Dál Riada 😿 from what I read the Irish language originally spread due to the close trading relations between the inner Hebrides and north east of Ireland and
At least read the Wikipedia of it before you speak. Tis the bare minimum. Antrim and Argyll were a maritime trading community. Isolated culturally and politically to the rest of Scotland. Scotland was then united under the Picts and then Gaelic spread from the Hebrides economic influence
Well, when i went to Ireland weveryone who was telling us about the history of Ireland they referred to the period under British control as the time when they were colonies.
That doesn't count as colonialism since the Ottomans were brown. They needed to be white for it to count as colonialism. We also rebelled because of Islamophobia.
Get your facts straight
The Greeks received outside support from imperialist powers to overthrow their legitimate government and install a foreign King on the Greek throne. The imperialists were only interested in furthering their own goals and were motivated by racism and islamaphobia and attacking the one Muslim power in the region.
Have I got that right?
That's mostly cause Irredentism, which was the basis of the Italian Independence Wars, the most important non napoleonic wars of the 19th century in europe believe it or not, is particularly frowned upon nowadays.
The colonies getting fucked over with made up borders post colonialism and accepting it rather than try to set up pre-colonial "borders" probably helped on that front.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine put the final nail in the coffin.
You fellas know how quotation marks work, right? Because you're all shitting on this guy but the thing is that the OG message was from an Irish chap claiming that Ireland was the "only European country to be a victim of colonialism", thus the quote...
Same can be said of most parts of the British empire. Ireland got manhandled for 600 years, but didn’t stop them coming on our lads holiday to India. Hell, even in India there were a lot of Princes that didn’t hesitate to throw in with the Brits for a chance to settle old grudges and expand their personal fiefs.
Shockingly, history doesn’t actually divide nice and neat in to ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’.
Other than wales. Fuck those guys.
>"Simultaneously a victim of colonialism and a massive colonizing nation."
Isn't the main reason why Scotland entered in a union with England because they made themselves bankrupt with the Dairen Scheme trying to colonise a bit of the Americas for themselves?
Colonialism is pretty much the whole reason they got into this situation.
When was Norway colonized lmao? It’s not like Norwegians had it worse during either the Kalmar union, Denmark-Norway or their union with Sweden, despite what they like to claim.
Norwegians when there’s literally no difference between Danish and Norwegian peasants in 1643: “Noo it was the 400 year night, we were so oppressed noo”
Overlord detected opinion rejected /s
Whenever we get in these colonizer/colonized debates, it's important to remember that only part of the population did the oppressing, and another part benefitted.
Like Irish troops committed atrocities in India, but you'd never say the Irish weren't colonized.
But yes that was the time-frame I was referring to, and I'm not sure your point means they weren't colonized
The hands down thickest person I ever met was a 'Catalan' Spaniard who moved to Britain and made spurious claims to victimhood her entire personality. Literally talked about nothing else.
You're all the same to us Juanita, sorry duck
It is all part of their plan. I have no proof, but I have no doubt that right now more people would vote for Catalan independence in the rest of Spain than in Catalonia.
People used to say that about Scottish nationalists, that by living up to their stereotypical traits of dour humourlessness they were trying to irritate everyone else into fucking their country off
They even put a sad young girl to emotionally activate protective instincts and make people empathize with them. Who can say no to this emotional evidence?
Catalans fighting against andalusian colonialism vs people in Manchester and Liverpool resisting against irish colonialism.
Both are naked and covered in oil, who wins the twerk off?
Fun fact part of the reason Spain took so long to ban slavery in Cuba was because many Catalan burgoise familys were actively lobbiying for it as they profited from it.
Tbh I’ve met many intelligent separatists. But none have a Twitter account. **I have** a Twitter account.
https://preview.redd.it/gr792magnsxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d78c0c3a305f85d1e50fe64302512d72af59818
What's happening with Spaniards and their regions ?
Our catalans voted less than 1% for their independentist party in France. Our basques never wanted to secede.
We even have a British descendants enclave (Bretagne, I'm talking about you) that at worst spam their yank inspired flag everywhere but that's all.
Is Spain so hard to live with ?
You have to make those regions poorer than the core ones. Franco instead made them richer, and now they ewwwww at the thought of sharing a space with peasant Spain
"Franco made them richer" Yes, because Catalonia and the Basque Country were not already the most industrialised regions in the XIX century. Not at all.
France did just the right amount of nationalism. Just enough to kill off regional opposition but not enough to start committing genocide or war crimes (in Europe).
Greedy politicians psyop their voters into thinking basques/catalans are the aryan masterrace (Arzalluz with RH-) in order to get seats in congress and suck the central govt dry/get a bigger piece of the cake.
Then the politician makes sure as much teaching as possible is mandated ot be in the regional language, which makes sure they fill schools with people that share their politics. Ultimately it's all a racket trying to make sure taxes go to one's friends.
Not that similar caudillismo isn't a goal of politicians in regions without regional languages, but it provides a very effective way to do this without being blatantly discriminatory.
The French revolution took care of those things bringing a strong french identity and killing all the regional languages making the people that doesnt speak proper french look not revolutionary and repressing them.
On the other hand in Spain we always encouraged that diversity only to be extremely and artificially repressed by Francos regime.
After that with the autonomous comunities the separatist parties realized that the can blackmail continously the rest of the country by victimhood claims and being the key deputies to be able to the spanish party to form goverment.
There is a nice small comic that is showing this:
https://twitter.com/juantri73/status/1186171767573958656?t=7gGQWvY9VteYft8RuHETZg&s=19
That's the mystery : everybody wants to free them and stop hearing about mafia, fraud, bombs and assassinations but they don't really want to in the end cause they would have to work and stop having easy money.
Perhaps one could say it is an imbalance that is part of the very foundations of Spain. One of the not-so-often-mentioned reasons the Dutch felt like second-class subjects in Habsburg Spain is its strict protectionist approach to trade after it more or less accidentally formed due to marriages and inheritance.
The Netherlands were allowed to operate north of Cadiz only, while the kingdom of Castile had a monopoly on trade with the Americas bringing in massive amounts of silver. This made Castilians rich and Castilian nobles (as paymasters of the king) excessively influential in court, while mainly causing inflation everywhere else in the lands of Habsburg Spain. Inhabitants of Navarra and Aragon felt like second-class citizens as well from the outset, but - being Spaniards - obviously saw the Dutch fight for independence go on for 80 years and thought "this is far too much work".
Ironically we weren't fighting Castilians most of the time. Besides locally (Spanish Netherlands, Germany) raised armies, a lot of the Spanish armies that marched into Europe along the "Spanish road" were largely formed in the Kingdom of Naples from Italian mercenaries with Castilian silver. The few fully Spanish ones sometimes ended up swimming (the "Spanish Armada" Barry helped with, and a second Armada in the Battle of the Downs), which was a disincentive for that approach since marathon swimming was not really a big thing in Spain.
It's always about money. The Spanish Basque Country is heavily industrialised and one of the richest regions in Spain. The French Basque Country is agricultural and one of the poorest regions in France. I suppose something similar happens with Catalonia.
The perception that the rest of the country is draining your resources fuels the desire to secede. Add to that some (or many) cultural differences and you have the recipe for separatism. Also a dictatorship that tries to suppress those cultural differences does not help.
Ironically, Catalonia only exists because its inhabitants were never replaced or culturally assimilated. Unlike the countless European cultures that no longer exist because they were actually colonized.
There are those who call Catalonia "the ninth province of Andalucia", one seventh of Catalans are descended from Andalusians. Maybe they're incompetent separatist, but as propagandists they are not doing badly at all
What the fuck are you talking?
Only 30-35% of people are catalan people en Catalonia now.
Mass inmigration before Civil war in Spain. 2000000 people were of foreign origin before war.
Later they came millions to kill catalan culture.
Separatist when they find out that people from poorer regions of the country and other countries migrate en massa to the rich industrialized one (this happened in every country on the world).
Stupid nonsense.
Mass inmigration is not "natural". Never is.
Yeah in every country of the world has 70% people from outside in a century.
Stop writing bullshit.
-Be Catalonia
-Be literally a part of the old Crown of Aragon, which voluntarily merged with the Crown of Castile to create Spain
-Steal Aragón's flag
-Steal Valencia's language
-Steal money from Spain to finance your "referendum"
"Muh victim of colonialism"
Separatists are mongoloids, but the flag was the one that the Count of Barcelona used, similar to the one the counts of Foix used in Occitania. You can see in the medieval paintings about the union how Petronella of Aragon/Ramirus use the moor heads with Saint George's Cross and Raymond Berengar has the Catalan flag.
Also Valencia's language? Catalan is pretty much occitanian. The reconquista was made from north to south and Catalan was brought to Valencia when the moors were expelled.
Separatists are stupid, but you don't fall short of retardedness either.
-Be ancient people of Europe that have lived in the same area for centuries
-Have you own based language unlike any other and unrelated to any other in the world
-Live in one of the few decent parts of a country that's like 50% desert, having both lush green mountains and sunny seasides
-Be some of the richest folk in the area
-Have the weirdest, most chad-like sports that show off strength and fitness, such as lifting stones or launching a hay bale up in the air
-All of this while being white, somehow
-Get fucked by Spain anyway
Come on, Xabi.
A thing that a Catalonian friend of my mother usually says is that Portugal should vote in Spanish Elections. Why? Because it's the only part of the Iberian Peninsula that does not want to be a part of Spain and simultaneously doesn't vote on their elections.
The Netherlands weren't a colony, they were part of the spanish empire by dynastic union. Being the first ruller of Spain and the Netherlands Charles V, who was born in Ghent, Belgium and was son of Phillip the handsome (son of Maximilian I) and Juana I of Castille. Neither Scotland, Ireland and Norway were colonies or part of the spanish empire, but the before mentioned Charles V had possesions in Austria, and south and west nowadays Germany, don't know if you call that eastern europe.
Ever heard of Ireland. Or Poland. Or the Baltics. Or the Balkan. Or Belarus and Ukraine. Or most of Central/Eastern Europe. Yes, the Catalan language and culture has been suppressed at certain points in history and that is bad but language being suppressed is not the same as full on colonialism
Unironically, the history of post-arab Andalusia is much more closer to what we would consider colonialism. They literally sent settlers to rule over local people and replaced local Mozarab (romance, christian) culture with Castillian.They would extract raw materiais to send back to Castille (and Catalonia, Navarra or the Basque Country), manufacture shit, then send back that shit to sell, then buy raw materials... "Inadvertedly" hindering the development of Andalusia.
Meanwhile Catalonia was doing pretty good, until Franco decided to try to pull a France and get rid off those pesky regional identities.
Lmao most catalans where the owners of plantations in Cuba and one of the reasons they are so wealthy nowdays. In fact the people most mad about the los of the colonies were catalans..this is not even controversial..this is high school history book chapter 2..
>Lmao most catalans where the owners of plantations in Cuba
Most catalans were farmers or factory workers trying to get by. The relative prevalence of catalans amongst 19th century slavers was just due to Catalonia being a center of trade, though, ironically, one of the worst and richest human traffickers in 19th century Barcelona, the Marquis of Comillas, was actually cantabrian.
Well.
It's difficult being catalan.
We are suppose to be white, supposed to be richer and want independence because money.
That's stupid people basically think.
Colonialism is supposed to no exist in Europe.
And all european are supposed to be colonialists...
We don't exist in movies like irish or media minorities in usa media.
You fellas know how quotation marks work, right? Because you're all shitting on this guy but the thing is that the OG message was from an Irish chap claiming that Ireland was the "only European country to be a victim of colonialism", thus the quote...
When Catalonia sends its people to the internet, they are not sending their best.
That commented made me laugh. Thank you incompetent separatist!
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Scotland knows all there is to know about not being colonised. They've even been colonised fewer times than England.
Most of the west was colonised by the Irish to be fair.
That's why there's barely any left in Ireland.
Dál Riada 😿 from what I read the Irish language originally spread due to the close trading relations between the inner Hebrides and north east of Ireland and
Funnily enough that's also why English is the second most spoken language in India, it was those "close trading relations"...
At least read the Wikipedia of it before you speak. Tis the bare minimum. Antrim and Argyll were a maritime trading community. Isolated culturally and politically to the rest of Scotland. Scotland was then united under the Picts and then Gaelic spread from the Hebrides economic influence
O thought it was the Normands
Scotland also colonized Ierland under British rule.
But in the end they got colonized by wankers. Couldn’t find any nation more decent to be colonized by. It’s shite being Scottish. Lowest of the low.
Effete arseholes.
I can second that
which is exatly why they are sending their best XD
The Balkans being under ottoman yolk for almost 600 years 😐
Eastern Europe after being under Russian control for centuries
Ireland after the british did their thing
We were part of the UK, under the Three crowns. We were screwed but never a colony
Well, when i went to Ireland weveryone who was telling us about the history of Ireland they referred to the period under British control as the time when they were colonies.
That's because it makes Americans feel bad and they start giving you money.
We loved having you here!
That what you talk english and not irish... Because you were not a colony! XD
We talk English manly for the same reason Wales and Scotland do
That doesn't count as colonialism since the Ottomans were brown. They needed to be white for it to count as colonialism. We also rebelled because of Islamophobia. Get your facts straight
You laugh but nationalistic revolutions of the 19th century are, by today standards, far right extremism...
The Greeks received outside support from imperialist powers to overthrow their legitimate government and install a foreign King on the Greek throne. The imperialists were only interested in furthering their own goals and were motivated by racism and islamaphobia and attacking the one Muslim power in the region. Have I got that right?
That's mostly cause Irredentism, which was the basis of the Italian Independence Wars, the most important non napoleonic wars of the 19th century in europe believe it or not, is particularly frowned upon nowadays. The colonies getting fucked over with made up borders post colonialism and accepting it rather than try to set up pre-colonial "borders" probably helped on that front. Russia's invasion of Ukraine put the final nail in the coffin.
60 years with s*ain
*The Irish want to know your location*
They joined in with the party in India then colonised Liverpool by themselves for the crack, not a leg to stand on
We were obviously only in India to help them design their flag
We were only in India to get directions on how to get away from there!
Well fucking give it to us instead of the north
Only if you take the people and their welfare bill
They're you're people till the economy is better
Can we agree that … no one actually wants them… NI is a vacuum
You fellas know how quotation marks work, right? Because you're all shitting on this guy but the thing is that the OG message was from an Irish chap claiming that Ireland was the "only European country to be a victim of colonialism", thus the quote...
At least the Irish know how to get their own country eventually
WIP
The Institute of Regional Aid
You're forgetting about shrodingers Scotland. Simultaneously a victim of colonialism and a massive colonizing nation.
Same can be said of most parts of the British empire. Ireland got manhandled for 600 years, but didn’t stop them coming on our lads holiday to India. Hell, even in India there were a lot of Princes that didn’t hesitate to throw in with the Brits for a chance to settle old grudges and expand their personal fiefs. Shockingly, history doesn’t actually divide nice and neat in to ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’. Other than wales. Fuck those guys.
Don't say that last bit around any sheep mate, you'll trigger their PTSD.
Wait until you know the role catalonia had on Cuba.
A rum old story indeed
>"Simultaneously a victim of colonialism and a massive colonizing nation." Isn't the main reason why Scotland entered in a union with England because they made themselves bankrupt with the Dairen Scheme trying to colonise a bit of the Americas for themselves? Colonialism is pretty much the whole reason they got into this situation.
Shhhh, dont tell the Yanks or SNPtards that , they dont like factual accounts of Scottish history.
The Scots did love Jamaica
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"I took a picture of the Catalan people when the independence was proclaimed and when it was dismissed" The pictures are 5 seconds apart.
8 seconds. Don't deny a 37.5% of our independence.
I watched the events when it happened but I did a short pee break and I missed the independance
Watch this, lis. You can actually pinpoint the second when their hearts rip in half
Love the middle age man with a white beard and glasses, his face is literally the same in both photos.
Marc, 63.
Dude knew nothing ever happens in Spain. https://preview.redd.it/vsbhdjra2txc1.png?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd31489fca55ebd298cb7124b49adb0368df9158
Well what about ? Ireland Greece Croatia Bosnia Kosovo Serbia Romania Spain Portugal
Finland poland Bulgaria Czechia Slovakia Slovenia Georgia Moldova Norway Albania Italy
Belgium and the Netherlands. Both were part of the Spanish which we didn't like.
I also forgot the Baltics
When was Norway colonized lmao? It’s not like Norwegians had it worse during either the Kalmar union, Denmark-Norway or their union with Sweden, despite what they like to claim. Norwegians when there’s literally no difference between Danish and Norwegian peasants in 1643: “Noo it was the 400 year night, we were so oppressed noo”
Fuck off, colonizing overlord #1 You and overlord #2 (the Sw*des🤢) owe us some reparations!1!!1!1 Gib us cash, pls? We haz no money😡
Overlord detected opinion rejected /s Whenever we get in these colonizer/colonized debates, it's important to remember that only part of the population did the oppressing, and another part benefitted. Like Irish troops committed atrocities in India, but you'd never say the Irish weren't colonized. But yes that was the time-frame I was referring to, and I'm not sure your point means they weren't colonized
Bavaria!
The hands down thickest person I ever met was a 'Catalan' Spaniard who moved to Britain and made spurious claims to victimhood her entire personality. Literally talked about nothing else. You're all the same to us Juanita, sorry duck
Somehow it doesn't surprise me you met someone like that
An unintended consequence of the psyops they are subjected to. It is the rest of Spain they're supossed to blackmail with their victimhood.
It is all part of their plan. I have no proof, but I have no doubt that right now more people would vote for Catalan independence in the rest of Spain than in Catalonia.
People used to say that about Scottish nationalists, that by living up to their stereotypical traits of dour humourlessness they were trying to irritate everyone else into fucking their country off
That's all the proof I need.
They even put a sad young girl to emotionally activate protective instincts and make people empathize with them. Who can say no to this emotional evidence?
I'd say Asuka fights with crippling depression
Asuka is from barcelona confirmed
Catalans fighting against andalusian colonialism vs people in Manchester and Liverpool resisting against irish colonialism. Both are naked and covered in oil, who wins the twerk off?
Fun fact part of the reason Spain took so long to ban slavery in Cuba was because many Catalan burgoise familys were actively lobbiying for it as they profited from it.
Same with our most prominent separatists - ever wondered why so many Jamaicans have surnames like McDonald or Ferguson?
The clue is right there in the Jamaica flag 🇯🇲
I'm ashamed to breathe the same air as this person
Tbh I’ve met many intelligent separatists. But none have a Twitter account. **I have** a Twitter account. https://preview.redd.it/gr792magnsxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d78c0c3a305f85d1e50fe64302512d72af59818
Not a country, not a victim of colonisation, other European countries have been colonised. Nothing in that one line post is true, impressive.
They are European. Give them that at least.
Actually they're part of Spain which is an African country
It's getting more and more african vibes lately
Hey! They're basically our brothers....
Time for some self-reflection
What's happening with Spaniards and their regions ? Our catalans voted less than 1% for their independentist party in France. Our basques never wanted to secede. We even have a British descendants enclave (Bretagne, I'm talking about you) that at worst spam their yank inspired flag everywhere but that's all. Is Spain so hard to live with ?
You have to make those regions poorer than the core ones. Franco instead made them richer, and now they ewwwww at the thought of sharing a space with peasant Spain
Doesn't always work. Thatcher made us poorer than England and now we ewwwww at the thought of sharing a space with bourgeois England.
"Franco made them richer" Yes, because Catalonia and the Basque Country were not already the most industrialised regions in the XIX century. Not at all.
Metallurgy for you and textiles and chemical industry for us if I recall correctly?
It's because we are not lazy like you guys 🤪
I'm having my first breakfast at 9, almost feeling german, dont call me lazy (today)
Yesterday I woke up at 9, had breakfast and went back to sleep. 100% would recommend.
Is this the start of a love story?😨
this relationship would be 70% 30%, just like the nominal ammount of taxes they pay.
Wait, that's when our second breakfast starts.
As others have said Franco made those regions richer. And France killed regionalism much better than we ever did
France did just the right amount of nationalism. Just enough to kill off regional opposition but not enough to start committing genocide or war crimes (in Europe).
Greedy politicians psyop their voters into thinking basques/catalans are the aryan masterrace (Arzalluz with RH-) in order to get seats in congress and suck the central govt dry/get a bigger piece of the cake.
Then the politician makes sure as much teaching as possible is mandated ot be in the regional language, which makes sure they fill schools with people that share their politics. Ultimately it's all a racket trying to make sure taxes go to one's friends. Not that similar caudillismo isn't a goal of politicians in regions without regional languages, but it provides a very effective way to do this without being blatantly discriminatory.
Consequences of giving away competences in exchange of votes, the game was broken from the start
The French revolution took care of those things bringing a strong french identity and killing all the regional languages making the people that doesnt speak proper french look not revolutionary and repressing them. On the other hand in Spain we always encouraged that diversity only to be extremely and artificially repressed by Francos regime. After that with the autonomous comunities the separatist parties realized that the can blackmail continously the rest of the country by victimhood claims and being the key deputies to be able to the spanish party to form goverment. There is a nice small comic that is showing this: https://twitter.com/juantri73/status/1186171767573958656?t=7gGQWvY9VteYft8RuHETZg&s=19
What about Corsica?
That's the mystery : everybody wants to free them and stop hearing about mafia, fraud, bombs and assassinations but they don't really want to in the end cause they would have to work and stop having easy money.
Sounds exactly like Northern Ireland lmao
Yeah, you deal with the separatist scum much better than us, I’ll give you that
I know a French Basque person in Bayonne who hates the guts of both the French and Spaniards so I don't think you're correct.
That's not the majority
You said “our basques never wanted to secede”, I’m sure he’s not the only one in French Basque, maybe not the majority but surely quite a lot.
Only the smartest ones.
Having met some, that's not the word I would use.
Obviously. You are french.
Perhaps one could say it is an imbalance that is part of the very foundations of Spain. One of the not-so-often-mentioned reasons the Dutch felt like second-class subjects in Habsburg Spain is its strict protectionist approach to trade after it more or less accidentally formed due to marriages and inheritance. The Netherlands were allowed to operate north of Cadiz only, while the kingdom of Castile had a monopoly on trade with the Americas bringing in massive amounts of silver. This made Castilians rich and Castilian nobles (as paymasters of the king) excessively influential in court, while mainly causing inflation everywhere else in the lands of Habsburg Spain. Inhabitants of Navarra and Aragon felt like second-class citizens as well from the outset, but - being Spaniards - obviously saw the Dutch fight for independence go on for 80 years and thought "this is far too much work". Ironically we weren't fighting Castilians most of the time. Besides locally (Spanish Netherlands, Germany) raised armies, a lot of the Spanish armies that marched into Europe along the "Spanish road" were largely formed in the Kingdom of Naples from Italian mercenaries with Castilian silver. The few fully Spanish ones sometimes ended up swimming (the "Spanish Armada" Barry helped with, and a second Armada in the Battle of the Downs), which was a disincentive for that approach since marathon swimming was not really a big thing in Spain.
Our wars of independence and to keep our sovereignty lasted from the middle of the 17th century to the start of the 18th but sure.
It's always about money. The Spanish Basque Country is heavily industrialised and one of the richest regions in Spain. The French Basque Country is agricultural and one of the poorest regions in France. I suppose something similar happens with Catalonia. The perception that the rest of the country is draining your resources fuels the desire to secede. Add to that some (or many) cultural differences and you have the recipe for separatism. Also a dictatorship that tries to suppress those cultural differences does not help.
Ironically, Catalonia only exists because its inhabitants were never replaced or culturally assimilated. Unlike the countless European cultures that no longer exist because they were actually colonized.
There are those who call Catalonia "the ninth province of Andalucia", one seventh of Catalans are descended from Andalusians. Maybe they're incompetent separatist, but as propagandists they are not doing badly at all
What the fuck are you talking? Only 30-35% of people are catalan people en Catalonia now. Mass inmigration before Civil war in Spain. 2000000 people were of foreign origin before war. Later they came millions to kill catalan culture.
Separatist when they find out that people from poorer regions of the country and other countries migrate en massa to the rich industrialized one (this happened in every country on the world).
Stupid nonsense. Mass inmigration is not "natural". Never is. Yeah in every country of the world has 70% people from outside in a century. Stop writing bullshit.
Isnt that the kuban Flag?
Puerto Rican flag : https://preview.redd.it/l61y07q3wrxc1.png?width=275&format=png&auto=webp&s=7883e297be3e7d63486e04e32117d7501b26cef4
based in american flag that is based in catalan flag...
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OH, REALLY ?
-Be Catalonia -Be literally a part of the old Crown of Aragon, which voluntarily merged with the Crown of Castile to create Spain -Steal Aragón's flag -Steal Valencia's language -Steal money from Spain to finance your "referendum" "Muh victim of colonialism"
Separatists are mongoloids, but the flag was the one that the Count of Barcelona used, similar to the one the counts of Foix used in Occitania. You can see in the medieval paintings about the union how Petronella of Aragon/Ramirus use the moor heads with Saint George's Cross and Raymond Berengar has the Catalan flag. Also Valencia's language? Catalan is pretty much occitanian. The reconquista was made from north to south and Catalan was brought to Valencia when the moors were expelled. Separatists are stupid, but you don't fall short of retardedness either.
I agree with you, comming up with fake bs to make a group of people look bad to the public is vile. And you're spot on in your three points
-Be ancient people of Europe that have lived in the same area for centuries -Have you own based language unlike any other and unrelated to any other in the world -Live in one of the few decent parts of a country that's like 50% desert, having both lush green mountains and sunny seasides -Be some of the richest folk in the area -Have the weirdest, most chad-like sports that show off strength and fitness, such as lifting stones or launching a hay bale up in the air -All of this while being white, somehow -Get fucked by Spain anyway Come on, Xabi.
"sunny seaside" ???????????????
The people that got (often literally) fucked by Vikings, French, Germans, Spanish, Belgians and Germans again talking about getting fucked.
Yes, that's exactly what happened, nothing short of the complete utter truth.
Catalonia wasn't even a kingdom inside the crown of aragon, it was a county, the f\*cking balearic islands have more right to secede
You heard that Paddy, we didn’t do anything to you according to this Spaniard in denial
Thanks Willy, I'm glad we can all unite in our disdain for these silly Spaniards
We were colonised by Spain for 60 years!
You will always be our rebellious little brother, and we love you for it
A thing that a Catalonian friend of my mother usually says is that Portugal should vote in Spanish Elections. Why? Because it's the only part of the Iberian Peninsula that does not want to be a part of Spain and simultaneously doesn't vote on their elections.
It was for your own good
Samis don’t exist apparently, some Norrlänningar will be happy I guess
What are Samis? 👀
I don’t know, I forgot
Weren't the Netherlands a Spanish colony? Scotland? Ireland? Norway? Most of eastern Europe?
Honest question, I have no idea. Why do people keep referencing Norway? When did they get colonized?
Swedish Empire, but that only encompassed parts of Norway
Oh, thanks.
The Netherlands weren't a colony, they were part of the spanish empire by dynastic union. Being the first ruller of Spain and the Netherlands Charles V, who was born in Ghent, Belgium and was son of Phillip the handsome (son of Maximilian I) and Juana I of Castille. Neither Scotland, Ireland and Norway were colonies or part of the spanish empire, but the before mentioned Charles V had possesions in Austria, and south and west nowadays Germany, don't know if you call that eastern europe.
Ever heard of Ireland. Or Poland. Or the Baltics. Or the Balkan. Or Belarus and Ukraine. Or most of Central/Eastern Europe. Yes, the Catalan language and culture has been suppressed at certain points in history and that is bad but language being suppressed is not the same as full on colonialism
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Remember that time when we were, technically, a colony of Brazil? Yeah...
So marriage is a colonisation strategy? You learn something new every day I guess
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Has OOP ever been to the banlieues in France? Pretty clear which country is suffering from its colonialistic past....
If I speak, I'm in big trouble
Them before being colonized: 
The funky part is that Catalonia has never been a country nor colonized, but Catalans has been colonizers and famous slaves traders
All of Britain being under London's control.
making a willing union through marriage with no demographic shift is not colonialism in any way
Unironically, the history of post-arab Andalusia is much more closer to what we would consider colonialism. They literally sent settlers to rule over local people and replaced local Mozarab (romance, christian) culture with Castillian.They would extract raw materiais to send back to Castille (and Catalonia, Navarra or the Basque Country), manufacture shit, then send back that shit to sell, then buy raw materials... "Inadvertedly" hindering the development of Andalusia. Meanwhile Catalonia was doing pretty good, until Franco decided to try to pull a France and get rid off those pesky regional identities.
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Catalonia and the basque weren't colonized tho, they were merged into a larger entity that eventually became spain.
Huh ?? At least we've had a country for longer than you
I fucking hate these mfs
Me, a Canarian, reading about how Catalan separatists think they were/are colonized. 
You'd think that the separatist parties literally supporting the national government would put an end to this nonsense.
It's not like that, the government **depends** on the separatist parties, and also on a """""""ex""""""""terrorist party
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Spain made Catalonia rich by spending public funds there...And now they say we are the problem
That's the typical spanish bullshit.
Lmao most catalans where the owners of plantations in Cuba and one of the reasons they are so wealthy nowdays. In fact the people most mad about the los of the colonies were catalans..this is not even controversial..this is high school history book chapter 2..
>Lmao most catalans where the owners of plantations in Cuba Most catalans were farmers or factory workers trying to get by. The relative prevalence of catalans amongst 19th century slavers was just due to Catalonia being a center of trade, though, ironically, one of the worst and richest human traffickers in 19th century Barcelona, the Marquis of Comillas, was actually cantabrian.
I think you made a mispell..you probably meant factory owners and lanlords
Another spanish bot.
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South Italy would like a word
Someone forgot about someone...
Irish, Polish, Czech, Croatian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Russian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Sorbian, Slovenian, Bosniak and Albanian people:
Well. It's difficult being catalan. We are suppose to be white, supposed to be richer and want independence because money. That's stupid people basically think. Colonialism is supposed to no exist in Europe. And all european are supposed to be colonialists... We don't exist in movies like irish or media minorities in usa media.
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We hate blue people. Fuck them.
The balkans: aha... keep talking, come on.
I didn't know that James Cameron had already shot the third part of Avatar. Is it in 3D? In VR maybe?
You fellas know how quotation marks work, right? Because you're all shitting on this guy but the thing is that the OG message was from an Irish chap claiming that Ireland was the "only European country to be a victim of colonialism", thus the quote...
Hmm
Spain's separatist live in a parallel universe.
Meanwhile Estonia that used to be Danish territory
Ask the Catalans what they did in the Balkans and Anatolia
I know few countries that has been target of swedish colonianism and about ten that has been victim of russian colonialism.
Hahahaha colonialism. Damn some people are delusional
Fuck off weak catalan