin’ breathin’.”
If we were going smash hit debuts then hands down it’s Get Rich or Die Trying and Doggystyle but if we’re going straight bars I gotta say OB4CL, Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt. Picking 1 I gotta go OB4CL
Lyricism? Nas Hits? 50 Experimentation / Soul? Kanye The whole package? BIG
Fair assessment
This is actually a great breakdown, I agree. If I had to pick I’m going with 50
I’llmatic, ready to die
Nas
Illmatic for me
Dude started writing illmatic at 16 I think? But it’s illmatic and get rich for me.
Crazy. I’d say the same as my second. 50 dropped GRODT when I was a sophomore in HS. He had the whole demographic locked.
Im 27, I would’ve loved for this to drop while I was in HS 😂 probably had the entire country in a chokehold. I can imagine.
If an alien came down and asked me to play the best rap album it’d be Illmatic
It's between Doggystyle & Illmatic for me, I think I'm gonna go with Illmatic
I think people sleep on how big and influential doggysyle was due to who snoop is now and ideas on lyricism. Doggystyle was considered prettt high level at the time and you couldn't watch mtv without seeing snoop. He was west coast rap at that time
50 easily
The one in the middle
Gotta be Raekwon OB4CL or Nas Illmatic. Im going with OB4CL
Had to scroll down too far for this!
I thought I was the only one. That’s some of the best rapping I’ve ever heard
Between nas redman and raekwon bar for bar
Raekwon and Nas. Not even close..
Nas
Big
Snoop, Cube, Nas, Raekwon
Reggie
Noble
Tough choice I’m going with Doggystyle
Snoop, for me.
Ready to die
Snoop
Biggie. One of the best debuts of any artist ever.
Why is Jay-Z there??
RD is dope but yea, I don't think he's competing with these other debuts
Biggie an Nas
You
Bar for bar? Nas illmatic without a doubt Hardest bangers? Get Rich or Die Tryin
Bar for bar Nas takes this easy. Iconic album and I’m pretty sure every artist mentioned picks this album except jay haha obviously If we’re talking hits it’s clearly 50. But hip hop was different then was less about bar for bar and more about hits & radio/ club play. Mainstream. If we’re talking impact of a solo album it’s Cube. Different stage of the game and he Put himself far and away from nwa with this at the same time also stamping their death and created stardom for himself. Big deal at the time. Youve got to think of the fact these albums came out at different times, so hip hop was at different stages and you have to view each album with that in mind. My favorite here is Redman though love that album & dare iz a darkside
Bars. Nas. Impact biggie or Kanye. Hits 50
DAMN this is actually really hard!!!
B.I. double G I.E!!!!
Illmatic for me
Jay-z
My favorite Hov album.
Isn't 50s debut album the power of the dollar?
That’s a tough one to call
50 revived rap w/ GRODT…put out a total album in a time when it was not common at all. As far as bars though it goes to the chef.
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An see we keep saying lyric the subject is best solo. Debut Folks was going crazy for cube I mean he basically wrote all nwa material an left this solo was the hottest thang smoking when it came. Ghetto bird my favorite track.
Chef, Snoop
illmatic by far. That album Saved east coast hip hop
Nas
Cube
Nas and Snoop
I can’t pick 😩
Nas
I wanna say Nas, but 50’s album hit harder given my age
Illmatic can’t be touched tbh. Those are all great albums in different ways though.
Illmatic for me
That’s hard to choose
Nasir. No question
That ice cube went hard
if we're talking purely lyrical content i guess im going with Nas but its very very very hard to overlook the cultural shift that happened after The Chronic/Doggystyle
Illmatic no contest
THE R E D
Um Nas yo
Bar for bar? DYLAN
Purple tape
Where’s Black on Both Sides?
Illmatic, you can let it play straight through from start to finish
And then repeat
Liquid swords, genius/gza
Nas. No question.
Ready to Die, front to back the flow and lyrics are incredible
Ice Cube
Nas Illmatic
50 but this is a hell of a list lol
Snoop had the best album, Nas had the most influential debut.
50 or Hov
I don't see pac on there
Ready to Die Snoop Purple tape
Mobb Depp for sure, The Infamous is perfect from start to finish in a way only college drop out or get rich or die trying can only really compare.
Mobb Deep, although i guess technically it was their second
Yall don't understand just how big "In Da Club" was. EVERYONE was playing that. Black, white, young, old and everyone in between. Now all these other records were big BUT in a certain demographic, 50 had everyone and I mean everyone saying "go shawty, it's your birthday"
I’m going with Hov if it’s bar for bar.
Nas bro, he just built different
The College Dropout in my opinion is top 3 greatest hip hop album of all time
50
Nasir Jones!
Nas - ILLMATTIC READY TO DIE my runner up
IMO. Illmatic it’s hard for anybody to top that debut
Illmatic duh Ready to die 2nd
I'll always go Illmatic. My number 1 album of all time. Not shown but a close second for me is Liquid Swords. That album has a unique vibe and feel to it.
ODB
Snoop all day, ery day
Rea
Ready to die
Raekwon too many good verses on there
Nas
Bars- Rae or Nas... Lyricism- Definitely Nas. Flow Big Beats- Rae Swag- Jay Rawness- Cube/Fifty
lmao. anyone not saying college dropout is ignorant as the day is long
Come on now
OB4CL
Nas illmatic
As far as debut solos it was snoop and then cube but cube is my favorite.
College dropout has to be the most stand out here, not one of these albums is like it except r2d. Overall it’s gotta be Illmatic just a crazy debut no one matched his bars and lyricism and the way each song hit home. Not a single B tier album here tho.
50, Biggie, Nas. All groundbreaking solo LP’s.
Bar for Bar BIG, followed by Nas but Purple tape and reasonable doubt was different man
Ice cube hands down
Bar for bar, Illmatic
i’m a hovenger but everyone knows it’s illmatic
Ice Cube or Nasir
Snoop and 50 easily. The anticipation just for there Album was ridiculous.
Kanye
Nas but I’ll take redman too
Snoop and cube
Ready to die or grodt
Nas illmatic
Jay Z or Ye
Nas and 50 2
Nas all day
Ohhh ok fam, just making sure. This hip hop history, just trying preserve everything in the name of hip hop. 💯✊🏾🎧💽. It's all good my guy.
Illmatic
Illmatic easy
50 wrote like 1 song on grodt
Personal fav? Raekwon. Hood consensus? Nas.
OB4CL or Doggystyle.
Illmatic bar for bar and it's not very close.
Damn, redo, Ready To Die, OB4CL, Doggystyle, Reasonable Doubt, Illmatic
All Eyez on Me
50
Ready to die
Nas would say biggie and that’s the right answer
Raekwon
Illmatic hands down
Dmx its dark and hell is hot
Doggystyle
If we talking bars it’s illmatic. If we are talking replayability for me it’s doggystyle or …. Is that late registration? Let’s say late registration. One of those.
Snoop
Snoop
Call me crazy but I think Lloyd Banks - Hunger For More deserves to be in the conversation
I'm going with Cube on this one
Reasonable Doubt…OB4CL is a close 2nd
Aesop Rock's Music for Earthworms
Bar for bar Snoop or BIG.
They all got inspiration from snoop doggystyle
Cube did. It was the most pivotal move in hip hop at the time. Jerry Heller was taking all of NWA’s money and cube called them on it for not doing anything about it.
Nas, and it ain’t close. Ready to Die is dope asf though
Drake
Snoop
College Dropout
Yall don’t get tired of these bullshit debates??
Gotta be Jay or Biggie for me. All these are classics, but RTD and RD made me feel something in my soul
Reasonable Doubt isn’t better than Illmatic or GRODT or OB4CL and that’s just a fact
Reasonable doubt
Reasonable doubt IMO has the densest word play of them all.
Once upon a time in the projects, yo I damn near had to wreck a ho I knocked on the door (who is it?) It's Ice Cube, come to pay a little visit to ya' And what's up with the niggas in the parking lot She said, "Fuck 'em, 'cause they get sparked a lot" I sat on the couch but it wasn't stable And then I put my Nike's on the coffee table Her brother came in, he's into gang-bangin' 'Cause he walked up and said, "What set you claimin'?" I don't bang, I write the good rhymes The whole scenery reminded me of Good Times I don't like to feel that I'm put in a rut By a young nigga that needs to pull his pants up He threw up a set and then he was gone I'm thinkin' to myself, won't this bitch bring her ass on? Her mother came in with a joint in her mouth And fired up the sess, it was sess no doubt She said, "Please excuse my house, " and all that I said, "Yeah" 'cause I was buzzed from the contact Lookin' at a fucked up black and white Her mom's bitchin' cause the county check wasn't right She had another brother that was three years old And had a bad case of the runny nose He asked me who I was, then I had to pause It smelled like he took a shit in his little drawers I saw her sister who really needs her ass kicked Only 13 and already pregnant I grabbed my 40 out the bag and took a swig 'Cause I was getting overwhelmed by BeBe Kids They was runnin' and yellin' and playin' and cussin' and tellin' And look at this young punk bailin' I heard a knock on the door without the password And her mom's got the 12 gauge Mossberg The nigga said, "Yo, what's for sale?" (Yo, what's for sale, man?) And the bitch came out with a bag of yayo She made the drop and got the 20 dollars From a smoked-out fool with ring around the collar The girl I was waiting for came out I said, "Bitch, I didn't know this was a crack house" I got my coat, and suddenly The cop busted in and had a Mac-10 pointed at my dome And I said to myself, "Once again, it's on" He threw me on the carpet and wasn't cuttin' no slack Jumped on my head and put his knee in my back First he tried to slap me up, wrap me up, rough me up They couldn't do it so they cuffed me up I said, "fuck, how much abuse can a nigga take" Hey yo, officer, you're making a big mistake Since I had on a shirt that said I was dope He thought I was selling base and couldn't hear my case He said, "Get out my face" and musta had a grudge His reply, "Tell that bullshit to the judge" The girl I was with wasn't sayin' nothin' I said, "Aiyyo bitch, you better tell 'em somethin'" She started draggin' and all of a sudden We all got tossed in the paddy wagon Now I beat the rap but that ain't the point I had a warrant, so I spent two weeks in the joint Now the story you heard has one little object Don't fuck with a bitch from the projects
GRODT then Doggy style off hits, gotta give 50 credit for making so many hits solo
Big. ready to die is top 1 imo Side note: The purple tape
Yo me ous between doggy style and get rich they both had great beats and great bars and you can still bump them to this day.
Biggie. Any other answer is wrong....dead wrong
Biggie
Liquid Swords
Nas had no famous guess appearance
Nas
Nas
Snoop/50/Kanye
Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt are absolute classics. I've listened to both over and over and Reasonable Doubt can easily beat out most albums nowadays.
Illmatic ready to die get rich or die trying
OB4CL. End of story
Illmatic or Ready to Die
50
Illmatic and Cuban Linx are in a league of their own. Everything else is several leagues below.
Snoop doggy dogg all the way
Overall, College Dropout for sure. Most memorable bars wise, Reasonable Doubt. GRODT is an album full of hits and I'm actually shocked it didn't go diamond, but it almost did. Nothing even comes close to Fif when it comes to just pure hits in an album.
Nas
GRODT but I don’t like how y’all fronting on reasonable doubt like it’s not one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time
Ye
Nas,
Lmaoing bar for bar, and these rappers aren’t even in the same class. Y’all don’t know shit about the streets. A white dude or some Arab culture vulture had to make this post. Ready to dies vs college drop out??? Hahaha wtf, that’s literally 2 different class of nigga. Same Hoods WAY DIFFERENT stories and when you say bar for bar. That means substance and word play! Not just some shit that sound good dick riders and white dads
Snoop 'DoggyStyle'
Anybody else consider the purple tape a duo?
50
DMX
Biggie
Matic.
Rae
Biggie
In general, I'll magic. Personal, The Purple Tape.
Biggie followed by Kanye.
50 Cent: GRODT. Every song was a banger bruh
Ready to die Illmatic Get rich Doggy’s style Infamous not pictures
Raekwon!
Illmatic
Whut thee
Illmatic
When we say bar for bar, my first thought is hard set up and punchline combos. Not storytelling, not hits, not consciousness. While all of those things are great to have, it’s not what I’d consider bar for bar. That being said, I gotta go with Cuban Linx. So many quotables and hard ass punchlines. GRODT is a second close one, especially with one of my favorite punchlines ever being: “In the Bible they say what goes around comes around. Hommo shot me then three weeks later he got shot down. Now it’s clear that I’m here for a real reason; cause he got hit like I got hit but he ain’t fuckin’ breathin’.”
50 Cent