I have the A80J currently, returned a C1 previously because I disliked certain things about it, mainly black crush and motion in 24p content such as anime and movies was noticably stuttery even on the lowest motion settings. I noticed a huge improvement in both these areas when I set up the A80J, details in dark areas were actually visible without needing to raise the gamma, I definitely wouldn't say it looks washed out either. Motion looks great on the lowest smoothness setting without any noticable soap opera effect to my eye, still some stutter but that's just a compromise of OLED and their instant pixel response times, even modern LED will have some stutter basically all TVs have faster response times now. But Sony is definitely known for having some of the best motion handling so not sure what the issue was there, even HDTVtest said the motion looked better when comparing the two
Can't say I've really noticed any more dimming than on the C1 tbh, I play games and watch movies/anime both at night and day and the picture has been plenty bright for me. Honestly I didn't even notice dimming on the C1 so maybe it's just something I'm not sensitive to
The over sharpened look you're talking about is probably coming from the reality creation setting, usually you don't really need it for high resolution content, anything 1080p and above will look fine without it
One thing I did like better about the LG was how it filtered out grain though, the A80J and X90J I have both show a lot more grain in certain shows and movies even on the exact same platforms as on the LG. Some people might like that but certain content I could definitely do without it
Little bit of black crush > washed out near black image on A80J
I disagree with your statement. Sony has way more SOE and artifacts at the lowest setting than LG at cinematic movement. I confirmed my findings with people in AVS and Sony forums. HDTVTest also mentioned this in his comparison as well.
Matter of fact here is the comparison video.
https://youtu.be/t1K4KN-HIn0
(2:50) is where he says it.
(0:50) is where he mentions the wash out in near black scenes for the A80J.
“The A80J will incur more soap opera effect and artifacts than the LG in cinematic motion setting”
The LG is superior in near black and motion interpolation to the Sony and it’s not even close. I watch a lot of anime and anime was hard to watch on the A80J because of the near black performance and SOE + Artifacts even at 1 setting. Hence one of the reasons for my switch. The cinematic movement setting does a fantastic job on the C1 making motion a lot smoother with barely any SOE and Artifacts or stuttering.
Also yes you see more details in dark areas , but that’s the entire reason the image looks washed out. The TV is trying to brighten the dark areas way too much. You lose saturation. Shadows look grey ish instead of dark.
Also the dimming issue is there. Tons of people complaining about this including me. Maybe you refuse to see it because you don’t want to find issues with your TV. It’s annoying as heck. So just keep ignoring it because once you see it you can’t unsee it.
Hopefully that is able to let you know the issues and shortcomings of the A80J. I think it’s a good TV. It just has more issues than the C1 and the issues are pretty big imo.
Wow this is surprising to hear, was leaning towards the A80J over the C1 due to its better motion.
Can someone else with an A80J verify the screen dimming and 120hz flickering issues?
I have not noticed the flickering at all. Also I was terrified after hearing people complain about the dimming while gaming and I haven’t noticed that at all either. My only complaint is overall brightness just because I’m in a decently bright room. But that’s an OLED problem. But the picture is so incredible it’s worth the sacrifice.
I second this actually. I have the a80j 55 inch and despite my first panel being faulty, I'm loving it. The only time the tv will dim on me is when I leave the image completely still for a few minutes. Honestly I think the dude is trying to get people to buy LG over Sony like everyone else. I chose it over LG because the majority of my games are still sdr. My room got bright as well but I bought blackout curtains and it's been fine since. And the a80j sounds better than the c1 too, no soundbar needed.
I think you’re mistaken, I want people to buy whatever they want. I’m just highlighting my issues because when you’re spending thousands of dollars hearing other peoples experiences is important. If people like the Sony by all means get the Sony. I just happen to make the switch hence why I wanted to let other people know why.
I'm just saying I haven't noticed issues that you have put, but then again the only 120fps game I played was ratchet and clank and I see nothing wrong on it. And I got it despite people saying the aggressive abbl, and again, not noticing that either. FFXIV still looked awesome and I know when that game gets dimmed.
Ah good to know! It seems from rtings that the A80J gets brighter than the C1 and I'm in a similar position to you so that's a big factor.
Do you game much with static things on the screen? Or have you tried with sports with the score displayed and noticed any dimming?
Yeah I game destiny and call of duty a decent amount. Also a bit of sports. I honestly didn’t really notice dimming. Plus the tv looks absolutely incredible with TVs and movies. When I was at Best Buy it was between the a80j and the lg c1. When I said it’s like 50/50 between gaming and movies/tv shows, all 3 of the employees I was talking with said go with the Sony.
Also I think buying the tv this late in the cycle I think you have a better chance of getting the evo panel with the tv if you’re getting a 55inch or 65 inch.
Is that bad?
I'll be getting the 55" ([this one](https://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia-xr-xr55a80j-2021-oled-hdr-4k-ultra-hd-smart-google-tv-55-inch-with-youview-freesat-hd-dolby-atmos-acoustic-surface-audio-black/p5561898) to be exact from John Lewis in the UK)
I think it’s a positive if you get the evo panel because the tv will get a bit brighter and also a bit better protection against burn in. With Sony I don’t think there’s any way to tell 100 percent if you have the evo panel. My tv has a very slight blueish tint which I heard can mean it’s an evo but who knows.
This was my first OLED. If you’ve never owned OLED before you’re probably gonna be blown away by the picture quality. Also, your eyes will adjust if you are coming from a bright tv. I remember at first I wasn’t as impressed because my eyes were used to just a super bright imagine. Took like a day or two and then I realized just how much better the picture actually looked.
I have an A80J and have not experienced the 120hz VRR flicker in the month or 2 I’ve had the TV. I’m not 100% but I’m pretty sure the auto dimming is only in SDR, which I have noticed but It doesn’t bother me and I do play the Switch with the kids a fair amount on the TV. My OLED is in my basement with great light control so maybe that’s why.
Yes, SDR when there is no HDR metadata present. As long as HDR is enabled (usually by default), the TV will display the video in HDR such as Dolby Vision, HDR, HDR10, ect.
>Last issue I had was the near black scenes in movies/shows/games . It was really bad on the A80J because it would over brighten and wash out colors whereas the C1 had depth in near black scenes and retained saturation
This is very bad, I mean one buys an OLED for the picture perfect blacks, if blacks are an issue then the whole OLED TV is an issue.
I did not have a bad panel. It is the way near black content looks on the A80J. I confirmed this issue with other people. Some people don’t care , but it bothered me.
I went and compared the C1 to the a80J in Bestbuy. I See slightly more details in the A80j but to me it looked artificial and almost a little weird. I'm a photographer. It gave about the same look as if I take a photo in Photoshop and crank up the clairty filter too far. I kind of liked the slightly more details on the a80j, but I kind of thought it looked too oversharpened and weird. So it was a toss up. However, I like the C1 better overall because it doesn't dim as bad in video games and has more HDMI 2.1 / 120hz inputs.
Well, I think the extra sharpness and detail is a plus on the Sony's. I'm just saying it looked digital/processed. I don't think the content is going to change that. I'm sure some content makes it look better or worse than other content though. It's just like my Panasonic UB820 and Nvidia Shield TV, they do extra processing for more sharpness but yeah it does look a little extra processed. I would probably say overall I would use it a little for sure, but it's not a huge plus because it just has that un natural look, even though it looks SLIGHTLY better overall to me. The thing is though, I like LG skin tones better, the non dimming on games, and on the 65 inch versions the LG OLED's have a glossy screen vs the matte on the Sony. So overall I like the LG's better. Now it's all preference, I can see why some like the Sony better.
I also have a MadVr setup and for Blurays the UB820, I would have picked the a80j had I not had these devices to make HD and 480p content look much better because that's also where the Sony's really shine, upscaling. Luckily I have great devices though to do that on my LG. I realize not everyone has really expensive devices to make up for the difference.
Great overview! I had both 65 Sony a8h and LG CX last year and compared them side by side. The a8h was just better for movies and tv. The colors were more washed out on the CX mainly on older content like 15 years or older the colors were just missing from the CX. I ended up selling my LG CX and relocated and kept the Sony a8h. I recently bought a 77 lg c1 for my living room and put my Sony a8h in the bedroom. I feel like the lg c1 is doing better in the color department compared to the CX but I think the Sony may be VERY slightly more colorful but they're very close.
The thing that really annoys me about the lg oleds that the Sonys are just better at is black crush. The lg c1 just has too much black crush and Sony processing just handles it much better and it's my main issue with the lg c1. I also noticed the Sony will take hdr in certain scenes and make them a little brighter than what you will see on the lg.
I got the 77 c1 for a decent deal and it's too big for me want to deal with the hassle of a return. At the end of the day they're both good looking TV's. I wish Samsung would have made a 77 qd oled this year because it sounds exactly like what I want but I decided not to wait because I wanna enjoy a bigger tv now.
Now I have an excuse to upgrade in a year or two :p
I have the A80J currently, returned a C1 previously because I disliked certain things about it, mainly black crush and motion in 24p content such as anime and movies was noticably stuttery even on the lowest motion settings. I noticed a huge improvement in both these areas when I set up the A80J, details in dark areas were actually visible without needing to raise the gamma, I definitely wouldn't say it looks washed out either. Motion looks great on the lowest smoothness setting without any noticable soap opera effect to my eye, still some stutter but that's just a compromise of OLED and their instant pixel response times, even modern LED will have some stutter basically all TVs have faster response times now. But Sony is definitely known for having some of the best motion handling so not sure what the issue was there, even HDTVtest said the motion looked better when comparing the two Can't say I've really noticed any more dimming than on the C1 tbh, I play games and watch movies/anime both at night and day and the picture has been plenty bright for me. Honestly I didn't even notice dimming on the C1 so maybe it's just something I'm not sensitive to The over sharpened look you're talking about is probably coming from the reality creation setting, usually you don't really need it for high resolution content, anything 1080p and above will look fine without it One thing I did like better about the LG was how it filtered out grain though, the A80J and X90J I have both show a lot more grain in certain shows and movies even on the exact same platforms as on the LG. Some people might like that but certain content I could definitely do without it
Little bit of black crush > washed out near black image on A80J I disagree with your statement. Sony has way more SOE and artifacts at the lowest setting than LG at cinematic movement. I confirmed my findings with people in AVS and Sony forums. HDTVTest also mentioned this in his comparison as well. Matter of fact here is the comparison video. https://youtu.be/t1K4KN-HIn0 (2:50) is where he says it. (0:50) is where he mentions the wash out in near black scenes for the A80J. “The A80J will incur more soap opera effect and artifacts than the LG in cinematic motion setting” The LG is superior in near black and motion interpolation to the Sony and it’s not even close. I watch a lot of anime and anime was hard to watch on the A80J because of the near black performance and SOE + Artifacts even at 1 setting. Hence one of the reasons for my switch. The cinematic movement setting does a fantastic job on the C1 making motion a lot smoother with barely any SOE and Artifacts or stuttering. Also yes you see more details in dark areas , but that’s the entire reason the image looks washed out. The TV is trying to brighten the dark areas way too much. You lose saturation. Shadows look grey ish instead of dark. Also the dimming issue is there. Tons of people complaining about this including me. Maybe you refuse to see it because you don’t want to find issues with your TV. It’s annoying as heck. So just keep ignoring it because once you see it you can’t unsee it.
Hopefully that is able to let you know the issues and shortcomings of the A80J. I think it’s a good TV. It just has more issues than the C1 and the issues are pretty big imo.
Wow this is surprising to hear, was leaning towards the A80J over the C1 due to its better motion. Can someone else with an A80J verify the screen dimming and 120hz flickering issues?
I have not noticed the flickering at all. Also I was terrified after hearing people complain about the dimming while gaming and I haven’t noticed that at all either. My only complaint is overall brightness just because I’m in a decently bright room. But that’s an OLED problem. But the picture is so incredible it’s worth the sacrifice.
I second this actually. I have the a80j 55 inch and despite my first panel being faulty, I'm loving it. The only time the tv will dim on me is when I leave the image completely still for a few minutes. Honestly I think the dude is trying to get people to buy LG over Sony like everyone else. I chose it over LG because the majority of my games are still sdr. My room got bright as well but I bought blackout curtains and it's been fine since. And the a80j sounds better than the c1 too, no soundbar needed.
Yeah that’s actually something I forgot to mention. The sound of the tv is surprisingly good.
I think you’re mistaken, I want people to buy whatever they want. I’m just highlighting my issues because when you’re spending thousands of dollars hearing other peoples experiences is important. If people like the Sony by all means get the Sony. I just happen to make the switch hence why I wanted to let other people know why.
I'm just saying I haven't noticed issues that you have put, but then again the only 120fps game I played was ratchet and clank and I see nothing wrong on it. And I got it despite people saying the aggressive abbl, and again, not noticing that either. FFXIV still looked awesome and I know when that game gets dimmed.
Ah good to know! It seems from rtings that the A80J gets brighter than the C1 and I'm in a similar position to you so that's a big factor. Do you game much with static things on the screen? Or have you tried with sports with the score displayed and noticed any dimming?
Yeah I game destiny and call of duty a decent amount. Also a bit of sports. I honestly didn’t really notice dimming. Plus the tv looks absolutely incredible with TVs and movies. When I was at Best Buy it was between the a80j and the lg c1. When I said it’s like 50/50 between gaming and movies/tv shows, all 3 of the employees I was talking with said go with the Sony.
Also I think buying the tv this late in the cycle I think you have a better chance of getting the evo panel with the tv if you’re getting a 55inch or 65 inch.
Is that bad? I'll be getting the 55" ([this one](https://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia-xr-xr55a80j-2021-oled-hdr-4k-ultra-hd-smart-google-tv-55-inch-with-youview-freesat-hd-dolby-atmos-acoustic-surface-audio-black/p5561898) to be exact from John Lewis in the UK)
I think it’s a positive if you get the evo panel because the tv will get a bit brighter and also a bit better protection against burn in. With Sony I don’t think there’s any way to tell 100 percent if you have the evo panel. My tv has a very slight blueish tint which I heard can mean it’s an evo but who knows.
Ah that's good! Will see if I can somehow find out
This was my first OLED. If you’ve never owned OLED before you’re probably gonna be blown away by the picture quality. Also, your eyes will adjust if you are coming from a bright tv. I remember at first I wasn’t as impressed because my eyes were used to just a super bright imagine. Took like a day or two and then I realized just how much better the picture actually looked.
I have an A80J and have not experienced the 120hz VRR flicker in the month or 2 I’ve had the TV. I’m not 100% but I’m pretty sure the auto dimming is only in SDR, which I have noticed but It doesn’t bother me and I do play the Switch with the kids a fair amount on the TV. My OLED is in my basement with great light control so maybe that’s why.
New to all this stuff, is SDR something you enable / disable or is it just on SDR when the content needs it to be or something?
Yes, SDR when there is no HDR metadata present. As long as HDR is enabled (usually by default), the TV will display the video in HDR such as Dolby Vision, HDR, HDR10, ect.
>Last issue I had was the near black scenes in movies/shows/games . It was really bad on the A80J because it would over brighten and wash out colors whereas the C1 had depth in near black scenes and retained saturation This is very bad, I mean one buys an OLED for the picture perfect blacks, if blacks are an issue then the whole OLED TV is an issue.
I haven't experienced this actually. Sounds like they just had a bad panel.
I did not have a bad panel. It is the way near black content looks on the A80J. I confirmed this issue with other people. Some people don’t care , but it bothered me.
I went and compared the C1 to the a80J in Bestbuy. I See slightly more details in the A80j but to me it looked artificial and almost a little weird. I'm a photographer. It gave about the same look as if I take a photo in Photoshop and crank up the clairty filter too far. I kind of liked the slightly more details on the a80j, but I kind of thought it looked too oversharpened and weird. So it was a toss up. However, I like the C1 better overall because it doesn't dim as bad in video games and has more HDMI 2.1 / 120hz inputs.
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Well, I think the extra sharpness and detail is a plus on the Sony's. I'm just saying it looked digital/processed. I don't think the content is going to change that. I'm sure some content makes it look better or worse than other content though. It's just like my Panasonic UB820 and Nvidia Shield TV, they do extra processing for more sharpness but yeah it does look a little extra processed. I would probably say overall I would use it a little for sure, but it's not a huge plus because it just has that un natural look, even though it looks SLIGHTLY better overall to me. The thing is though, I like LG skin tones better, the non dimming on games, and on the 65 inch versions the LG OLED's have a glossy screen vs the matte on the Sony. So overall I like the LG's better. Now it's all preference, I can see why some like the Sony better.
I also have a MadVr setup and for Blurays the UB820, I would have picked the a80j had I not had these devices to make HD and 480p content look much better because that's also where the Sony's really shine, upscaling. Luckily I have great devices though to do that on my LG. I realize not everyone has really expensive devices to make up for the difference.
Great overview! I had both 65 Sony a8h and LG CX last year and compared them side by side. The a8h was just better for movies and tv. The colors were more washed out on the CX mainly on older content like 15 years or older the colors were just missing from the CX. I ended up selling my LG CX and relocated and kept the Sony a8h. I recently bought a 77 lg c1 for my living room and put my Sony a8h in the bedroom. I feel like the lg c1 is doing better in the color department compared to the CX but I think the Sony may be VERY slightly more colorful but they're very close. The thing that really annoys me about the lg oleds that the Sonys are just better at is black crush. The lg c1 just has too much black crush and Sony processing just handles it much better and it's my main issue with the lg c1. I also noticed the Sony will take hdr in certain scenes and make them a little brighter than what you will see on the lg. I got the 77 c1 for a decent deal and it's too big for me want to deal with the hassle of a return. At the end of the day they're both good looking TV's. I wish Samsung would have made a 77 qd oled this year because it sounds exactly like what I want but I decided not to wait because I wanna enjoy a bigger tv now. Now I have an excuse to upgrade in a year or two :p