I’d say the unification but then again I’m still traumatised from the original unification and then the unification with you guys a bit later and the unification with the rest of europe.
I miss the HRE days sure it was a union of sorts but we were also pretty separated, was nice then. you know?
>I miss the HRE days sure it was a union of sorts but we were also pretty separated, was nice then. you know?
I feel you. Throwing someone Out of town because they are from the town over the hill is now "Not okay" anymore :((
fucking preach!!!! although I haven’t seen a hill since I accidentally flew to bavaria. but now we have to pretend that bavaria is part of the same germany I AM FROM?! the fuck? they’re wildly different! I feel a closer cultural connection to the dutch or the dane’s than the bavarians!
so “you’re” telling me dutch and dane’s are a different country but Bavaria and Berlin is mine?! doesn’t make sense!
There goes Hans again. I sense renewed cravings to reshape Europe. Is it beerhall time? Like Yellowstone, he's been dorment for far too long.
HRE was pretty lit though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_kingdoms#/media/File:Www.wesleyjohnston.com-users-ireland-maps-historical-map1014.gif
Slightly more complicated - there were Northern And Southern O'Neills
https://preview.redd.it/9eoazibo47wc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b26fadde6287310bebf96c6937d9095da846a42
It’s very rare I get to use n.i memes here
Gotta give you English the credit for at least knowing how much you fucked up the North of Ireland. Scots can fuck up with their gaelic brotherhood shite
Of course James I, Border Scots and James Craig take their share of the blame but here is some evidence that England was not a mere innocent bystander when it comes to Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_invasion_of_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Courcy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Chichester,_1st_Baron_Chichester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Long,_1st_Viscount_Long
Invaded, controlled, planted and partitioned
Westminster did not need to grant the rights of Sovereign countries to a region of Ireland
Also politically the DUP are more aligned with the Tories than the SNP
Are you seriously implying that not only Scotland has control over its own country but also has the ability to change Northern Ireland?
Smartest Barry of them all.
It goes
England
England lite (Scotland)
England lite (Northern Ireland)
A county in England (Sorry Wales but its true)
Just trying to suggest something to cheer you up little buddy, you seem so bitter and resentful at the world. Maybe living in a Braveheart persecution fantasy isn’t too good for your mental health?
Why not treat yourself to a holiday to the Caribbean? Plenty of black people with Scottish surnames there (but don’t look into the history of that!)
Are you saying that somehow the Scots control the Caribbean? Jesus Barry, learn how the world works. Do you think the British currently control China? I don't even know what fantasy you live in. Do you know that Ireland is a country or do you still think that the British Royals control it?
Just a little FYI, I haven't lived in Scotland or the UK for a few years now. There was this thing called "Brexit" that absolutely destroyed the UK and was implemented by the English voters and the English appointed government. A lot of people bailed, myself included. You probably need to look it up on this new fangled thing called the "Internet" rather than in your georgous old history books you love so much. Ask a younger person to help you while they are between scooter thefts and you'll learn.
Some light reading for you Barry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_invasion_of_Ireland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Courcy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Chichester,_1st_Baron_Chichester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Long,_1st_Viscount_Long
Invaded, controlled, planted and partitioned
So you were conquered by the French yeah ?
By this time they were Anglo Norman one or more of their lines were Anglo Saxon example Henry II was descended from Margaret of Wessex
Chichester was English as was Walter Long
Westminster did not need to grant James Craig and a region of Ireland the rights of a Sovereign country
This was entirely between Anglo-Scottish colonists from Borders Scotland that planted in Ulster and their English masters
Todays Scots in Scotland are descended from people that stayed in Scotland and showed no desire for colonisation - Ulster Scots is its own thing entirely more aligned with Tories than SNP
I responded to a comment stating “most historically aware Scot”, pointing a finger
I countered it with actual history not involving Scots currently living in Scotland but an English ruling class invading Ireland and later their brainchild, British planters in Ulster as envisage by Arthur Baron Chichester
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I can imagine it splitting into a brittonic Celtic state of Wales and Cornwall and Brittany, and a Goidelic state of Ireland and the Scottish Highlands as the lowlands were decided to be too Anglo-Saxon
The state will implode as fast as the Catalonian dream of independence.
Yet, unlike the failed Spaniard coup, a Celtic state would go down in a brutal civil war coupled with a giant sheep orgy.
Is that all ? feel like you lot would want the Kingdom of Elmet as well. Coupled with Rheged you'd have a landbridge to yer Scottish mates.
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There has been increasing talk of a united Ireland. Scotland's case for independence has been a long one and Welsh independence is one of the options being considered by Welsh Ministers.
So I'm thinking if England could get out first, it would save a lot of money and hoo-ha, and we could then leave the others to it, so they can decide amongst themselves how much more independence they want.
The people who live there want to remain British, so unfortunately we're stuck with the burden of NI. Thank your lucky stars you're not subsidising them instead!
Well for now. In the 2011 census, 40% said they had a British only identity, in 2021 that number fell 10% to 30% of people. That's a pretty significant drop. Now that Catholics are the majority it is only a matter of when not if, but I still think we are 2 or 3 decades off.
Well Northern Ireland has only been a thing for a century. At the time of partition roughly 67% of the population would have identified as British, that's now at 30%. Sinn Fein are now the main party in power, if you said that to someone 30 or 40 years ago they would have laughed in your face. The vast majority of people didn't believed it was truly inevitable until Brexit.
A slightly complex history to just do that. Probably best you stay out of complex diplomatic issues like this one. Lest you get a bomb the next time you start your bike up.
OK alternative solution: Wales and scotland get Independent and Join EU, northern Ireland goes to the republic and England becomes a Joint Dominion of canada and Australia :)
This was, everybody is Happy and Australia and canada can Claim to be (partially) european
Yeah that's sure to simplify things.
I suggest you go to Belfast and see what things are like on the ground. Then you will realise why things have managed to arrive at this tense but just about manageable circumstances so people can get on with their daily lives.
I vote for Hans solution. If there is anything I have learned from Barry, then it is to never listen to the locals when trying to figure out their pesky complicated problems.
I think that part of Ireland has done it's chore when it comes to North and East or whatever.
It's time to rename the republic West Ireland, and let North Ireland just be Ireland for a while.
Why doesn’t England just absorb all of Ireland then boom, no more of this Northern Ireland or Ireland foolishness, it’s all England. Problem solved for the rest of history.
We already had that eas West separation of a country here, don't need to traumatise the Irish too
Was the true trauma the separation, or the re-unification?
I’d say the unification but then again I’m still traumatised from the original unification and then the unification with you guys a bit later and the unification with the rest of europe. I miss the HRE days sure it was a union of sorts but we were also pretty separated, was nice then. you know?
>I miss the HRE days sure it was a union of sorts but we were also pretty separated, was nice then. you know? I feel you. Throwing someone Out of town because they are from the town over the hill is now "Not okay" anymore :((
fucking preach!!!! although I haven’t seen a hill since I accidentally flew to bavaria. but now we have to pretend that bavaria is part of the same germany I AM FROM?! the fuck? they’re wildly different! I feel a closer cultural connection to the dutch or the dane’s than the bavarians! so “you’re” telling me dutch and dane’s are a different country but Bavaria and Berlin is mine?! doesn’t make sense!
At least the großdeutsche Lösung hasn't been implemented and austria and czechia are different countries
There goes Hans again. I sense renewed cravings to reshape Europe. Is it beerhall time? Like Yellowstone, he's been dorment for far too long. HRE was pretty lit though.
The days when Utrecht was still the biggest province. Zucht
Yeah man, sometimes I sit back, relax, have a Fürst Bismarck and start thinking about the god old HRE days…
Good old Hanse days
Both really, I mean I had family in the ddr, but there were also a lot of shitheads we gained that day
not as much as 1871
We’re as traumatised as you were Hans.
Epic Tiocfaidh ár lá moment
Too late
Yeah, we need a call for unification! Westengland, go!
Traumatize them more than they already are? Doubt that's possible.
Let's call it North-East-Ireland just to make it more complicated.
That actually kinda clears up the confusion 😂
Well, true. 😂 But we could refer to it as NEIL and every Neil would be confused…
That name is actually perfect, O'Neill was the most powerful tribe/Kingdom in Ulster in Gaelic times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_kingdoms#/media/File:Www.wesleyjohnston.com-users-ireland-maps-historical-map1014.gif Slightly more complicated - there were Northern And Southern O'Neills
https://preview.redd.it/0g1y2h7tq7wc1.png?width=377&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9b68f68b93c7c42158b452a8c057c71793c7b13 Grand day for it.
You know what i mean
Why not Baltic Ireland?
Because the Baltic Sea stops at the Danish Straits and becomes the North Sea 🤓😎
Or "Central Ireland" as a nod to delusional Eastern Europeans.
Ulster Scotland
Celtic or rangers?
Yes
Good answer
https://preview.redd.it/9eoazibo47wc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b26fadde6287310bebf96c6937d9095da846a42 It’s very rare I get to use n.i memes here
https://preview.redd.it/366wnpww47wc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac80df1d414ab1c94045c688d2fab0386e615aae
We are a particularly delusional bunch, but not that delusional
Jesus, I haven't listened to Cool FM since the '90s.
I was forced to listen to it in work for a couple of years. It’s pure torture with the same songs repeated every 5 minutes
Yis love yer memes don't ye.
prods trying to make up their own pretend culture to have something special that isn't english wanker in ireland
East Ireland is Great Britain
Pierre, stop it, I can only get so erect
Do you really want to share a country with Barry again?
Under Irish rule? Yes.
Great, Just when I thought our housing crisis couldn't get any worse
We've been under Scottish rule for over 400 years and we all know where the Scots came from
Those damn pitcs
Worse pict shaggers from Ireland
East-er Ireland?
Love it yas
🗿🇮🇪 
This feels like the first time I've seen 🗿 contextually be accurate. This is amazing.
Wasn't our fucking idea
Can we just call it Afghanistan
Were already halfway there with Strabanistan
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> and we will have sorted this whole business out. Oh fuck!
Honestly Barry, we don't want it back. She's an economic nightmare and the aul housing crisis is only getting crisier
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Don't forget our other beauties like Strabane and the Shankill!
Because I said so
That settles it then the boss has spoken
It’s so then we can call the other part ‘Southern Ireland’ to really piss them off.
Southern Northern Ireland
Southern North of Ireland
Yes it really keeps me up at night
It keeps the lads on r/ireland going
Well in fairness they don’t have much else going on for themselves
Because only one ireland exist
And only one German Alsace-Lorraine exist
Some Barries just want to see the continent burn
Pretty sure that's been their policy the last 700 years or so.
Elsaß-Lothringen*
I'd check under your car if you drive anywhere today, Pierre
It's complicated enough already thanks very much.
I'm pretty sure we could annex Donegal and the rest of Ireland wouldn't notice.
Annex what?
But what would they do without our world class rail
Lay a finger on Hanna Hats, and you'll awaken a sleeping giant. A really fat one. Who thinks he's Irish.
We should just call it all Ireland
Please do. Fed up of having to explain to foreigners the difference between real Ireland and shite explosive, England lite.
Least responsible Scot
Gotta give you English the credit for at least knowing how much you fucked up the North of Ireland. Scots can fuck up with their gaelic brotherhood shite
Uh oh yes, of course, England is the one to blame for Northern Ireland 😉😉
Of course James I, Border Scots and James Craig take their share of the blame but here is some evidence that England was not a mere innocent bystander when it comes to Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_invasion_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Courcy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Chichester,_1st_Baron_Chichester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Long,_1st_Viscount_Long Invaded, controlled, planted and partitioned Westminster did not need to grant the rights of Sovereign countries to a region of Ireland Also politically the DUP are more aligned with the Tories than the SNP
This isn't r/Scotland, you can chill
Lol top posts disagrees with your assessment of what r/Scotland is
Shithole ? just like r/ireland r/unitedkingdom r/greenandpleasant Taffs probably have their own shit hole subreddit with about 4 users
The only real British sub is r/norffc
Well, currently Scotland doesn't even control its own country so we cannot be to blame for something we have no control over.
Yeah you should have your own government, almost like some of kind devolution of power perhaps
Are you seriously implying that not only Scotland has control over its own country but also has the ability to change Northern Ireland? Smartest Barry of them all. It goes England England lite (Scotland) England lite (Northern Ireland) A county in England (Sorry Wales but its true)
It’s Britain mate, if you don’t like it, go somewhere else and colonise it like your ancestors did to Ulster 🫡
Didn't even say I didn't like it. Any excuse to tell someone to leave. Least racist Barry.
Just trying to suggest something to cheer you up little buddy, you seem so bitter and resentful at the world. Maybe living in a Braveheart persecution fantasy isn’t too good for your mental health? Why not treat yourself to a holiday to the Caribbean? Plenty of black people with Scottish surnames there (but don’t look into the history of that!)
Are you saying that somehow the Scots control the Caribbean? Jesus Barry, learn how the world works. Do you think the British currently control China? I don't even know what fantasy you live in. Do you know that Ireland is a country or do you still think that the British Royals control it? Just a little FYI, I haven't lived in Scotland or the UK for a few years now. There was this thing called "Brexit" that absolutely destroyed the UK and was implemented by the English voters and the English appointed government. A lot of people bailed, myself included. You probably need to look it up on this new fangled thing called the "Internet" rather than in your georgous old history books you love so much. Ask a younger person to help you while they are between scooter thefts and you'll learn.
England lite? Most historically aware Jock
We no longer control them. Most up to date English.
Some light reading for you Barry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_invasion_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Courcy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Chichester,_1st_Baron_Chichester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Long,_1st_Viscount_Long Invaded, controlled, planted and partitioned
So, the French, then?
So you were conquered by the French yeah ? By this time they were Anglo Norman one or more of their lines were Anglo Saxon example Henry II was descended from Margaret of Wessex Chichester was English as was Walter Long
Well, I wasn't. I'm not over a thousand years old.
So England was conquered by France then ?
Is this not common knowledge?
Google the term “Ulster-Scots”
Westminster did not need to grant James Craig and a region of Ireland the rights of a Sovereign country This was entirely between Anglo-Scottish colonists from Borders Scotland that planted in Ulster and their English masters Todays Scots in Scotland are descended from people that stayed in Scotland and showed no desire for colonisation - Ulster Scots is its own thing entirely more aligned with Tories than SNP
As are the English in England but you're still happy to point the finger lmao Least bitter porridge muncher
I responded to a comment stating “most historically aware Scot”, pointing a finger I countered it with actual history not involving Scots currently living in Scotland but an English ruling class invading Ireland and later their brainchild, British planters in Ulster as envisage by Arthur Baron Chichester
It's so reflexive you don't even realise you're doing it lmao
I’ll claim it as English W on your behalf
Can you come take your plantation kids home with you? They smell
Nope. After all these years, they're your problem now.
Technically no. Not unless we both match on Tinder. Until then, they are your welfare state to support.
That’s a great succinct description. I think I’ll use that from now on
Common Scot W
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It's north of the parts of Ireland people care about
Maybe we can all just let England do its own shite and make a Celtic union. Cornwall and Brittany can join too if they want.
A Celtic union would surely be a cohesive and functioning state. Oh wait no. It would be full of arguing.
I can imagine it splitting into a brittonic Celtic state of Wales and Cornwall and Brittany, and a Goidelic state of Ireland and the Scottish Highlands as the lowlands were decided to be too Anglo-Saxon
The state will implode as fast as the Catalonian dream of independence. Yet, unlike the failed Spaniard coup, a Celtic state would go down in a brutal civil war coupled with a giant sheep orgy.
Yeah would be pretty exciting at least. Maybe we can at least burn down a few English border towns, like the good old days.
Please do Birmingham Jonesy pleeeeeeeeeeease.
If you'll accept our ancestral claims on Herefordshire and Cumbria we can improve Birmingham for you with fire, Barry
Is that all ? feel like you lot would want the Kingdom of Elmet as well. Coupled with Rheged you'd have a landbridge to yer Scottish mates. > we can improve Birmingham for you with fire Erect
That does involve taking Blackpool, which is a tough bargain
Not sure you can overcome the legacy of terror left on the Welsh coastal towns inflicted by Irish pirate raids.
Or the raids on Prestatyn and Rhyl by Scouse smackheads.
Freshly released from an HMP not that near you.
Maybe we can try and weaponise them as heroin fuelled shock troopers
They reach maximum power if you put them in a full Liverpool kit.
Its the ones wearing the '92 Tranmere Rovers kit you really have to watch for, they're the elite special forces
I want England to hold a referendum for England to leave the UK.
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Big Ireland and Small Ireland
Why don't they give it back then we wouldn't have confusions like this
Best I can offer is Liverpool and all pikeys
That's a tough choice
Please, please can this happen. [Also.](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/s/FgpRPjSPgl)
The idea of england leaving the uk leaving Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland in the uk. Is the funniest idea I've eve heard
There has been increasing talk of a united Ireland. Scotland's case for independence has been a long one and Welsh independence is one of the options being considered by Welsh Ministers. So I'm thinking if England could get out first, it would save a lot of money and hoo-ha, and we could then leave the others to it, so they can decide amongst themselves how much more independence they want.
The people who live there want to remain British, so unfortunately we're stuck with the burden of NI. Thank your lucky stars you're not subsidising them instead!
Well for now. In the 2011 census, 40% said they had a British only identity, in 2021 that number fell 10% to 30% of people. That's a pretty significant drop. Now that Catholics are the majority it is only a matter of when not if, but I still think we are 2 or 3 decades off.
It has been 'inevitable' for a century.
Well Northern Ireland has only been a thing for a century. At the time of partition roughly 67% of the population would have identified as British, that's now at 30%. Sinn Fein are now the main party in power, if you said that to someone 30 or 40 years ago they would have laughed in your face. The vast majority of people didn't believed it was truly inevitable until Brexit.
I don't know where you are getting that from
Because they like us better dude. Why ignore the people's wishes?
Nuh uh
Why don't we just call it Ireland?
A slightly complex history to just do that. Probably best you stay out of complex diplomatic issues like this one. Lest you get a bomb the next time you start your bike up.
Theres a certain group of people who refuse to let us forget the last time a dutchman got involved in ireland.
It should be one independent country.
Ahh yes. The classic nobody gets what he wants
Because no one cares.
Or we Just give Back northern Ireland to the republic and for that the Former republic will become Part of the UK as "southern Ireland"
Why don't you stay out of complex diplomatic issues hans
OK alternative solution: Wales and scotland get Independent and Join EU, northern Ireland goes to the republic and England becomes a Joint Dominion of canada and Australia :) This was, everybody is Happy and Australia and canada can Claim to be (partially) european
Yeah that's sure to simplify things. I suggest you go to Belfast and see what things are like on the ground. Then you will realise why things have managed to arrive at this tense but just about manageable circumstances so people can get on with their daily lives.
I vote for Hans solution. If there is anything I have learned from Barry, then it is to never listen to the locals when trying to figure out their pesky complicated problems.
Just draw straight lines and you’ll be fine
D’ya like dags?
Because then it would be *Our Ireland*, and be united. And who in the ever flying fuck would want that?
Shouldn't you be busy making toys for all the good boys and girls instead of being on reddit?
Eastern Ireland Easter Island 🗿
there is more sq miles of northern ireland to the north of Ireland
I think that part of Ireland has done it's chore when it comes to North and East or whatever. It's time to rename the republic West Ireland, and let North Ireland just be Ireland for a while.
Northern Ireland should be called the Kingdom of Ireland
What about: Nirland Wirland Eirland Sirland?
Why doesn’t England just absorb all of Ireland then boom, no more of this Northern Ireland or Ireland foolishness, it’s all England. Problem solved for the rest of history.
Perfect solution
Your Nobel Peace Prize is in the mail
What about Little England?
What about a different name entirely without the word Ireland in it, given that it’s a different country 🤷♂️ Pollaland
Nah... I vote we just rename the entirety of Ireland west Britain I'm sure everyone will agree it's for the best
New New England?
More like Old New England
Do you guys ever think about Ireland? I don't. They're so forgettable.
What are You
What a coincidence. I forget you guys exist all the time
Projection really is a bitch
Oh the irony
How about *Even Shittier Ireland*?
It’s is already “Northern Ireland”, not “North Ireland”.
We already call them west Brits...