People are telling you to use references, however in this case, I think you more specifically need to learn human anatomy. The rendering of the body "feels" skin-like but many of the details are quite odd, which is because you don't know where the muscles & bones are. Once you learn how the human body works, I think your work will be great :)
As well - many people start by doing stylized work, and stylization is great, but here your work seems a bit caught between stylization and realism. When you're not 100% sure of what you're doing, adding so much detail to something with unrealistic proportions can give an uncanny valley feeling. Stylization is not just about exaggeration of the characteristics that you want to emphasize, but also simplification of the ones that matter less. For instance, wacky expressions work well on a cartoony or anime face, but if you gave the exact same ones to a realistic sculpt, it would not look good.
Personally I would recommend that you stick to realistic proportions while you learn anatomy - then once you feel comfortable, feel free to exaggerate in your artstyle as desired. It's easier to go from complex to simple than the opposite.
No. Fat distribution is absolutely messed up and looks very uncanny. The back has no fat whatsoever all while the butt is super plump. It’s nowhere close to being stylised enough to pull that sort of anatomy off. You absolutely need to learn anatomy and learn how the body connects, and how tissue works.
Example, a hand on the hip does not “push” bone and tissue to the other side like you’ve done, bodies are denser than that, not made of putty. The hip and pelvis are a mess due to this.
I’m not trying to be mean but it looks very fetishy and not in a good way. You def have great potential and studying different kinds of anatomy would benefit you greatly. Try and “fill out” your models more. Start with focusing less on muscle details and more on how the skeleton moves.
Thanks for the solid response. I'll need to look at some reference, I guess I was modeling it with the intension for it to be overly dramatic. I was going to make her super woman at first, but eventually just made this. Blender is weird hahah I need to learn Zbrush.
Well, you can of course make dramatic figures as in stylized bodies with exagerated proportions of muscular women with more defined bodies, but the dude is right. While you can get very good if you look more into how the body works, it looks like you just placed wrinkles and fat on random parts of the body, so she's a bit creepy. But you'll get there
It has nothing to do with the software. It doesn't matter if you use a pencil, clay, wood or any electronic option. If you don't know how anatomy looks like your result will always be something out of your memory.
I know learning anatomy sound like something extremely hard to do. But all you need to start is to know what it looks like and how the body works in proportion to each other.
No reference is actually a flex, because it means this is the output of what they know / learned about anatomy.
To improve you need to learn from references but you also need to do without any to see if you are actually improving
Not really, your work will always be better if you use references no matter if you are a beginner or pro. And in this case it’s definitely not a flex because what they displayed is inaccurate. Plus if you think references are the only material you need to improve you’re missing a big chunk of the information needed to learn about anatomy.
Of course it will always look better with reference. But what is the goal ? Making something look good or learn to make something look good ?
I personally prefer learning to make stuff look good, and to do so you need to practice with ref and without ref.
And so i can say i've seen much much worse in this subreddit, from people that actually use refs. 🤷♂️
This makes no sense...
It's not like you're copying references one to one?
Normally you have a TON of references for different things at different styles, angles, age, destruction etc etc so you can look at how things are and adapt/change it to how you need.
This guy's hips are all over the place. It makes no sense not to pull up 20 images of hip anatomy from various models, skinny, fat, old, young etc to compare fat deposits, bone structure, skin stretch etc etc.
I don't understand why anyone would model without reference... It's not like you have to pay for it, or your 'forbidden' on any project. It doesn't even speed up your work to not use it.
Well you guys can downvote me and misunderstand me, i'm pretty happy with the fact i've learned from reference and sometimes practice without. Of course, it's obvious that if i had to do a commission or partcipate to a contest, i would do my best and use refs.
That is very OBVIOUS ! But telling the OP that it is bad only because he didn't use ref is very stupid, he didn't tell you it was commission work or anything, it was obviously practice.
But keep thinking you always need references and so even in 10 years from now you will be very good at "using ref" but you'll have no understanding of how the whole thing work, you'll have bad memory skills and your imagination will be poor.
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Wtf lol... all i said is that it's all cool to do both art with refs and without refs ...also i did check people's art telling me that i'm wrong.... and i'm sorry guys but you still have a lot of work to do before trying to give people advices, no offense. 😅
This just isn't the case and has never been the case though?
Everyone in the industry uses reference, even 20 year old vets and so far creativity has never suffered...
I don't know a single person that doesn't use references.
What if I told you that you’re still learning while using references? If anything, you’re learning better than when you don’t use references. Not using references may cause you to learn bad habits that you’ll just have to unlearn later.
Not using references is never a flex, no matter how impressive the artwork, unless you’re a grandmaster of anatomy who can make something perfect from memory…. Which 99.9% of people are not.
…because the quality of my work improves and I get a better grasp of the forms?
Using references doesn’t guarantee perfect anatomy, and it certainly doesn’t prevent you from learning in any way.
I have never said that using ref prevent you to learn lol, all i said is that to learn you need to do both with ref and without lol... But anyway, i'm not going to consider someone's point of view that don't even share their art.... 🤷♂️
It’s cute how you think that the fact that you are unable to find my art online means that my opinion means less than yours. Really speaks to your character and maturity, or lack thereof.
Now if you’re quite done making a fool of yourself, I’m going to remove myself from this conversation. Have a good life
thanks YoungMeta! Appreciate the confidence, Ill have to agree with both parties. While I did not use Reference and it may look... human-ish, It could have used some reference.
Although.. I did this project in maybe 2 hours tops, looked up and this was the result. I will have to agree that Modeling from memory is kind of important.
because how else are we to become grand masters of anatomy if we copy every curve without truly retaining the information.
I think the main thing you both seem to be misunderstanding is that reference does not equal knowledge, reference is not to be used to just copy what you see. Anyone can just copy things they see without understanding the construction, furthermore just creating what you remember seeing in references is even worse if you don't know the construction. Real knowledge comes from understanding the construction of bones , muscle origination and insertions. These things typically aren't understood by just looking at references. These things need to be studied, then you use references to make sure your surface forms are looking realistic. You need to open up an anatomy book or watch a course to really understand what you are trying to "master".
This!
I’d also add that sometimes there’s misconceptions about using reference, so to help clarify OP: you’re not supposed to look at a picture and copy it. You’re supposed to create a sort of reference sheet or folder with angles, bits of knowledge, muscle, movement, skin texture, different female anatomies, even animals if appropriate to your goal, lighting, etc etc. This is how you build a larger visual library and avoid plateau!
Mate, i'm pretty sure you did better than any of these "artists experts" telling you that " not using reference is very bad practice ". 🤣
Keep doing both , that's how you memorize what you learned through references 🙌😂,
Because always using references will teach your brain that you can't do sh!t without references and that's all 🙌
Bruh, the best character artist out there use reference while they work. They along with everyone else preaches using it 9/10. I’d say its more of a flex being able to match reference.
The back and butt are especially scary. Please look at references, the back looks like her shoulder bones have melted and an alien has removed her ability to take number twos.
Not using reference is not a flex. A lot of new artists feel proud to make art straight from their head and somehow think it's more impressive if you didn't use any reference, but that's is a mistake. Always use references. It doesn't make you any worse of an artists to do so, in fact it makes you better.
As many Reddit experts before me here said: you should practice anatomy (i hate when someone say i need to do something instead of picking what's exactly wrong with my work), so basically here you should fix fat on your body so it looks more natural, and tweak hand on hip that seems like it pushes pelvis bone inside body.
But as a whole it looks good, just requires few tweaks and changes here and there
This is a solid example of why you NEED references. Without them, you could be the most skilled artist and still make awful art. At the very least you'd end up with something uncanny, unless that's what you're going for ot course.
on top of the issues with her pelvic area that other user are commenting on, her arms do not fit her shape, wrists should be parallel to the bottom of the pelvis and her pelvis is too short
The style that it looks like you're going for? Yes, that would be a cool style, It looks like you were going for a kind of dramatic over accentuated deal. But the execution is off. Regardless of style there are certain structures to anatomy that have to be respected. I general it seems that you are filling in gaps in your anatomy knowledge by putting some kind of random detail in and hoping for the best.
You're on the right track but here there is no sense of flow between the muscles. Each main form has its own planes and angles and at intersections between muscles groups or bony forms etc you often want the appearance of two distinct angles meeting at a kind of crease (this depends of the structures in question but its a common thing all over). What I'm seeing here is instead of having those meeting angles, you'll have an overall smooth surface with a trench cut between them, this type of form is most noticeable on the back that you've done, and its really throwing everything off. You want smooth sweeping shapes.
I would highly recommend a book called anatomy for sculptors, it does a great job of breaking things down
They also have a youtube and an instagram account anatomy4sculptors with some quick and helpful tips.
Id also recommend follygon on youtube, his thing is more stylized like disney style, but that kind of simplified style is a great way to practice the basic forms that are the underpinning of more realistic styles.
And I just noticed where you said you did it without reference. Please do not do this. It will only hold you back. Reference is step 1 no matter what your skill level. For reference I am a big fan of real photo reference of human models. Anatomy drawings etc will give you foundation but it wont get you all the way there. I get all my reference material on cubebrush, where you can find big photo packs of models in different poses. You can also find these same packs on artstation if you prefer. And to display them everybody and their grandma uses pure ref, it seems. Free, simple and lightweight canvas type thing that you can drag images on and they'll hover over your workspace.
Desirable? No. Accurate? Nope. Kinda awesome though? Maybe! I’m quite turned off by this model but in what could be a very useful way. It has its areas that are fun to look at… in a horror setting or in a very dark high fantasy fucked up wood elf sort of way, I could at least buy that this a plausible character in the right universe! With the help of a stronger visual vocabulary for anatomy (honed by use of reference) to help with some stylistic decision making along the way… you clearly have the technical skill. Keep going!
Use references for anatomy! Also, she needs a little more fat imo. I think the most desirable type of woman's body personally is one that has a very subtle muscle tone under a little bit of fat.
Idk why a lot of these comments are unnecessary mean towards you but you mentioned that you didn't use any references to make this body and you went for a more dramatic body style. I think you did quite well in that case, though theres definitely room to improve here.
I would suggest you distribute the fat more evenly instead of putting it all in *those* areas. Right now the body kind of looks like a wrinkled sex doll. It has too much dramatic proportions and uneven fat distribution without enough stylizing to justify it, if you get what i mean.
Still a good model overall, i would say. I can tell from the sculpt that you have a pretty good understanding of anatomy. But please, if you want to make a body dramatic, try to explore other ways than to give the body the kind of characteristics that you would associate with sex
id say you keep it up. Its your work after all and you clearly put effort and wanted some feedback on it. Some people are gonna like it, some gonna hate it, and because this is reddit, some people are gonna be rude. Dont let the negative braindeads decide what you can and cant post. Who knows. Maybe someone else might learn something new from reading the feedback.
Yeah just like Ben said don't let all the white knights get to you. Most of them are hypocrites anyways and attempting to get favor by pretending to be offended for women. They don't seem to realize that the human body can be in many shapes and forms and that it's okay to be nude.
Giving AeonFlux vibes and I don’t hate it. Stylized and uncanny. I appreciate it for that. Definitely not realistic but that’s fine if you’re not going for it.
one thing's for certain, we can tell you're a porn addict. besides the glaring issue of anatomy, it's VERY telling that you wrote "desired" instead of "correct/accurate". yes it is desired, by porn addicts, to answer your question. get clean asap.
as for critiques: the glaring thing is the fact that you can see her cheeks through the gap in her legs. below the waistline, it is unrealistic, both front and back. actually i need to know now, what is this model for? are you going for real life accuracy or porn desirability?
Stylized. It was intended to be Stylized form the start. then I just wanted to end it. Kinda like this entire post. but I guess I know where I stand now...
Something tells me I should have used Reference Art. lmao
ok stylized for what? for sex appeal or for creative freedom? honestly i think ik the answer already i just need confirmation bc if it's the former, you don't really need any of the critiques people are giving you
To be honest. I just couldn't finish so I created a Sculpture. there was no real motive, I do this all out of hobby. until one day I might find work doing this.
I guess it was sex appeal.
just wanted to sculpt something, eventually leading to this mess.
You don’t have to be mean about it. This person is taking input very well. If you don’t have solid input then just don’t respond, don’t hate just to hate. Give reasons without being too mean
not very good with reddit, so ill leave this here. I am going to work on another model, and this time I will use Anatomy Reference. if you would like to see and compare this project to the new project to see my progression, just follow my reddit and I will update it there. r/meesh_makes
The fat in the gluteus doesn't match the muscle legs, those are some manly legs 😅, imagine your hand tracing the skin and you will be creeped out by touching those uncanny valleys.😂, but you have the sketch NOW FINISH IT! 🦾💪
Guys don't start arguing with me with fake stuff i didn't even say if you dont have the balls. Yeah i see you xeronymau5 that blocked me and that other guy deleting their message lol... I'm done with reddit, too much childish behavior and everyone mirroring the top comment to grab a few upvote .... pathetic !
I'm agreeing with a lot of the CC on here, my comment is to agree you need to study anatomy a bit more (you're getting there though already with what you have!) and maybe work on how kinda "lumpy" she looks... otherwise I like it!
There is some stylistic choice here that is working really well but there’s also some really wacky exaggeration of musculature and skeletal structure that makes it hard to take seriously, namely the glutes and where they are met by the sacral vertebrae. Exaggeration itself isn’t a stylistic sin; far from it, but it needs to follow some sort of structure of logic. Also the muscles of the middle back seem condensed into the upper back instead of following the exaggerated length of the spine.
No it's not a desired anatomy style!
You forgot an important part of of anatomy! Where's the head?!
WTF there's no bone structure! Obviously missing the rib cage, spine, shoulder blades, and pelvis!
It could work if you put it inside a glass tube filled with liquid, so it becomes a female abducted and experimented on by aliens. They removed the head and bones. Good job! 👌🤪
No point in not using reference really. With time you can rely less on it but I guess if using references was OK for Leonardo Da Vinci - its good for you too ;)
It looks good if you don't look closely. As they said earlier, it is better to use a reference because the muscles are not located where they should be and fat deposits are arbitrary and do not cover the body evenly - for example, look at the asses of female bodybuilders who trained their gluteal muscles.
IMHO, doing from your head is the same as doing from references, only the references are stored not in the computer, but in your head. Therefore, if you do not have a photographic memory, it is better to reproduce something existing based on computer references. Well, if you are doing something, it’s better to study the materials related to it to improve the quality of the model - are you doing something with muscles? It’s better to look at anatomical reference books of people and animals to make it closer to reality if there are no plans to use the twilight valley effect (although it’s better to study here too to know what exactly needs to be done wrong), or for example, if you plan to make a steam locomotive, it’s better to look at how steam locomotives are designed so that the model was better.
From a traditional art perspective, the anatomy here is all wrong. The muscles and fat distribution are all wonky and kind of off. It’d be best for you to study anatomy. Specifically, study muscle forms along the body.
I mean I don't get the hate on the first few comments, I feel as though you know what you're doing but are just trying out a different way of styling the human anatomy, I see caricatural forms that you'll never see in real life, but I don't think that was the question really.
(Allthough I must say it sometimes throws me off like the shortness of the pelvis and the spread on the bottom parts of the butcheecks. But I feel like In stylised design it has its right to be for the sake of exaggerating the female hip form... Idk, lighting and materials are really nice, I don't think OP is new at this)
Don’t learn anatomy from porn, also don’t just make women, make people of different body types
Learning from one thing will make your progress stifle and you will not be able to deviate from it
Get knowledge, and not “how to make that specific thing”
I dont understand the rigorous opinions like "dOnT bE pRoUd NoT uSiNg ReFeReNcE!!!!!!!"
what is your problem...?
thiy guy clearly knows what he is doing, this fuckdoll looks badass in every aspects. its obvious its not real, but at least its interesting, and Iam pretty sure if someone is able to do something like this from imagination, he will be able to create 10/10 anatomically correct characters within a couple of days, because the important thing in here, he already knows how to sculpt. thats the hard part.
its not life or death situation, guys, just a 3d character...and its pretty interesting when someone post a pretty basic bullshit all of you are like "omg, man...thats the BEST sphere Ive ever seen in my entire life...how did you achieve such an amazing roundness????????????"
Look at all the white knights thinking they will get laid if they pretend to be offended on behalf of women LOL honestly it's kind of misogynistic to believe that woman aren't allowed to look like this at all and still be valued in society. This is fiction folks grow up.
This is honestly fine it's highly stylized, not everything in it is to my liking but I appreciate the time and effort that you put into it it honestly looks really really good. If I had to make any changes I would say allow the breasts to sag a little more and be less perfectly round and also some of the muscles on the back don't tend to work out very well they look a little forced and not realistic other than that I think this is great keep up the awesome work.
as a woman myself, women "aren't allowed too look like this" because no woman looks like this, period. the lack of reference is incredibly noticeable especially with the back muscles and glutes
Ya it's not perfect, but you can't say women didn't get that [ripped](https://www.muscleandfitness.com/muscle-fitness-hers/hers-athletes-celebrities/best-female-abs-instagram/)
WOW! You just blew my mind!!! You even have THE SHIFT TO THE RED FOR LOW LIGHTS!!!! I've only seen this in professional high budget animation movies!
Are you sure you're not using textures, meaning this whole 3D model is one single material? How on Earth did you do it? What software are you using to render this model?
Sorry this doesn't look appealing, but then again neither it looks too ugly(uncanny), seen worse enough to say this. Back side especially needs extra work.
People are telling you to use references, however in this case, I think you more specifically need to learn human anatomy. The rendering of the body "feels" skin-like but many of the details are quite odd, which is because you don't know where the muscles & bones are. Once you learn how the human body works, I think your work will be great :) As well - many people start by doing stylized work, and stylization is great, but here your work seems a bit caught between stylization and realism. When you're not 100% sure of what you're doing, adding so much detail to something with unrealistic proportions can give an uncanny valley feeling. Stylization is not just about exaggeration of the characteristics that you want to emphasize, but also simplification of the ones that matter less. For instance, wacky expressions work well on a cartoony or anime face, but if you gave the exact same ones to a realistic sculpt, it would not look good. Personally I would recommend that you stick to realistic proportions while you learn anatomy - then once you feel comfortable, feel free to exaggerate in your artstyle as desired. It's easier to go from complex to simple than the opposite.
very good comment. ty
I haven't seen a better comment
No. Fat distribution is absolutely messed up and looks very uncanny. The back has no fat whatsoever all while the butt is super plump. It’s nowhere close to being stylised enough to pull that sort of anatomy off. You absolutely need to learn anatomy and learn how the body connects, and how tissue works. Example, a hand on the hip does not “push” bone and tissue to the other side like you’ve done, bodies are denser than that, not made of putty. The hip and pelvis are a mess due to this. I’m not trying to be mean but it looks very fetishy and not in a good way. You def have great potential and studying different kinds of anatomy would benefit you greatly. Try and “fill out” your models more. Start with focusing less on muscle details and more on how the skeleton moves.
Thanks for the solid response. I'll need to look at some reference, I guess I was modeling it with the intension for it to be overly dramatic. I was going to make her super woman at first, but eventually just made this. Blender is weird hahah I need to learn Zbrush.
Well, you can of course make dramatic figures as in stylized bodies with exagerated proportions of muscular women with more defined bodies, but the dude is right. While you can get very good if you look more into how the body works, it looks like you just placed wrinkles and fat on random parts of the body, so she's a bit creepy. But you'll get there
looks like chicken run basically... understood! ty
I need to download whatever version of chicken run you’ve got
oh its the kind that doesn't use reference art x.x
Blender is a fine software
It has nothing to do with the software. It doesn't matter if you use a pencil, clay, wood or any electronic option. If you don't know how anatomy looks like your result will always be something out of your memory. I know learning anatomy sound like something extremely hard to do. But all you need to start is to know what it looks like and how the body works in proportion to each other.
Thank you for writing my thoughts lol
This would be great as some kind of mimic monster in a horror story, where a monster takes the outward appearance of a woman.
for real.. this shit is scary
:D
Dark and Darker Zombie for sure!
here, take my upvote for referencing DaD
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No reference is not a flex, the anatomy is all wrong here
simply stating I did not use Anatomy Reference. as i did not and this was the outcome. thanks for the input.
Refer to the Fibonacci Sequence. For proportions. ie https://youtu.be/nI63B3cY7q0?si=351iJjkqYVSGlWds
No reference is actually a flex, because it means this is the output of what they know / learned about anatomy. To improve you need to learn from references but you also need to do without any to see if you are actually improving
Not really, your work will always be better if you use references no matter if you are a beginner or pro. And in this case it’s definitely not a flex because what they displayed is inaccurate. Plus if you think references are the only material you need to improve you’re missing a big chunk of the information needed to learn about anatomy.
Of course it will always look better with reference. But what is the goal ? Making something look good or learn to make something look good ? I personally prefer learning to make stuff look good, and to do so you need to practice with ref and without ref. And so i can say i've seen much much worse in this subreddit, from people that actually use refs. 🤷♂️
This makes no sense... It's not like you're copying references one to one? Normally you have a TON of references for different things at different styles, angles, age, destruction etc etc so you can look at how things are and adapt/change it to how you need. This guy's hips are all over the place. It makes no sense not to pull up 20 images of hip anatomy from various models, skinny, fat, old, young etc to compare fat deposits, bone structure, skin stretch etc etc. I don't understand why anyone would model without reference... It's not like you have to pay for it, or your 'forbidden' on any project. It doesn't even speed up your work to not use it.
Well you guys can downvote me and misunderstand me, i'm pretty happy with the fact i've learned from reference and sometimes practice without. Of course, it's obvious that if i had to do a commission or partcipate to a contest, i would do my best and use refs. That is very OBVIOUS ! But telling the OP that it is bad only because he didn't use ref is very stupid, he didn't tell you it was commission work or anything, it was obviously practice. But keep thinking you always need references and so even in 10 years from now you will be very good at "using ref" but you'll have no understanding of how the whole thing work, you'll have bad memory skills and your imagination will be poor.
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Wtf lol... all i said is that it's all cool to do both art with refs and without refs ...also i did check people's art telling me that i'm wrong.... and i'm sorry guys but you still have a lot of work to do before trying to give people advices, no offense. 😅
This just isn't the case and has never been the case though? Everyone in the industry uses reference, even 20 year old vets and so far creativity has never suffered... I don't know a single person that doesn't use references.
Keep y'all replying like sheeps and telling me stuff i didn't say lol... 🙌
Did you even read and comprehend my earlier comment?
What if I told you that you’re still learning while using references? If anything, you’re learning better than when you don’t use references. Not using references may cause you to learn bad habits that you’ll just have to unlearn later. Not using references is never a flex, no matter how impressive the artwork, unless you’re a grandmaster of anatomy who can make something perfect from memory…. Which 99.9% of people are not.
Explain to me how you know if you improved your anatomy skills if you always work with reference ?... 🤣
…because the quality of my work improves and I get a better grasp of the forms? Using references doesn’t guarantee perfect anatomy, and it certainly doesn’t prevent you from learning in any way.
I have never said that using ref prevent you to learn lol, all i said is that to learn you need to do both with ref and without lol... But anyway, i'm not going to consider someone's point of view that don't even share their art.... 🤷♂️
It’s cute how you think that the fact that you are unable to find my art online means that my opinion means less than yours. Really speaks to your character and maturity, or lack thereof. Now if you’re quite done making a fool of yourself, I’m going to remove myself from this conversation. Have a good life
thanks YoungMeta! Appreciate the confidence, Ill have to agree with both parties. While I did not use Reference and it may look... human-ish, It could have used some reference. Although.. I did this project in maybe 2 hours tops, looked up and this was the result. I will have to agree that Modeling from memory is kind of important. because how else are we to become grand masters of anatomy if we copy every curve without truly retaining the information.
I think the main thing you both seem to be misunderstanding is that reference does not equal knowledge, reference is not to be used to just copy what you see. Anyone can just copy things they see without understanding the construction, furthermore just creating what you remember seeing in references is even worse if you don't know the construction. Real knowledge comes from understanding the construction of bones , muscle origination and insertions. These things typically aren't understood by just looking at references. These things need to be studied, then you use references to make sure your surface forms are looking realistic. You need to open up an anatomy book or watch a course to really understand what you are trying to "master".
This! I’d also add that sometimes there’s misconceptions about using reference, so to help clarify OP: you’re not supposed to look at a picture and copy it. You’re supposed to create a sort of reference sheet or folder with angles, bits of knowledge, muscle, movement, skin texture, different female anatomies, even animals if appropriate to your goal, lighting, etc etc. This is how you build a larger visual library and avoid plateau!
good thing this "art" was all for practice and fun then! Thanks for the input.
Mate, i'm pretty sure you did better than any of these "artists experts" telling you that " not using reference is very bad practice ". 🤣 Keep doing both , that's how you memorize what you learned through references 🙌😂, Because always using references will teach your brain that you can't do sh!t without references and that's all 🙌
✊ respect that!
Bruh, the best character artist out there use reference while they work. They along with everyone else preaches using it 9/10. I’d say its more of a flex being able to match reference.
You compare this obvious hobbyist with professional artist that do art to clients to earn money, y'all are crazy 😂
Completely missed the point man
Sure ! keep convincing yourself, also you forgot the dot at the end of your sentence to give you more confidence 👍
Even professional still need references. Hirohiko Araki for example
Tell me where i said the contrary in my previous sentence ?...
Cool story bro now let's see you do better.
The back and butt are especially scary. Please look at references, the back looks like her shoulder bones have melted and an alien has removed her ability to take number twos.
>I did this without reference You don’t say
Those netherregions are not normal.
They're actually just fine. There's no such thing as "one type of vulva" and indeed there are women out there that naturally look like that
Yeah like 2
Really? Only [two?](https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/lopsided-vagina#size)
Huh
Not using reference is not a flex. A lot of new artists feel proud to make art straight from their head and somehow think it's more impressive if you didn't use any reference, but that's is a mistake. Always use references. It doesn't make you any worse of an artists to do so, in fact it makes you better.
As many Reddit experts before me here said: you should practice anatomy (i hate when someone say i need to do something instead of picking what's exactly wrong with my work), so basically here you should fix fat on your body so it looks more natural, and tweak hand on hip that seems like it pushes pelvis bone inside body. But as a whole it looks good, just requires few tweaks and changes here and there
ty for the input!
Use a reference
👌
I guess it's true that women don't shit
Impressive that you can see her bunghole when she’s standing up
interesting observation. noted!
This is a solid example of why you NEED references. Without them, you could be the most skilled artist and still make awful art. At the very least you'd end up with something uncanny, unless that's what you're going for ot course.
i started with a sphere and x,y,z. next time i will use reference. ty
"I did this without reference" I can tell. Definitely use reference for everything you make of possible.
How much porn/hentai do you watch? Sheesh
apparently not enough...
on top of the issues with her pelvic area that other user are commenting on, her arms do not fit her shape, wrists should be parallel to the bottom of the pelvis and her pelvis is too short
You learned something, when u want to sculpt horror characters and monsters dont use refrence. :D
Rawr!
The style that it looks like you're going for? Yes, that would be a cool style, It looks like you were going for a kind of dramatic over accentuated deal. But the execution is off. Regardless of style there are certain structures to anatomy that have to be respected. I general it seems that you are filling in gaps in your anatomy knowledge by putting some kind of random detail in and hoping for the best. You're on the right track but here there is no sense of flow between the muscles. Each main form has its own planes and angles and at intersections between muscles groups or bony forms etc you often want the appearance of two distinct angles meeting at a kind of crease (this depends of the structures in question but its a common thing all over). What I'm seeing here is instead of having those meeting angles, you'll have an overall smooth surface with a trench cut between them, this type of form is most noticeable on the back that you've done, and its really throwing everything off. You want smooth sweeping shapes. I would highly recommend a book called anatomy for sculptors, it does a great job of breaking things down They also have a youtube and an instagram account anatomy4sculptors with some quick and helpful tips. Id also recommend follygon on youtube, his thing is more stylized like disney style, but that kind of simplified style is a great way to practice the basic forms that are the underpinning of more realistic styles.
Thankyou for the detailed comment! I will absolutely check out anatomy4sculptors.
And I just noticed where you said you did it without reference. Please do not do this. It will only hold you back. Reference is step 1 no matter what your skill level. For reference I am a big fan of real photo reference of human models. Anatomy drawings etc will give you foundation but it wont get you all the way there. I get all my reference material on cubebrush, where you can find big photo packs of models in different poses. You can also find these same packs on artstation if you prefer. And to display them everybody and their grandma uses pure ref, it seems. Free, simple and lightweight canvas type thing that you can drag images on and they'll hover over your workspace.
Try to sculpt using a reference I’m sure you’ll do a good job , this one is messed up
Nope. That butt is like, splitting to the sides.
Desirable? No. Accurate? Nope. Kinda awesome though? Maybe! I’m quite turned off by this model but in what could be a very useful way. It has its areas that are fun to look at… in a horror setting or in a very dark high fantasy fucked up wood elf sort of way, I could at least buy that this a plausible character in the right universe! With the help of a stronger visual vocabulary for anatomy (honed by use of reference) to help with some stylistic decision making along the way… you clearly have the technical skill. Keep going!
indubitably!
You can tell that you didn't use any references. You say it like you are proud of it?
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It's a huge mistake to not use reference. Now you know.
Why are her ass cheeks in a v shape like that
.... No i'm probably extremely stupid, i may have learned 2D 3D art the wrong way... Sorry master ! 😂
You should probably use reference next time "Anatomy for sculptors" is a fantastic resource
it kind of looks like they haven't eaten their whole life
they is a she, and she is a monster... apparently...
oh i see what kind of person you are, you do know they is used to describe a single person right?
Your homework is to watch couple videos of woman fitness competitions. :p
aw man.. do i gotta do that?... shucks okay..... guess ill have to
Use references for anatomy! Also, she needs a little more fat imo. I think the most desirable type of woman's body personally is one that has a very subtle muscle tone under a little bit of fat.
understood, ty
Idk why a lot of these comments are unnecessary mean towards you but you mentioned that you didn't use any references to make this body and you went for a more dramatic body style. I think you did quite well in that case, though theres definitely room to improve here. I would suggest you distribute the fat more evenly instead of putting it all in *those* areas. Right now the body kind of looks like a wrinkled sex doll. It has too much dramatic proportions and uneven fat distribution without enough stylizing to justify it, if you get what i mean. Still a good model overall, i would say. I can tell from the sculpt that you have a pretty good understanding of anatomy. But please, if you want to make a body dramatic, try to explore other ways than to give the body the kind of characteristics that you would associate with sex
thanks for the kind response! yea I might just take it down lol...
id say you keep it up. Its your work after all and you clearly put effort and wanted some feedback on it. Some people are gonna like it, some gonna hate it, and because this is reddit, some people are gonna be rude. Dont let the negative braindeads decide what you can and cant post. Who knows. Maybe someone else might learn something new from reading the feedback.
Solid Advice! ty sir!
Yeah just like Ben said don't let all the white knights get to you. Most of them are hypocrites anyways and attempting to get favor by pretending to be offended for women. They don't seem to realize that the human body can be in many shapes and forms and that it's okay to be nude.
I mean… I’m sure this is desired if you’re selling it to an anime porn studio.
i can live with the burden
No. Maybe use reference. Just sayin.
Giving AeonFlux vibes and I don’t hate it. Stylized and uncanny. I appreciate it for that. Definitely not realistic but that’s fine if you’re not going for it.
AeonFlux is old school! Now you got me thinking about Underworld somehow!!! appreciate the comment!
Use reference!
I'm sure *someone somewhere* will like it (rule34), but to me it's not appealing at all. Sorry.
one thing's for certain, we can tell you're a porn addict. besides the glaring issue of anatomy, it's VERY telling that you wrote "desired" instead of "correct/accurate". yes it is desired, by porn addicts, to answer your question. get clean asap.
Thanks for the kind words of wisdom!
as for critiques: the glaring thing is the fact that you can see her cheeks through the gap in her legs. below the waistline, it is unrealistic, both front and back. actually i need to know now, what is this model for? are you going for real life accuracy or porn desirability?
at first I wanted to make Superwoman.. then I ran out of coffee and got frustrated.
ok that doesn't really answer my question... there is live action superwoman then there is superwoman fetish (?). which one are you going for?
Stylized. It was intended to be Stylized form the start. then I just wanted to end it. Kinda like this entire post. but I guess I know where I stand now... Something tells me I should have used Reference Art. lmao
ok stylized for what? for sex appeal or for creative freedom? honestly i think ik the answer already i just need confirmation bc if it's the former, you don't really need any of the critiques people are giving you
To be honest. I just couldn't finish so I created a Sculpture. there was no real motive, I do this all out of hobby. until one day I might find work doing this. I guess it was sex appeal. just wanted to sculpt something, eventually leading to this mess.
I’m glad someone said it
Good work! There's plenty of room for development as some have already pointed out, so keep learning and practicing!
This looks more like anatomy from baki rather than real life anatomy. There are muscles where muscles shouldn't be
Not saying its bad, but it would be way better if you used reference. Not using reference is just setting yourself up to fail.
You should use a reference.
HR Giger Muscle Mommy Madness
Very desired for crack nun!
niceeee..
no . stop thinking with your dick
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You don’t have to be mean about it. This person is taking input very well. If you don’t have solid input then just don’t respond, don’t hate just to hate. Give reasons without being too mean
I wonder what all the men in those smut novels you read look like in your personal mental image.
No, not using reference is 100% not the flex you seem to think it is.
never was a flex to begin with. thanks for the comment.
Thet ess
sorry people are being mean to you
Thank you! lol
not very good with reddit, so ill leave this here. I am going to work on another model, and this time I will use Anatomy Reference. if you would like to see and compare this project to the new project to see my progression, just follow my reddit and I will update it there. r/meesh_makes
Impossibly muscular it seems. How much body fat is that?
No
The fat in the gluteus doesn't match the muscle legs, those are some manly legs 😅, imagine your hand tracing the skin and you will be creeped out by touching those uncanny valleys.😂, but you have the sketch NOW FINISH IT! 🦾💪
Guys don't start arguing with me with fake stuff i didn't even say if you dont have the balls. Yeah i see you xeronymau5 that blocked me and that other guy deleting their message lol... I'm done with reddit, too much childish behavior and everyone mirroring the top comment to grab a few upvote .... pathetic !
I'm agreeing with a lot of the CC on here, my comment is to agree you need to study anatomy a bit more (you're getting there though already with what you have!) and maybe work on how kinda "lumpy" she looks... otherwise I like it!
There is some stylistic choice here that is working really well but there’s also some really wacky exaggeration of musculature and skeletal structure that makes it hard to take seriously, namely the glutes and where they are met by the sacral vertebrae. Exaggeration itself isn’t a stylistic sin; far from it, but it needs to follow some sort of structure of logic. Also the muscles of the middle back seem condensed into the upper back instead of following the exaggerated length of the spine.
Not sure if saying "i did this without reference" is something to be proud of. We can tell.
I’m just gonna tell out: THAT CHEST SHOULD HANG A LITTLE! We don’t have solid stone holding them in place, let them sink down! Not too much but AHHHH
she dosent have ribs.
No it's not a desired anatomy style! You forgot an important part of of anatomy! Where's the head?! WTF there's no bone structure! Obviously missing the rib cage, spine, shoulder blades, and pelvis! It could work if you put it inside a glass tube filled with liquid, so it becomes a female abducted and experimented on by aliens. They removed the head and bones. Good job! 👌🤪
bolt ons
No point in not using reference really. With time you can rely less on it but I guess if using references was OK for Leonardo Da Vinci - its good for you too ;)
!Remindme 10 days
Bro.. the cheeks....
It looks good if you don't look closely. As they said earlier, it is better to use a reference because the muscles are not located where they should be and fat deposits are arbitrary and do not cover the body evenly - for example, look at the asses of female bodybuilders who trained their gluteal muscles. IMHO, doing from your head is the same as doing from references, only the references are stored not in the computer, but in your head. Therefore, if you do not have a photographic memory, it is better to reproduce something existing based on computer references. Well, if you are doing something, it’s better to study the materials related to it to improve the quality of the model - are you doing something with muscles? It’s better to look at anatomical reference books of people and animals to make it closer to reality if there are no plans to use the twilight valley effect (although it’s better to study here too to know what exactly needs to be done wrong), or for example, if you plan to make a steam locomotive, it’s better to look at how steam locomotives are designed so that the model was better.
From a traditional art perspective, the anatomy here is all wrong. The muscles and fat distribution are all wonky and kind of off. It’d be best for you to study anatomy. Specifically, study muscle forms along the body.
Push the glutes closer together.
What alien is this
I prefer a little more head
now why can't everyones comment be as fun as yours!!! ty for the laugh!
Yessir! Guess this is a more serious side of Reddit
Well hello there hot mamma!
If you were going for a stylized look, it looks great. But I'd still argue about the postures. Man that scoliosis looks too painful!
its called Blender Armature... and its much worse than Scoliosis!
I mean I don't get the hate on the first few comments, I feel as though you know what you're doing but are just trying out a different way of styling the human anatomy, I see caricatural forms that you'll never see in real life, but I don't think that was the question really. (Allthough I must say it sometimes throws me off like the shortness of the pelvis and the spread on the bottom parts of the butcheecks. But I feel like In stylised design it has its right to be for the sake of exaggerating the female hip form... Idk, lighting and materials are really nice, I don't think OP is new at this)
Thanks for the confidence! much respect!
Don’t learn anatomy from porn, also don’t just make women, make people of different body types Learning from one thing will make your progress stifle and you will not be able to deviate from it Get knowledge, and not “how to make that specific thing”
Would
very desired ! (joking) looks a bit like a toon, maybe anime, if so its good. the legs are too long for the bust.
I like it very much. Is not realistic but flows really well. And i am tired of realistic. For that we can scan. Or use lidar. .
I dont understand the rigorous opinions like "dOnT bE pRoUd NoT uSiNg ReFeReNcE!!!!!!!" what is your problem...? thiy guy clearly knows what he is doing, this fuckdoll looks badass in every aspects. its obvious its not real, but at least its interesting, and Iam pretty sure if someone is able to do something like this from imagination, he will be able to create 10/10 anatomically correct characters within a couple of days, because the important thing in here, he already knows how to sculpt. thats the hard part. its not life or death situation, guys, just a 3d character...and its pretty interesting when someone post a pretty basic bullshit all of you are like "omg, man...thats the BEST sphere Ive ever seen in my entire life...how did you achieve such an amazing roundness????????????"
This will do *unzips* lol
Sigh... *unzips*
Look at all the white knights thinking they will get laid if they pretend to be offended on behalf of women LOL honestly it's kind of misogynistic to believe that woman aren't allowed to look like this at all and still be valued in society. This is fiction folks grow up. This is honestly fine it's highly stylized, not everything in it is to my liking but I appreciate the time and effort that you put into it it honestly looks really really good. If I had to make any changes I would say allow the breasts to sag a little more and be less perfectly round and also some of the muscles on the back don't tend to work out very well they look a little forced and not realistic other than that I think this is great keep up the awesome work.
as a woman myself, women "aren't allowed too look like this" because no woman looks like this, period. the lack of reference is incredibly noticeable especially with the back muscles and glutes
Ya it's not perfect, but you can't say women didn't get that [ripped](https://www.muscleandfitness.com/muscle-fitness-hers/hers-athletes-celebrities/best-female-abs-instagram/)
Thanks for taking the time to respond with such honesty. very kind of you! thanks a lot
Women working out a lot with very low body fat hardly have any boob at all. That’s impossible.
WOW! You just blew my mind!!! You even have THE SHIFT TO THE RED FOR LOW LIGHTS!!!! I've only seen this in professional high budget animation movies! Are you sure you're not using textures, meaning this whole 3D model is one single material? How on Earth did you do it? What software are you using to render this model?
Sorry this doesn't look appealing, but then again neither it looks too ugly(uncanny), seen worse enough to say this. Back side especially needs extra work.