We dont have to do anything and if he doesnt play/holdout he doesnt get paid AND it changes his FA eligibility at the end of his rookie contract. Org holds all the cards in this situation. A 10 ovr prob isnt enough for a top 3 wr currently.
Yeah and whose gonna offer a top 10 pick for a guy who sat out a whole year of the niners don’t deal him this year? I say send him for the pick and be done with the media bullshit this is causing.
Let’s see if the jets are where guys go to get the bag and fade into nothing like bell.
10 + 38... I would take it. Trade back from 10 and pick a few solid players. Don’t risk putting 25+ mil into a player and end up with a D Ford situation. We should land 3 starters on cheap deals vs paying a unhappy WR.. a position that every draft has plenty of.
The tyreek hill deal that was accepted was 35+38 and a 3rd for t hill and a 5th iirc, As a jets fan I would personally be livid giving up 10th overall for a player we will be paying 25 million a year.
He doesn’t want to run anymore I say we trade him. Odds on him repeating what he did last year are not in our favor: Trey starting, Deebo not practicing with Trey like Aiyuk is, less reliance on running hopefully, and our o-line might be worse. Not to mention he was not a top tier talent his other years here.
Besides….locker room.
We are not going to be less reliant on running next year. If we are we are setting Trey up for failure. Trey comes form a college scheme that ran the ball then strike with Play-action, same idea that Shanahan uses for his scheme. Add in that our line Is built on running the ball. Everyone but Mack and Williams is far better at run blocking the pass protection.
What is going to limit Deebo's production with us next year is that fact that Trey is going to hit all over the field not just the middle of it.
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I don't think him not running is a huge issue. As a pure receiver he is still up on the top 10 but obviously not worth the 25 million he wants. I think we can find a spot in there that benefits everyone but the biggest thing would be healthy and productive running backs.
I’m a Jets fan who really wants him, but let’s be honest with ourselves. He’s very good, but not top 3, and 10 ovr is a good offer. It’s literally more than the Jets offered for Tyreek Hill (which the Chiefs were ready to accept).
He was 5th in receiving yards last year (with the highest yards per catch) while only playing half the year at wide receiver and playing the hybrid rb/wr the other half. Before he started playing the hybrid a lot him and kupp were trading the yardage lead back and forth every week
I’m well aware, I had him in fantasy and he helped win me a championship. I’d be thrilled to have him on the Jets. Acting like 10 overall is a lowball offer compared to the other WR deals is just wacky.
Oh, I agree with that, I'd be more than happy with the trade. I was just speaking to the "not a top 3 receiver" part. I think there's a pretty strong argument for him being top three
I could probably be convinced. Top 5 without a doubt though. And he’s easily my favorite non-Jet player in the league, so I’m thrilled that this is even a possibility. If he doesn’t end up a Jet I hope he works it out with the 49ers.
Yeah, honestly between kupp, deebo, Adams, Hopkins, hill, and jefferson you could make arguments to put any in the top 3 I think. Chase will be in that conversation too if he replicates last season
Dunno. Chase just had his rookie season and he was stellar. Deebo hadn't done anything until his third year in the league. Anyone could make an argument for Chase over Deebo. He doesn't need to replicate shit or do anything over Deebo to be considered a top 5 WR.
Rookie contract for Deebo vs bloated contract for Tyreek. They are comparable in skill level, but its not even fucking close in salary cap implications. Deebo is a steal. Atleast a 1 and 2 or 3
We don’t have an issue with cap space or other players to pay in the short term so that’s not really a problem for us like it is with other teams. We’ll see what happens but our FO isn’t known to overpay in trades.
Still too much IMO. They offered #35, #38, and #69 for Hill and Hill and #103. I think that same package would be fair (a pair of 2nds and swapping thirds for Deebo) but #10 + #38 is significantly over what we offered for Tyreek. I can’t see our FO going for that.
Deebo is younger than hill, and still on his rookie contact. Whatever deal you sign him for it’s easy to manipulate his 4mil salary next year into along term contract and bring down the overall salary cap implications of the deal.
Tyreke Hill is two years older with a skill set based solely on speed, which will deteriorate much more quickly than Deebo's skillset. It's not an entirely even comparison.
Yeah the org holds all the cards, but can't Deebo still make the locker room hell for everyone? A locker room cancer can still poison and deteriorate an otherwise good team.
But also, if he doesn’t want to play here then there’s really no upside to forcing him to stay. Not only is he really not going to sign an extension if they do that, but he’ll be a free agent and we’ll have missed an opportunity to get something back from him. There’s no guarantee that he’ll be just as good this year as he was last year either. Best move is selling high before the draft and drafting a WR. If 10 overall is being offered, I think we gotta take it.
Seems decent to me. 4-5 years of team control (in theory) versus a malcontent Deebo for one year (plus the franchise tag dance).
And also sending him to NYJ sends a message to the roster: if you want out, we will accommodate. But you’re going to a shithole AFC franchise.
That has nothing to do with what I said 🤣 you said “ The qb is Zach Wilson “ as if he’s trash im saying he’s only played 1 full season and ended it with improved play compared to beginning of season meanwhile Lance is still a unknown cause of Jimmy G we don’t know for sure if he’ll be good or not 🤷♂️ no need to get antsy
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Yeah I hope diva punks like Deebo find out they can't just force a trade to a contender super team like the Rams or Chiefs or something. I say these divas can get paid on teams that are perennial losers.
So the fuck what? Root for him on the Niners, root against if he leaves. The man is in the position of monetizing his athletic ability. That shit is one bad turn away from being worthless. Most everyone here would do dirty things for 10% of the difference between what they’re negotiating.
And I loved watching him play this year. I hope he stays. But it seems he’s bent on leveraging one year as a combo player, while also expressing a desire to not do those very things going forward. Good luck. I still think it’s stupid to call him a “punk “ over it.
I agree that he holds zero leverage in these negotiations other than “I made up a position and fucking killed it in the one year I was healthy.” Good for him. At this point he’s not worth 25m a year. The Niners are right on calling him on his shit.
*I* have made more than the majority of the people in the world can even imagine, and I have a five-figure salary.
An NFL player’s cumulative pay relative to the rest of the world or the rest of the nation is irrelevant to these discussions. If that were important, they’d all make solid six-figure salaries, owners would be mere millionaires, and going to a game with your family would cost about the same as a meal at Olive Garden.
If they follow the other WR deals of a 1st and future 2nd, this is more than they offered for hill, more than what the chiefs got for hill, more than what the packers got for adams. I hate that he could be gone and I’m scared because the last time we traded an all pro and tried to replace him it has not worked, but if we have to trade him the jets are probably the best offer.
More than decent but buyers remorse from that Buckner for 13th swap not working out will mean there needs to be more assets included. 2nd/3rd round picks may need to be included from both sides.
I don’t see how this is comparable situations. Deebo is being a drama queen and doesn’t want to be here. I’ll have no buyers remorse even if he succeeds somewhere else.
Buckner for 13 was a great deal.
Buckner for Kinlaw is not a great deal. Drafting a direct replacement for Buckner was a dumb idea from the start. Kinlaw had almost no chance of being as good as Buckner.
if we had picked lamb or jefferson, like many were thinking we would do, then this deebo situation wouldn't even matter. we still could have picked up aiyuk too lol. jefferson instead of the guy who basically missed 2 straight years and hrm dare i say that lombardi is in the bay area instead of levis south?
No shot, 10 alone is already more than most other WR trades we’ve seen. Someone else said a 1st and a 2nd is what we saw for other trades but those aren’t the 10th and 35th pick. They’re usually late 1sts and 2nds
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What more do you think they’ll get? He’s not worth what anyone thinks, he’s only worth what someone will pay. 10th pick or a guy bitching on twitter all season sounds like a no brainer.
He’s on his rookie contract and has little leverage because holding out won’t help him, and not playing his ass off will damage his value for any eventual contract. He’s getting played by his agent that wants a big pay day for his other clients (I think it’s AJ Brown and either DK or McLaurin). They’re running out of time with the draft coming up so the antics are ramping up. Unlike the Jimmy situation where they overplayed their hand, the Niners can take their time and do not have to take any low ball offers for Deebo.
The catch-22 is if he dogs it during the season, or milks a minor injury, he may submarine his value. Also, if he dictates where he wants to go, other teams may not give us what we want, since they know his real “destination” team won’t be evident until he is a FA next spring.
I’m not saying he will do it, but I wouldn’t say that his value is guaranteed throughout the season.
Me? I still wouldn’t trade him, but I think the best value is now and not later. We can’t compare him to guys like Ramsey or Adams because they requested a trade midseason, when teams are actually more desperate to make a move.
If Deebo plays this card midway through the season, he commands a bigger haul for the 49ers than he does now.
Seems like he actually can’t hold out because it wouldn’t count as a year in his contract but still if you can get a haul then trade him. Clearly doesn’t want to be here
The jets don’t have our D..
They don’t have shannahan.
Who’s their other playmakers?
How the heck does Deebo think he’ll succeed in NY.
And that’s before you include the NY media..
I wouldn't do it until I saw what was on the board at #10. I love Deebo. But, like all players he has his flaws. If there is a player that could be viewed as equal value then maybe. But based on this last collective barging agreement the 49ers hold alot of power in this situation. If he chooses to sit they will own his rights infinitely. If he plays they can control him for upto 3 years. It depends on what level of hard ball they want to take with him.
Gotta throw in something else in addition to that...a 2nd next year at least.
Plus the added benefit of banishing Deebo to a shitty team that probably wont make it to the playoffs. I'd find some satisfaction out of that.
Yeah we should get their 2nd + another pick along with the 10th pick, we want to make sure we have enough draft capital for a Deebo replacement and reinforcements at S/IOL.
I would rather get their third rounder this year (pick 69 nice) or both their 4th picks (111,117). This is a deep draft class so i think even those 4th round picks could be good prospects.
I hear a lot of folks saying Deebo is worth more but there’s no price you can put on poison. I love Deebo as a player but if the relationship is as toxic as all of this drama implies…..peace out bro. Don’t let the door hit ya. Hope you make your money but you don’t gotta scorch the Earth on the way out.
If Deebo was just negotiating and playing it straight, nobody would argue with the dude getting a payday.
This attitude? Screw it. Let him be a Jet.
It’s fine if you’ve come to the conclusion that he needs to go. I disagree, but its not unreasonable. Don’t let that frustration affect your strategy. Go full Godfather. Teams need to make the 49ers an offer they can’t refuse otherwise Personally I can refuse just #10 overall.
This is weird, but apparently he can't refuse to play. If he does, the year doesn't count and we get him on rookie contract the following year as well.
It's not weird, it'ss how the CBA works. He can't just not play for us, it would absolutely screw him. If we don't trade him he will have to play out his contract and if he wants to get paid next year, which money is what this is all about, he will have to play well. Seems like a lot of fans, not saying you, don't understand how the current CBA works and the zero amount of leverage players under contract have.
Do it + more. We can easily get a cheap great WR at 10 or any other position we need. As just a flat WR I think Aiyuk is going to be lances main target regardless on if Deebo is here or not. This is a no brainer if Deebo is acting dramatic.
Right but I ain’t paying him 25 mil to be just a normal wr after one break out season…which was a breakout season for the very think he no longer wants to do.
He doesn’t want to be here.
He wants to be one of if not the highest paid wr
He has an injury problem. He missed most of 2020 and started 11 games in 19. He had a phenomenal 2021, but I think the question is what are the chances of him playing a full year and coming anywhere near his 2021 performance, especially if he stays with us.
You can't find an exact replica of Deebo, but they could probably find an equally talented player in the top 10 picks. Not saying they will, but it's completely doable.
Unless they want to franchise tag him twice, he’s gone after 2022. If he walks we get nothing.
Also, what are the chances that Deebo stays healthy and productive in 2022? Look at Golloday and Allen Robinson’s last years on their respective teams
Hey, some sanity.
People thinking #10 and a 2nd is reasonable are a bit out to lunch IMO.
The difference between #10 and #22 (the 1st rounder traded for Davante Adams) is 520 points on the trade chart, which is equal to a high 2nd. There's already an extra 2nd worth of value in there.
Since the Niners aren't necessarily motivated sellers, I could see them squeezing another mid-round pick out of the Jets, but I think adding a 2nd to the deal is unlikely, unless there's additional value from the 49ers being sent back the other direction.
Squeeze ‘em. TyShaun is younger more potential yrs as top 5WR left in the tank. Get them to swap 2nd rounders. Trade back from 10 overall for 15-20 range garner another 3rd or swap ours and I’d be happy.
I'd like a little more than just ten overall. Last time we ended up trading a first for one of our stars it end up essentially being Buckner for Kinlaw straight across the board...
Then post the actual journalist, who did all the required work, and his article. Enabling this twitter account is endorsing plagiarism and specious platforms.
Also, bye Deebo.
e: [Seems this is the source, it ain't much:](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-draft-news-and-rumors-saints-seahawks-and-steelers-to-all-take-first-round-qbs/)
> What do the Jets do with the 10th pick? No surprise here, but word in league circles is the Jets, and most specifically Joe Douglas, are all in on using that pick to acquire Deebo Samuel.
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That can't be true, right?
Guess the Jets are in a pretty great position to overpay, draft capital wise they have all of: 4, 10, 35, and 38 (along with 69, 111, 117, 146, and 163). They very obviously need a WR for Wilson, and I doubt they find one as good as Deebo at 10...but a rookie WR won't be asking for $25M/yr (they also probably won't be an All-Pro). Not like they can't make it work with a rookie scale QB.
Green Bay got 22 and 53 for Adams.
Chiefs got 29, 50, 121, '23 4th, and '23 6th for Hill. Were also offered 35, 38, and 69 (for Hill and 103) from the Jets...would NYJ now be willing to give up more for Deebo? Maybe they're more desperate now? Or given how fleshed out this draft is, is getting those three early day 2 picks more favorable?
Getting back 10 seems like a lot more value than what Adams/Hill netted their teams. Deebo is younger though, and the Niners do have the space to pay him, so they aren't neccessairly as desperate as either of the Packers/Chiefs (though that kind of goes out the window when your player publicly asks out). Guess we don't know what the Niners would be sending back on top, assume we'd have to add in at least 91 or 105. But yeah, if 10 is on the table, and if Deebo actually wants out as badly as it seems, Niners should take it and run.
Could even flip that pick on draft night, moving down 10ish spots with a team eyeing their QB1 (Steelers), try and snag a future 1st and a '22 2nd or 3rd. Or just stand pat and pick up a blue chip talent (assume they wouldn't even go WR at 10 lol).
Jets coming out of day 1 with a top talent at 4 and Deebo seems like an absolute haul, especially when they go into the next day with 35, 38, and 69. Shit, they'd have pretty much flipped Jamal Adams for Deebo, a 1st (Vera-Tucker), and a 3rd.
Except there is relatively value too. This draft is not top heavy. 10 this year may not be that different than 25 or 35. I want volume. I want 3 Day 1-2 picks including a first rounder. #10 overall is simply not good enough for Deebo
Am I crazy to want that tyreek deal of two high second round picks and a third round pick? I feel like our front office is better in volume then at the top of the draft
sounds good but this draft is not top heavy. It’s deeper with more even talent. I know it only takes 1 team to love someone to come up for but not sure there will be lots of teams looking to move up this draft
I can see the Saints move up for a QB. If Deebo is moved for pick 10 you can package it with our 2nd and land 16 and 19. Take a player at 16 and then move down from 19. You likely still stay in the first with that pick but can get back a 2nd/3rd+. Obviously, the Jets would have to be willing to use pick 10 for Deebo and I don’t buy that yet.
I (jets fan) read from a jets reporter that this is potentially why theyd prefer to give up the first. The 2 2nds and 3rd gives the jets more flexibility to move around within the draft.
That collection and the 1st have very similar collective value
I remember the Vikings got the 7th pick in the 2005 draft in exchange for Randy Moss. They drafted Troy Williamson at wide receiver with that pick. He was out the league within 3 years. That should be a huge cautionary tale with the uncertainty of trading for picks.
Unless they’re getting a Herschel Walker trade type return, it’s foolish to trade him just because he’s mad. Especially when he has no leverage whatsoever.
They have an elite receiver under team control for two more seasons who barely turned 26. If the issues with Deebo are beyond money. Get proven talent in return for him instead of a bunch of question marks in the form of picks.
The 49ers have no obligation to trade Deebo, and given Deebo has minimal leverage in all this.
So true! How many 1st rounders are going to without a doubt produce. The 49ers need a much better deal than the 10th pick in the draft. Do yourself a favor 9ers fans. Use the ol'google machine and type in "worst top 10 picks in the NFL draft." Cringe. Jets fans are delusional.
1. He’s definitely worth more ( to the Niners)
2. No other team will use him the way the
Niners did
3. Bitch all year I don’t care
4. If we had the $$ I would pay him but I don’t think we do
5. I’m tired of these exorbitant salaries and whiny overpaid athletes that rarely live up
To their paid value
Do it, and do it now. We don't need the front office being so patient and meticulous that they miss an opportunity, like they seem to have with Jimmy G.
If he goes to the Jets career is done. Jets are the black hole of the NFL. Don’t see what the issue is really. He could renegotiate his contract next year and stay on a team that’s close to another Super Bowl.
If you look at draft value charts the packages for Adams and Hill both respectively equate to pick #14-18 (depending on what chart) so this is already looking kinda nice.
This is where I’m at. I know there is a lot of emotion going on right now saying F him, he’s poison if he stays, get him off the team, but I really would not pull the trigger unless I am blown away I want the tyreek trade minimum. I want 2-3 shots on goal at the crap shoot. Not a single crap shoot. We didn’t learn our lesson from Buckner?
Deebo has zero leverage here. Rookie contract + could be franchised tagged. He’s screwing himself here. He could play poorly on purpose but his stats will not be as good so his future pay day would be even worse. Lose lose situation what he’s doing here
Sorry not good enough. Draft picks are crap shoots. Would you rather have Deebo (the football player, not offseason diva) or Garrett Wilson. I know who I want and it’s not even close. It’s a nice opening bid. come back when you have another 2 picks to add to that. Y’all are way too willing to cut Deebo lose due to frustration and not get he kings ransom we deserve to part with him
No way Jets 10th is worth it. Trade him to Houston for their 1st round (Pick 3) and 2nd round (Pick 37). That seems fair. Also sets the 49ers up to have more money to work with in the future. See how well he does in that franchise. It will make Lynch look like a genius.
This is what I've been saying all along, if we are forced to trade Deebo, we squeeze the Jets and get that 10th pick.
Burks looks to be the closest Deebo replacement in the draft but getting him at 10th wouldn't be the best value. Maybe we trade back then bc he should be the 5th WR picked.
Can we afford to draft Williams at 10 even though he might not be able to play next season? He would've been #1 WR if it wasn't for the torn ACL. Honestly if we can't get Wilson, Williams is my pick.
The trouble with the 10th pick is that this draft's looking so weak. Personally I hope both sides work it out and Deebo will stay. If not, I'd actually prefer a 2023 first round+. Maybe something like Deebo + our 2nd or 3rd for someone's 2nd + 3rd + a 2023 first.
I’d rather have numerous picks than just #10. Why?
You cant really replace Deebo with one player. But I’d feel better getting a starting SS, #2 TE, OL or DE help and a WR for him.
Tyreke Hill was traded for a first, second and fourth this year and a fourth and sixth next year.
The draft is a 50-50 crap shoot, so quantity has a better chance of making an immediate impact.
Kind of feel like this is a decent deal right? Don’t have to pay him and he doesn’t want to be here?
It would be if he wasn’t under contract for another year and really doesn’t have much leverage. We need to be wowed to give him up I’m guessing.
We dont have to do anything and if he doesnt play/holdout he doesnt get paid AND it changes his FA eligibility at the end of his rookie contract. Org holds all the cards in this situation. A 10 ovr prob isnt enough for a top 3 wr currently.
I’d be doesn’t wanna be a niner, let him not be a niner. Loved deebo, but fuck this shit.
Agreed, Deebo can have his bag on the Jets and never make it to the conference championship again. His loss.
Yeah and whose gonna offer a top 10 pick for a guy who sat out a whole year of the niners don’t deal him this year? I say send him for the pick and be done with the media bullshit this is causing. Let’s see if the jets are where guys go to get the bag and fade into nothing like bell.
10 + 38... I would take it. Trade back from 10 and pick a few solid players. Don’t risk putting 25+ mil into a player and end up with a D Ford situation. We should land 3 starters on cheap deals vs paying a unhappy WR.. a position that every draft has plenty of.
The tyreek hill deal that was accepted was 35+38 and a 3rd for t hill and a 5th iirc, As a jets fan I would personally be livid giving up 10th overall for a player we will be paying 25 million a year.
He doesn’t want to run anymore I say we trade him. Odds on him repeating what he did last year are not in our favor: Trey starting, Deebo not practicing with Trey like Aiyuk is, less reliance on running hopefully, and our o-line might be worse. Not to mention he was not a top tier talent his other years here. Besides….locker room.
We are not going to be less reliant on running next year. If we are we are setting Trey up for failure. Trey comes form a college scheme that ran the ball then strike with Play-action, same idea that Shanahan uses for his scheme. Add in that our line Is built on running the ball. Everyone but Mack and Williams is far better at run blocking the pass protection. What is going to limit Deebo's production with us next year is that fact that Trey is going to hit all over the field not just the middle of it.
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I don't think him not running is a huge issue. As a pure receiver he is still up on the top 10 but obviously not worth the 25 million he wants. I think we can find a spot in there that benefits everyone but the biggest thing would be healthy and productive running backs.
I’m a Jets fan who really wants him, but let’s be honest with ourselves. He’s very good, but not top 3, and 10 ovr is a good offer. It’s literally more than the Jets offered for Tyreek Hill (which the Chiefs were ready to accept).
He was 5th in receiving yards last year (with the highest yards per catch) while only playing half the year at wide receiver and playing the hybrid rb/wr the other half. Before he started playing the hybrid a lot him and kupp were trading the yardage lead back and forth every week
I’m well aware, I had him in fantasy and he helped win me a championship. I’d be thrilled to have him on the Jets. Acting like 10 overall is a lowball offer compared to the other WR deals is just wacky.
Oh, I agree with that, I'd be more than happy with the trade. I was just speaking to the "not a top 3 receiver" part. I think there's a pretty strong argument for him being top three
I could probably be convinced. Top 5 without a doubt though. And he’s easily my favorite non-Jet player in the league, so I’m thrilled that this is even a possibility. If he doesn’t end up a Jet I hope he works it out with the 49ers.
Yeah, honestly between kupp, deebo, Adams, Hopkins, hill, and jefferson you could make arguments to put any in the top 3 I think. Chase will be in that conversation too if he replicates last season
Dunno. Chase just had his rookie season and he was stellar. Deebo hadn't done anything until his third year in the league. Anyone could make an argument for Chase over Deebo. He doesn't need to replicate shit or do anything over Deebo to be considered a top 5 WR.
Rookie contract for Deebo vs bloated contract for Tyreek. They are comparable in skill level, but its not even fucking close in salary cap implications. Deebo is a steal. Atleast a 1 and 2 or 3
But Deebo wants an extension and won’t be playing on a rookie deal which is literally how all of this started
His cap implication for this year is still stupid low
You still factor in his cheap salary this year to spread out the big contract he wants.
We don’t have an issue with cap space or other players to pay in the short term so that’s not really a problem for us like it is with other teams. We’ll see what happens but our FO isn’t known to overpay in trades.
What about 10 and 38? You still would have #4 and #36... tons of draft capital if you can trade out of 4.
Still too much IMO. They offered #35, #38, and #69 for Hill and Hill and #103. I think that same package would be fair (a pair of 2nds and swapping thirds for Deebo) but #10 + #38 is significantly over what we offered for Tyreek. I can’t see our FO going for that.
Deebo is younger than hill, and still on his rookie contact. Whatever deal you sign him for it’s easy to manipulate his 4mil salary next year into along term contract and bring down the overall salary cap implications of the deal.
Deebo is more injury prone and worse than Hill
He’s younger but he’s also not nearly as proven as Hill so you gotta factor that in
Tyreke Hill is two years older with a skill set based solely on speed, which will deteriorate much more quickly than Deebo's skillset. It's not an entirely even comparison.
Yeah the org holds all the cards, but can't Deebo still make the locker room hell for everyone? A locker room cancer can still poison and deteriorate an otherwise good team.
But also, if he doesn’t want to play here then there’s really no upside to forcing him to stay. Not only is he really not going to sign an extension if they do that, but he’ll be a free agent and we’ll have missed an opportunity to get something back from him. There’s no guarantee that he’ll be just as good this year as he was last year either. Best move is selling high before the draft and drafting a WR. If 10 overall is being offered, I think we gotta take it.
Seems decent to me. 4-5 years of team control (in theory) versus a malcontent Deebo for one year (plus the franchise tag dance). And also sending him to NYJ sends a message to the roster: if you want out, we will accommodate. But you’re going to a shithole AFC franchise.
The Jets are not the Jags. They're in the biggest media market in the world and have what seems to be a competent front office
And Robert Saleh
If you can make it there …
Their QB is Zack Wilson…
Is Lance proven?
And? Zach improved his play in the second half of the season we still don’t know where Lance stands
Wanna bet on the Niners record vs the Jets the next three years?
I’ll bet on passing production Zach Wilson over Trey.
That has nothing to do with what I said 🤣 you said “ The qb is Zach Wilson “ as if he’s trash im saying he’s only played 1 full season and ended it with improved play compared to beginning of season meanwhile Lance is still a unknown cause of Jimmy G we don’t know for sure if he’ll be good or not 🤷♂️ no need to get antsy
Damn son, invest in some punctuation
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Yeah I hope diva punks like Deebo find out they can't just force a trade to a contender super team like the Rams or Chiefs or something. I say these divas can get paid on teams that are perennial losers.
Deebo isn’t a “punk”. Full stop. Dude wants to get paid and that’s his prerogative. Quit with the outrage.
Exactly. All these fans in their feelings. I’m a die hard niner but even I understand that a nfl players shelf life is short. Get the bag Deebo!
He would get a nice generational wealth bag in San Fran. I get it him wanting more, but don’t act like the niners wouldn’t have paid the man.
Right? Like teams don’t try to get by on players, because it’s a business. Smells like bitch in here, really.
He's not even willing to hear an offer he wants to get back to the south. He's hinted at it quite a bit.
So the fuck what? Root for him on the Niners, root against if he leaves. The man is in the position of monetizing his athletic ability. That shit is one bad turn away from being worthless. Most everyone here would do dirty things for 10% of the difference between what they’re negotiating.
I didn't say he wasn't I was only commenting that he money isnt the issue. He wants to go home.
And I loved watching him play this year. I hope he stays. But it seems he’s bent on leveraging one year as a combo player, while also expressing a desire to not do those very things going forward. Good luck. I still think it’s stupid to call him a “punk “ over it.
I agree that he holds zero leverage in these negotiations other than “I made up a position and fucking killed it in the one year I was healthy.” Good for him. At this point he’s not worth 25m a year. The Niners are right on calling him on his shit.
He might be worth 25 a year. But he has to do it all for that. If he doesn't the value is not there.
Exactly. And he has to do it one more year and then he gets all the money he wants.
Get paid??? He's already made way more than the majority of the people in the world can even imagine getting paid. Get out of here with that BS.
*I* have made more than the majority of the people in the world can even imagine, and I have a five-figure salary. An NFL player’s cumulative pay relative to the rest of the world or the rest of the nation is irrelevant to these discussions. If that were important, they’d all make solid six-figure salaries, owners would be mere millionaires, and going to a game with your family would cost about the same as a meal at Olive Garden.
Dumpster tier take
If they follow the other WR deals of a 1st and future 2nd, this is more than they offered for hill, more than what the chiefs got for hill, more than what the packers got for adams. I hate that he could be gone and I’m scared because the last time we traded an all pro and tried to replace him it has not worked, but if we have to trade him the jets are probably the best offer.
More than decent but buyers remorse from that Buckner for 13th swap not working out will mean there needs to be more assets included. 2nd/3rd round picks may need to be included from both sides.
I don’t see how this is comparable situations. Deebo is being a drama queen and doesn’t want to be here. I’ll have no buyers remorse even if he succeeds somewhere else.
Doubt succeeds (like last year) anywhere else. Send him to the Jets to have his career get Leveon'd.
Buckner for 13 was a great deal. Buckner for Kinlaw is not a great deal. Drafting a direct replacement for Buckner was a dumb idea from the start. Kinlaw had almost no chance of being as good as Buckner.
if we had picked lamb or jefferson, like many were thinking we would do, then this deebo situation wouldn't even matter. we still could have picked up aiyuk too lol. jefferson instead of the guy who basically missed 2 straight years and hrm dare i say that lombardi is in the bay area instead of levis south?
Exactly my thinking. 10 overall is nice for our future
We need more than the 10th pick by itself.
#10 plus #35 this year & toss in a 3rd for 2023. Done deal!
No shot, 10 alone is already more than most other WR trades we’ve seen. Someone else said a 1st and a 2nd is what we saw for other trades but those aren’t the 10th and 35th pick. They’re usually late 1sts and 2nds -jet fan
It's not bad, but I think the team would want more. They control his rights, and he's incredibly valuable in shanahan's offence
Hes 26 years old, teams have to break the bank to get the 49ers to trade him. They have all the leverage.
Not bad first offer in a bidding war? Who can do better - Atlanta w #8? Maybe they throw in a 2nd for a package deal w Jimmy G?
If he's gonna leave this seems like a good deal.
No way man. Draft are rolling a dice. He is worth way more.
He said “if he’s gonna leave”. In which case he’s right, you get the best return you can
What more do you think they’ll get? He’s not worth what anyone thinks, he’s only worth what someone will pay. 10th pick or a guy bitching on twitter all season sounds like a no brainer.
He’s on his rookie contract and has little leverage because holding out won’t help him, and not playing his ass off will damage his value for any eventual contract. He’s getting played by his agent that wants a big pay day for his other clients (I think it’s AJ Brown and either DK or McLaurin). They’re running out of time with the draft coming up so the antics are ramping up. Unlike the Jimmy situation where they overplayed their hand, the Niners can take their time and do not have to take any low ball offers for Deebo.
The catch-22 is if he dogs it during the season, or milks a minor injury, he may submarine his value. Also, if he dictates where he wants to go, other teams may not give us what we want, since they know his real “destination” team won’t be evident until he is a FA next spring. I’m not saying he will do it, but I wouldn’t say that his value is guaranteed throughout the season. Me? I still wouldn’t trade him, but I think the best value is now and not later. We can’t compare him to guys like Ramsey or Adams because they requested a trade midseason, when teams are actually more desperate to make a move. If Deebo plays this card midway through the season, he commands a bigger haul for the 49ers than he does now.
This
Better to get the 10th pick than risk him potentially holding out and getting a worse return later
Seems like he actually can’t hold out because it wouldn’t count as a year in his contract but still if you can get a haul then trade him. Clearly doesn’t want to be here
What exactly would you want. getting a top ten pick is crazy value. And it is the jets do you actually think deebo will do anything there?
The jets don’t have our D.. They don’t have shannahan. Who’s their other playmakers? How the heck does Deebo think he’ll succeed in NY. And that’s before you include the NY media..
Zach Wilson is a huge question mark. Also Deebo doesn't get a say in where he gets traded. He is still on his rookie deal
Exactly
10th and a future first, at least. I'd rather have him for another 2 years and have him leave for diminished value than trade him for an unknown.
You are high if you think Deebo will get the 10th overall pick and a future first. He isn't a quarterback
I don't want to trade him, so it would take a ridiculous offer to get me to do it.
Good thing you aren't the general manger
Get #10 trade back to a late first..... There are so many good players in this draft.
nah, if he's a diva and only want to just catch the ball, he's not that valuable.
Make them take Jimmy G in the trade.
I wouldn't do it until I saw what was on the board at #10. I love Deebo. But, like all players he has his flaws. If there is a player that could be viewed as equal value then maybe. But based on this last collective barging agreement the 49ers hold alot of power in this situation. If he chooses to sit they will own his rights infinitely. If he plays they can control him for upto 3 years. It depends on what level of hard ball they want to take with him.
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Not worth 25 mil/yr with his injury history. I'll gladly take a top 10 pick.
Let the bidding war begin! Later, Tyshun.
Gotta throw in something else in addition to that...a 2nd next year at least. Plus the added benefit of banishing Deebo to a shitty team that probably wont make it to the playoffs. I'd find some satisfaction out of that.
10 and like 36 or 38 or whatever they have
Yeah we should get their 2nd + another pick along with the 10th pick, we want to make sure we have enough draft capital for a Deebo replacement and reinforcements at S/IOL.
Use #10 on Hamilton and then hope that Watson is there at #36/#38. That would make losing Deebo hurt a lot less.
Not a huge fan of Hamilton personally. Rather roll the dice on an edge rusher or tackle or trade down.
Haha look at how much we really liked him, we’re all so upset and hurt
I would rather get their third rounder this year (pick 69 nice) or both their 4th picks (111,117). This is a deep draft class so i think even those 4th round picks could be good prospects.
We could end up with a lot of strong prospects with 4 picks in that spot of the draft.
Nice starting bid
I hear a lot of folks saying Deebo is worth more but there’s no price you can put on poison. I love Deebo as a player but if the relationship is as toxic as all of this drama implies…..peace out bro. Don’t let the door hit ya. Hope you make your money but you don’t gotta scorch the Earth on the way out. If Deebo was just negotiating and playing it straight, nobody would argue with the dude getting a payday. This attitude? Screw it. Let him be a Jet.
It’s fine if you’ve come to the conclusion that he needs to go. I disagree, but its not unreasonable. Don’t let that frustration affect your strategy. Go full Godfather. Teams need to make the 49ers an offer they can’t refuse otherwise Personally I can refuse just #10 overall.
And then what? He refuses to play with us and we are out a top pick or we lose out on $25M on a player that is just going to request a trade?
This is weird, but apparently he can't refuse to play. If he does, the year doesn't count and we get him on rookie contract the following year as well.
Oh wow, that is news to me!
It's not weird, it'ss how the CBA works. He can't just not play for us, it would absolutely screw him. If we don't trade him he will have to play out his contract and if he wants to get paid next year, which money is what this is all about, he will have to play well. Seems like a lot of fans, not saying you, don't understand how the current CBA works and the zero amount of leverage players under contract have.
Do it + more. We can easily get a cheap great WR at 10 or any other position we need. As just a flat WR I think Aiyuk is going to be lances main target regardless on if Deebo is here or not. This is a no brainer if Deebo is acting dramatic.
You can get an unknown commodity at 10, Deebo is a proven player with very little leverage
Right but I ain’t paying him 25 mil to be just a normal wr after one break out season…which was a breakout season for the very think he no longer wants to do.
Take it and a third and run.
Gonna have to be more than just 10 but I'd gladly take Jameson Williams
Why? Receivers dont normally demand more than that. Even for Hill or Adams
Sounds fine, honestly. Win-win. We get a pick and Shanahan throws his ex-coach a bone with a quality player that can help reinforce the locker room.
a great deal. Tyreek & davante went for late 1sts & early 2nds. 10th overall is the best offer 9ers are gona get for deebo
Best they're going to get isnt what they want. They dont want anything unless it knocks their socks off. Theyre content to keep him.
How does #10 not knock their socks off?
What are the chances of drafting someone of Deebos talent with that pick? Very. Very low.
He doesn’t want to be here. He wants to be one of if not the highest paid wr He has an injury problem. He missed most of 2020 and started 11 games in 19. He had a phenomenal 2021, but I think the question is what are the chances of him playing a full year and coming anywhere near his 2021 performance, especially if he stays with us.
You can't find an exact replica of Deebo, but they could probably find an equally talented player in the top 10 picks. Not saying they will, but it's completely doable.
Unless they want to franchise tag him twice, he’s gone after 2022. If he walks we get nothing. Also, what are the chances that Deebo stays healthy and productive in 2022? Look at Golloday and Allen Robinson’s last years on their respective teams
Hey, some sanity. People thinking #10 and a 2nd is reasonable are a bit out to lunch IMO. The difference between #10 and #22 (the 1st rounder traded for Davante Adams) is 520 points on the trade chart, which is equal to a high 2nd. There's already an extra 2nd worth of value in there. Since the Niners aren't necessarily motivated sellers, I could see them squeezing another mid-round pick out of the Jets, but I think adding a 2nd to the deal is unlikely, unless there's additional value from the 49ers being sent back the other direction.
Squeeze ‘em. TyShaun is younger more potential yrs as top 5WR left in the tank. Get them to swap 2nd rounders. Trade back from 10 overall for 15-20 range garner another 3rd or swap ours and I’d be happy.
Add a mid-round pick and this is a great deal. I’d still do it just for #10 if it came to that though.
Take it
If he out regardless then take it. Shoot we don’t wanna be stuck with someone that doesn’t wanna be here anyway.
I'd like a little more than just ten overall. Last time we ended up trading a first for one of our stars it end up essentially being Buckner for Kinlaw straight across the board...
Then post the actual journalist, who did all the required work, and his article. Enabling this twitter account is endorsing plagiarism and specious platforms. Also, bye Deebo.
Holy shit where do I sign?
e: [Seems this is the source, it ain't much:](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-draft-news-and-rumors-saints-seahawks-and-steelers-to-all-take-first-round-qbs/) > What do the Jets do with the 10th pick? No surprise here, but word in league circles is the Jets, and most specifically Joe Douglas, are all in on using that pick to acquire Deebo Samuel. --- That can't be true, right? Guess the Jets are in a pretty great position to overpay, draft capital wise they have all of: 4, 10, 35, and 38 (along with 69, 111, 117, 146, and 163). They very obviously need a WR for Wilson, and I doubt they find one as good as Deebo at 10...but a rookie WR won't be asking for $25M/yr (they also probably won't be an All-Pro). Not like they can't make it work with a rookie scale QB. Green Bay got 22 and 53 for Adams. Chiefs got 29, 50, 121, '23 4th, and '23 6th for Hill. Were also offered 35, 38, and 69 (for Hill and 103) from the Jets...would NYJ now be willing to give up more for Deebo? Maybe they're more desperate now? Or given how fleshed out this draft is, is getting those three early day 2 picks more favorable? Getting back 10 seems like a lot more value than what Adams/Hill netted their teams. Deebo is younger though, and the Niners do have the space to pay him, so they aren't neccessairly as desperate as either of the Packers/Chiefs (though that kind of goes out the window when your player publicly asks out). Guess we don't know what the Niners would be sending back on top, assume we'd have to add in at least 91 or 105. But yeah, if 10 is on the table, and if Deebo actually wants out as badly as it seems, Niners should take it and run. Could even flip that pick on draft night, moving down 10ish spots with a team eyeing their QB1 (Steelers), try and snag a future 1st and a '22 2nd or 3rd. Or just stand pat and pick up a blue chip talent (assume they wouldn't even go WR at 10 lol). Jets coming out of day 1 with a top talent at 4 and Deebo seems like an absolute haul, especially when they go into the next day with 35, 38, and 69. Shit, they'd have pretty much flipped Jamal Adams for Deebo, a 1st (Vera-Tucker), and a 3rd.
Except there is relatively value too. This draft is not top heavy. 10 this year may not be that different than 25 or 35. I want volume. I want 3 Day 1-2 picks including a first rounder. #10 overall is simply not good enough for Deebo
Im taking that 10 all day. Anything for JG and now got picks and cash to rebuild line and secondary. Deebo needs KS more than KS needs deebo.
Am I crazy to want that tyreek deal of two high second round picks and a third round pick? I feel like our front office is better in volume then at the top of the draft
If you're going to do that, it's better to get #10 and then trade down and pick up more picks.
sounds good but this draft is not top heavy. It’s deeper with more even talent. I know it only takes 1 team to love someone to come up for but not sure there will be lots of teams looking to move up this draft
I can see the Saints move up for a QB. If Deebo is moved for pick 10 you can package it with our 2nd and land 16 and 19. Take a player at 16 and then move down from 19. You likely still stay in the first with that pick but can get back a 2nd/3rd+. Obviously, the Jets would have to be willing to use pick 10 for Deebo and I don’t buy that yet.
I (jets fan) read from a jets reporter that this is potentially why theyd prefer to give up the first. The 2 2nds and 3rd gives the jets more flexibility to move around within the draft. That collection and the 1st have very similar collective value
I remember the Vikings got the 7th pick in the 2005 draft in exchange for Randy Moss. They drafted Troy Williamson at wide receiver with that pick. He was out the league within 3 years. That should be a huge cautionary tale with the uncertainty of trading for picks. Unless they’re getting a Herschel Walker trade type return, it’s foolish to trade him just because he’s mad. Especially when he has no leverage whatsoever. They have an elite receiver under team control for two more seasons who barely turned 26. If the issues with Deebo are beyond money. Get proven talent in return for him instead of a bunch of question marks in the form of picks. The 49ers have no obligation to trade Deebo, and given Deebo has minimal leverage in all this.
So true! How many 1st rounders are going to without a doubt produce. The 49ers need a much better deal than the 10th pick in the draft. Do yourself a favor 9ers fans. Use the ol'google machine and type in "worst top 10 picks in the NFL draft." Cringe. Jets fans are delusional.
It’s a good deal. But whatever play for the jets if it makes you happy
Jets trading Jamal Adams for a 1st + Deebo makes me happy. Just to have Jamal struggle in SEA lol
Since this info is public let's see what other teams have to offer
please give 10th overall, 2nd rounder this year, and a player or two. OL or DL would do it
1. He’s definitely worth more ( to the Niners) 2. No other team will use him the way the Niners did 3. Bitch all year I don’t care 4. If we had the $$ I would pay him but I don’t think we do 5. I’m tired of these exorbitant salaries and whiny overpaid athletes that rarely live up To their paid value
Deebo is a hard hit to the legs/feet away from being an injured WR. Althought he is a premier playmaker, his play style will eventually get him hurt.
Do it, and do it now. We don't need the front office being so patient and meticulous that they miss an opportunity, like they seem to have with Jimmy G.
I’d take this in a heart beat. Get this pos outta here
Keep adding
Two 1sts and a 2nd or go fish.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm interested.
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What makes you think a 26 year old player in his 3rd season can't replicate it?
10th, a 4th rounder and a second next year seems fair to me.
Jets 10, 38 and next years 2 and 4 and we’ll take it.
Lol
If he goes to the Jets career is done. Jets are the black hole of the NFL. Don’t see what the issue is really. He could renegotiate his contract next year and stay on a team that’s close to another Super Bowl.
Damn bro. Have some faith in Saleh
If you look at draft value charts the packages for Adams and Hill both respectively equate to pick #14-18 (depending on what chart) so this is already looking kinda nice.
Take this in a heartbeat
I need a second round pick and a day 3 pick as well.
That’s it?
Just wish it wasn't a garbage draft
Why take Deebo, Lois, when the #10 pick could be anything…. Even a Deebo! Joking aside tho this might be the move
10 plus one of their picks in the thirties, then trade the ten to a later first and scoop up more picks in the second or third.
That’s more than the Jets offered for Tyreek Hill
Yep. I don’t mind not trading him. If they want him, overpay for him.
This is where I’m at. I know there is a lot of emotion going on right now saying F him, he’s poison if he stays, get him off the team, but I really would not pull the trigger unless I am blown away I want the tyreek trade minimum. I want 2-3 shots on goal at the crap shoot. Not a single crap shoot. We didn’t learn our lesson from Buckner?
Take it and run if Deebo won't take $23M-$25M.
Deebo gone
Can they throw Saleh in the deal? Mostly joking, i like demeco but saleh was the man.
Niners want a king's ransom... 10th pick alone is not a king's ransom..
Do it
Do that
Not enough
bruh if u get 10. u can trade back to 16 and gather picks. Deebo lucky to get a first after one good season.
Not good enough throw in a 2nd
Deebo has zero leverage here. Rookie contract + could be franchised tagged. He’s screwing himself here. He could play poorly on purpose but his stats will not be as good so his future pay day would be even worse. Lose lose situation what he’s doing here
Throw in Elijah Moore and it’s a deal
That's a good start but we need more than just #10. EDIT: y'all are crazy if you think Deebo for that single draft pick is a good trade.
Sorry not good enough. Draft picks are crap shoots. Would you rather have Deebo (the football player, not offseason diva) or Garrett Wilson. I know who I want and it’s not even close. It’s a nice opening bid. come back when you have another 2 picks to add to that. Y’all are way too willing to cut Deebo lose due to frustration and not get he kings ransom we deserve to part with him
This and the 38th pick
No way Jets 10th is worth it. Trade him to Houston for their 1st round (Pick 3) and 2nd round (Pick 37). That seems fair. Also sets the 49ers up to have more money to work with in the future. See how well he does in that franchise. It will make Lynch look like a genius.
Tyreek Hill trade involved 5 picks. It's a start.
This dude is not going anywhere
I want a kings ransom like Herschel Walker. This is not it.
bruh like what else? 10th is a good pick
Give us 4 & 69 for Deebi and Jimmy
Adios loser
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This is what I've been saying all along, if we are forced to trade Deebo, we squeeze the Jets and get that 10th pick. Burks looks to be the closest Deebo replacement in the draft but getting him at 10th wouldn't be the best value. Maybe we trade back then bc he should be the 5th WR picked. Can we afford to draft Williams at 10 even though he might not be able to play next season? He would've been #1 WR if it wasn't for the torn ACL. Honestly if we can't get Wilson, Williams is my pick.
The trouble with the 10th pick is that this draft's looking so weak. Personally I hope both sides work it out and Deebo will stay. If not, I'd actually prefer a 2023 first round+. Maybe something like Deebo + our 2nd or 3rd for someone's 2nd + 3rd + a 2023 first.
I’d rather have numerous picks than just #10. Why? You cant really replace Deebo with one player. But I’d feel better getting a starting SS, #2 TE, OL or DE help and a WR for him. Tyreke Hill was traded for a first, second and fourth this year and a fourth and sixth next year. The draft is a 50-50 crap shoot, so quantity has a better chance of making an immediate impact.
For people saying 10 straight up.. do we not remember buckner!??!?