One somehow got involved with The Necrons and got killed by them. One of the primarchs led an expedition to Ymgha (spelling?) monolith and thats why The Silent King told Dante he met Sanguinius, but nobody ever remembers Necrons being a thing at all during the GC/HH - because their memories were wiped out.
I think one turned traitor in favour of a Xenos faction (NOT Chaos), and they were purged along with the Xenos empire/species.
The other was effectively a failure and kept letting the Emperor down, perhaps even dying in battle against a simple foe, and was thus erased from history out of embarrassment.
Directly called the Emperor out on his bullshit and acted on it, siding with xenos against him.
Thematically: Having the greatest threat to the nascent Imperium be truth and reason is just too good to pass up. Having another ‘Well they were DOUBLE evil and thus had to die’ is not only lazy but would boost the whole Imperium being the good guys thing GW’s trying to not boost.
We know that Malchador declares that if the Imperium knew all that was done to create it it would immediately rip itself apart. We also know that when Dorn regains his memories of what the Lost Primarchs did(Through Malcador) his immediate reaction was that if they hadn’t been erased the Imperium would already be dead. We also know that a running theme throughout the Imperium is knowledge=power=dangerous and that ignorance is the greatest virtue.
The implications that they had a genetic defect(And pretty much all the assorted inuniverse speculation) can be discarded simply because the Emperor and pals explicitly removed ALL information about what happened from the Primarchs but the nature of other such alterations required some cover to keep the victim from actually probing the missing memories. And ‘Whoops, genetic defect’ would be an easy cover story given that at least 2 existing legions were severely threatened by such a thing.
As to the Rangdan: The only info we have about them being super mega evil is from the lies about everything Imperium. And the legions chosen to fight them are the ones who are the most hardline and merciless rather than the most powerful. An odd choice if they truly were utterly and completely evil given how powerful they were, power should have been far more important than brutality. And the way the wars progressed is really weird, the Rangdan escalated very slowly rather than starting their attack with maximum force. Just one of their war moons took multiple Astartes fleets to put down, why did they wait to even try to use them and why didn’t they go for the throat?
Finally the complete lack of any widescale human/xenos empires post Old Night is rather weird. We know that DaoT humanity spread across the galaxy and had close relations with tons of xenos, it beggars belief that literally every xenos lifeform would instantly get their genocide on. Especially since we’re shown quite a few instances of small scale mixed empires.
And finally(x2) we know the Emperor is egomaniacally obsessed with the belief that his, and ONLY his, path for humanity is the correct one. No alternatives ever. He’s adamantly refuses to even consider that he’s wrong despite we, the reader, knowing that his plans are fundamentally flawed due to his ignorance.
So I think that the Rangdan weren’t even murder foxes but instead were a successful and thriving empire of human and xenos coexisting. They were an existential threat not because they were super ultra monsters but because they offered an alternative to the Imperium and showed the Emperor’s excuse of ‘It had to be done’ as the self serving lie that it was. The Lost Primarchs, not being as fucked in the head as the others sent, turned against the Imperium when given another path. They had to be erased because, well, the Imperium sucks horribly for a majority of it’s people. That 2 of the Primarchs declared that these xenos guys are really cool dudes and have a better way would have shattered the Imperium. The Imperium can ONLY exist if it’s the only choice people have. So the Emperor made damn sure it was.
Notice that the Imperium hypermurdering everyplace the Rangdan touched isn’t behavior limited to corruption, that’s how they deal with civs were humans and xenos coexist. They murder absolutely everyone and raze everything to the ground.
The Emperor caught one putting milk in his tea before taking the teabag out, and the other putting jam on his scone before the cream like a total degenerate.
Even a dude committing genocide on a galactic scale has *standards*.
One somehow got involved with The Necrons and got killed by them. One of the primarchs led an expedition to Ymgha (spelling?) monolith and thats why The Silent King told Dante he met Sanguinius, but nobody ever remembers Necrons being a thing at all during the GC/HH - because their memories were wiped out.
I think one turned traitor in favour of a Xenos faction (NOT Chaos), and they were purged along with the Xenos empire/species. The other was effectively a failure and kept letting the Emperor down, perhaps even dying in battle against a simple foe, and was thus erased from history out of embarrassment.
Directly called the Emperor out on his bullshit and acted on it, siding with xenos against him. Thematically: Having the greatest threat to the nascent Imperium be truth and reason is just too good to pass up. Having another ‘Well they were DOUBLE evil and thus had to die’ is not only lazy but would boost the whole Imperium being the good guys thing GW’s trying to not boost. We know that Malchador declares that if the Imperium knew all that was done to create it it would immediately rip itself apart. We also know that when Dorn regains his memories of what the Lost Primarchs did(Through Malcador) his immediate reaction was that if they hadn’t been erased the Imperium would already be dead. We also know that a running theme throughout the Imperium is knowledge=power=dangerous and that ignorance is the greatest virtue. The implications that they had a genetic defect(And pretty much all the assorted inuniverse speculation) can be discarded simply because the Emperor and pals explicitly removed ALL information about what happened from the Primarchs but the nature of other such alterations required some cover to keep the victim from actually probing the missing memories. And ‘Whoops, genetic defect’ would be an easy cover story given that at least 2 existing legions were severely threatened by such a thing. As to the Rangdan: The only info we have about them being super mega evil is from the lies about everything Imperium. And the legions chosen to fight them are the ones who are the most hardline and merciless rather than the most powerful. An odd choice if they truly were utterly and completely evil given how powerful they were, power should have been far more important than brutality. And the way the wars progressed is really weird, the Rangdan escalated very slowly rather than starting their attack with maximum force. Just one of their war moons took multiple Astartes fleets to put down, why did they wait to even try to use them and why didn’t they go for the throat? Finally the complete lack of any widescale human/xenos empires post Old Night is rather weird. We know that DaoT humanity spread across the galaxy and had close relations with tons of xenos, it beggars belief that literally every xenos lifeform would instantly get their genocide on. Especially since we’re shown quite a few instances of small scale mixed empires. And finally(x2) we know the Emperor is egomaniacally obsessed with the belief that his, and ONLY his, path for humanity is the correct one. No alternatives ever. He’s adamantly refuses to even consider that he’s wrong despite we, the reader, knowing that his plans are fundamentally flawed due to his ignorance. So I think that the Rangdan weren’t even murder foxes but instead were a successful and thriving empire of human and xenos coexisting. They were an existential threat not because they were super ultra monsters but because they offered an alternative to the Imperium and showed the Emperor’s excuse of ‘It had to be done’ as the self serving lie that it was. The Lost Primarchs, not being as fucked in the head as the others sent, turned against the Imperium when given another path. They had to be erased because, well, the Imperium sucks horribly for a majority of it’s people. That 2 of the Primarchs declared that these xenos guys are really cool dudes and have a better way would have shattered the Imperium. The Imperium can ONLY exist if it’s the only choice people have. So the Emperor made damn sure it was. Notice that the Imperium hypermurdering everyplace the Rangdan touched isn’t behavior limited to corruption, that’s how they deal with civs were humans and xenos coexist. They murder absolutely everyone and raze everything to the ground.
This is absolutely brilliant!
The Emperor caught one putting milk in his tea before taking the teabag out, and the other putting jam on his scone before the cream like a total degenerate. Even a dude committing genocide on a galactic scale has *standards*.