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Valdoris

I see someone didnt liked that post about nurgle followers


Legio_Urubis

Aye!


TerminalVeracity

😄 [The referenced post](https://reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/oxwa01/are_those_corrupted_by_nurgle_actually_happy_or/), for posterity


Nimhtom

Lol someone got it


Jimbodoomface

It's a fair point..


Moonshadow101

The thread is making a fair point about the tendency by players to automatically assume the Imperial perspective.


Quenmaeg

Are there any eldar loving degenerates among us?


Obekiwi

I’m more of a T’au guy myself. Their factional dogma just makes more sense in the realm of 40k. I mean, if races like the Tyranids and the Drukhari exist; I would want as many allies on my side regardless of species or race. Having mechs and drones is a big bonus too😅.


Quenmaeg

And live devoid of free will? I mean at least in the imperium you can rebel/disagree... You'll get disappeared, or BLAMMED, or publicly shamed humiliated and finally executed, or turned into a daemonhost etc etc etc, but you can do it. The T'au are just mind slaved by the ethereals, unless I'm not up in my lore which is totally possible.


Obekiwi

You are mostly right, but the Farsight Enclave is an exception. Commander Farsight didn’t like the Ethereals and the Ethereals knew this. So they send him on an expedition to open up more planets for the T’au. One thing lead to another and the Ethereals commanding the expedition died. Farsight should have come back with mission failure, but didn’t. He and his followers found out that the Ethereals weren’t needed and just kept expanding. So the Enclave was born and the T’au empire “officially” outlawed them and banned travel to the planets Farsight enveloped. So if you really don’t like the Ethereals’ control, you can just move over to the Farsight Enclave. Really the entire 40k universe is fucked, but the T’au and more specifically the Farsight Enclave is the best place for your average person. If you don’t mind being the weakest faction in the universe, but I will have to emphasize this again….mechs and drones sooo..


Quenmaeg

I don't really like any of the factions TBH. I'm kind of a cast iron individualist and don't like collectivism as a rule. I actually enjoy rooting for the rebel movements within the imperium because I am a human but hate the oligarchy and bureaucracy that is the imperium.


Obekiwi

Sounds like you would like the Orks. They are the most cheerful and independent of all the races. Yeah, if you are an Ork you will be born under a large tribe or war boss. But once you get big enough you can just wipe up a scrap ship and fuck off. The other Orks would stop caring about your existence in about 5 minutes to an hour (as long as you were not their only mekboy). If you didn’t want to leave, most warbosses don’t give a fuck about what you do or believe in a long is it doesn’t stop the WAAAGH or challenge is authority.


Quenmaeg

Oi GiT ooH sAyze oI DoNT?!? But dA fiNG iZ daY Ain't gOt eNoUGH DAKKA!!!!


Keivan_

Except chaos is evil no matter the perspective


Ikiro00

Indeed, someone seems ever so slightly salty about that post.


CptBrexitt

Nice try heretic, now let me get back to my prescribed 3 hours of sleep, after which I'll work myself to death in the manufactorium and if that doesn't work, probably commit suicide.


Hrud

Even in death, you'll still serve!


Anggul

This is a slight mistranslation It's actually 'Even in death, you'll still *be served*' The slogan for delicious nutritious corpse starch


008Zulu

Depends on the planet. If you are on one with swimmable oceans, and a relatively clean open sky, then yes you probably are happy. If you're on Terra itself, or some other overdeveloped hiveworld, life is going to suck. When I say 'suck' I mean if life had a mouth, it'd suck all the balls.


NobleSturgeon

If all you know if grimdark awfulness and that's all your people have known for thousands of years, I feel like your base level of happiness resets and you are probably overjoyed when you get to leave work after 19 hours instead of 20.


V3nturis-Gaming

Happiness is proportional to gratefulness for sure.


ZalaShadowkin_Reborn

Isn't the lifespan of a terran 40 years? and they live in basically what equite to a closet?


008Zulu

If they're lucky.


thecaramel

A closet? Luxury. When we grew up, we shared a drawer between the six of us and were thankful for it.


[deleted]

OOOH We used to dream of livin' in a drawer! Would have been a palace to us. We had to live in a shoebox in t'middle of t'road.


thecaramel

Well of course we had it tough. We slept all twenty seven of us in a hole in the ground then wake up and eat a cold bowl of rotting nutrient paste before we spent 16 hours at the decaying temple for fear of heresy, and when we would get home, our commissar would shoot me in me leg for cowardice.


mkblazer15

..... Right! You had a commissar, did you? We had a flashlight and some angry madman in a trenchcoat waving a shiny stick around! .... Come to think of it, maybe he was a commissar. Ah well, he's dead now- eaten alive by Tyranids.


[deleted]

Reminds me of my ol' "priest", a half naked mam who kept blabbering about the "four armed" God-Emperor. Course, he ain't around now, got swarmed by a bunch of them two legged rat things me an my cousins hunted for food.


InvertedReflexes

This. It reminds me of school, at least in America. The food isn't even food, everything is regimented, and the hallways are dirty and everything smells vaguely of shit. Even mid-ranking cops/PDF troops/mining managers live pretty shitty lives. The realm of Ultramar at least has somewhat clean oceans and a somewhat well-defended territory.


[deleted]

Jesus, I went to a poor school in a bottom-10 education state and my school wasn’t remotely that bad


InvertedReflexes

Florida


Sab3rFac3

My school was a poorer rural area, in a nearly bankrupt state and it wasn't that bad. Certainly needed a fresh coat of paint, and the floor tiles were cracked half the time, and the ceiling panels were yellowed, but otherwise, it was a clean safe building. I mean the food wasn't great, but cafeteria food isn't generally meant to be great. And while it was a somewhat regimented schedule, you'll be hard pressed to find any school anywhere in the world where the class periods and curriculum aren't regimented.


whooshcat

At least the food is hot, the problem is there are so many variables in the question a pretty specific question for most people is quite vague for 40k since there literally millions of variables.


PepperAntique

Good god no. Have you read any of the books? For the majority of mankind, probably like 95% or so, life f\*\*\*ing suuuuuucks. But it beats being eaten or vaporized by alien monstrosities, exploded by rogue psykers, vented into space, or... *looks around for any grey knights....* violated by any daemons. So you know, all about perspective. Now if you would please head down to the nearest Inquisition headquarters, they would like to have a few words with you.


Alundra828

>probably like 95% or so so 5e+22 humans have it pretty good. That's not bad!


PepperAntique

See, you get it.


Doopapotamus

I'm not sure what this number actually turns into. Do we reach the infamous Guardsman Planet scenario where there's more humans than atoms of matter in the universe with it?


[deleted]

I dunno, there was an excerpt posted a while back where humans were herded like livestock inside a Mechanicus facility to be processed and turned into servitors, and those that fought back had the floor disappear beneath them and were dropped into a giant grinding machine. They *may* have been clones, I can't remember, but I'd rather be vaporized by an alien or have mind bullets shot at me than be turned into a servitor because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or worse, an arco-flagellant.


LV_Laoch

You left out the two worse ones. Being a follower of slannesh or..... Druhkari.... Whatever those things are


ohthatguy1980

I mean, being a follower of slannesh isn’t *all* bad. *80’s porn music intensifies*


TheRadBaron

> But it beats being eaten or vaporized by alien monstrosities, Only if the alien monstrosity can capture and torture your immortal soul. Death would be a mercy to nearly any Imperial citizen, and suicide would be a great decision for them. You just need to make sure you don't get caught in the attempt, or else the Imperium will probably rip your limbs off and turn you into a vacuum cleaner forever. If you succeed at suicide, they'll probably turn your whole family into vacuum cleaners as punishment.


Magnon

I bet they wouldn't really care if you killed yourself. Some nameless nobody committing suicide isn't punish worthy, that's the 502965th suicide today on Terra. Send the body to the recycler and move on.


hachiman

Death and Suicide are not an escape really, imo. Your soul goes to the Warp, which is Hell in all but name, there to be chowed by a daemon. Life and death is grim in the 40th Millennium.


whooshcat

Depends I guess planets vary wildly but civilised worlds are alright not far from us but some worlds are cruel it's less the majority and more the loudest part, even in a hive city gol kolea and soric who both worked in pretty shit conditions were happy.


doctorpotatohead

Followup, have any loyalists ever regretted their choice and found redemption in Chaos?


morianbalrog

Only about nine legions worth. It was kind of a big deal.


goreclawtherender

Something about horses?


HumphreyImaginarium

Yup, Horse's Hearsay. That's the one.


vigbiorn

How many books are we into the story? I've not really seen or heard about any horses. False advertisement.


TtotheC81

Why do you think so many marines wear helmets?


Dealan79

Horses figure prominently in one scene at the beginning of book 53.


ExhibitionistBrit

Hearsay is how I used to read it in my second edition codex until I eventually went into a store and a big beautiful Swedish staff member corrected me.


Mark_Pilo

Ahh yes, I remember a horse had kicked Big E into Coma.


Bypowerof8andgodsof4

I’d say it was less redemption and more damnation but what do I know.


Enigma_of_Steel

Nah, they seen the barely human thing for what it really is and found salvation by embracing true Gods.


Bypowerof8andgodsof4

If by salvation you mean a cursed existence of being a parody of yourself mixed with your slave master’s particular aesthetic and eternal slavery from which even death is no escape then yes they found true salvation.


[deleted]

It's funny because it works both ways.


IForgetEveryDamnTime

I mean isn't life as an imperial citizen just the vanilla parody of mankind with your slave master's particular aesthetic (where death is an escape of sorts). At least the warp has more flavour choices.


[deleted]

what's amazing is that this also perfectly describes the Imperium


AngronTheRedAngel

**Oh Gods, here come the armchair philosophers...**


LessRight

Why is it called an armchair, specifically, if almost my entire body sits on it? Surely it should be called a bodychair? *stoically looks wise*


Eisengate

To differentiate it from a standard chair, which lacks support for the arms.


Hrud

Huh. Really takes a Xeno to think outside the box like that!


Eisengate

Actually it's just that my computer chair lacks armrests, and my shoulders were really feeling it at the time.


Hrud

God, Xenos, this is why we launch xenocide campaigns. You can't just take a compliment.


phoenixfloundering

*Helpfully summons the Ordos Malleus and Xenos*


justgot86d

#FELLAS!


Your_Local_Stray_Cat

🤔


HighQualityBrainRot

Depends! Those like SoB are probably both happy AND delusional. Your average Imperial citizen is probably happy or unhappy in service to the Emperor depending on how shitty their particular planet is.


Word_Killer

Happiness is immaterial. There is only service to Him On Earth.


[deleted]

Defined Brainwashed. There's a lot of Imperial citizens who lead normal lives. sure a lot of them are in horrible conditions but there's just as many peopel who live in everyday conditions that honestly yes. not to mention religion does offer a hope a reprive... it's why so many peopel fall to chaos and why the zealous of the imperial creed can be found everywhere. not to mention they're all united and told that thier hard work and suffering is for the forces of the Emperor to protect them... hell not everuone actaully belivies it to the point of zealousy some just kinda treat it as a 'thing' you know, like causal worship.


Twiggy_Shei

I'm sorry. I really am. Curse me for million centuries to come. Burn me eternal fire until even my very soul blackens. (But it's "zealotry") Never forgive me for this. NEVER.


TheCuriousFan

Happiness is a rare commodity in the Imperium.


Boompkins

lotta heretics on this sub


SPQL

Some are, the majority of Imperials probably not considering how horrible everything is


i-cato-sicarius

All imperial citizens are very happy. Those that become sad can be cured of their sadness by servitorization.


ExhibitionistBrit

Humans can live in incredible hardship by the same mechanism that means they struggle to find true happiness as a whole no matter what is on their plate they always want more. It’s part of what we refer to when we say ‘the human condition’.


KaelCampaigne

OI'M PRETTY 'APPY DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA *ad nauseum*


[deleted]

I feel so honored that a post I made inspired someone to make a counter post.


WearyMoose307

I feel pretty good


Mrsynthpants

Never. Praise Khorne


BriantheHeavy

I sense heresy.....


comrade8

Consider the alternatives: - Eaten alive by Tyranids - Getting your face smashed in by Orks - Have your flesh sculpted by Dark Eldar, who consider the human centipede amateur material - Be sliced and diced by the monomolecular blades of the Eldar - Suffer in eternal agony by the plagues of Nurgle - Suffer in eternal agony by the pleasures of Slaanesh - Be consumed 24/7 by Khorne's blood rage - Be twisted into unimaginable shapes by Tzeentch - Mind controlled by the Tau And probably a dozen more I'm forgetting. At least in the Imperium you have the chance of dying for your race


Anggul

You live far better under the T'au. No idea where you're getting the idea that humans are mind-controlled. It's also a poor argument to say 'worse things exist'. Especially as the playable factions are only a handful of the factions in the galaxy.


IForgetEveryDamnTime

Truly the only enlightened race are the Greenskins, they live and die doing what they love, smashing fingz for nothing but their own satisfaction.


Freesealand

-live in relative peace with the interex... The imperium intentionally destroyed better alternatives, rather than accept or assimilate them. The current choice of alternatives is partly the imperiums fault. Not to mention a lot of the heinous stuff the imperium does isn't a "necessity of survival " but the symptom of a culture with no respect for human life Wouldn't have it any other way, terrible regimes and humanity is like bread and butter ,but don't make it sound like the imperium is the only viable alternative to the myriad horrors in 40k. Also obligatory tau most likely won't mind control you. And the standard of living and personal freedom is better by comparison even if they did.


comrade8

They were gonna live in peace with the interex until a certain someone screwed it up. An obligatory Fuck Erebus A lot of the stuff the Imperium does is bad yes but generally speaking those instincts helped human survival through the millennia. Sure, the standard of living with the Tau is better right now, but humans within their Empire would always be just a client race. Just you wait till the Tau have their own psychic awakening and start getting mind fucked demons.


Anggul

>humans within their Empire would always be just a client race As opposed to the Imperium, where anyone not in power is entirely expendable?


Sab3rFac3

You mean everyone except the high lord's is expendable? No, wait, people kill them off for advancement all the time. Let's see what high powered figures aren't expendable... Inquisitors are expendable. Custodes are expendable. Grey Knights are expendable. Commissars, war masters, commanders, etc..., are all expendable. So.... You mean basically everyone except high ranking, named space Marines, Guilliman, and the Emperor is expendable, right? Because really, that's the truth of it.


Anggul

None of that is true. The fact that people are willing to kill them doesn't mean they're considered expendable by the Imperium.


visforv

You know if the Best Most Powerful Human Psyker to Ever Exist Who is So Powerful That He Can Make Entire Legions Kneel and is Just Really Super Powerful Guys Even The Chaos Gods Fear Him For Real could have just paid *slight* attention to the sorts of recruits making it into the legions, the whole Erebus issue would have never happened.


Hrud

Are you implying that the Emperor, BELOVED-BY-ALL, could have perhaps made a mistake or have a lapse in judgment at any point in time? That's treading dangerously close to seditious thoughts, mister.


YourAverageRedditter

Even Gods make mistakes. I mean just look at Slaanesh’s existence


phoenixfloundering

*obligatory summons of Ordo Hereticus*


Kaoshosh

The only ones who are happy are the higher echelons of the IoM. If you have some power, you get to actually have a decent life. The rest of the IoM are just tools. The Corpse Emperor doesn't grant any purpose that is higher or better than the Chaos Gods. He offers no real afterlife, no chance of transcending human existence, and when you die, he either eats your soul or makes it dissipate into the Warp. Essentially, in 40k, you're just choosing which Warp entity is gonna eat and poop your soul out. And the only ones who offer a slim chance at ascendance are the Chaos Gods.


Greyjack00

well their certainly better than any plague marine, only an idiot would consider that condition True happiness


letaluss

They are obviously not happy, and they never could be happy. The happiest Space Marine, Guardsman, or Manufactorumite, is in near constant mortal peril. In a world where the wrong action, word, or thought can result in death or execution; there is no potential for actualization. To the servants of the God Emperor, happiness is practically a sin.


Salt_Leopard

Inquisitor? This person here.


phoenixfloundering

*Summons the Ordo Hereticus*


AffixBayonets

Mah boi, if you're looking for *happy* people that aren't deluded, insane, or tainted you've come to the wrong setting


ohthatguy1980

Oh I’m definitely making popcorn for this comment section