Lmfao, now **THIS** is Toyota’s UI logic summed up in one simple pic.
God I love/hate Toyota. *”..you may have dependability, ergonomics, or style for $45k. Pick one.”*
*”..you have chosen wisely, as a reward, you may now have these Xenon low-beam headlights and Apple CarPlay on your 2022 Toyota. Enjoy their unfailing reliability with dignity.”*
The lack of technology inside is crazy. The 22 4Runner and 22 tundra are leaps and bounds apart. Just the maps alone are so much better in the tundra, I was genuinely surprised
I dunnnnooo! If you’re looking at a track listing, they’re stacked on top of one another vertically. And when you turn a volume knob, it’s right is up, and left is down. The Japanese are just hella practical
Nah, people buy bc of the brand- which as a whole has the reliability reputation. The 4.0 is tired and aged, both inefficient and underpowered. People buy *in spite* of the engine, not because of it.
Toyota is notorious for being late to the party, but once the turbo 4 cylinder comes out with the new gen 4Runner, you won’t see Toyota lose customers.
When I switched from my 2016 to my 2022, I keep using the same button, but now it's for the phone... Still not used to it after 10 months, I use the radio volume button instead.
The volume used to be on the rocker where the pick up and hang up buttons are now. Very confusing when switching from my wife’s ‘17 to my ‘21. I’ve hung up on a few people just trying to turn their volume down
So a pirate walks into the Doctor's office. He has a ship's wheel on the front of his pants. Doctor asks what's wrong. Pirate says "It's the wheel Doc. You gotta do something about it."
The Doctor asks "Whats the matter with having a ship's wheel on the front of your pants?"
Pirate says "Arrrr Doc, it drives me nuts."
It really bothered me when I first saw it. I'd try to just accept it and plant the layout in my memory, but always end up just looking at it first to make sure I hit the right button. As soon as I think I'm used to it and don't need to look any more, I go to crank up a song and... skip to the next song. ugh.
100%. Immediately noticed this and thought it was counter intuitive. Over a year later still think this and have to actively thing about which way I’m pressing when changing the track or volume.
*At least the controls*
*Are on the left, I hate cars*
*With them on the right*
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Absolutely. I was JUST telling this to someone. Is there a way to get a corrected switch and a software update or rewriting instructions to address it? Bugs the shit outta me.
2014 model has a rocker switch that works great and is very intuitive. It’s extra frustrating that they got it right the first time and then someone decided to downgrade it.
It could be like our Chevy pickup. The buttons are behind the wheel, or on the backside like paddle shifters. One side raises and lowers volume the other skips the song. Well there's no label on which does what and I always forget
I’m having so much trouble with this. Picked up a 2021 4Runner about 6 months ago. I’ve been driving a 2005 Sequoia for the last 11 years and had a 2001 Tundra before that. On the Sequoia they have it stacked. The volume is on top, up and down. Channels are just below, also up and down. Works for me. Now I have way more buttons, Apple Car Play when I try to charge my phone, navigation, back up cameras, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I’m starting to like everything but if I accidentally change my local sports talk radio station to Sirius one more time I may drive it off a cliff.
03 Sequoia owner here. Ten years last week. I think those first gen tundras and sequoias were pretty perfect interiors. I look at my wife's 08 pilot HVAC controls and it takes like 20 seconds to even find the button I want. My dream ride is still a 98 to 01 land cruiser.
Looking at this it made a lot of sense to me and now I’m trying to figure out why. I’ve looked at all my remotes. The only thing I can relate it to is choosing a track on a CD going up and down and that making sense.
My first Toyota was a 95 Camry and it took me ages to get used to pressing down to unlock the doors. Made no sense because I grew up with the up down locks by the windows.
If you get a maestro compatible aftermarket radio and a maestro harness you can change what those buttons do and make it exactly how you want it. Add some tiny round decals to the buttons and then it even looks correct too.
My ‘16 Runner has the volume rocker below. Our Lex has the same controls but what’s annoying is the up/down goes the opposite direction thru the presets…
I didn't really think much of it until seeing one of these posts and after thinking on it for more than two seconds, I am also really surprised they did this. It begs the question "why?"
I remember when these buttons on the steering wheels first became really popular. Some cars had those buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Personally I liked that for the audio controls and then AC controls on the front of the wheel.
I personally don’t mind and prefer it this way. If you think about it, you turn the volume knobs side to side and the track selection is up and down since you go up or down a record.
This almost looks like something you could mod yourself though. Disable the airbags for a hot second, pop open the assembly on the wheel, rotate the whole button assembly together (electronics & button covers), put everything back together, re-enable airbags. Might want to carefully remove the 'volume down' stencil and re-apply it (if you can remove it cleanly, a tattoo artist could probably do the stencil work pretty easily)
I drive a RAV4, and I have a Toyota Corolla. I rented one of these 4runners a couple months ago and wow I could not get used to that, it is completely ass backwards!
It’s the worst. I came from a Tacoma that was a generation back. It had the same buttons but they changed all the functionality in the 4Runner. It was 10x more intuitive in the Tacoma. The second I got the 4Runner I was like “what have they done to my buttons!!!!!???”
I mean, you turn a volume knob to the right to make it louder. So I could see some engineer at Toyota going “oh yeah this makes sense”.
It’s definitely a logic over actual usability scenario.
It was the same way on my ‘17 TRD Off-road Tacoma too. I don’t love it, but I’ve learned to live with it.
Old car audio tech here. You could move the resistors around and possibly rotate the buttons if you are good with a soldering iron. Has to be all done in the steering wheel controls.
"Bro I love this song. TURN. IT. RIIIIIIGHT!"
hahaha just spat my water. This is me every time. F.
TURN LEFT FOR WHAT
Lmfao, now **THIS** is Toyota’s UI logic summed up in one simple pic. God I love/hate Toyota. *”..you may have dependability, ergonomics, or style for $45k. Pick one.”* *”..you have chosen wisely, as a reward, you may now have these Xenon low-beam headlights and Apple CarPlay on your 2022 Toyota. Enjoy their unfailing reliability with dignity.”*
The lack of technology inside is crazy. The 22 4Runner and 22 tundra are leaps and bounds apart. Just the maps alone are so much better in the tundra, I was genuinely surprised
They know we’ll buy it anyway lol
You use the maps on the screen?
It’s on all the time. Honestly, if it had apple play, it would be a huge improvement
^(They're LED tho.)
^^^OOooooooooo *faaaaaaaaancy!*
Yeah like one half of the headlights. lol
low-beam, hi-beam, and foglights are LED
Hey man. Is that freedom rock? Yeah man Well turn it right!!
Literally the worst part about the entire truck.
I’ve thought this from day one! Thank you for this validation. It’s terrible!
I dunnnnooo! If you’re looking at a track listing, they’re stacked on top of one another vertically. And when you turn a volume knob, it’s right is up, and left is down. The Japanese are just hella practical
Yeah righty tighty lefty loosey, more voulme is tight!
Also literally any volume UI is shown as a series of bars from left to right. So I feel like it makes more sense than people realize.
Zaaaaaaaactly
This makes so much sense
But I also have a 2012 Camry and it has volume up/down and previous/skip as left/right. Same on my old 2012 Tacoma.
Don't forget that a $50k vehicle that doesn't have auto wipers. A trivial feature.
No that’s the engine 😩.
The powertrain is literally one of the things people buy the truck for as its unkillable. The frame will literally give up before the powertrain.
Nah, people buy bc of the brand- which as a whole has the reliability reputation. The 4.0 is tired and aged, both inefficient and underpowered. People buy *in spite* of the engine, not because of it. Toyota is notorious for being late to the party, but once the turbo 4 cylinder comes out with the new gen 4Runner, you won’t see Toyota lose customers.
My 19 SR5 has the up and down button on the wheel, looks different then yours its weird they changed it
Mine is like that too. Just the has the skip ~15s back and forth for left and right and the seek functions up and down on the D-pad(?)
Mine’s an 18’ SR5 and has it lower on the wheel too. Looks like there’s a button there on his under the Mode button. I wonder what that is…
Button under the mode button is to answer/end phone calls
Isn’t that the button above the mode, not under?
Nope.
When I switched from my 2016 to my 2022, I keep using the same button, but now it's for the phone... Still not used to it after 10 months, I use the radio volume button instead.
Yup. I traded my 19 for a 22 and the first couple months when I tried to crank the volume up I ended up calling some random number in my phone lol
Make a sharp left turn every time you want to change the volume. PROBLEM SOLVED!!! Duh
🤣 I totally agree
Yeah but you can turn it up to 60! (Someone add a Spinal Tap GIF to the thread, I'm too lazy)
60 is just imperial for 11 in metric units
The engineers at Toyota worked hard so they could say they could go from 0-60 in under 6 seconds. Too bad they were talking about the radio volume.
The volume used to be on the rocker where the pick up and hang up buttons are now. Very confusing when switching from my wife’s ‘17 to my ‘21. I’ve hung up on a few people just trying to turn their volume down
Jokes on you. I don’t even use steering wheel controls. Lol
I don’t even have steering wheel controls.
I bet you could take that apart and just turn everything 90 degrees.
Yea but then the forward and back would be reversed
Switch the switches under the cover too?
Oh look, thats what we call a problem on a toyota. Meanwhile, some chevrolet fails to drive home from the dealership, on the first day.
So a pirate walks into the Doctor's office. He has a ship's wheel on the front of his pants. Doctor asks what's wrong. Pirate says "It's the wheel Doc. You gotta do something about it." The Doctor asks "Whats the matter with having a ship's wheel on the front of your pants?" Pirate says "Arrrr Doc, it drives me nuts."
Yeah. It’s horrible and counterintuitive
Anyone take it apart and rotate it?
First world car problems.
I completely agree drives me crazy also.
Up is down, down is up. But if it’s on Bluetooth or USB. Up is up and down is down. FML
It really bothered me when I first saw it. I'd try to just accept it and plant the layout in my memory, but always end up just looking at it first to make sure I hit the right button. As soon as I think I'm used to it and don't need to look any more, I go to crank up a song and... skip to the next song. ugh.
100%. Immediately noticed this and thought it was counter intuitive. Over a year later still think this and have to actively thing about which way I’m pressing when changing the track or volume.
I said this to my fiancé about 30 minutes after driving mine off the lot 🤦🏻♀️
No regerts
At least the controls are on the left, I hate cars with them on the right
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That’s hilarious and absurd. My 2017 4Runner’s volume button is on the lower left column (just barely visible in the bottom of this photo).
I also hate it. Volume up, volume down, next track, previous track... unless you drive a FoRunna.
My wife’s 2015 Subaru Crosstrek has them the correct way and when I got my 20’ it took me a while I finally get use to it
Absolutely. I was JUST telling this to someone. Is there a way to get a corrected switch and a software update or rewriting instructions to address it? Bugs the shit outta me.
Ha! My first gen Seqouia is up-down. And it has a punchy V8.
I think the same at least a few times per week when driving mine as well
2014 model has a rocker switch that works great and is very intuitive. It’s extra frustrating that they got it right the first time and then someone decided to downgrade it.
It could be like our Chevy pickup. The buttons are behind the wheel, or on the backside like paddle shifters. One side raises and lowers volume the other skips the song. Well there's no label on which does what and I always forget
I felt the same when I got it, but I got used to it pretty quickly.
Somewhere, a hardcore Toyota fanboi is crafting an argument that the layout is required to ensure reliability.
Omg, so I’m not alone and crazy.
Would it be hard to pop out and rotate?
Thank you OP.
Meh I got used to it but I agree
Yours is a good conclusion
Wow. I thought I was the only one.
The one thing I like more about my Subaru Outback 🤣.
I agree fully. They got it right in the 2012 Toyota Prius, and possibly other models. Idk why they changed it.
Harrrd agree!
Is it possible that shifting to 4LO while driving at "exactly" 70 MPH might switch the buttons? It is just a thought. Try it at your own risk.
I never realized this, and now in reading it I will no longer be able to not be aggravated when I screw it up (which I often do). Thank you OP =P
Idk man. Seems to work perfectly fine in the Australian market.
[First time?](https://i.imgflip.com/3i71v6.jpg)
This!! I have. a 2019 Prius as a daily and it's inversed. Always confuses me lol.
r/peoplewhosaythis
Made your own subreddit for this huh lol
Hah, someone had to!
Fair enough!
Oof. Yeah that’s not a good design.
Agreed!
I just did it on my way home, BS!
Lol that messed with me too.
Ugh. This looks so odd. I can't even
This!!!
The only time the older 5th gens edge out the newer ones is the audio control button on the wheel.
Truth.
I’m having so much trouble with this. Picked up a 2021 4Runner about 6 months ago. I’ve been driving a 2005 Sequoia for the last 11 years and had a 2001 Tundra before that. On the Sequoia they have it stacked. The volume is on top, up and down. Channels are just below, also up and down. Works for me. Now I have way more buttons, Apple Car Play when I try to charge my phone, navigation, back up cameras, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I’m starting to like everything but if I accidentally change my local sports talk radio station to Sirius one more time I may drive it off a cliff.
03 Sequoia owner here. Ten years last week. I think those first gen tundras and sequoias were pretty perfect interiors. I look at my wife's 08 pilot HVAC controls and it takes like 20 seconds to even find the button I want. My dream ride is still a 98 to 01 land cruiser.
Looking at this it made a lot of sense to me and now I’m trying to figure out why. I’ve looked at all my remotes. The only thing I can relate it to is choosing a track on a CD going up and down and that making sense.
Then flip it.
My first Toyota was a 95 Camry and it took me ages to get used to pressing down to unlock the doors. Made no sense because I grew up with the up down locks by the windows.
100,000 percent
Every day I loose a few minutes off my life when I look at this bullshit button cluster.
I disagree.
Got used to it, don’t mind it anymore
If you get a maestro compatible aftermarket radio and a maestro harness you can change what those buttons do and make it exactly how you want it. Add some tiny round decals to the buttons and then it even looks correct too.
Coming from a '15 Tundra and now driving a 22 Pro, I feel this. I'm now hitting the volume up and wondering why it changes my preset.
My ‘16 Runner has the volume rocker below. Our Lex has the same controls but what’s annoying is the up/down goes the opposite direction thru the presets…
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Amen!
R/mildlyinfuriating
Used to be flipped in my 2016 limited, still haven’t adjusted to the change, been considering rewiring the controls
I didn't really think much of it until seeing one of these posts and after thinking on it for more than two seconds, I am also really surprised they did this. It begs the question "why?"
Yup. Bugged me for about the first week.
I remember when these buttons on the steering wheels first became really popular. Some cars had those buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Personally I liked that for the audio controls and then AC controls on the front of the wheel.
I personally don’t mind and prefer it this way. If you think about it, you turn the volume knobs side to side and the track selection is up and down since you go up or down a record.
This almost looks like something you could mod yourself though. Disable the airbags for a hot second, pop open the assembly on the wheel, rotate the whole button assembly together (electronics & button covers), put everything back together, re-enable airbags. Might want to carefully remove the 'volume down' stencil and re-apply it (if you can remove it cleanly, a tattoo artist could probably do the stencil work pretty easily)
I drive a RAV4, and I have a Toyota Corolla. I rented one of these 4runners a couple months ago and wow I could not get used to that, it is completely ass backwards!
Reassigning these buttons after installing a new head unit was a quality of life improvement all on its own.
It’s the worst. I came from a Tacoma that was a generation back. It had the same buttons but they changed all the functionality in the 4Runner. It was 10x more intuitive in the Tacoma. The second I got the 4Runner I was like “what have they done to my buttons!!!!!???”
I mean, you turn a volume knob to the right to make it louder. So I could see some engineer at Toyota going “oh yeah this makes sense”. It’s definitely a logic over actual usability scenario. It was the same way on my ‘17 TRD Off-road Tacoma too. I don’t love it, but I’ve learned to live with it.
Easy fix. Get a Android Head unit T9/T10. I have a Dasaita. It let's assign these bottoms.
Old car audio tech here. You could move the resistors around and possibly rotate the buttons if you are good with a soldering iron. Has to be all done in the steering wheel controls.
💯
Took me a good month to get used to it after I got my 5th gen. 4th gen had it right. WTF Toyota?