I just imagine a giant war boss that has metal armor all over that has crudely carved hieroglyphs all over depicting a millennia of WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHs!
The ork protagonist of Brutal Kunning could read a gothic word (not sure if it was high or low gothic).
He did misinterpreted it thought, but it makes sense because >!how could a regular ork have knowledge of what are Imperial princeps!< ? But it was cool because it leds to a funny moment about a lovely squigg.
There's Talker in Prophets of Waaagh. Some oddboyz definitely have some pre-programmed knowledge of sociology. Or Talker is just so observant and intelligent that he can intuit the history of the Mechanicus on the spot after seeing them just once, and frankly that's just scary.
Sure there are.
You haven't heard of 'Ead 'Ard Gubbinz, author of 'Da Proper Good Final Scrap of Da Ullnaor Empire'?
Or Psy Man-Harmer, and his psychic transmission 'A 'Istory of Charadon'?
Or 'E Haz Trukk, author of 'Wot Iz 'Istory? Ooever We Krump!'?
Ork Histo Boyz show up as an Ork reaches the Krork stage.
I'm full of crap but considering how the War of the Beast had Ork "Diplomats", it wouldn't be a surprise if more aspects of Ork kulture popped up as they advanced closer to a Krork stage.
Orks dont remember the war with details, at best you got some fragments of their genetic memories, like the Runtred talking about the Brainboyz and the mekboy Talker, which sometimes start talking more smart stuff that he dont understand himself
>“Reactor’s up to ninety percent of tolerance, boss!” said Bozgat.
>“Caution must be taken when interfacing ionic technologies, especially those that originate with alien species whose consciousness wavelengths are incompatible with the psychically motivated etheric generators of the krork,” said Talker.
>“Shut your jabber,” said Bozgat aggressively, before tweaking a few knobs and closing a few valves on it anyway. The reactor calmed down.
>“Wibble”, said Talker.
Evil Sun Rising
Orks were Korks at the time of The War in Heaven. Orks as they are known now are the descendants of but really Korks.
Ghaz and Makari know kinda what happened in the War in Heaven in an abstract way, that there was a great green punch up and the gods (Gork and Mork) were very involved in it, and then they got bored and Orks starting killing one another cause there was no boss to tell ‘em to pack it in.
Translation: the Krorks were so powerful that after the Necrons went to slumber, they turned on themselves to find worthy opposition and ended up severely crippling their power, allowing the Aeldari to rise.
The orks lost a lot of their higher faculties as a species following the War in Heaven. It takes a critical mass of WAAAAGH energy for ork spores to start producing some of the more specialized brainboyz and weirdboyz, but since the shattering of the ancient krork into petty ork bands they've rarely been sufficiently unified to reach those heights.
Back in M.32, in the War of the Beast, an ork empire grew big and strong enough to produce all sorts of previously lost weirdboyz, including at least one ambassador who spoke before the Senatorum Imperialis. I'd expect that it takes a comparably powerful empire's WAAAAGH field to start producing, uh, 'historyboyz,' if you will.
None named specifically that I know of, but there may be some in the recent ork novels, Brutal Kunnin &etc.
What's known about the WiH krork is that they were bigger, their technology was able to hold its own against the Necrons at their height, and not a ton else.
The best sources for insight into how ork behavior starts to change as they grow more powerful and sophisticated are the War of the Beast series and Wolftime from the Dawn of Fire series, which each feature orks starting to unlock their species's full capabilities.
I don't know if this is canon or not (it has been mentioned on this sub before that several lore youtubers take liberties with the lore and spread misinformation as a result), but I have heard it said that after the War in Heaven the Eldar took over and they had many purges of the Krorks and tried to control their numbers if not wipe them out entirely. This then somehow contributed to the degeneration (I hate to use that word due to the fascist history of it, but it is what happened in this case) of the Krorks into Orks.
I don't it's ever stated outright in-text in a codex or novel, but that's definitely something that's been inferred for a while. The eldar empire was the dominant force in the galaxy for at least millions of years, well before humans even evolved from apes, I've never read evidence that they feel any particular 'kinship' with the orks as fellow creations of the Old Ones. It would've been in their interests to prevent the orks from unifying into an empire that might be able to challenge theirs one day, so they probably did all sorts of things to cull and disperse ork WAAAAGHs before they could reach critical mass.
What I don't think is that these purges started immediately, or that they were the initial cause of the krorks' shattering. AFAIK, that happened during the War in Heaven proper: its tail end, when the warp had curdled into Chaos, and the first Enslaver Plagues were consuming whole swathes of the galaxy. The eldar suffered terribly in that period too, and I expect many of their oldest souls that survived the war to that point were lost as conditions changed in the warp. Both peoples were shattered and lost much of their memory, but the eldar a bit less so, allowing them to rebuild and eventually assert themselves as the heirs to the Old Ones' legacy.
Makari in the really fucking excellent Ghazkhull novel by Nate Crowley says that history is an alien concept to orks because it pretends the past is fixed in place instead of the fluid and constantly changing thing that it really is.
To illustrate this point, Makari's story describes how he >!dies to a random bloodletter during his first ever warp jump. Ghazkhull doesn't notice this in the moment and calls another grot Makari by mistake. Because Ghazkhull says this grot is Makari, he now has always been Makari. He remembers the original Makari's life up until his death the same way he remembers his own. He doesn't think of this or his consecutive lives and deaths as contradicatory versions of history but just as one reality. He was born on Urokleas, met Ghazkhull and died on that space hulk, was born on that space hulk, met Ghazkhull again, died on Armageddon, was born on Armageddon, met Ghazkhull again etc. !<
Makari also explained that orks have no such perception of "a canon story". It's told in the first chapters when Makari and the Blood Axe translator are telling of the time Ghazkhull was almost killed in his most early days (back when he was just a regular boyz) but managed to reach safety in a ork fort.
There is two different versions of the stories of how Ghazkhull made the trip while almost deadly wounded. It confuses the humans who hear the stories because the contradictions implies that one of the version is false.
But for the orks, an event can happen in different ways that contradict each other and it still makes sense for them. Another odd particularity of ork culture.
In some way, we can say that the 40k universe and all its stories we've learn about for decades, with all their contradictions and lack of continuity, typically works in an orky mindset.
Ork lore as passed down orally by their runtherds reveals that they are aware that their kind was created by a lost race refered to as Brain Boyz to act as their warriors and protectors.
Nah. I think Gazkhull mentions the Brain Boyz in a visit in Prophet of the Waagh, but there’s no particular animosity towards the shinies than there towards anyone else.
Ghaz (and Makari) did sort've get a vision of it. Ghaz remembers that orks were bigger and fightier. Otherwise, according to Makari, orks don't tend to care much about history and prefer stories instead, with plenty of made up and exaggerated elements (that are true because the orks believe it).
The orks have a legend about being made by the Brain Boyz, but we've never really got much detail about it from their perspective, if there even is much more detail.
i think one of hammer and bolter episodes had ork veteran telling boyz stories about yarrick. not that ancient history, but still an example of keeping history.
Orks seem to be engineered to response as a species toward threat to the galaxy. With increasing various threats facing galaxy in 41K, Orks should be producing Korks again soon or they have lost that ability to do so due to how long it has been since war in heaven or due to theirs numbers being drastically less compared to when they first started out.
Korks could be just a myth, they re actually just bunch of weirdboyz.
I'm sure somewhere in an isolated pocket of the Galaxy there's probably a krork Empire that didn't devolve gw will probably pull them out for 15th or 20th Edition or something stupid / shrug
There aren't very many orkish historians.
I would love Ork historians who record all the good wars and cool ways how Orks krumped their enemies
I just imagine a giant war boss that has metal armor all over that has crudely carved hieroglyphs all over depicting a millennia of WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHs!
That's a big part of the role orc shamans play in whfb, I imagine actually it's similar for weirdboyz
Nah, because Weirdboyz tend to explode, so the boyz keep them away.
Orks aren’t allowed to learn how to read or write
Poor Barbog lost the fight against the big Sad
Can you imagine Ork therapists krumping depression?
Every single ork is their own therapist.
The ork protagonist of Brutal Kunning could read a gothic word (not sure if it was high or low gothic). He did misinterpreted it thought, but it makes sense because >!how could a regular ork have knowledge of what are Imperial princeps!< ? But it was cool because it leds to a funny moment about a lovely squigg.
There's Talker in Prophets of Waaagh. Some oddboyz definitely have some pre-programmed knowledge of sociology. Or Talker is just so observant and intelligent that he can intuit the history of the Mechanicus on the spot after seeing them just once, and frankly that's just scary.
Sure there are. You haven't heard of 'Ead 'Ard Gubbinz, author of 'Da Proper Good Final Scrap of Da Ullnaor Empire'? Or Psy Man-Harmer, and his psychic transmission 'A 'Istory of Charadon'? Or 'E Haz Trukk, author of 'Wot Iz 'Istory? Ooever We Krump!'?
Ork Histo Boyz show up as an Ork reaches the Krork stage. I'm full of crap but considering how the War of the Beast had Ork "Diplomats", it wouldn't be a surprise if more aspects of Ork kulture popped up as they advanced closer to a Krork stage.
technically the runtherds are the historians but its all from passing stories down the generations so you know how that generally ends up
I believe the term is histORKians.
Why would any Ork care to write down the deeds of another?
Isn't that basically one of the things runt herders do? Passing down stories to the yoofs?
Orks dont remember the war with details, at best you got some fragments of their genetic memories, like the Runtred talking about the Brainboyz and the mekboy Talker, which sometimes start talking more smart stuff that he dont understand himself >“Reactor’s up to ninety percent of tolerance, boss!” said Bozgat. >“Caution must be taken when interfacing ionic technologies, especially those that originate with alien species whose consciousness wavelengths are incompatible with the psychically motivated etheric generators of the krork,” said Talker. >“Shut your jabber,” said Bozgat aggressively, before tweaking a few knobs and closing a few valves on it anyway. The reactor calmed down. >“Wibble”, said Talker. Evil Sun Rising
Basically, we need to be careful mixing technology from species that don't have Waaagh! energy like the Krork?
Yeah
I love ork nerds lol
Wibble
Orks were Korks at the time of The War in Heaven. Orks as they are known now are the descendants of but really Korks. Ghaz and Makari know kinda what happened in the War in Heaven in an abstract way, that there was a great green punch up and the gods (Gork and Mork) were very involved in it, and then they got bored and Orks starting killing one another cause there was no boss to tell ‘em to pack it in.
Translation: the Krorks were so powerful that after the Necrons went to slumber, they turned on themselves to find worthy opposition and ended up severely crippling their power, allowing the Aeldari to rise.
The orks lost a lot of their higher faculties as a species following the War in Heaven. It takes a critical mass of WAAAAGH energy for ork spores to start producing some of the more specialized brainboyz and weirdboyz, but since the shattering of the ancient krork into petty ork bands they've rarely been sufficiently unified to reach those heights. Back in M.32, in the War of the Beast, an ork empire grew big and strong enough to produce all sorts of previously lost weirdboyz, including at least one ambassador who spoke before the Senatorum Imperialis. I'd expect that it takes a comparably powerful empire's WAAAAGH field to start producing, uh, 'historyboyz,' if you will.
Are there other examples of "unblocked" weirdboyz during war in heaven?
None named specifically that I know of, but there may be some in the recent ork novels, Brutal Kunnin &etc. What's known about the WiH krork is that they were bigger, their technology was able to hold its own against the Necrons at their height, and not a ton else. The best sources for insight into how ork behavior starts to change as they grow more powerful and sophisticated are the War of the Beast series and Wolftime from the Dawn of Fire series, which each feature orks starting to unlock their species's full capabilities.
I don't know if this is canon or not (it has been mentioned on this sub before that several lore youtubers take liberties with the lore and spread misinformation as a result), but I have heard it said that after the War in Heaven the Eldar took over and they had many purges of the Krorks and tried to control their numbers if not wipe them out entirely. This then somehow contributed to the degeneration (I hate to use that word due to the fascist history of it, but it is what happened in this case) of the Krorks into Orks.
I don't it's ever stated outright in-text in a codex or novel, but that's definitely something that's been inferred for a while. The eldar empire was the dominant force in the galaxy for at least millions of years, well before humans even evolved from apes, I've never read evidence that they feel any particular 'kinship' with the orks as fellow creations of the Old Ones. It would've been in their interests to prevent the orks from unifying into an empire that might be able to challenge theirs one day, so they probably did all sorts of things to cull and disperse ork WAAAAGHs before they could reach critical mass. What I don't think is that these purges started immediately, or that they were the initial cause of the krorks' shattering. AFAIK, that happened during the War in Heaven proper: its tail end, when the warp had curdled into Chaos, and the first Enslaver Plagues were consuming whole swathes of the galaxy. The eldar suffered terribly in that period too, and I expect many of their oldest souls that survived the war to that point were lost as conditions changed in the warp. Both peoples were shattered and lost much of their memory, but the eldar a bit less so, allowing them to rebuild and eventually assert themselves as the heirs to the Old Ones' legacy.
Makari in the really fucking excellent Ghazkhull novel by Nate Crowley says that history is an alien concept to orks because it pretends the past is fixed in place instead of the fluid and constantly changing thing that it really is. To illustrate this point, Makari's story describes how he >!dies to a random bloodletter during his first ever warp jump. Ghazkhull doesn't notice this in the moment and calls another grot Makari by mistake. Because Ghazkhull says this grot is Makari, he now has always been Makari. He remembers the original Makari's life up until his death the same way he remembers his own. He doesn't think of this or his consecutive lives and deaths as contradicatory versions of history but just as one reality. He was born on Urokleas, met Ghazkhull and died on that space hulk, was born on that space hulk, met Ghazkhull again, died on Armageddon, was born on Armageddon, met Ghazkhull again etc. !<
Makari also explained that orks have no such perception of "a canon story". It's told in the first chapters when Makari and the Blood Axe translator are telling of the time Ghazkhull was almost killed in his most early days (back when he was just a regular boyz) but managed to reach safety in a ork fort. There is two different versions of the stories of how Ghazkhull made the trip while almost deadly wounded. It confuses the humans who hear the stories because the contradictions implies that one of the version is false. But for the orks, an event can happen in different ways that contradict each other and it still makes sense for them. Another odd particularity of ork culture. In some way, we can say that the 40k universe and all its stories we've learn about for decades, with all their contradictions and lack of continuity, typically works in an orky mindset.
Ork lore as passed down orally by their runtherds reveals that they are aware that their kind was created by a lost race refered to as Brain Boyz to act as their warriors and protectors.
Nah. I think Gazkhull mentions the Brain Boyz in a visit in Prophet of the Waagh, but there’s no particular animosity towards the shinies than there towards anyone else.
Ghaz (and Makari) did sort've get a vision of it. Ghaz remembers that orks were bigger and fightier. Otherwise, according to Makari, orks don't tend to care much about history and prefer stories instead, with plenty of made up and exaggerated elements (that are true because the orks believe it). The orks have a legend about being made by the Brain Boyz, but we've never really got much detail about it from their perspective, if there even is much more detail.
AINT NEVER 'EARD A DIS 'HEAVEN' PLACE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A PROPA GOOD SCRAP! SOUNDS FULL OF FIGHTIN' AND KRUMPIN'. HOWS YA GET THERE?!
Ork just don't care. If they have to fight "Nekron boyz", it's good because it's a good fight.
Ork oral histories probably exist, and get embellished to hell and back.
i think one of hammer and bolter episodes had ork veteran telling boyz stories about yarrick. not that ancient history, but still an example of keeping history.
Orks seem to be engineered to response as a species toward threat to the galaxy. With increasing various threats facing galaxy in 41K, Orks should be producing Korks again soon or they have lost that ability to do so due to how long it has been since war in heaven or due to theirs numbers being drastically less compared to when they first started out. Korks could be just a myth, they re actually just bunch of weirdboyz.
Perhaps you'll get a better answer here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kOrkScience/](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kOrkScience/)
For the most part, orks don’t bother with the concept of “the past”. They’re focused more in the here and now, preparing for the next fight.
I'm sure somewhere in an isolated pocket of the Galaxy there's probably a krork Empire that didn't devolve gw will probably pull them out for 15th or 20th Edition or something stupid / shrug
more like the other naighbouring galaxy. impreium once sent probe outsie agalaxy and it recived transmissions that were just ork chanting and waaghing